Stock Markets are heading for that crash we are watching for, watch for the real crash within six months!!!

[kirtland r.m.]

I will post more on this in coming days, but this is just for startershttp://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/ ... id=U142DHP

[littlemikey]

Oh, gosh! For a second there I thought it was 2015....hahaha!

[thisisspartaaa]

I will post more on this in coming days, but this is just for startershttp://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/ ... id=U142DHP

Oh here we go again...seat belts please.

BTW, the DOW is positive for the year again as of today. Just incase you were wondering. I seem to recall all the paranoia rampant on this forum back in August of last year.

[Sweetwater14]

Alarmist declarations such as this one are nothing but conjecture. No offense intended, but the poster does not KNOW that the "real crash" (undefined, BTW) will happen within six months. Not infrequently, such declarations are linked to appeals to buy gold (but I'm not saying that's the case here).

Take these "sky is falling" pronouncements for what they are--someone's opinion.

[kirtland r.m.]

Oh, gosh! For a second there I thought it was 2015....hahaha!

Hi littlemikey, check back in six months. You will be surprised how accurate this post will be. Here is twenty years of investing I have done condensed into one paragraph.Take out all of the prophesy, and you still get a market that is the second longest market without a recession in U.S. history. A market with declining earnings, with way overpriced stocks(that always happens at the end of a bull market) Yea, a fake one as well, as our economy has not recovered as in bull markets in the past! Stock index charts are flattening out like a roller coaster at the top of a big incline. All of these things and more are a recipe for disaster. Six months or less from now. Mark my words.

[kirtland r.m.]

Alarmist declarations such as this one are nothing but conjecture. No offense intended, but the poster does not KNOW that the "real crash" (undefined, BTW) will happen within six months. Not infrequently, such declarations are linked to appeals to buy gold (but I'm not saying that's the case here).

Take these "sky is falling" pronouncements for what they are--someone's opinion.

Sweetwater14 is right, such statements are often used to sell gold and silver. The post above this one where I detail why market is about to collapse is accurate though. You will see.

[littlemikey]

I do like that you don't back down from anything!

[gkearney]

Perhaps he's trying to short sell the market.

[kirtland r.m.]

Perhaps he's trying to short sell the market.

You are very perceptive, but unlike trying to take a position and then trying to influence others, so I can make more money, I am putting my money where my mouth is, and sharing what knowledge I have to help others. I am shorting the S&p 500.That crash is coming. I really don't think that we will recover this time, and for a variety of reasons.

[GrandMasterB]

Oh, gosh! For a second there I thought it was 2015....hahaha!

Hi littlemikey, check back in six months. You will be surprised how accurate this post will be. Here is twenty years of investing I have done condensed into one paragraph.Take out all of the prophesy, and you still get a market that is the second longest market without a recession in U.S. history. A market with declining earnings, with way overpriced stocks(that always happens at the end of a bull market) Yea, a fake one as well, as our economy has not recovered as in bull markets in the past! Stock index charts are flattening out like a roller coaster at the top of a big incline. All of these things and more are a recipe for disaster. Six months or less from now. Mark my words.

This is true. It is obvious where the stock market is headed. This stock market has been propped up by the fed quantative easing and zero interest rates. It will not last and when it crashes it will be worse than in 2008. I am not saying this is going to kick off other end time events but the fact is the markets are on life support.

[I'LLMAKEYAFAMOUS]

Oh, gosh! For a second there I thought it was 2015....hahaha!

Hi littlemikey, check back in six months. You will be surprised how accurate this post will be. Here is twenty years of investing I have done condensed into one paragraph.Take out all of the prophesy, and you still get a market that is the second longest market without a recession in U.S. history. A market with declining earnings, with way overpriced stocks(that always happens at the end of a bull market) Yea, a fake one as well, as our economy has not recovered as in bull markets in the past! Stock index charts are flattening out like a roller coaster at the top of a big incline. All of these things and more are a recipe for disaster. Six months or less from now. Mark my words.

This is true. It is obvious where the stock market is headed. This stock market has been propped up by the fed quantative easing and zero interest rates. It will not last and when it crashes it will be worse than in 2008. I am not saying this is going to kick off other end time events but the fact is the markets are on life support.

Ditto. Everyone knows this market is based on nothing. So why do people keep investing you may ask? Because fear and greed drive the markets, and it's still the best game in town. The market WILL crash. It WILL be far worse than 2008 since the Fed used up their dry powder on the last crisis. Any attempts to do the same would only incease the lack of confidence in the market.
Who knows when the crash will come, but it'll be swift and severe.

[Spaced_Out]

Number of investors on US markets has shrunk considerably. Almost half the money in stocks is companies borrowing and buying their own stocks to look better and get bigger bonuses.
It takes just a little pin prick and the lead balloon deflates and smashes the house of cards.
stock are up based on fake energy narrative as supply continues to outstrip consumption, the physicals have to catch up - and will do so very soon. @-)

[Onsdag]

Ah, more fear porn for the gullible and weak to consume. It seems kirtland. rm has become the resident purveyor and peddler of this filth of late.

I am rather uneducated in worldly economics and such, and I hope you'll forgive and correct a poor ignoramus on the subject, but isn't shorting the market banking on a failure? And if you're right, and there is a failure of the extent you seem to be predicting, then what makes you think you'll make bank and actually be able to collect? And if you are able to collect, making a handsome profit over other people's misery, failures, and losses, then where does that put you?

No thanks. I'll stick with what a Prophet of God has taught as the key to real success and wealth in the last days. A key which uplifts, creates, builds, ennobles, nourishes, and has the potential to bring forth an hundred fold, a thousand fold, and even more! The power and potential to even save and enrich human souls! What is this grand secret to true wealth in the latter days? Why it's none other than the same key to wealth found in the beginning (see Moses 2:11-12). Learning how to follow and apply this same pattern, shown to us by God Himself, will make us truly wealthy indeed - even, and especially, in spite of how the economies of the world do or don't do.

On a side note, I just planted some garlic today. :ymparty:

[gkearney]

Like predicting earthquakes, our favorite pastime here, or that the sun will rise in the morning, predicting a market crash is no prediction at all. Markets crash, that's what they do from time to time saying they are going to is just saying the obvious. I would point out that just as markets crash they also rise.

There could also be a bit of self interest here. Kirtland has already said here that he is short selling. Short sellers always benefit from market declines the bigger the better. So talking down the market this way is in his own best interests. In effect he is attempting to influence the market to move in the direction that will bring him a better return as a short seller.

[brianj]

I am rather uneducated in worldly economics and such, and I hope you'll forgive and correct a poor ignoramus on the subject, but isn't shorting the market banking on a failure? And if you're right, and there is a failure of the extent you seem to be predicting, then what makes you think you'll make bank and actually be able to collect? And if you are able to collect, making a handsome profit over other people's misery, failures, and losses, then where does that put you?

Correction: Shorting an investment is essentially betting the price of that investment will decline, not "banking on a failure." Shorting a stock is, to oversimplify, selling the stock today and delivering it tomorrow. If you sell today and the price goes up, you will lose when you buy shares to deliver to the buyer. However, if the price declines significantly, you make a profit off the difference between the purchase and sale price. And, since the stocks are sold at the beginning of the transaction, the money will have already been collected at that time.

No thanks. I'll stick with what a Prophet of God has taught as the key to real success and wealth in the last days. A key which uplifts, creates, builds, ennobles, nourishes, and has the potential to bring forth an hundred fold, a thousand fold, and even more! The power and potential to even save and enrich human souls! What is this grand secret to true wealth in the latter days? Why it's none other than the same key to wealth found in the beginning (see Moses 2:11-12). Learning how to follow and apply this same pattern, shown to us by God Himself, will make us truly wealthy indeed - even, and especially, in spite of how the economies of the world do or don't do.

Did you cite a different scripture than you intended to? I don't see what the third day of creation has to do with building wealth. I would have cited Matthew 6:33 or 3 Nephi 13:33.

On a side note, I just planted some garlic today. :ymparty:

That garlic will keep you safe from vampires, but building wealth?

[kirtland r.m.]

Like predicting earthquakes, our favorite pastime here, or that the sun will rise in the morning, predicting a market crash is no prediction at all. Markets crash, that's what they do from time to time saying they are going to is just saying the obvious. I would point out that just as markets crash they also rise.

There could also be a bit of self interest here. Kirtland has already said here that he is short selling. Short sellers always benefit from market declines the bigger the better. So talking down the market this way is in his own best interests. In effect he is attempting to influence the market to move in the direction that will bring him a better return as a short seller.

I am short selling because I know we are headed for a crash. Preserving our life savings may actually be pleasing to the Lord, as long as we are honest and true. That money belongs to the Lord anyway if we are a true disciple of his. I am telling you with no other motive than being a voice of warning, you will see the collapse, in less than six months. And when it comes, nobody will be calling me a fear monger. We can no longer outrun a 9.2 Trillion dollar national debt in the U.S. along with other contributing converging problems.

[gkearney]

Your short contracts must option in six months.

[Mark]

Like predicting earthquakes, our favorite pastime here, or that the sun will rise in the morning, predicting a market crash is no prediction at all. Markets crash, that's what they do from time to time saying they are going to is just saying the obvious. I would point out that just as markets crash they also rise.

There could also be a bit of self interest here. Kirtland has already said here that he is short selling. Short sellers always benefit from market declines the bigger the better. So talking down the market this way is in his own best interests. In effect he is attempting to influence the market to move in the direction that will bring him a better return as a short seller.

I am short selling because I know we are headed for a crash. Preserving our life savings may actually be pleasing to the Lord, as long as we are honest and true. That money belongs to the Lord anyway if we are a true disciple of his. I am telling you with no other motive than being a voice of warning, you will see the collapse, in less than six months. And when it comes, nobody will be calling me a fear monger. We can no longer outrun a 9.2 Trillion dollar national debt in the U.S. along with other contributing converging problems.

Trying to outguess the gadiantons and the market manipulators at their own game is a fools errand at best. You will be chasing your tail in no time. It's their economy. They will do as they please in their own time table. You are powerless in that game.

[thisisspartaaa]

Good luck shorting the market. I would encourage people to listen to ITR Economics. Here's their latest book:

https://www.amazon.com/Prosperity-Age-D ... e-redirect

Based on factual data 2016 will be decent, 2017 better and 2018 a mild recession - based on trending the data...something doomers and gloomers should probably look at.

[Silver]

Like predicting earthquakes, our favorite pastime here, or that the sun will rise in the morning, predicting a market crash is no prediction at all. Markets crash, that's what they do from time to time saying they are going to is just saying the obvious. I would point out that just as markets crash they also rise.

There could also be a bit of self interest here. Kirtland has already said here that he is short selling. Short sellers always benefit from market declines the bigger the better. So talking down the market this way is in his own best interests. In effect he is attempting to influence the market to move in the direction that will bring him a better return as a short seller.

I am short selling because I know we are headed for a crash. Preserving our life savings may actually be pleasing to the Lord, as long as we are honest and true. That money belongs to the Lord anyway if we are a true disciple of his. I am telling you with no other motive than being a voice of warning, you will see the collapse, in less than six months. And when it comes, nobody will be calling me a fear monger. We can no longer outrun a 9.2 Trillion dollar national debt in the U.S. along with other contributing converging problems.

kirtland,
Take a deep breath. Relax. You may not realize it, but it is your stock value that is crashing with every post you make here.

I know we are heading for a crash as well. As gkearney points out, everyone can know the same thing because all markets crash from time to time. Said another way, nothing goes up forever. However, adding not one but three exclamation marks to the end of your thread name doesn't make us look up from our bowl of grog with any measure of concern. You've become the LDSFF equivalent of the banner ads on the Internet that promise to give us "one weird trick" to do something most of us just do naturally without the need for any tricks.

So I want to offer you some help. I work in private equity. Contact me via PM and I will give you some coaching. In the meantime, please relax. Prepare your financial reserve the way the Church recommends: https://www.lds.org/topics/family-finances?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That will be enough. I promise.

Now, let's talk about your short selling. Who earns a commission when you do that?

By the way, you forgot the 1...it is $19T in national debt, not counting a couple hundred trillion in unfunded liabilities.

Sincerely,

[brianj]

Good luck shorting the market. I would encourage people to listen to ITR Economics. Here's their latest book:

https://www.amazon.com/Prosperity-Age-D ... e-redirect

Based on factual data 2016 will be decent, 2017 better and 2018 a mild recession - based on trending the data...something doomers and gloomers should probably look at.

I wouldn't rely heavily on the people at ITR. I can easily find well respected economists who are predicting far worse in the near term. And, of course, it all comes down to guesses. Just like weather forecasting, stock forecasters look at what happened in the past and what is happening now to predict what will happen tomorrow. Since there is a lot less data for market forecasts, and the actual results depend on circumstances nobody can accurately predict, those forecasts are far less reliable than weather forecasts.

[Thomas]

I think we should understand that there is a huge pool of money that floats around the world. It is traded or invested. Money flows from one asset or commodity to another based on the perceived chance of reward and risk.

For those who are screaming about a stock market crash, please tell me where that pool of money will go? What will be the safer investment? Will it be US treasuries, with the unpayable debt it has in addition to yours? Will it be European govt. debt, with them in even worse shape? Where will the smart person put there money, when they sell their stocks?

Will they stuff it under their mattress? Remember a lot of this is institutional money.

My opinion is that the market may take a hit but within a year or two will sky rocket. As American business is seen as the safest place in the world to invest your money. If not, then where? Please give me the rest of the story. Tell me where the money will go.

[Sunain]

There is no doubt there is market manipulation that is completely out of any of our control. The Lord asks us to do our best in all things. I don't think reading multiple sources and market models is a bad thing nor is trying to share that information with others. Globalization is not the utopia of commerce that we were taught about in school and all these news reports recently are showing that it's backfiring. I think we all have the feeling that it's not a matter of if but of when. Like all things in the last days, trying to predict when something will happen generally ends up with inaccurate results.

When the market does collapse, it won't really matter now will it? We'll all be concerned about other things other than how much interest we are making or the next stock trade.

[kirtland r.m.]

I think we should understand that there is a huge pool of money that floats around the world. It is traded or invested. Money flows from one asset or commodity to another based on the perceived chance of reward and risk.

For those who are screaming about a stock market crash, please tell me where that pool of money will go? What will be the safer investment? Will it be US treasuries, with the unpayable debt it has in addition to yours? Will it be European govt. debt, with them in even worse shape? Where will the smart person put there money, when they sell their stocks?

Will they stuff it under their mattress? Remember a lot of this is institutional money.

My opinion is that the market may take a hit but within a year or two will sky rocket. As American business is seen as the safest place in the world to invest your money. If not, then where? Please give me the rest of the story. Tell me where the money will go.

I made a 27% increase in my invested accounts last year, when the market was about flat. A little better than the resource you quote silver(by far).You might want to hear what I have to say. I trade large blocks of contracts, I can trade $100,000 block for about eight dollars, since you asked. You would have some pretty good advice there if this was 1950, or 1960. It is not though. Private investors are pouring money out of the stock markets and into gold and silver. So are international banks. Many Americans are taking out money from I.R.A.'s and paying down debt, or stocking up on food, ect.. You also made this comment,"Will they stuff it under their mattress? Remember a lot of this is institutional money." Those who do not need to be 100% invested in market averages at all times will liquidate more and more holdings into cash and set on the sidelines. I could make this post several more pages long, but let's cut to the chase.
There are some problems with the dollar. The bric nations don't like using U.S. Dollar to trade oil. China seems to be preparing to push a gold backed currency to trade with other countries. Seems the U.S. Fed. and B.H.O. are trying to quietly work on the problem. U.S. stock market is now grossly over valued, as it has been at the end of six or seven year bull markets, even though we haven't really recovered like normal recoveries, look at stagnant wages in U.S., we are primed for a crash, as market always does, when we then enter into a recession, could get ugly. Russian Rubble value has been cut in half in the last eighteen months. They have that problem, plus much of their economy is based on selling oil outside of Russia, and world oil prices are very low. They have very high anti-American feelings right now. B.H.O. has helped levy sanctions on Russia because of the Ukraine. Many starting to buy gold and silver. Banks have been doing this for a while now. National Debt, combined with amount we pay in interest on that debt is strangling us.
We haven't recovered from recession of eight years ago, and we are about to go into another one. Stocks are starting to drop as earnings are slowing. When this finally is fully understood by most investors, sell off will accelerate. We will see that crash, and this time it will be much worse than 2007,2008. Money will soon after become worthless, then when people realize that you can't eat gold and silver, metals will become worthless, then you will see this prophesy fulfilled.
Charles D Evans, Patriarch, Dream of Last Days
A recent addition to the site is a dream from a volume at BYU Special Collections. This dream was included in The Contributor, Young Men's Mutual Improvement Association of the Latter-day Saints published in 1894 by The Deseret News Publishing Company...Factions now sprang up as if by magic; capital had entrenched itself against labor throughout the land; labor was organized against capital. The voice of the wise sought to tranquilize these two powerful factors in vain. Excited multitudes ran wildly about; strikes increased; lawlessness sought the place of regular government. At this juncture I saw a banner floating in air whereon was written the words Bankruptcy, Famine, Floods, Fire, Cyclones, Blood, Plague. Mad with rage men and women rushed upon each other. Blood flowed down the streets of cities like water. The demon of bloody hate had enthroned itself on the citadel of reason; the thirst for blood was intenser than that of the parched tongue for water. Thousands of bodies lay untombed in the streets. Men and women fell dead from the terror inspired from fear. Rest was but the precursor of the bloody work of the morrow. All around lay the mournfulness of a past in ruins. Monuments erected to perpetuate the names of the noble and brave were ruthlessly destroyed by combustibles. A voice now sounded aloud these words, �Yet once again I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word yet once again signifies the removing of things that are shaken, as of things that are made; that those things that cannot be shaken may remain." Strong words that are about to be fulfilled.

[Thomas]

Look into this guy here.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/mark ... confusion/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

History has many lessons to teach us. I think things will collapse but the market will see a new high first, much higher than we have seen yet. Kinda like 1929 happened.