Julie Rowe says she's never been given a 'gag order' by the LDS church

[Onsdag]

New book to be released. "From Imminent to Maybe Some Time Soon."

If we are taking suggestions might I proffer: Fooled You!

Seems apropos considering her recent interposition into the world of Star Wars lore, and also the apparent naivety and gullibility of much of her target audience - who so desperately want something to be true that they accept it as such at first blush because it's titillating, inebriating, panders to their inner zeitgeist, appeals to their emotions, and ostensibly comes from a wholly good and venerable source, thus the verisimilitude is never called into question - even as their more discerning friends and companions in the background try to no avail to warn them of the duplicity and true dangers present before it's too late, only to have anagnorisis occur for the hapless victim as the doppelgänger finally reveals itself when they have fallen inexorably into their grasp, gleefully and exuberantly shouting the immortal words: "Fooled you!"

Just sayin'. :-$

[Silver]

New book to be released. "From Imminent to Maybe Some Time Soon."

If we are taking suggestions might I proffer: Fooled You!

Seems apropos considering her recent interposition into the world of Star Wars lore, and also the apparent naivety and gullibility of much of her target audience - who so desperately want something to be true that they accept it as such at first blush because it's titillating, inebriating, panders to their inner zeitgeist, appeals to their emotions, and ostensibly comes from a wholly good and venerable source, thus the verisimilitude is never called into question - even as their more discerning friends and companions in the background try to no avail to warn them of the duplicity and true dangers present before it's too late, only to have anagnorisis occur for the hapless victim as the doppelgänger finally reveals itself when they have fallen inexorably into their grasp, gleefully and exuberantly shouting the immortal words: "Fooled you!"

Just sayin'. :-$

I upvoted you because you're a regular inconsuperfiliosicatedhyposyllabolicsesquinapedalinisticator.

[iWriteStuff]

My guess is a new book on the horizon and/or testimonials to post on her website. She's got her Greater Relief Fund, which is built upon the premise of Julie's NDE, and it needs to bring in money or it's of no value.

Personally, I'm looking forward to reading the public tax filing for fiscal year 2016 for the Greater Relief Fund. Who gave what and where did it go?

You can hide from your followers, but the Feds know where to find you.

[DesertWonderer]

^^^PLEASE tell me you are going to go to the trouble of requesting it. THAT would make for interesting reading indeed.

[Onsdag]

My guess is a new book on the horizon and/or testimonials to post on her website. She's got her Greater Relief Fund, which is built upon the premise of Julie's NDE, and it needs to bring in money or it's of no value.

Personally, I'm looking forward to reading the public tax filing for fiscal year 2016 for the Greater Relief Fund. Who gave what and where did it go?

You can hide from your followers, but the Feds know where to find you.

Any word on that? And how would one go about finding/obtaining the public tax filings?

[Silver]

My guess is a new book on the horizon and/or testimonials to post on her website. She's got her Greater Relief Fund, which is built upon the premise of Julie's NDE, and it needs to bring in money or it's of no value.

Personally, I'm looking forward to reading the public tax filing for fiscal year 2016 for the Greater Relief Fund. Who gave what and where did it go?

You can hide from your followers, but the Feds know where to find you.

Any word on that? And how would one go about finding/obtaining the public tax filings?

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[Gage]

It amazes me at the people that a woman named Julie Rowe can deceive. The woman has had about as many last day dreams, NDE's, and conversations with God as my dog has.

[AI2.0]

It amazes me at the people that a woman named Julie Rowe can deceive. The woman has had about as many last day dreams, NDE's, and conversations with God as my dog has.

It does seem surprising what she's been able to accomplish with her 'NDE'. If you read her books, you will find similarities to other writers' stories. There are two explanations--They all saw the same events or she's borrowing from other people's books--even her stories about seeing Bible events are not unique to her--they were done in earlier NDE book by an LDS man. But, if they saw the same future calamities, there's no question that none of those events have ever happened. Many of the writers claim to have seen future events which are similar to what is found in the so called 'John Taylor' vision (it's actually anonymous) from abt. 1890; over a hundred years later, we're still waiting. So, I say, what makes them think that these things are 'imminent' when there's no reason to believe such?

Then we have the George Albert Smith 'vision' which I think has been completely debunked (at least as it is put forward by David Horne). And once again, it seems to borrow from other 'visions'.

What would be the motivation for making these things up?

I don't exactly why people would make these things up, but I do know that today, NDE books are a business. We also know that some have been proven to be false.

Julie Rowe may be sincere and telling the truth--as she's believes it, but there are reasons to be skeptical of her.

She was on AVOW (a forum where end time preppers hang out and share these dreams and visions) for years before writing her book. What became portions of an NDE and 'visions' in her book, were earlier shared as 'dreams' with those on AVOW. To me, that is the biggest hit to her credibility. Then, when you add that she said she'd never read NDE books (had been told not to) until after she wrote hers, but we know that she read Sarah Menet's and Roger Young's books back around 2006.

She sounds paranoid. When I've listened to her radio interviews, she's sounds like she thinks her life is in danger because of her message. To me, that's emotionally unhealthy, and she's admitted that she struggles with mental health issues.

Her 'mission' and her message have evolved over the years. If you read her first book, you will see that Energy healing was part of her 'mission'--she was very much influenced by it. Early on her message was one of fleeing the 'calamities' by traveling to tent cities, so that we can be safe. And that these calamities were going to happen soon.

It has now evolved into her charity relief fund, where she believes she's creating a way station for other people to flee from calamities. And I don't know, but I've not heard her talk about tent cities in the last year (when she's been interviewed). Her message now is this 'Wasatch wakeup'--a 10 earthquake she's predicted for the Wasatch front. That was not in her book. She mentioned earthquakes, but nothing as specific--and there is no question that she believed that earthquake was going to happen in the spring of 2016. There is even evidence that she gave a specific date and time, which didn't happen and after this, she abruptly left her forum, Pathway to Zion--which had been specifically created to be a safe space for her to talk to those who believed her predictions.

She made several predictions for the election season and then for the months of November and December. 2016. None of them came true. These predictions were made on the Brian Hyde radio program.

Why she's been successful, with all the problems surrounding her, I don't know. Maybe she's a charismatic. I've never seen her speak in person, but when she was doing it, she seemed to be gaining quite a following.

[Summerwind]

There is something to be said for those that DESIRE more information about these last days sorts of events, and many people are hungry for understanding but are seeking it from human beings that claim to know more rather than directly asking Father for more information and doing what is necessary to receive an answer themselves and directly. It's harder to work to be receptive to hearing and understanding the spirit and the holy ghost than to just listen to radio programs, speaking engagements, and read books put out by a person, especially where many have done so before.

I can't fault anyone for wanting to know more, for watching and waiting as we are told to do, but so many times people get caught up in these things rather than seeking direct answers. The Lord is no respecter of persons, therefore any one of us can ask to be shown things. This is how Nephi was shown his father's dream... he asked the Lord about it. I'm sure it was partly for confirmation, but also partly desiring deeper understanding. It see this as a model for studying what we can and then learning more beyond it. There is nothing inherently wrong with various people's experiences. I'm a close personal friend to one author of an NDE book... but her message and point was that she desired people to know how much the Lord loves them. Even though I know her well - I still seek my own understanding from the Lord.

I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever to make me believe that Julie Rowe has any additional and correct information than the scriptures do. Thus far there have indeed been predictions that simply didn't occur and whether that is the fault of the interpreter, or whether it's deception in some form - I can't say. I just prefer a more sure knowledge from a more sure source and if her message is correct, then it will be verifiable through the correct means.

[Valhallavagen]

I personally know Julie and I'm very concerned for her. I will tell you what I know.

1. Julie does struggle with mental health issues. She herself has stated this publicly.

2. I know two people (who I both personally know and have talked to) who have been contacted by church headquarters asking about Julie Rowe's activities. The church is concerned about what she has been doing; enough to make calls and look into what is going on.

I believe Julie probably had an experience when she was ill but she has since taken it way too far. I'm concerned for her, her family and those who follow her and donate money to her fund. We need to focus on what our leaders are telling us!

[Silver]

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[Gage]

From what I see Mrs Rowe came to this Board and scammed the fools of their money and then disappeared.

[Summerwind]

I personally know Julie and I'm very concerned for her. I will tell you what I know.

1. Julie does struggle with mental health issues. She herself has stated this publicly.

2. I know two people (who I both personally know and have talked to) who have been contacted by church headquarters asking about Julie Rowe's activities. The church is concerned about what she has been doing; enough to make calls and look into what is going on.

I believe Julie probably had an experience when she was ill but she has since taken it way too far. I'm concerned for her, her family and those who follow her and donate money to her fund. We need to focus on what our leaders are telling us!

1. Yes she has stated this publicly, and many people suffer from mental health issues. These are not something to be afraid of or ashamed of. That in an of itself is reason for compassion for her. I hope she's seeking the appropriate treatment for her situations. It's not an easy challenge as I am fully aware due to my own battles with depression.

2. Interesting that they were contacted for those reasons.

I think your assessment could be quite true. Things have gone pretty far down the path of leading people away from the church leadership (whether she meant to or not, that's the result) and into paths of looking to Julie more than the Lord for their guidance on the Last Days. I think following the Prophets' counsel regarding preparations is wise, but I also think seeking personal revelation for more specific instruction is also wise. Two spiritual gifts we should seek so we are not led astray by anyone would be the Gift of Discernment (truth from lies), and the Gift of Discerning Spirits (ability to tell the motivations of spirits that appear to us).

[AI2.0]

From what I see Mrs Rowe came to this Board and scammed the fools of their money and then disappeared.

I'd say that's not quite accurate. In all the posts I've seen over the years on the forum regarding Julie Rowe, I've never come across one where the person complained that they gave her money and she 'disappeared'. Of all the things she's criticized for, that's not one of them, at least not yet and hopefully it won't come to that.

I bought her first book but I don't feel I was 'scammed' and unlike some fools out there, I don't expect a refund if I later determine it may not have been a true account. I knew what I was buying and I accepted that there were no guarantees that it was true or that I was even going to enjoy the book. That's the risk most people realize they are taking when they choose to spend their money on something like a book.

If any on the forum gave her money for her relief fund, they seem to have left the forum--they've gone silent since her predictions have not come to pass and her public meltdown, but I doubt they would feel they were 'scammed' either. I suspect they are assuming any money given to her charity was used properly.

[lone-knight]

@AI2.0 - What public meltdown are you referring to? I don't know if y'all remember me, but I was on here a few months ago, discussing many of these NDE authors and prophecies. My wife struggles with mental illness and all of these things trip her out pretty badly. She declared to me just this last week that she believes in Julie Rowe. I guess I need to start drafting up that letter, that was recommended by posters here, to church headquarters. Mental illness is hard enough, without all of these last days panic attacks.

[EmmaLee]

lone-knight - Julie Rowe had her own forum (created by some of her 'friends') - Pathway to Zion - and after only a few months of her being on there - she went ballistic and started accusing her own moderators and closest friends there of betraying her, etc. and 'meltdown' really is an accurate word for it. It was so bad, they basically booted her from her own forum and deleted all her posts.

Then a few months ago, she sent out utterly bizarre texts and emails to people (I got one of them), that were basically gibberish and made no sense at all. She has these outbursts, then goes silent for months, then comes back on the public scene, rinse and repeat. I am astonished that her husband hasn't gotten her the help she needs - or maybe he's tried and she refuses - or maybe he likes the perks that come with her celebrity - hard to say.

At any rate, do what you can to dissuade your wife from following or believing in JR, and to just follow the guidelines the Church has given for preparedness - AND most importantly, get your own revelation (as a family) on any preparations you should be making. I strongly encourage you to write that letter, the sooner the better. My .02, and good luck.

[Z2100]

lone-knight - Julie Rowe had her own forum (created by some of her 'friends') - Pathway to Zion - and after only a few months of her being on there - she went ballistic and started accusing her own moderators and closest friends there of betraying her, etc. and 'meltdown' really is an accurate word for it. It was so bad, they basically booted her from her own forum and deleted all her posts.

Then a few months ago, she sent out utterly bizarre texts and emails to people (I got one of them), that were basically gibberish and made no sense at all. She has these outbursts, then goes silent for months, then comes back on the public scene, rinse and repeat. I am astonished that her husband hasn't gotten her the help she needs - or maybe he's tried and she refuses - or maybe he likes the perks that come with her celebrity - hard to say.

At any rate, do what you can to dissuade your wife from following or believing in JR, and to just follow the guidelines the Church has given for preparedness - AND most importantly, get your own revelation (as a family) on any preparations you should be making. I strongly encourage you to write that letter, the sooner the better. My .02, and good luck.

Yes! You get it!

[Valhallavagen]

Pretty close. I'm the one who came up with the idea to create a new forum because a vow was becoming too contentious. Julie never asked us to do it. But was a follower at that time but never enough to donate my money or even buy a tent becauseI wasn't prompted by the Spirit to do that. I don't PTZ was created as a safe place where people could share their experiences without fear of persecution. When Julie began manifesting serious symptoms of mental illness, we did delete some crazy posts and blocked her to protect her and her family. Her husband, who is a wonderful guy, was very supportive of this. Please pray for this dear sister who needs serious help.

lone-knight - Julie Rowe had her own forum (created by some of her 'friends') - Pathway to Zion - and after only a few months of her being on there - she went ballistic and started accusing her own moderators and closest friends there of betraying her, etc. and 'meltdown' really is an accurate word for it. It was so bad, they basically booted her from her own forum and deleted all her posts.

Then a few months ago, she sent out utterly bizarre texts and emails to people (I got one of them), that were basically gibberish and made no sense at all. She has these outbursts, then goes silent for months, then comes back on the public scene, rinse and repeat. I am astonished that her husband hasn't gotten her the help she needs - or maybe he's tried and she refuses - or maybe he likes the perks that come with her celebrity - hard to say.

At any rate, do what you can to dissuade your wife from following or believing in JR, and to just follow the guidelines the Church has given for preparedness - AND most importantly, get your own revelation (as a family) on any preparations you should be making. I strongly encourage you to write that letter, the sooner the better. My .02, and good luck.

[lone-knight]

lone-knight - Julie Rowe had her own forum (created by some of her 'friends') - Pathway to Zion - and after only a few months of her being on there - she went ballistic and started accusing her own moderators and closest friends there of betraying her, etc. and 'meltdown' really is an accurate word for it. It was so bad, they basically booted her from her own forum and deleted all her posts.

Then a few months ago, she sent out utterly bizarre texts and emails to people (I got one of them), that were basically gibberish and made no sense at all. She has these outbursts, then goes silent for months, then comes back on the public scene, rinse and repeat. I am astonished that her husband hasn't gotten her the help she needs - or maybe he's tried and she refuses - or maybe he likes the perks that come with her celebrity - hard to say.

At any rate, do what you can to dissuade your wife from following or believing in JR, and to just follow the guidelines the Church has given for preparedness - AND most importantly, get your own revelation (as a family) on any preparations you should be making. I strongly encourage you to write that letter, the sooner the better. My .02, and good luck.

Thank you EmmaLee! That gives me some additional context - which was exactly what I was looking for. Now I need to figure out the best way to write this letter.

[Silver]

lone-knight - Julie Rowe had her own forum (created by some of her 'friends') - Pathway to Zion - and after only a few months of her being on there - she went ballistic and started accusing her own moderators and closest friends there of betraying her, etc. and 'meltdown' really is an accurate word for it. It was so bad, they basically booted her from her own forum and deleted all her posts.

Then a few months ago, she sent out utterly bizarre texts and emails to people (I got one of them), that were basically gibberish and made no sense at all. She has these outbursts, then goes silent for months, then comes back on the public scene, rinse and repeat. I am astonished that her husband hasn't gotten her the help she needs - or maybe he's tried and she refuses - or maybe he likes the perks that come with her celebrity - hard to say.

At any rate, do what you can to dissuade your wife from following or believing in JR, and to just follow the guidelines the Church has given for preparedness - AND most importantly, get your own revelation (as a family) on any preparations you should be making. I strongly encourage you to write that letter, the sooner the better. My .02, and good luck.

Thank you EmmaLee! That gives me some additional context - which was exactly what I was looking for. Now I need to figure out the best way to write this letter.

Might I suggest you discuss the contents of the letter with your bishop? And also learn what resources the Church has in your area to treat mental illness.

[AI2.0]

@AI2.0 - What public meltdown are you referring to? I don't know if y'all remember me, but I was on here a few months ago, discussing many of these NDE authors and prophecies. My wife struggles with mental illness and all of these things trip her out pretty badly. She declared to me just this last week that she believes in Julie Rowe. I guess I need to start drafting up that letter, that was recommended by posters here, to church headquarters. Mental illness is hard enough, without all of these last days panic attacks.

We discussed the 'meltdown' she had in October on this thread;

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=43845&p=744027&hili ... og#p744027 but as Emmalee pointed out, there have been others, this one was very public and recent.

[lone-knight]

Might I suggest you discuss the contents of the letter with your bishop? And also learn what resources the Church has in your area to treat mental illness.

Good advice Silver. The trouble with the treatment of mental illness like this is that she thinks the problem is with everyone else. In order for her to get treatment/counseling, she has to come to some awareness that the issues might be with her perceptions. She has none of that and instead just tells me that I need 'to pull my head out' and that there are lots of people having these dreams - so they are true. In addition, she insists that we will all see, once the earthquake hits, because that is the beginning of all of the bad stuff.

All that to say that I have looked at treatment options, but all of them require her to allow for the possibility that things are not as she sees them. Rather, she becomes more entrenched because she insists that she is the only one spiritually in tune enough. She lets me know that she worries about our family because I am not getting the same revelations as her 'friends' on Facebook, that have had these dreams. More than a little frustrating.

Btw - for those that may be curious on the situation - I discussed it here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42811&start=120. It continues to be a ride that I wouldn't wish on anyone.

[Silver]

Might I suggest you discuss the contents of the letter with your bishop? And also learn what resources the Church has in your area to treat mental illness.

Good advice Silver. The trouble with the treatment of mental illness like this is that she thinks the problem is with everyone else. In order for her to get treatment/counseling, she has to come to some awareness that the issues might be with her perceptions. She has none of that and instead just tells me that I need 'to pull my head out' and that there are lots of people having these dreams - so they are true. In addition, she insists that we will all see, once the earthquake hits, because that is the beginning of all of the bad stuff.

All that to say that I have looked at treatment options, but all of them require her to allow for the possibility that things are not as she sees them. Rather, she becomes more entrenched because she insists that she is the only one spiritually in tune enough. She lets me know that she worries about our family because I am not getting the same revelations as her 'friends' on Facebook, that have had these dreams. More than a little frustrating.

Btw - for those that may be curious on the situation - I discussed it here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42811&start=120. It continues to be a ride that I wouldn't wish on anyone.

Hang in there, friend. Love unfeigned and the Atonement will get you through.

[Gage]

She has none of that and instead just tells me that I need 'to pull my head out' and that there are lots of people having these dreams

No these people claim to have dreams because they realize there are lots of people like your wife.

[Onsdag]

She has none of that and instead just tells me that I need 'to pull my head out' and that there are lots of people having these dreams - so they are true.

Lots of people have dreams of flying.
Lots of people have dreams of losing their teeth.
Lots of people have dreams of appearing naked in public.
Lots of people have dreams of going bald.
Lots of people have dreams of taking over the world.
Lots of people have dreams of [fill in the blank].

We could go around and compile all the dreams people have of [whatever], as AVOW has done, and it would fill volumes. If we were to use all these dreams to predict the future (hey, everyone is having these dreams, and many of them are so very real and vivid, so it MUST mean something!) than it would be rather silly. I can just see it now - selling books about a future world inhabited by naked flying geriatrics who rule the world. =))

Just because lots of people have dreams that are very similar doesn't mean that these things will happen in our collective future. It just means lots of people are having these dreams. And, unfortunately, there are some who are preying on the weaknesses of others and capitalizing on this.