BREAKING: UNIDENTIFIED RUSSIAN AIR FORCE JET OVER CALIFORNIA - THEN DISAPPEARS FROM RADAR

[brianj]

"Did not" does not equal " could not." That mistake is the source of your problem.

If no hijackers had ever used the planes as manned missiles, why assume any hijacked plane was a threat and shoot it down?

After the first crash people thought it was an accident. After the second crash the government started reacting, closing airspace.

The fourth jet was intercepted and would have been shot down prior to reaching DC, but the passengers heroically took matters into their own hands.

Regarding four planes turning off their transponders, there is not one air traffic controller for the entire country. There are hundreds of controllers, each controlling only their assigned sector and only communicating with pilots, adjacent controllers, and their supervisors. Transponders go down all the time so losing one is not an issue. Lost communication is an issue, but the assumption is that the pilot will safety navigate to an airport.

Comparing these flights to Payne Stewart's flight is a joke. First, the military did not shoot Steward down. Second, the last communication from his Learjet was at 13:27Z and the first interception was at 14:54Z - one hour and 27 minutes later!

[Thomas]

"Did not" does not equal " could not." That mistake is the source of your problem.

If no hijackers had ever used the planes as manned missiles, why assume any hijacked plane was a threat and shoot it down?

After the first crash people thought it was an accident. After the second crash the government started reacting, closing airspace.

The fourth jet was intercepted and would have been shot down prior to reaching DC, but the passengers heroically took matters into their own hands.

Regarding four planes turning off their transponders, there is not one air traffic controller for the entire country. There are hundreds of controllers, each controlling only their assigned sector and only communicating with pilots, adjacent controllers, and their supervisors. Transponders go down all the time so losing one is not an issue. Lost communication is an issue, but the assumption is that the pilot will safety navigate to an airport.

Comparing these flights to Payne Stewart's flight is a joke. First, the military did not shoot Steward down. Second, the last communication from his Learjet was at 13:27Z and the first interception was at 14:54Z - one hour and 27 minutes later!

The reason fighter jets did not go after 911 planes is because they were ordered to stand down. I can buy a few mistakes and inconsistencies but 911 is just too much. Fire has never brought down a steel framed skyscraper, even when burned to a skeleton. Numerous explosions were heard right before the collapses. Building 7 collapsed even though it wasn't hit by a plane and slow motion footage shows a series of detonations right as the building fell at free fall speed ( not possible without supporting floors being blown out). And on and on it goes with that story.

Obviously the military did not shoot down Stewart's plane. Never said that if read all the words I posted, I said it ran out of fuel and crashed. The pilot of the fighter could see, no one was controlling the plane so it was not a threat. They still followed the plane until it crashed and would have shot it down if it posed a threat. Since it was traveling over a lightly populated area they let it go down on it's own. It crashed into a cornfield. So why did the military scramble jets for Stewart's plane and not 911 planes? No planes had hit any building. That is the excuse you use for 911. Some of those planes were in the air for a long time.

So back to the OP. If it takes an hour and half to intercept a plane. How much damage can one do in that time if it is a Russian bomber. Really doesn't matter anyway because the Russian have ballistic missiles

[dauser]

If the Russians are looking for ISIS (Israeli Secret Intelligence Service), they will fill find a lot of them in unidentified jets spraying neuro-toxins over our populations 24/7, and in Hollywood spraying our TV watching population with mind numbing dribble, and at Homeland Security protecting us.

[shadow]

A lot of inconsistencies with 9/11 but as far a Stewart's plane, it took the military well over an hour to get a fighter jet to assess the situation. Comparing the two only makes the governments actions on 9/11 appear like business as usual.

[Thomas]

So unidentified planes can ramble all over the place without much problem.

[JohnnyL]

A lot of inconsistencies with 9/11 but as far a Stewart's plane, it took the military well over an hour to get a fighter jet to assess the situation. Comparing the two only makes the governments actions on 9/11 appear like business as usual.

Tell that to the airmen and see what they say. ;)
I've lived much of my life by bases flying planes, and people who fly and/or support the planes. It's much more Top Gun than 9/11.

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Disappearing from radar would mean: too low (hard for a civilian plane); blown up; taken out!

[shadow]

A lot of inconsistencies with 9/11 but as far a Stewart's plane, it took the military well over an hour to get a fighter jet to assess the situation. Comparing the two only makes the governments actions on 9/11 appear like business as usual.

Tell that to the airmen and see what they say. ;)
I've lived much of my life by bases flying planes, and people who fly and/or support the planes. It's much more Top Gun than 9/11.

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Disappearing from radar would mean: too low (hard for a civilian plane); blown up; taken out!

Tell what to the airmen? I'm not following you.
I'm not saying they were slow getting there because they're lazy or ineffective, I'm saying after all the reports, phone calls etc etc. it took about an hour and a half to visually assess the situation.
When you say more Top Gun, are you suggesting Maverick or Goose (can't remember which one) flew inverted and gave Stewart's pilot the "bird"? :ymcowboy:

[Kachonka]

The Aircraft is Air Force One with precious cargo inside,,,the president of the USA-sillies! Of course their is no call sign as the military directs it's traffic and an Aircontroller spaced it off and didn't clear it when authorized. This is the modified DOOMSDAY AF-1 Boeing VC-25[military version of the B 747 Air Force One] Tail Number 40787. Everytime it flies their is no call sign for Air Traffic Control. Security measures.
It is basically a 747 with MIL=SPEC up grades with an air scoop on top for forced air cooling to all the electronic equipment inside. [youtube]https://www.dvidshub.net/video/embed/507905 [/youtube]

[Kachonka]

This is Air Force one. Boeing VC-25[military version of the B747] Tail Number 40787
It does not have a civilian call sign and only shows up on civil ATC when in heavy air traffic once in safe controlled and protected airspace. That's why it popped up out of nowhere. The scoop on the distorts it looking like a 747 from distance. It is the only one of the 3 Air Forec Ones with a scoop and usually travels only in high risk with high priority dignitaries including the President. Declassified on the outside only.