Where did the October Utah Earthquake idea come from?
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This thread sounds like the part in the Book of Mormon when they doubted Samuel's prophecies... until they came true. Seems patience is truly a virtue.
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It doesn't sound anything at all like Samuel. Samuel got his prophecy correct. These people missed the mark. They weren't even close. Kinda like Jonathan Cahn. That's the thing with prophecies that include timelines- once the timeline passes without the prophesied event happening, the prophecy is false. It's actually quite easy to understand and grasp, unless pride gets in the way. Lot's of false prophets around. The key is having discernment to see them for what they are. Patience has nothing to do with it.Kitkat wrote:This thread sounds like the part in the Book of Mormon when they doubted Samuel's prophecies... until they came true. Seems patience is truly a virtue.
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It's not a problem that you're LATE comer, the problem enters if you "Come" to these discussions at all.JJJJ130 wrote:I am familiar with the first author mentioned, but who is this one? I'm a late-comer to these things.
There are three groups of people prophesying to the world at large today:
1) God's ordained prophet. At the moment, that is Thomas S. Monson and the other members of the First Presidency and Quorum of The Twelve.
2) Evil doers, serving the god of this world spreading lies from the father of lies to deceive and distract people.
3) People who weren't hugged enough as a child, so they look for anything they can to fill the emptiness in their souls. Many claim "Dreams" sent to them, some claim they died and were sent back with a "message" for people, some just babble because they like the sound of their own voice and/or get a thrill out of being worshipped and adored.
The solution is simple: Seek for your own signs in prayer, scripture study, and family councils. Attend church meetings to partake of the Sacrament and try to gain what you can from the lessons and talks, fulfill callings as best you can to serve your fellow saints. Share the gospel with those you can, and place faith in God and His organization, not a glory hound or evil-doer.
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As long as you are perpetually waiting for the imminentshadow wrote:It doesn't sound anything at all like Samuel. Samuel got his prophecy correct. These people missed the mark. They weren't even close. Kinda like Jonathan Cahn. That's the thing with prophecies that include timelines- once the timeline passes without the prophesied event happening, the prophecy is false. It's actually quite easy to understand and grasp, unless pride gets in the way. Lot's of false prophets around. The key is having discernment to see them for what they are. Patience has nothing to do with it.Kitkat wrote:This thread sounds like the part in the Book of Mormon when they doubted Samuel's prophecies... until they came true. Seems patience is truly a virtue.
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I partially agree with you, partially disagree. Samuel gave a very specific prophecy: exactly five years after he testified either the sign would have been seen or his prophecy would be false.Kitkat wrote:This thread sounds like the part in the Book of Mormon when they doubted Samuel's prophecies... until they came true. Seems patience is truly a virtue.
A few church members claim to have had visions of an autumn earthquake followed by a gathering a few months later and a much bigger earthquake shortly after the gathering happens. If this was all that we had, some people here would gleefully make posts every January calling anybody who expressed a belief in those visions or posted the accounts fools who are listening to Satan. And if this was all we had I would dismiss those naysayers. In the case of Visions of Glory this is all we have, though I don't recall a claim that the first quake happened in the fall.
Unfortunately at least some people went farther than that by making specific statements. Apparently Sosa said that the earthquake would happen last fall. Rowe said that we would see EBT and debit transaction outages on Black Friday, that Trump would be shot, and that Obama would not step down. I recall the first time I came across a reference to Obama (I believe it was from Rowe) I recall wondering if their vision of Obama was literal or if his appearance represented some future President. But that no longer matters: even if Trump or his successor refuses to step down and the next President elect is shot after an electronic transaction outage on Black Friday, the fact that Rowe and Sosa specifically mentioned Obama impeaches their claims. I tend to believe they really saw what they claim to see, and now I firmly believe that at least somethings they saw and described as literal (Obama, for example) were in fact figurative representations.
In time we will have a retrospective knowledge of if what they have said is what our current future holds. Until then I have no problem with the statement that their specific dates and claims regarding Obama and president elect Trump were inaccurate, but I can't confidently say their accounts are true or false at this time.
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The difference between Julie Rowe and Spencer and Sosa is Julie claims she is on God's errand in spreading these predictions, whereas the other two were just sharing their story and opinions after being coaxed by authors and publishers. God would not allow Julie to fail in her predictions if she were truly on His errand as she claims. And every specific prediction she has made so far has failed. So, what does that tell you?
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Calling them "wizards" is quite the stretch.
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Kitkat wrote:This thread sounds like the part in the Book of Mormon when they doubted Samuel's prophecies... until they came true. Seems patience is truly a virtue.
I missed the part where Samuel put specific time frames around when his prophesies would occur and then modified them when they didn't happen in those time frames.
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Spider wrote:The difference between Julie Rowe and Spencer and Sosa is Julie claims she is on God's errand in spreading these predictions, whereas the other two were just sharing their story and opinions after being coaxed by authors and publishers. God would not allow Julie to fail in her predictions if she were truly on His errand as she claims. And every specific prediction she has made so far has failed. So, what does that tell you?
Julie is a false prophet
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As is Sosa.Zion2080 wrote:Spider wrote:The difference between Julie Rowe and Spencer and Sosa is Julie claims she is on God's errand in spreading these predictions, whereas the other two were just sharing their story and opinions after being coaxed by authors and publishers. God would not allow Julie to fail in her predictions if she were truly on His errand as she claims. And every specific prediction she has made so far has failed. So, what does that tell you?
Julie is a false prophet
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The difference is that one is named Rowe, one is named Sosa, and one is named Spencer. Apart from that, there's little difference in the value of their messages, each has a slightly different proposal to lead you to the same place: Apostasy.Spider wrote:The difference between Julie Rowe and Spencer and Sosa is ...
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I had actually come up with my own theory about October, but only because I was unknowingly being coaxed into it. The whole community pretty much seems to latch onto any prediction and retell it as truth. I made the guess because I hate this life and want to die, and my own personal economy has been at 0 for over 2 years.
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Wow Hivetyrant36, I feel for you. I hope you can find some joy in this life. Life can be difficult for many of us. But if you make even the smallest effort to help someone else, you will and can feel JOY! Joy equals having and keeping an eternal perspective. Let God's eternal plan work for you. I send you my true heartfelt love.Hivetyrant36 wrote: ↑January 31st, 2017, 10:07 pm I had actually come up with my own theory about October, but only because I was unknowingly being coaxed into it. The whole community pretty much seems to latch onto any prediction and retell it as truth. I made the guess because I hate this life and want to die, and my own personal economy has been at 0 for over 2 years.