A vision of the last days purpoted to be by John Taylor

[francisco.colaco]

That's where I begin to become suspect.

Half of the Bible is comprised of people sharing their own experiences. That does not make me suspicious at all. For me to become suspicious there has to be one of three conditions:

• * Criticise the General Authorities (Denver Snuffer did, Nemelka did, Julie Rowe did not)
  
  * Deny the power of God (neither Denver Snuffer nor Julie Rowe did it, Nemelka did)
  
  * Be inconsistent with the revealed truth (all three fail miserabily this litmus test)

I do not care about the messenger, I do care about the message. John the Baptist was probably not the best of sights after long stays in the desert, and yet he was, according to Christ himself, the most important prophet up to that date. Some people did prophesy during the Apostacy. We accept those prophecies, I have mentioned one of them. Even the prophecy of a Quaker lady in Canada about the Cardston Temple was accepted by a mission president who received a letter from her. Sometimes the Spirit is *transiently* conferred to an individual, which will utter prophecy (in the sense of carrying a true message from the Lord), and "more not than often" some people will be inspired to publish some or all that they have received. These are *rare instances*, and you probably could count them all with your fingers and toes.

We are *NOT* obliged to take those prophecies at face value. In fact, they are *rare* and we have a fine collection of revealed truth by accepted authorities --- and George Albert Smith's prophecies which were redacted by faithful people.

The message of Julie Rowe is ridden with so many doctrinal flaws that it's divine provenance is discarded. 90% truth and 10% lie is still a lie. And a lie does not come from God.

[Sandinista]

All good points. Thanks.

[sushi_chef]

so, urrrr...., hopefully horseshoe prophecy is genuinely correct one....


"The Horseshoe Prophecy

Monday, 25 August 2008 09:13

A Remarkable Prophecy By President John Taylor As Told by Edward Lunt, An Ordinance Worker in the Mesa Temple

The following incident occurred at my father's home in Cedar City, at the time a stake conference was being held in that city, at which President John Taylor and George A. Smith were present.

Apostle Smith was asked to conduct the conference, as President Taylor wished to rest after his having held meetings in the different wards and stakes between Salt Lake City and Cedar City. President Taylor asked Elder George A. Smith to start the conference, as he wished to rest until the afternoon meeting. President Taylor, with some of the authorities, was staying at the home of my parents during this conference.

President Taylor wished to go to his room and lie down. He asked my mother to awaken him in time for the afternoon conference, as he feared he might oversleep and thus fail to arrive at the conference in time.
My mother was busy preparing dinner for the visitors but was surprised to see President Taylor come into the kitchen so soon after retiring for his much needed rest. He immediately started telling mother of a most remarkable vision that he had just had while in his room.

He stated that he saw that Salt Lake City would become a great city with many beautiful paved roads and streets of cement construction, and that the people had become wealthy. He saw that the city extended almost to the point of the mountain south of the new 1951 State prison.

The people, he saw, had become quite indifferent to the counsel and advice of the authorities of the church, and were more interested in the accumulation of wealth than they were in living their religion. He told mother that he saw that war had been started, and that so great was the destruction of life within the city that blood ran down the gutters as though it were streams of water, and the violence was such that it would cause the destruction of the beautiful city. The people were fighting among themselves until it became necessary to remove the church records across the Colorado river.

President Taylor said to mother, "If you are alive at that time, be sure that you are not behind the Church records, because after the Church records leave and are made secure, the very powers of hell would be turned loose, and there will be such destruction that there will be but little life remain, ---not only in Salt Lake City, but in adjoining cities also. And in Jackson County, Missouri civilization will become entirely extinct, and all means of transportation such as rail roads and highways will be destroyed, and the only means of travel will be on foot.

All means of manufacturing will also be entirely destroyed. Be sure when you see these things come that you have buttons, needles, cloth and things to work with as much as possible, to make yourselves clothing, because all tools and every kind of machinery will be destroyed. It will be such a destructive war that in comparison to the sufferings and the drivings of the people of Nauvoo, it would be only a drop in the bucket.

"One half of the Mormon people will entirely forsake their leaders, and half of the other half, because of their suffering, will leave the church. Many Mormons will die in the struggle, but the Lord will bless those who stick faithfully to the church and will bless them to the extent that they will not be destroyed."

He said that faithful Latter-day Saints would go to the south and would form a circle something like a horseshoe, before they return to Jackson County, Missouri. Said he, "Those only will be privileged to help build Jackson County who will be found willing and glad to obey the counsel and advice of the authorities who will be placed over them, and who will seek counsel that they may be guided and protected from dire want and distress.

President Taylor also said that we will assist the Lamanites in building the New Jerusalem in Jackson county. He said that the vision to him appeared so terrible that he besought the Lord to close it up, but he saw that those who would keep the commandments and adhere to the authorities of the church would be the ones who would survive and not be destroyed. And that the lord would protect them as he did the children of Israel.

The above experience my mother told to me many, many times; and she held this great experience very sacred.

Subscribed and sworn to this 28th day of June, 1951.

/s/Edward Lunt

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" "John the Revelator": The Written Revelations of John Taylor
In February 1879, the anti-Mormon Salt Lake Tribune nicknamed John Taylor “John the Revelator.”[1] Though meant to disparage President Taylor, this appellation echoed what many Latter-day Saints believed—that John Taylor, as the presiding Apostle of The Church of Jesus Christ, was the successor of the first two prophets, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and an inspired recipient of the word of God in his own right.

John Taylor believed in continuing revelation, a major principle of the restored gospel that he accepted when he joined the Church in Canada in 1836. Nearly forty years later he said, “We believe that it is necessary for man to be placed in communication with God, . . . not revelation in former times, but present and immediate revelation.”
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horseshoe prophecy taylor
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crossing Colorado river, does it mean going into hopi land??
perhaps hopis life style helps farewell to babylon??

sushi_ hopi
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:-B

[LdsMarco]

Here's a video

[AI2.0]

Here's a video

LDSmarco.

Did you even read the title and OP of this thread before you posted this video? I would not recommend anyone watching this video, the narrator clearly has spent no time researching this 'vision' because at 1:50 he says it's 'true'. 'True' how? It has never been proven to have been a vision from John Taylor, and in fact, all the evidence points to it NOT being a vision by John Taylor--he was the Prophet at the time the vision was circulated and he never claimed it was his. It was also denounced a number of times. This thread was to share with others to not fall for the claims made about this supposed vision given to John Taylor. It was not given to John Taylor, it was anonymous and when it was first circulated, people tried to attribute it to Joseph F. Smith (he denied it) and not until John Taylor was long dead did they try to claim it was HIS vision.

Just the fact that people have been trying to prop this 'vision' up and make claims to bolster it's authority, makes me distrust it.