A Change is Coming

[MR. T]

You missed the point entirely – in order to simply tell someone of the gospel of Jesus Christ or his second coming, you dont have to have priesthood keys, priesthood authority, even hold the priesthood (hello sister missionaries) you don't even need to be LDS!

I read your post fine. Please do not insinuate that I did not, I was merely making comments to clarify your post.

Anyone can talk about the last days or write about it. Only one with authority though (prophets both past and present) can prophesy about the events of the last days.

PLEASE show me your source where you state "Only one with authority...can prophesy about the events of the last days"? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PROPHESY FOR THE CHURCH - ONLY FOR THE EVENTS OF THE LAST DAYS.

Once again the scriptures disagree with your statement.

Acts 2:17 - And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

[AlbertaBronco]

He has a point. However only the prophet can direct and receive revelation for the church.

[butterfly]

For any who have read the book, what is the author's expectation on the whole tent city issue? Does he give any indication of when and/or how that begins?

[WarMonger]

Anyone who has a testimony of Jesus Christ has a spirit of prophecy. A patriarchal blessing is prophecy, yes it is not to set the whole church in order or establish God's laws.

Prophecy is also a gift of the HG which is given to both men and women. i.e. the woman who was prophesying in the temple in Jerusalem at the time of the Messiah. Her prophesying was for the benefit of the people talking of things to come - not directing the church!! None of the more main stream NDE LDS books - give any direction to the church or establish church doctrine and policies - and the authors do not in any way teach false doctrine or that we should disobey the current prophet.

[WarMonger]

Another false premises is that they are fear mongering. The books/vision (Spence, Rowe, Menet) that I have read have all had a wonderful uplifting spirit. The tribulations are simply the Lord is coming and a bit of preparation is needed, nothing to fear.

I fear the wickedness of the world, the flood of atheism, pornography, immorality music, dance, dress standards, greed and materialism of the world. To bring children up in this current world is almost impossible and it is very hard on them in all aspects if they cling to the gospel, as they are shunned and persecuted as such. We should be praying day and night for the wickedness of the world to be swept away, and the coming of the Son of Man.

The arguments only the prophet can prophecy, waiting for the temple in Jerusalem, gospel to all the world, fear mongering to show that NDE and visions of others have no value - simply holds no water.

[Robin Hood]

Picked this short book up off AVOW and read it in about an hour. Very, very closely aligned with Julie Rowe's predictions and quite unequivocally indicates a timeline of 2015-2016 for the beginning of the tribulations. Also indicates an earthquake is coming to the Wasatch front this Fall (not "The Big One," that comes later).

I'm sorry to hear you wasted an hour of your life.

[Jason]

Read "Cleansing of America" by Cleon Skousen.....that should give you pretty good insight into what's going to come about (first couple chapters) as well as how it will possibly end in terms of building Zion (most of the book). Cleon was renowned for doing his homework....as well as having a "modern" (as modern as you get with prophets) prophet speak most highly of him and his work (see funeral address)!

fyi - both John Taylor/Wilford Woodruff and Patriarch Charles D. Evans prophecies are used extensively!

I'll type out an excerpt from the book -

The prophets not only predicted that there would be a thorough cleansing of America, but they described how it would occur. The Lord's cleansing will include the destabilizing impact of earthquakes, tornadoes, famine, riots, and civil strife. But the primary destruction will come from a massive, cataclysmic plague. The Lord refers to it as an "overflowing" or "desolating scourge." The Bubonic Plague wiped out nearly half of Europe in a very short time, but the plague predicted for the cleansing of America sounds far worse.

Here is the way the Lord speaks of it:

"And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth amount them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fullness of my gospel; But they receive it not' for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men.

"And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass til they shall see an OVERFLOWING SCOURGE; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land."

This overflowing scourge is intended to cleanse and scour America of its wickedness. Therefore, the Lord said to the members of the restored Church in modern times:

...

"All the wicked shall mourn. For behold, and lo, vengeance cometh speedily upon the ungodly as the whirlwind; and who shall escape it?

"The Lord's SCOURGE shall pass over by night and by day, and the report thereof shall vex all people."

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Cleon then launches into the prophecy of it beginning upon MY HOUSE....then the vision of John Taylor -

I [] went to bed at my usual hour half past nine o'clock. I had been reading the Revelations in the French language. My mind was Calm, more so than usual if possible to be so. I Composed myself for sleep but Could not sleep. I felt a strange stupor Come over me and apparently became partially unconscious. Still I was not asleep, nor awake With stange far away dreamy feelings.

The first I recognized was that I was in the Tabernacle at Ogden sitting on the back seat in the Corner for fear they would Call upon me to Preach, which after singing the second time, they did, by Calling me to the Stand.

I arose to speak and said I did not Know that I had anything special to say Except to bear my Testimony to the Truth of the Latter Day work when all at once it seemed as though I was lifted out of myself, and I said "Yes, I have sumthing to say, it is this--some of my brethren present have been asking me what is Coming to pass, what is the wind blowing up. I will answer you right here what is Coming to pass shortly.

I was imediately in Salt lake City wandering about the streets in all parts of the City and On the door of every house I found a badge of mourning, and I Could not find a house but what was in mourning. I passed by my own house and saw the same sign there, and asked, 'Is that me that is dead?' Sumthing gave me answer, 'No, you [shall] live through it all.'

It seemed strange to me that I saw no person [on] the street in my wandering about through the City. They seemed to be in their houses with their Sick and Dead. I saw no funeral procession, or any thing of that kind, but the City looked very Still and quiet as though the people were praying and had Controll of the disease what ever it was.

I then look in all directions over the Territory, East west North and South, and I found the same mourning in every place throughout the Land. The next I knew I was Just this side of Omaha. It seemed as though I was above the Earth, looking down to it as I passed along on my way East and I saw the roads full of people, principally women, with just what they Could Carry in bundles on their backs traveling to the mountains on foot. And I wondered how they Could get there, with nothing but a small pack upon their backs. It was remarkable to me that there were so few men among them. It did not seem as though the Cars were running. The rails looked rusty, and the road abandoned, And I have no conception how I traveled myself.

As I looked down upon the people I Continued Eastward through Omaha and Council Bluffs which were full of disease, and women every whare. The States of Missouri and Illinois were in turmoil and Strife, Men killing each other, and women joining in the fight, family against family Cutting each other to pieces in the most horrid manner.

The next I was was Washington, and I found the City a desolation. The White House Empty, the Halls of Congress the same Everything in ruins. The people seemed to have fled from the City and left it to take Care of itself.

I was next in the City of Baltimore and in the square where the Monument of 1812 Stands, in front of St. Charles and other Hotels I saw the Dead piled up so high as to fill the square. I saw Mothers Cut the throats of their own Children for the sake of their blood, which they drank from their veins to quench their thirst and then lie down and die. The water of the Chesapeake and of the City were so stagnant and such a stench arose from them on account of the putrefaction of Dead bodies that the very smell Caused Death and that was singular again I saw no men except they were dead, lying in the streets, and vary few women, and they were Crazy mad, and in a dying Condition. Every whare I went I beheld the same all over the City, And it was horrible, beyond description to look at.

I thought this must be the End. But No I was seemingly in Philadelphia, and there every thing was Still. No living soul was to be seen to greet me, and it seemed as though the whole City was without an inhabitant. In arch and Chestnut Street and in fact Every whare I went the putrefaction of the Dead bodies Caused such a stench that it was impossible for any Creature to Exhist alive, nor did I see any living thing in the city.

I next found myself in Broad way New York and here it seemed the people had done their best to overcome the disease. But in wandering down Broadway I saw the bodies of Beautiful women lying stone dead, and others in a dying Condition on the side walk. I saw men Crawl out of the Cellars and rob the dead bodies of the valuables they had on and before they Could return to their coverts in the cellars they themselves would roll over a time or two and die in agony.

On some of the back street I saw Mothers kill their own Children and Eat raw flesh and then in a few minutes die themselves. Wharever I went I saw the same scenes of Horror and Desolation rapine and Death. No Horses or Carriages, No busses or Street Cars, but Death and Destruction every whare.

I then went to the Grand Central Park and looking back I saw a fire Start and just at that moment a mighty East wind sprang up and Carried the flames west over the City, and it burned untill there was not a single building left Standing whole Even down to the wharfs. And the shipping all seemd to be burned and swallowed up in the Common destruction and left Nothing but a Desolation whare the great City was a short time before. The Stench from the bodies that were burning was so great that it Carried a great distance across the Hudson River and bay, and thus spread disease and death wharever the flames penetrated. I Cannot paint in words the Horror that seemed to Encompass me around. It was beyond description or thought of man to Conceive.

I supposed this was the End but I was here given to understand, that the same horror was being enacted all over the Country, North South East and West, that few were left alive. Still there were some.

Immediately after I seemed to be standing on the west bank of the Missouri River opposite the City of Independence but I saw no City. I saw the whole States of Missouri & Illinois and part of Iowa were a Complete wilderness with no living human being in them. I then saw a short distance from the river Twelve men dressed in the robes of the Temple Standing in a square or nearly so. I understood it represented the Twelve gates of the New Jerusalem, and they were with hands uplifted Consecrating the ground and laying the Corner Stones. I saw myriads of Angels hovering over them and around about them and also an immens pillar of a Cloud over them and I heard the singing of the most beautif[ul] music the words 'Now is established the Kingdom of our God and His Christ, and He shall reign forever and Ever, and the Kingdom shall never the Thrown down for the Saints have overcome.' And I saw people Coming from the River and different places along way off to help build the Temple, and it seemed that the Hosts of the angels also helped to get the material to build the Temple. And I saw some Come who wore their Temple...robs to help build the Temple and the City and all the time I saw the great pillar of Cloud hovering over the place.

Instantly I found I was in the Tabernacle at Ogden yet I Could see the building going on and got quite animated in Calling to the people in the Tabernacle to listen to the beautiful music that the Angels were Making. I Called to them to look at the Angels as the House seemed to be full of them and they were saying the same words that I heard Before 'Now is the Kingdom of our God Esstablished forever & Ever.' And then a voice said 'Now shall Come to pass that which was spoken by Isaiah the Prophet 'that seven women shall take hold of one man, saying &c (Isaiah 4:1). ['And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by they name, to take away our reproach.']

At this time I seemed to Stagger back from the pulpit & F D Richards and some one els Caught me and prevented me from falling when I requested Brother Richards to apologize to the audience for me because I stoped so adruptly and tell them I had not feinted but was exhausted. I rolled over in my bed and heard the City Hall Clock Strike Twelve.

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John Taylor's vision -

I was in Baltimore. In the square where the Monument of 1812 stands in front of the Char­les Hotel. I saw dead piled up so as to fill the street square. I saw mothers cutting the throats of their own children for their blood. I saw them suck it from their throats to quench their own thirst and then lie down and die. The water of Che­sapeake Bay was stagnant, and the stench arising from it on ac­count of their throw­ing their bod­ies into it so terrible, that the very smell carried death with it. I saw no man ex­cept they were dead or dying in the streets and very few women. Those I saw were crazy and in an ugly condi­tion. Everywhere I went I beheld the same sights all over the city; it was terrible be­yond description to look upon.

I sup­posed this was the end; but it was not. I was given to understand the same horror was being en­acted all over the coun­try, east, west, north, and south. Few were left alive, still there were some.

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....the events ahead of us may place us in such a situation that we are all bunkered down in our houses for a time. I had never really considered the aspect of the plague in such detail prior to reading Cleon Skousen's "Cleansing of America". It would basically shut everyone (righteous and wicked) in a voluntary and forced quarantine situation for a period of time that not only would weed out a good portion of the wicked (without them trampling over the righteous in the process) but also break the back of the conspiracy as everything grinds to a halt due to the quarantine gridlock (no people to do anything like drive trucks across the country full of food, fuel, and goods).

Here's some other sources:

Wilford Woodruff -

You will say: That was in the days when Presidents Benson and Maughan presided over us; that was before New York was destroyed by an earthquake; it was before Boston was swept into the sea, by the sea heaving itself beyond its bounds; it was before Albany was destroyed by fire; yea, at that time you will remember the scenes of this day. Treasure them up and forget them not.”

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Orson Pratt -

This great war is only a small degree of chastisement, just the beginning; nothing compared to that which God has spoken concerning this nation, if they will not repent. For the Lord has said in this book, (the Book of Mormon) which has been published for thirty eight years, that if they will not repent He will throw down all their strongholds and cut off the cities of the land, and will execute vengeance and fury on the nation, even as upon the heathen, such as they have not heard. That He will send a desolating scourge on the land; that He will leave their cities desolate, without inhabitants. For instance the great, powerful and populous city of New York, that may be considered one of the greatest cities of the world, will in a few years become a mass of ruins. The people will wonder while gazing on the ruins that cost hundreds of millions to build, what has become of its inhabitants. Their houses will be there, but they will be left desolate. So saith the Lord God. That will be only a sample of numerous other towns and cities on the face of this continent.

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and of course Patriarch Charles D. Evans -

Charles D. Evans was a church patriarch, in the 1890's, while living in Springville, Utah.

While I lay pondering in deep solitude on the events of the present, my mind was drawn into a reverie such as I had never felt before,--a strong solicitude for my imperiled country utterly excluded every other thought, and raised my feelings to a point of intensity which I did not think it possible to endure.

While in this solemn, profound, and painful reverie of mind, to my infinite surprise, a light appeared in my room, which seemed to be soft and silvery as that diffused from a northern star. At the moment of its appearance, the acute feeling I had experienced instantly yielded to one of calm tranquility.

Although it may have been at the hour of midnight, and the side of the globe whereon I was situated, was excluded from the sunlight, yet all was light and bright and warm as an Italian landscape at noon, but the heat was softer or more subdued.

As I gazed upward, I saw descending through my bedroom roof, with a gently gliding movement, a personage clothed in white apparel, whose countenance was smoothly serene, his features regular, and the flashes of his eye seemed to shoot forth scintillations, to use an earthly comparison, strongly resembling those reflected from a diamond under an intensely illumined electric light, which dazzled but did not bewilder.

Those large, deep, inscrutable eyes were presently fixed upon mine, when instantly placing his hands up on my forehead his touch produced an indescribable serenity and calmness, a calmness not born of earth, but at once peaceful, delightful and heavenly. My whole being was imbued with a joy unspeakable. All feelings of sorrow instantly vanished. Those lines and shadows which care and sorrow impress upon us were dispelled as a deep fog before a blazing sun.

In the eyes of my heavenly visitor, for such he appeared to me, there was a sort of lofty pity and tenderness, infinitely stronger than any such feeling I ever saw manifested in ordinary mortals. His very calm appeared like a vast ocean stillness, at once overpowering to every agitated emotion.

By some intuition, or instinct, I felt he had something to communicate to sooth my sorrows and allay my apprehensions. Thereupon addressing me, he said:

"Son, I perceive thou hast grave anxieties over the perilous state of thy country, that thy soul has felt deep sorrow for its future. I have therefore come to thy relief and to tell thee of the causes that have led to this peril. Hear me attentively.

"Seventy-one years ago [1823], after an awful apostasy of centuries, in which all nations were enshrouded in spiritual darkness, when the angels had withdrawn themselves, the voice of prophets hushed, and the light of Urim and Thummim shown not, and the vision of the seers closed, while heaven itself shed not a ray of gladness to lighten a dark world, when Babel ruled and Satan laughed, and Church and Priesthood had taken their upward flight, and the voice of nations, possessing the books of the Jewish prophets, had ruled against vision and against Urim, against the further visits of angels, and against the doctrine of a church of apostles and prophets, thou knowest that then appeared a mighty angel with the solemn announcement of the hour of judgment, the burden of whose instructions pointed to dire calamities upon the present generation. This, therefore, is the cause of what thou seest and the end of the wicked hasteneth."

My vision now became extended in a marvelous manner, and the import of the past labors of the Elders was made plain to me. I saw multitudes fleeing to the place of safety in our mountain heights. The church was established in the wilderness. Simultaneously the nation had reached an unparalleled prosperity, wealth abounded, new territory was acquired, commerce extended, finance strengthened, confidence was maintained, and peoples abroad pointed to her as the model nation--the ideal of the past realized and perfected--the embodiment of the liberty sung by poets and sought for by sages.

"But," continued the Messenger, "thou beholdest a change. Confidence is lost, wealth is arrayed against labor, labor against wealth, yet the land abounds with plenty of food and raiment, and silver and gold are in abundance. Thou seest also the letters written by a Jew have wrought great confusion in the finances of the nation which, together with the policy of many wealthy ones, has produced distress and do produce further sorrow."

Factions now sprang up as if by magic; capital had entrenched itself against labor throughout the land; labor was organized against capital. The voice of the wise sought to tranquilize these two powerful factors in vain. Excited multitudes ran wildly about; strikes increased; lawlessness sought the place of regular government.

At this juncture I saw a banner floating in air whereupon was written the words, "BANKRUPTCY, FAMINE, FLOODS, FIRE, CYCLONES, BLOOD, PLAGUE." Mad with rage, men and women rushed upon each other. Blood flowed down the streets of cities like water. The demon of bloody hate had enthroned itself on the citadel of reason; the thirst for blood was more intense than that of the parched tongue for water. Thousands of bodies lay untombed in the streets. Men and women fell dead from the terror inspired by fear. Rest was but the precursor of the bloody work of the morrow. All around lay the mournfulness of a past in ruins. Monuments erected to perpetuate the names of the noble and brave were ruthlessly destroyed by combustibles.

A voice now sounded aloud these words, "Yet once again I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word yet once again signifies the removing of things that are shaken, as of things that are made; that those things that cannot be shaken may remain."

Earthquakes rent the earth in vast chasms, which engulfed multitudes; terrible groanings and wailings filled the air; the shrieks of the suffering were indescribably awful. Water wildly rushed in from the tumultuous ocean, whose very roaring under the mad rage of the fierce cyclone, was unendurable to the ear. Cities were swept away in an instant, missiles were hurled through the atmosphere at a terrible velocity, and people were carried upward only to descend an unrecognizable mass. Islands appeared where ocean waves once tossed the gigantic steamer. In other parts, voluminous flames emanating from vast fires, rolled with fearful velocity, destroying life and property in their destructive course.

The seal of the dread menace of despair was stamped on every human visage; men fell exhausted, appalled and trembling. Every element of agitated nature seemed a demon of wrathful fury. Dense clouds, blacker than midnight darkness, whose thunders reverberated with intonations which shook the earth, obscured the sunlight. Darkness reigned unrivaled and supreme.

Again the light shone, revealing an atmosphere tinged with a leaden hue, which was the precursor of an unparalleled plague, whose first symptoms were recognized by a purple spot which appeared on the cheek or on the back of the hand, and which, invariably, enlarged until it spread over the entire surface of the body, producing certain death. Mothers, on sight of it, cast away their children as if they were poisonous reptiles. This plague, in grown persons, rotted the eyes in their sockets and consumed the tongue as would a powerful acid or an intense heat. Wicked men, suffering under its writhing agonies, cursed God and died, as they stood on their feet, and the birds of prey feasted on their carcasses.

I saw in my dream the Messenger again appear with a vial in his right hand, who addressing me, said: "Thou knowest somewhat of the chemistry taught in the schools of human learning, behold now a chemical sufficiently powerful to change the waters of the sea."

He then poured out his vial upon the sea and it became putrid as the blood of a dead man, and every living soul therein died. Other plagues followed which I forbear to record.

A foreign power had inroaded the nation, which, from every human indication, it appeared would seize the government and supplant it with monarchy. I stood trembling at the aspect, when, lo, a power arose in the west which declared itself in favor of the Constitution in its original form; to this suddenly rising power, every lover of constitutional rights and liberties throughout the nation gave hearty support. The struggle was fiercely contested, but the Stars and Stripes floated in the breeze, and bidding defiance to all opposition, waved proudly over the land.

Among the many banners I saw, was one inscribed thus: "The government based on the Constitution, now and forever"; on another, "Liberty of Conscience, Social, Religious, and Political."

The light of the Gospel which had but dimly shone because of abomination, now burst forth with a lustre that filled the earth. Cities appeared in every direction, one of which, in the center of the continent, was an embodiment of architectural science after the pattern of eternal perfections, whose towers glittered with a radiance emanating from the sparkling of emeralds, rubies, diamonds, and other precious stones set in a canopy of gold, and so elaborately and skillfully arranged as to shed forth a brilliancy which dazzled and enchanted the eye, excited admiration and developed a taste for the beautiful, beyond anything man had ever conceived.

Fountains of crystal water shot upwards their transparent jets, which, in the brilliant sunshine, formed ten thousand rainbow tints at once delightful to the eye. Gardens, the perfection of whose arrangement confound all our present attempts at genius, were bedecked with flowers of varied hue to develop and refine the taste and strengthen a love for these nature's chastest adornments.

Schools and universities were erected, to which all had access; in the latter, Urims were placed for the study of the past, present, and future, and for obtaining a knowledge of the heavenly bodies, and of the construction of worlds and universes. The inherent properties of matter, its arrangements, laws, and mutual relations were revealed and taught and made plain as the primer lesson of a child. The conflicting theories of geologists regarding the foundation and age of the earth were settled forever. All learning was based on eternal certainty. Angels brought forth the treasures of knowledge which had laid hid in the womb of the dumb and distant past.

The appliances for making learning easy surpass all conjecture. Chemistry was rendered extremely simple, by the power which the Urims conferred on man of looking into and through the very elements of every kind; a stone furnished no more obstruction to human vision than the air itself. Not only were the elements and all their changes and transformations plainly understood, but the construction, operations and laws of mind were thus rendered equally plain as those which governed the coarser elements.

While looking through the Urim and Thummim, I was amazed at a transformation, which even now is to me marvelous beyond description, clearly showing the manner in which particles composing the inorganic kingdom of nature are conducted upward to become a part of organic forms; another astounding revelation was a view clearly shown me of the entire circulation of the blood, both in man and animals.

After seeing these things and gazing once more upon the beautiful city, the following passage of scripture sounded in my ears: "OUT OF ZION, THE PERFECTION OF BEAUTY, GOD SHINETH."

On this I awoke to find all a dream. I have written the foregoing, which is founded on true principle, under the caption of a dream, partly to instruct and partly to check the folly of reading silly novels now so prevalent.

CHARLES D. EVANS

Springville, Utah

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also printed in The Contributor, Vol. 15, No. 10 August, 1894, pp. 638-641

...followed by some scripture -

And there shall be weeping and wailing among the hosts of men;

And there shall be a great hailstorm sent forth to destroy the crops of the earth.

And it shall come to pass, because of the wickedness of the world, that I will take vengeance upon the wicked, for they will not repent; for the cup of mine indignation is full; for behold, my blood shall not cleanse them if they hear me not.

Wherefore, I the Lord God will send forth flies upon the face of the earth, which shall take hold of the inhabitants thereof, and shall eat their flesh, and shall cause maggots to come in upon them;

And their tongues shall be stayed that they shall not utter against me; and their flesh shall fall from off their bones, and their eyes from their sockets;

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And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

But my disciples shall stand in holy places, and shall not be moved; but among the wicked, men shall lift up their voices and curse God and die.

And there shall be earthquakes also in divers places, and many desolations; yet men will harden their hearts against me, and they will take up the sword, one against another, and they will kill one another.

And now, when I the Lord had spoken these words unto my disciples, they were troubled.

And I said unto them: Be not troubled, for, when all these things shall come to pass, ye may know that the promises which have been made unto you shall be fulfilled.

And when the alight shall begin to break forth, it shall be with them like unto a parable which I will show you—

Ye look and behold the fig trees, and ye see them with your eyes, and ye say when they begin to shoot forth, and their leaves are yet tender, that summer is now nigh at hand;

Even so it shall be in that day when they shall see all these things, then shall they know that the hour is nigh.

And it shall come to pass that he that feareth me shall be looking forth for the great day of the Lord to come, even for the signs of the coming of the Son of Man.

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And thus, with the sword and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the earth shall mourn; and with famine, and plague, and earthquake, and the thunder of heaven, and the fierce and vivid lightning also, shall the inhabitants of the earth be made to feel the wrath, and indignation, and chastening hand of an Almighty God, until the consumption decreed hath made a full end of all nations;

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And now I am prepared to say by the authority of Jesus Christ, that not many years shall pass away before the United States shall present such a scene of bloodshed as has not a parallel in the history of our nation; pestilence, hail, famine, and earthquake will sweep the wicked of this generation from off the face of the land, to open and prepare the way for the return of the lost tribes of Israel from the north country. The people of the Lord, those who have complied with the requirements of the new covenant, have already commenced gathering together to Zion, which is in the state of Missouri; therefore I declare unto you the warning which the Lord has commanded to declare unto this generation, remembering that the eyes of my Maker are upon me, and that to him I am accountable for every word I say, wishing nothing worse to my fellow-men than their eternal salvation; therefore, "Fear God, and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come." Repent ye, repent ye, and embrace the everlasting covenant, and flee to Zion, before the overflowing scourge overtake you, for there are those now living upon the earth whose eyes shall not be closed in death until they see all these things, which I have spoken, fulfilled. Remember these things; call upon the Lord while He is near, and seek Him while He may be found, is the exhortation of your unworthy servant.

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"Elder Orson Hyde taught:'The scripture says, that in the last days His people will go forth and build up the waste places of Zion. But they must first be made desolate, before they can be called the waste places of Zion. Then the hands of the saints will be required to build them up'

Elder Orson Pratt taught that the saints would go back to MO and posses the properties they had once inhabited in the early days of the church, after Gods judgements have made the cities desolate:'Now that oder of things will continue and will spread from that nucleus in Jackson county and the western counties of MO and the eastern counties of Kansas, were this people will be located, and it will spread abroad for hundreds and hundreds of miles on the right hand and on the left, east west north and south, from the great centrl city, and all the people will be required to execute the law in all their stewardships, and then there will be a oneness and union which will continue and it will spread wider and wider, and become greater and greater, until the desolate cities of the Gentiles will be inhabited by the Saints. Then will be fullfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, in which he says, 'Thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited'Isa54:3, for God will visit them in judgement, and there will be no owners left to occupy the country. Then the land will be filled up with Saints, those who keep the celestial law;and they will recieve their stewardships according to the appointment of heaven'"

- D&C Student Manual

....needless to say I don't know how it will exactly unfold....but I can envision a situation where everyone is hunkered down living on food storage and I think fear will keep most from leaving their homes except for the utter need of food....and then it may be shoot first ask questions later in terms of law enforcement during a mandatory quarantine. Also those located elsewhere will need to flee to Zion which in my understanding begins in the Rocky Mountains and spreads out to build the New Jerusalem....eventually covering North and South America. Perhaps about 547 years before everyone in the world is converted. The 1/3 of the Jews that survive will be converted in an hour or two though...

fwiw

[Oxbow]

He claims tent cities will be a thing, and that it will be organized entirely at the stake level. His timeline indicates the "call out" will happen in the spring of 2016.

[Bee Prepared]

Golly Beav! I wonder why Avow's latest book is "Very, very closely aligned with Julie Rowe's predictions"???

[Jason]

He claims tent cities will be a thing, and that it will be organized entirely at the stake level. His timeline indicates the "call out" will happen in the spring of 2016.

Tent cities for 6-8 million? That's not a call out...not when the population of Utah, Idaho, and several surrounding states would be pushed to hit that number. That's called folks coming to the Rocky Mountains!!!

[WarMonger]

Things getting interesting:

• Muslims are getting active all over,
• Greece on verge of default and having a run on their banks: http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/26/news/ec ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
• China stocks almost in bear territory Down 13% last week and another 12% this week 7.4% just on Friday
• SSM now legal in all USA

[Goonerboy]

Does anyone know of any Predictions outside of the United States? Especially for the United Kingdom ? The EU Mafia or modern day Gadiantons that we have over here are destroying our rights and freedoms at an alarming rate. Winston Churchill would turn in his grave if he saw what is going on here. The sacrifices of so many people who have bled and died for our country only to have future Goverments who are spineless and gutless give it all away, its heart breaking and frightening at the same time.

[WarMonger]

Does anyone know of any Predictions outside of the United States? Especially for the United Kingdom ?

Continental Europe gets invaded by Russia. I think the UK does better than most countries but majority of the country gets flooded with water - which is not hard to imagine happening.

[durangout]

Does anyone know of any Predictions outside of the United States? Especially for the United Kingdom ?

Continental Europe gets invaded by Russia. I think the UK does better than most countries but majority of the country gets flooded with water - which is not hard to imagine happening.

By chance, you wouldn't have any proof whatsoever for the above would you?

[WarMonger]

By chance, you wouldn't have any proof whatsoever for the above would you?

The question was predictions - predictions have no proof. Even if it was scripture it would be open to interpretation - just like there is no proof Jesus is the Savior of the world - it requires faith and prayer.

The GAS prophecy talks about tanks in railway cars entering western Europe. I have read two vision where they state that England is flooded, but that is not hard to imagine - they get flooded every few years, even with ayip moderate storm, and have build massive retractable steel dykes on the Thames river to prevent storm surge.
We know there are big storms and tsunami coming so it is a no brainier that they need to consider flooding and location in preps for the upcoming calamities. But what I wrote was based on predictions/visions, that I have recently read.

[clairefromaus]

Curious as to what us aussies will b doing whether we will b asked to go to america at some point if all this happens or find a gathering place here

[AGalagaChiasmus]

What I want to know, is where are the "conjectured timelines" from 50, 75 or 100 years ago that do the legwork to prove that 2015 is THE shemetiah(sp?) year everything goes down. Where's the guy in 1892 that was like "OMG! 2016 the markets will fail! The biblical timeline says it right here?"

See what I'm getting at? I could find much more credence with claims of upcoming disasters and market collapses and the "beginning of tribulations" if it had been consistently calculated to be the same year.

Instead, what I've seen is that guy in 1892 (just as an example) who does the mental gymnastics and says the timeline is 1905-1906 for the tribulation to begin and woes to start, etc, etc...

In all sincerity, does anyone have memory of an old journal or record that says "Hey it won't be in the 10 or 20 years, it's going to be after the lunar eclipse tetrad of 2015!"?

[WarMonger]

Curious as to what us aussies will b doing whether we will b asked to go to america at some point if all this happens or find a gathering place here

We sail to Zion as per scripture as the new Madrid fault will break a few miles open from Mississippi to the great lakes and it will become ocean. Can sail right upto where Zion will be built. At some point the continents all become one landmass - I think Sydney Australia sits next to what is left off California - a little walk inland.....

The LDS church just recently sold of a a massive farm (Kooba station) in NSW to buy land in New Zealand - it was disappointing. There are only 23 million Australians won't take much after the plagues to take the country for ourselves and declare the entire continent Zion, and enforce LDS membership or execution - or not.... No idea what we do in Oz, most stake presidencies/Bishops that I talk to have no concern/urgency about the coming calamities. Too late anyway only 2.5 months to go.

Doctrine and Covenants 61:16
16 And it shall be said in days to come that none is able to go up to the land of Zion upon the waters, but he that is upright in heart.
For your safety I don't recommend traveling with me...

[WarMonger]

What I want to know, is where are the "conjectured timelines" ..................In all sincerity, does anyone have memory of an old journal or record that says "Hey it won't be in the 10 or 20 years, it's going to be after the lunar eclipse tetrad of 2015!"?

I posted about this on another thread - as scriptures are being fulfilled we begin to understand them - only recently we started understanding many things.

Well the Family Proclamation to the World is exactly 20years old on the 23rd Sept 2015 on the last blood moon - feat of trumpets or something. Now that same gender marriage is legal in all US - time for destruction, as per warning given in the proclamation. Don;t believe in coincidence Pres Monson..

2 Nephi 25:8
8 Wherefore, they are of worth unto the children of men, and he that supposeth that they are not, unto them will I speak particularly, and confine the words unto mine own people; for I know that they shall be of great worth unto them in the last days; for in that day shall they understand them; wherefore, for their good have I written them.

[WarMonger]

What I want to know, is where are the "conjectured timelines" from 50, 75 or 100 years ago that do the legwork to prove that 2015 is THE shemetiah(sp?) year everything goes down. Where's the guy in 1892 that was like "OMG! 2016 the markets will fail! The biblical timeline says it right here?"

See what I'm getting at? I could find much more credence with claims of upcoming disasters and market collapses and the "beginning of tribulations" if it had been consistently calculated to be the same year.

Instead, what I've seen is that guy in 1892 (just as an example) who does the mental gymnastics and says the timeline is 1905-1906 for the tribulation to begin and woes to start, etc, etc...

In all sincerity, does anyone have memory of an old journal or record that says "Hey it won't be in the 10 or 20 years, it's going to be after the lunar eclipse tetrad of 2015!"?

The principle of 7 apply. Gordon B. Hinckley, President of the Church https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... n?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"I wish to speak to you about temporal matters.

As a backdrop for what I wish to say, I read to you a few verses from the 41st chapter of Genesis.
Pharaoh, the ruler of Egypt, dreamed dreams which greatly troubled him. The wise men of his court could not give an interpretation. Joseph was then brought before him: “Pharaoh said unto Joseph, In my dream, behold, I stood upon the bank of the river:
“And, behold, there came up out of the river seven kine, fatfleshed and well favoured; and they fed in a meadow:
“And, behold, seven other kine came up after them, poor and very ill favoured and leanfleshed. …
“And the lean and the ill favoured kine did eat up the first seven fat kine: …
“And I saw in my dream … seven ears came up in one stalk, full and good:
“And, behold, seven ears, withered, thin, and blasted with the east wind, sprung up after them:
“And the thin ears devoured the seven good ears: …
“And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, … God hath shewed Pharaoh what he is about to do.
“The seven good kine are seven years; and the seven good ears are seven years: the dream is one. …
“… What God is about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh.
“Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt:“And there shall arise after them seven years of famine;
“… And God will shortly bring it to pass” (Gen. 41:17–20, 22–26, 28–30, 32).

Now, brethren, I want to make it very clear that I am not prophesying, that I am not predicting years of famine in the future. But I am suggesting that the time has come to get our houses in order."

[butterfly]

I read A Change is Coming. Here is a copy of the email I sent to the author:

Hi Brother Sosa, I really enjoyed your book. I appreciated your writing style, especially - clear, right to the point, and easy to follow. There was one aspect I was confused on: In chapter 8 you talk about the financial collapse and that you believe it will occur after the Saints have gathered. You talk about a halt in the trucking industry, empty store shelves, mobs, and rioting. You also refer to the incident in Chicago and that things looked worse in the eastern part of the U.S. But then at the end of the book, you share a warning about the N.Y. Stock Market closing and that you feel it will happen soon. You mention that with this Obsidian Monday event, the transportation industry stops deliveries, hence empty store shelves, looting, rioting, and smoke from across the U.S. but more in the east. So are chapter 8 and the Warning Vision referring to the same event or are they 2 separate occurrences?
I know a lot of resources are pointing towards this Fall as being pretty intense, I'm just trying to determine if your warning vision is how this Fall may look.

(Here is his response):

I have received more clarity about that subject since the book was published.

There are several economic/financial events of note. The first one is the stock market crash in September. This one will cause a significant amount of disruptions. This is where Obsidian Monday happen. Yes, there will be people panicking and doing dumb things. The really bad stuff happens during and after the second event I mention below.

The second event is the implosion and destruction of the dollar. This one has even more significant repercussions than the stock market crash. This second event is the one talked about by Joseph Smith where the riots will start in Chicago. The large scale (as in nationwide) rioting and looting will happen at this point.

I hope that helped clear things a bit.

[Sirocco]

gasp! it's the Diamond Authority! I knew it... it's more then sneoples (snake people).

[KurtTheMormon]

It would help freedom if you understood what was to come instead of just mention a few significant events. Try reading prophecy a key to the future by Crowther or the prophecy of our latter day prophets. You are missing so many events ... Michelle McDermott has a great book and it is free on Amazon. This book is a compilation of scripture and prophecies and modern visions detailing the events to come.

Personally, I feel the world is on the verge of a global financial crisis unlike anything we have ever seen before. By all indications look for the fun to begin in the fall.

Correct.

[freedomforall]

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[AGalagaChiasmus]

There are several economic/financial events of note. The first one is the stock market crash in September. This one will cause a significant amount of disruptions. This is where Obsidian Monday happen. Yes, there will be people panicking and doing dumb things. The really bad stuff happens during and after the second event I mention below.

Welp no Sept 2015 collapse or anything. Pope showed up though, not the first Pope to come to America....Hm...Putin starts Syrian airstrikes? I guess that could lead to something else, but not in September (12 hours left to drop a nuke or something). Supermoon Lunar Eclipse? I was thinking it might trigger a earthquake due to gravitational alignments...still looking for that theory to pan out. *sigh*