The Ultimate George Albert Smith Prophecy Thread

[OCDMOM]

My husband dreamed that we were having twin boys, and then I did.

[davedan]

Many people think that because Trump was elected, there is little chance now that Russia and China would attack the West because Putin indicated that he could possibly work with Trump.

Here is why this thinking may be mistaken. Trump and a Republican controlled Congress will likely ramp up US defense spending. US next gen technology such as railgun, hypersonic missiles, stealth destroyers, and the F-22, as well as any nuclear capibility modernization have all been sabotaged and delayed.

With a weak Obama leaving office, with the US military at its weakest, there is a serious window of opportunity that Russia and China may not be able to pass up.

If Russia and China strike the US and decapitate our military capibility, Russia and China are then free to take anything they want without any serious opposition.

Do not doubt Putin and China's ambitions. The bankers need WW3 so they can cancel all the debt, start over, and not get blammed for their economic failures. (100 Trillion in global debt). Globalist also are looking for the US to voluntarily abandon our soverignty to NATO/OTAN to prosecute WW3.

But, certain events still havn't happened. Are we goong to see Damascus destroyed like Aleppo? Will we see further division and riots in the US? Will we see resultant gun violence in the US leading to gun confiscation by presidential order? Will we see Israel/West finally move against Iran?

Trump and a Republican Congress will likely drill more domestic oil. Trump will approve drilling in ANWR for sure which could drive gas prices below 1$/gal. Russia depends on oil being at least 50$/barrel. If the US starts producing its own cheap oil and gas, Russia is economically crippled.

Remember, wars are are primarly battles of economy and the US has already been in an economic war with Russia and China for some time (sanctions, money printing, shipping diesel fuel to Europe).

[AI2.0]

If you read the account, he was recounting a dream to his family that he had during a nsp.

You might have it mixed up with something else--this was purported to be a vision; From Horne's account--

"The Prophet told us of a vision he had had".

He told his cousin's family about it.

If any need to refresh their memory of this account, go back to the OP on page one of this thread.

[brianj]

Many people think that because Trump was elected, there is little chance now that Russia and China would attack the West because Putin indicated that he could possibly work with Trump.

Here is why this thinking may be mistaken. Trump and a Republican controlled Congress will likely ramp up US defense spending. US next gen technology such as railgun, hypersonic missiles, stealth destroyers, and the F-22, as well as any nuclear capibility modernization have all been sabotaged and delayed.

With a weak Obama leaving office, with the US military at its weakest, there is a serious window of opportunity that Russia and China may not be able to pass up.

If Russia and China strike the US and decapitate our military capibility, Russia and China are then free to take anything they want without any serious opposition.

Do not doubt Putin and China's ambitions. The bankers need WW3 so they can cancel all the debt, start over, and not get blammed for their economic failures. (100 Trillion in global debt). Globalist also are looking for the US to voluntarily abandon our soverignty to NATO/OTAN to prosecute WW3.

But, certain events still havn't happened. Are we goong to see Damascus destroyed like Aleppo? Will we see further division and riots in the US? Will we see resultant gun violence in the US leading to gun confiscation by presidential order? Will we see Israel/West finally move against Iran?

Trump and a Republican Congress will likely drill more domestic oil. Trump will approve drilling in ANWR for sure which could drive gas prices below 1$/gal. Russia depends on oil being at least 50$/barrel. If the US starts producing its own cheap oil and gas, Russia is economically crippled.

Remember, wars are are primarly battles of economy and the US has already been in an economic war with Russia and China for some time (sanctions, money printing, shipping diesel fuel to Europe).

Something else that heavily weighs in: If there is some kind of attack in December or early January, Obama isn't going to want to deal with it. Trump will not have a cabinet and staff assembled yet, and the bickering between Obama, his outgoing staff, the transition team, Trump's incoming staff, and Trump will delay and severely handicap any response. Our enemies anticipate the worst they will have to deal with is some drone or cruise missile strikes until Trump is sworn in and in the White House. Now through January 21st is a dangerous time for us.

[paulrobots]

If you read the account, he was recounting a dream to his family that he had during a nsp.

Did you mean nap? That's not at all what happened here. This thread is about the GAS prophecy which came about as I described above.

Perhaps you are thinking of John Taylor.

[paulrobots]

Many people think that because Trump was elected, there is little chance now that Russia and China would attack the West because Putin indicated that he could possibly work with Trump.

Here is why this thinking may be mistaken. Trump and a Republican controlled Congress will likely ramp up US defense spending. US next gen technology such as railgun, hypersonic missiles, stealth destroyers, and the F-22, as well as any nuclear capibility modernization have all been sabotaged and delayed.

With a weak Obama leaving office, with the US military at its weakest, there is a serious window of opportunity that Russia and China may not be able to pass up.

If Russia and China strike the US and decapitate our military capibility, Russia and China are then free to take anything they want without any serious opposition.

Do not doubt Putin and China's ambitions. The bankers need WW3 so they can cancel all the debt, start over, and not get blammed for their economic failures. (100 Trillion in global debt). Globalist also are looking for the US to voluntarily abandon our soverignty to NATO/OTAN to prosecute WW3.

But, certain events still havn't happened. Are we goong to see Damascus destroyed like Aleppo? Will we see further division and riots in the US? Will we see resultant gun violence in the US leading to gun confiscation by presidential order? Will we see Israel/West finally move against Iran?

Trump and a Republican Congress will likely drill more domestic oil. Trump will approve drilling in ANWR for sure which could drive gas prices below 1$/gal. Russia depends on oil being at least 50$/barrel. If the US starts producing its own cheap oil and gas, Russia is economically crippled.

Remember, wars are are primarly battles of economy and the US has already been in an economic war with Russia and China for some time (sanctions, money printing, shipping diesel fuel to Europe).

Right on the money, quoted for truth.

[DesertWonderer]

Many people think that because Trump was elected, there is little chance now that Russia and China would attack the West because Putin indicated that he could possibly work with Trump.

Here is why this thinking may be mistaken. Trump and a Republican controlled Congress will likely ramp up US defense spending. US next gen technology such as railgun, hypersonic missiles, stealth destroyers, and the F-22, as well as any nuclear capibility modernization have all been sabotaged and delayed.

With a weak Obama leaving office, with the US military at its weakest, there is a serious window of opportunity that Russia and China may not be able to pass up.

If Russia and China strike the US and decapitate our military capibility, Russia and China are then free to take anything they want without any serious opposition.

Do not doubt Putin and China's ambitions. The bankers need WW3 so they can cancel all the debt, start over, and not get blammed for their economic failures. (100 Trillion in global debt). Globalist also are looking for the US to voluntarily abandon our soverignty to NATO/OTAN to prosecute WW3.

But, certain events still havn't happened. Are we goong to see Damascus destroyed like Aleppo? Will we see further division and riots in the US? Will we see resultant gun violence in the US leading to gun confiscation by presidential order? Will we see Israel/West finally move against Iran?

Trump and a Republican Congress will likely drill more domestic oil. Trump will approve drilling in ANWR for sure which could drive gas prices below 1$/gal. Russia depends on oil being at least 50$/barrel. If the US starts producing its own cheap oil and gas, Russia is economically crippled.

Remember, wars are are primarly battles of economy and the US has already been in an economic war with Russia and China for some time (sanctions, money printing, shipping diesel fuel to Europe).

I will cover ALL bets. IF Rus /Chi attacks the US like you say above. Any takers? Anybody?

[Spaced_Out]

The Joseph Smith prophecy state vs state is getting some traction. There are massive demonstrations planned for Trump inorgaration, It will need to be seen if things can be held together till then. The ecnomy is very unstable and can go anytime.

Trump undoing all of Obma legacy and startign up the coal mines has got a lot of people very crazy - The Clintons and Obama most likley will face jail if Trump takes the Whitehouse so my prediction of an assassination is also very likely.

First California, now Oregon: Portlanders submit ballot petition asking for the state to secede from the union following Trump's election win
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4PlnoxzLK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Baba Vanga ‘Obama last US president’ prediction: What does it mean?
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/w ... a60e28311c" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Vanga predicted hundreds of events and disasters including a 2016 Muslim invasion of Europe that would end in disaster with chemical warfare used against Europeans.

Now consider her prediction about the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama.
The revered clairvoyant predicted with accuracy that the 44th President would be African-American.
But she also stated that he would be the “last US president”.

[Spaced_Out]

This is my prediction - but not the great depression but the last one and end of the Republic, and you will not have to wait till October. Trump win was due to economic reasons - people need change.

[paulrobots]

The Joseph Smith prophecy state vs state is getting some traction. There are massive demonstrations planned for Trump inorgaration, It will need to be seen if things can be held together till then. The ecnomy is very unstable and can go anytime.

Trump undoing all of Obma legacy and startign up the coal mines has got a lot of people very crazy - The Clintons and Obama most likley will face jail if Trump takes the Whitehouse so my prediction of an assassination is also very likely.

First California, now Oregon: Portlanders submit ballot petition asking for the state to secede from the union following Trump's election win
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4PlnoxzLK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Baba Vanga ‘Obama last US president’ prediction: What does it mean?
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/w ... a60e28311c" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Vanga predicted hundreds of events and disasters including a 2016 Muslim invasion of Europe that would end in disaster with chemical warfare used against Europeans.

Now consider her prediction about the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama.
The revered clairvoyant predicted with accuracy that the 44th President would be African-American.
But she also stated that he would be the “last US president”.

I wish they would give her actual quotes so we could compare them with their interpretation.

This author says 2 esdras also points to the 44th president.

http://thelost10tribes.com/?page_id=33" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[AI2.0]

This is my prediction - but not the great depression but the last one and end of the Republic, and you will not have to wait till October. Trump win was due to economic reasons - people need change.

This is wrong. They held the Presidency, house and senate in 2006 and that wasn't that long ago--10 years, and they didn't use the power they were given, so what good did it do?

The 109th Congress, 2005-2006, with George W. Bush as President, Dennis Hastert as Speaker of the House, and Ted Stevens as Senate President pro tem.

The hand wringing and predictions of doom on both sides are getting tiresome. I think everyone needs to step back and take a deep breath.

I predict that Trump will take office, Pres. Obama will go off and enjoy himself aka Clinton style (lucrative speeches and jetsetting around), the Russians will not attack us with a nuclear bomb in the next few weeks, but continue their encroachments in Europe as they try to rebuild the power of the old Soviet block and come Jan. the GAS prophecy will be forgotten for a while, until someone resurrects it during the next election cycle. That's my prediction. ;)

[francisco.colaco]

the GAS prophecy will be forgotten for a while, until someone resurrects it during the next election cycle. That's my prediction. ;)

What bothers me is that the Church is normally quick and contundent to denounce spurious material and calling it by name (like the White Horse Prophecy or more implicitly, to Rowe and Sosa's gibberish); and yet did nothing to both of Horne's GAS accounts.

[DesertWonderer]

the GAS prophecy will be forgotten for a while, until someone resurrects it during the next election cycle. That's my prediction. ;)

What bothers me is that the Church is normally quick and contundent to denounce spurious material and calling it by name (like the White Horse Prophecy or more implicitly, to Rowe and Sosa's gibberish); and yet did nothing to both of Horne's GAS accounts.

That's b/c those two particular "prophesies" have had little effect--only a tiny few have been silly enough to believe them. A better way to look at them is that The Church has NEVER used them in ANY authorized publication hence The Church gives them no credence.

[francisco.colaco]

the GAS prophecy will be forgotten for a while, until someone resurrects it during the next election cycle. That's my prediction. ;)

What bothers me is that the Church is normally quick and contundent to denounce spurious material and calling it by name (like the White Horse Prophecy or more implicitly, to Rowe and Sosa's gibberish); and yet did nothing to both of Horne's GAS accounts.

That's b/c those two particular "prophesies" have had little effect--only a tiny few have been silly enough to believe them. A better way to look at them is that The Church has NEVER used them in ANY authorized publication hence The Church gives them no credence.

Even with little effect, Rowe, Sosa and the White Horse prophecies were denounced as false. GAS was not, even though, if being a false account, would be a blatant misrepresentation of the ideas of a president of the Church and would descredit him unjustly when the predictions within were eventually missed.

I do not think Brother Horne lied. And there was jornal support from his older brother. I do not think the account is spurious.

[AI2.0]

the GAS prophecy will be forgotten for a while, until someone resurrects it during the next election cycle. That's my prediction. ;)

What bothers me is that the Church is normally quick and contundent to denounce spurious material and calling it by name (like the White Horse Prophecy or more implicitly, to Rowe and Sosa's gibberish); and yet did nothing to both of Horne's GAS accounts.

That's b/c those two particular "prophesies" have had little effect--only a tiny few have been silly enough to believe them. A better way to look at them is that The Church has NEVER used them in ANY authorized publication hence The Church gives them no credence.

I'd also like them to speak up in a big way on these things, but they don't and since I trust their judgement, there must be a reason. I think it is because things are different now. Back when leaders denounced the white horse prophecy and the John Taylor vision, the church was small. Those 'prophecies' were being distributed along the mormon corridor--they didn't have the ability to spread this stuff around like we do and so if they spoke out at a general conference on this, it reached the people who they needed to reach. But, in our day, this stuff is still mostly only available to a small group of LDS who search for them and shared in the mormon corridor--though it's a little bigger now. But, if the leaders denounce it on a church wide scale, it goes to all the other parts of the church and that's just free publicity! It has the opposite effect of giving these spurious materials a larger audience. I think they feel it is better to not call these things out and give them a larger audience. Rather they come to our regional conferences and speak specifically to us, warning us about these things--Elder Ballard did at our's in September--and those of us who are familiar with this stuff, we knew what he was referring to.

[francisco.colaco]

I'd also like them to speak up in a big way on these things, but they don't and since I trust their judgement, there must be a reason. I think it is because things are different now. Back when leaders denounced the white horse prophecy and the John Taylor vision, the church was small. Those 'prophecies' were being distributed along the mormon corridor--they didn't have the ability to spread this stuff around like we do and so if they spoke out at a general conference on this, it reached the people who they needed to reach. But, in our day, this stuff is still mostly only available to a small group of LDS who search for them and shared in the mormon corridor--though it's a little bigger now. But, if the leaders denounce it on a church wide scale, it goes to all the other parts of the church and that's just free publicity! It has the opposite effect of giving these spurious materials a larger audience. I think they feel it is better to not call these things out and give them a larger audience. Rather they come to our regional conferences and speak specifically to us, warning us about these things--Elder Ballard did at our's in September--and those of us who are familiar with this stuff, we knew what he was referring to.

The implication of the GAS account being false is that Brother Horne is a liar, and persisted on the lie when Kirtland RM called him.

Why would members of the Church do it? Maybe I am too far away from the United States, specially from the Mormon corridor, and do not quite grasp their mindset, but I think faking a prophet's statement would put one under severe condemnation, regardless of the goodness of the reasons for so doing.

[JandD6572]

I have talked to my wife about this, right now, with our nation so divided, our parties at war with each other, what better time than now for a strike. but this is just my thought.

[mirkwood]

Rather they come to our regional conferences and speak specifically to us, warning us about these things--Elder Ballard did at our's in September--and those of us who are familiar with this stuff, we knew what he was referring to.

Did he say something specific, or speak as they usually do in generalities?

[DesertWonderer]

I'd also like them to speak up in a big way on these things, but they don't and since I trust their judgement, there must be a reason. I think it is because things are different now. Back when leaders denounced the white horse prophecy and the John Taylor vision, the church was small. Those 'prophecies' were being distributed along the mormon corridor--they didn't have the ability to spread this stuff around like we do and so if they spoke out at a general conference on this, it reached the people who they needed to reach. But, in our day, this stuff is still mostly only available to a small group of LDS who search for them and shared in the mormon corridor--though it's a little bigger now. But, if the leaders denounce it on a church wide scale, it goes to all the other parts of the church and that's just free publicity! It has the opposite effect of giving these spurious materials a larger audience. I think they feel it is better to not call these things out and give them a larger audience. Rather they come to our regional conferences and speak specifically to us, warning us about these things--Elder Ballard did at our's in September--and those of us who are familiar with this stuff, we knew what he was referring to.

The implication of the GAS account being false is that Brother Horne is a liar, and persisted on the lie when Kirtland RM called him.

Why would members of the Church do it? Maybe I am too far away from the United States, specially from the Mormon corridor, and do not quite grasp their mindset, but I think faking a prophet's statement would put one under severe condemnation, regardless of the goodness of the reasons for so doing.[/quote]

While I think the GAS prophesy is false, I wouldn't call Horne a liar per se. I think he has re-told the story of GAS visiting his home when he was a boy over and over, and each time he told it the details got better and better (In the US we call that a "fish-story") using his personal biases, politics of the cold war era and mormon myths to fill in the blanks.

How likely is it that an 8 yr old boy could hear someone say something and remember 2 full pages of text correctly then 40+ years later record it? Zero chance. Without looking, regurgitate 2 pages of text from any of The 15's talks in gen conference 1 month ago. You can't. Neither could Horne have done what he claims to have done.

[Silver]

How likely is it that an 8 yr old boy could hear someone say something and remember 2 full pages of text correctly then 40+ years later record it? Zero chance. Without looking, regurgitate 2 pages of text from any of The 15's talks in gen conference 1 month ago. You can't. Neither could Horne have done what he claims to have done.

Personally, I can't vouch for the GAS account and it doesn't really matter to me if it is false or if we are about to see its literal fulfillment. My goal is to be prepared no matter which way that "prophecy" goes. However, there are multiple instances in the scriptures of inspired men recording many pages of revelations after the fact. The writers of the New Testament Gospels gave their testimonies many years after the actual events they recorded. Not all of the men who wrote the Gospels were Apostles either. They were simply disciples.

Today's lesson in Sunday School covered the end of 3rd Nephi. In chapter 26, we find:
6 And now there cannot be written in this book even a hundredth part of the things which Jesus did truly teach unto the people;

There's a cross reference in that verse to John 21. It's the last verse in the Gospel recorded by him who was beloved of the Savior:
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

How do those verses connect to the matter at hand? My thoughts about the GAS account are that President Smith may very well have told the Horne family about a dream or vision and it's quite unfortunate that none of the adults in the room went to the trouble of immediately recording it, according to their recollection. It's also entirely possible that President Smith uttered even an even more impressive prophecy than something about America's non-Greek Oval Office Occupier. As long as the visit by President Smith to the Horne residence actually occurred, many possibilities exist.

We are a worldwide church now. If the current General Authorities mentioned in general conference some of the prophecies spoken by the apostles of the early days of the restoration, there would be a lot of confusion on the part of the members in other countries. However, the silence of the GAs doesn't preclude us from learning all we can about the days leading up to Christ's return and beyond.

[Spaced_Out]

THe GAS prophecy makes sens to me as He was the prophet during the time of the second world war just like George Washington's Visions had vision of future wars while fighting the British in 1777.

Also one needs to consider that many of the events in the GAS prophecies have already come to pass.

[Wolverine]

It's awfully amazing though how things are lining up pretty good with the vision that George Albert Smith purportedly had.....and then we find quotes like this from the teachings of George Albert Smith.....

"We are not out of the woods. This world is in for a housecleaning unless the sons and daughters of our Heavenly Father repent of their sins and turn to him. And that means the Latter-day Saints, or the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, along with all the rest, but we, first of all, ought to be setting the example." [See suggestion 2 on page 264.]

A couple of bombs falling on some cities would be a pretty could house cleaning.

Another quote from a Conference Report, April 1950, pp. 167-170......

"It will not be long until calamities will overtake the human family unless there is speedy repentance. It will not be long before those who are scattered over the face of the earth by millions will die like flies because of what will come."

Strange that the same verbage is used..."Millions will die like flies" in this Conference report and the purported vision.

I really hope that nothing happens.....I would like to make it to Disneyland one more time

[gclayjr]

Sam-I-Am,

I didn't read your post earlier, because I had read the previous thread, and it had dropped into knee-jerk positions I had heard before, and saw no need to rehash it. (I haven't read all of the posts on this thread to know if this thread has similarly deteriorated).

However, one thing I had asked for was more provenance regarding the sources of this revelation, and I think you did a good job of doing this. From my reading of the various accounts you identified, I believe that it is obvious that while we cannot, accept it word for word, from any of the accounts, it does appear that GAS, probably did have a revelation, and that he did repeat at least parts of it to selected people, and that while we cannot hang on to every word as if it were gospel, that there is useful information which we can use to guide ourselves from these accounts.

Again thank you for taking the time to lay this stuff out.

Regards,

George Clay

[francisco.colaco]

George Washington's vision is most likely false. It is not found in his diaries, but told by someone who claimed to have heard it from another person that heard it from George Washington.

Brother Horne's account is a different matter. He heard it as a child himself and, according to this own forum, called his older brother who remembered everything but the green word, which the brother replaced by another. That word was not named --- could it be 'negro'? I remember that word had not the conotation it has now.

The word negro comes from the portuguese 'negro', which is another word for 'black', by the way. In portuguese and spanish, the word negro is the non-offensive word; the word 'preto' may carry offense, even if also meaning 'black'.

[AI2.0]

George Washington's vision is most likely false. It is not found in his diaries, but told by someone who claimed to have heard it from another person that heard it from George Washington.

Brother Horne's account is a different matter. He heard it as a child himself and, according to this own forum, called his older brother who remembered everything but the green word, which the brother replaced by another. That word was not named --- could it be 'negro'? I remember that word had not the conotation it has now.

The word negro comes from the portuguese 'negro', which is another word for 'black', by the way. In portuguese and spanish, the word negro is the non-offensive word; the word 'preto' may carry offense, even if also meaning 'black'.

This is the first time I've heard anyone suggest that the BROTHER said the word was negro(others have suggested 'greek' was code for negro), I thought the brother claimed he remembered the description to be someone of Non-European ancestry--which could be any number of ethnicities actually.

One good thing has come from Obama's Presidency. HE was the first of non-European Ancestry to be President--a lot of people voted for him eight years ago, purely for this reason--they wanted to make history. They did and when the GAS prophecy predictions don't come true on either Thanksgiving, Christmas or New Years this year, then, IMO, there's scarce chance to save the credibility of this prophecy. No one can undo the fact that the first President of non-European ancenstry's administration will have ended and no attack as described in the prophecy took place.

I don't believe Horne is a liar, but I do question his memory. One possible explanation is that because he was a child, he may have mixed up visitors and events--he wrote nothing down at the time, but did so, some 40 years later. It would have been easy to misremember a conversation he vaguely remembered and mix it up, later attributing it to Pres. Smith, who was a visitor at their home at times. Maybe it was an actual discussion that took place in their home, but it was not George Albert Smith, but some other visitor to the house. There are possible explanations other than an intent to deceive on the part of Horne.

Part of my reason for not trusting that this vision was from George Albert Smith is that he didn't write it down himself and he didn't share it with the 12 apostles or his own family members. That seems very odd to me, for a man who was serving AT THAT TIME as THE Prophet of the church to not follow protocol for a vision that he should have recognized as from God--And, if we are to trust Horne's description as accurate, George Albert Smith should have shared this with the twelve and then the church members for a sustaining vote, if the 12 accepted it as a prophetic dream. But that didn't happen and it is a valid question as to why not.