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Skousen Quote... Does anyone know the source of this?

Postby firefighter007 » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:47 am

Just received this in my email from a buddy. Just wondering if anybody on this forum knows the source of this quote... is it legit? :-?

Dr. Skousen asked President Hinckley, "What will make the gentiles repent?" And President Hinckley replied, "A plague."
The story behind the story of Dr. Skousen is very interesting and I hope will be of some benefit to others. It goes like this:
Dr. Skousen is an avid reader of the Book of Mormon. He read in 3 Nephi chapter 16 and 21 wherein the Savior says that if the Gentiles of the last days don't repent of their sins, among them being the sin of upholding secret combinations, then the remnant of the land, consisting of the lamanites, will go through the Gentiles as a lion among the beasts of the forest and they will destroy the Gentiles. But if they repent, that won't happen.
Well, Dr. Skousen composed a talk about the subject and began telling that talk about how the Lamanites and their cousins, the Mexicans, would come among the Gentiles and destroy them in the last days. And of course, with the talk among Mexican-Americans going around that they say they are going to reclaim southwest America, and call it "Aztlan," there seems to be a lot of evidence that that could happen.

Dr. Skousen told me that one day he heard that a General Authority had heard his talk and began using that talk himself. Who he was, Dr. Skousen never said. But this GA gave that talk a lot for awhile. Then, according to Dr. Skousen, President Hinckley told the GA not to give that talk anymore because that's not the scenario that will play out. President Hinckley told Dr. Skousen that he should go back and read the part in 3 Nephi 21:22 which says, "But if they will repent and hearken unto my words, and harden not their hearts...." then, to summarize, the scenario about the remnant of Jacob going through and destroying them won't happen.
So Dr. Skousen asked President Hinckley, "What will make the gentiles repent?" And President Hinckley replied, "A plague." He was told to go home and read about the plague in Section 29 of the D&C, verses 18 and 19. Then he said, read D&C 112:24-26 about how the plague shall start. Dr. Skousen firmly believed that A would never be invaded from without. However, many people seem to believe that it will have an invasion of Chinese and Russians. Only the future will tell. But this is the story Dr. Skousen told me. (Gumbo)

D&C 29
18 Wherefore, I the Lord God will send forth flies upon the face of the earth, which shall take hold of the inhabitants thereof, and shall eat their flesh, and shall cause maggots to come in upon them;
19 And their tongues shall be stayed that they shall not utter against me; and their flesh shall fall from off their bones, and their eyes from their sockets;

D&C 112
24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.
25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;
26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.
(end Quote)
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Re: Skousen Quote... Does anyone know the source of this?

Postby Lady Believer » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:44 am

Sorry, I don't know the quote. But the Book of Mormon talks about this often. And the Book of Mormon is as fine as a source as you can get.

It's just that most LDS don't believe those prophecies are talking about us.
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Postby 5tev3 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:07 am

The first time I read that story was here and I think it was told by someone who heard the story from Skousen himself. I think they may have said that they were in his gospel doctrine class or something. Ah, who knows - Mormons and their crazy rumors.

Try searching the forum for some of those key phrases. Let us know what you find out.
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Postby Rensai » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:17 pm

I've got an mp3 copy of Skousen giving a talk where he says something pretty closely to what you have posted here. I'd feel pretty comfortable saying the quote is more or less accurate if that helps. Brother Skousen served as President Hinckley's secretary for a time before he became the prophet. I'm pretty sure this is referring to a conversation with President Hinckley during that time.
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Postby 5tev3 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:44 pm

Post it!
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Postby firefighter007 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:03 pm

I have since found the source of the quote. It was Ken Bowers, author of Hiding in Plain Sight. I guess he worked with Skousen.
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Postby davedan » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:58 pm

Hasn't mankind always fallen short when it comes to "if" prophecies?
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Postby 5tev3 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:24 pm

firefighter007 wrote:I have since found the source of the quote. It was Ken Bowers, author of Hiding in Plain Sight. I guess he worked with Skousen.

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Postby BrianM » Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:14 pm

firefighter007 wrote:I have since found the source of the quote. It was Ken Bowers, author of Hiding in Plain Sight. I guess he worked with Skousen.

Yes, when I saw (Gumbo) at the end I thought it might be Ken Bowers. And yes, I do remember Ken Bowers worked for Dr. Skousen back in 2005.
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Postby Matthew.B » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:03 pm

firefighter007 wrote:Dr. Skousen asked President Hinckley, "What will make the gentiles repent?" And President Hinckley replied, "A plague."...

Well, Dr. Skousen composed a talk about the subject and began telling that talk about how the Lamanites and their cousins, the Mexicans, would come among the Gentiles and destroy them in the last days. And of course, with the talk among Mexican-Americans going around that they say they are going to reclaim southwest America, and call it "Aztlan," there seems to be a lot of evidence that that could happen.

Dr. Skousen told me that one day he heard that a General Authority had heard his talk and began using that talk himself. Who he was, Dr. Skousen never said. But this GA gave that talk a lot for awhile. Then, according to Dr. Skousen, President Hinckley told the GA not to give that talk anymore because that's not the scenario that will play out. President Hinckley told Dr. Skousen that he should go back and read the part in 3 Nephi 21:22 which says, "But if they will repent and hearken unto my words, and harden not their hearts...." then, to summarize, the scenario about the remnant of Jacob going through and destroying them won't happen.
So Dr. Skousen asked President Hinckley, "What will make the gentiles repent?" And President Hinckley replied, "A plague." He was told to go home and read about the plague in Section 29 of the D&C, verses 18 and 19. Then he said, read D&C 112:24-26 about how the plague shall start. Dr. Skousen firmly believed that A would never be invaded from without. However, many people seem to believe that it will have an invasion of Chinese and Russians. Only the future will tell. But this is the story Dr. Skousen told me. (Gumbo)
It seems to me the gist of this quote is to say that what will happen is that the "Gentiles" will repent and there will be no great destruction. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.

If that's the case, this idea- that the Gentiles will repent and forego their day of judgment- is very unlikely according to Brother Skousen's last book "Cleansing of America". I remember the (hopefully) exact quote that said "there is little hope given [in prophecy] that the Gentiles will repent", and my understanding of the sections regarding the cleansing was that some of the Gentiles will repent (this is mentioned in the BoM as well, where the Lord says if they repent they will be numbered with His church).

There are great plagues that are coming... That will surely stir some Gentiles up to repentance. But I don't fathom many modern Americans- including Mormons- turning to Christ when the system collapses.
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Postby davedan » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:15 pm

I would not be surprised if Native Americans and Mexicans will fight with the Chinese and Russians.
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Postby Zkulptor » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:27 am

davedan wrote:I would not be surprised if Native Americans and Mexicans will fight with the Chinese and Russians.

My people will protect yours :)
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Postby jcricket6048 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:27 am

Zkulptor wrote:
davedan wrote:I would not be surprised if Native Americans and Mexicans will fight with the Chinese and Russians.

My people will protect yours :)

that would be an honor to have you with us. It is a blessing that others are willing to lend a helping hand to those who seek peace in the name of the Lord and for others so it is good to hear from you that you will participate in this wonderful blessing.
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Postby Matthew.B » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:41 pm

Zkulptor wrote:
davedan wrote:I would not be surprised if Native Americans and Mexicans will fight with the Chinese and Russians.

My people will protect yours :)

The inhabitants of the Matrix will protect the Chinese and Russians...?

I missed something along the way here. :-?
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