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Bro. Horne's 1989 letter includes the detail about the devalued US currency:

"However, Pres. Smith did tell him to look specifically for teh day when the American Dollar was so worthless that no other country would allow payment in dollars, for that would signal the beginning of such a severe depression that only LDS people who had their food supplies and clothing supplies and whatever they needed for heat and to cook with would be able to survive."

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Second Great Rebellion or Chicago Quote – A. Milton Musser papers, LDS Church Archives.

This was a letter from Nephi Packard to A. Milton Musser on July 24, 1896:

“… My brother, Noah Packard, says that he heard the Prophet Joseph say that the next great (U.S. civil) war after the war of the rebellion (the Civil War of the 1860′s between the North and the South) would commence in a little town now called Chicago but at that time it would have grown to be a very large city. And another brother told me that the Prophet said that the cause of the next great trouble of the United States would be the depreciation of the currency of the United States. I believe I have given you all the facts in as short and concise manner as possible.”

Another quote regarding the Civil War itself comes from an interview by Dr. Poulson with David Whitmer, printed in the Deseret News on Friday, August 16, 1878:

Question: When will the temple be built in Independence?

Answer: Right after the great tribulation is over

Question: What do you mean by that?

Answer: A civil war more bloody and cruel than the rebellion. It will be the smashing up of this nation, about which time the second great work has to be done, a work like Joseph did, and the translation of the sealed plates and peace all over.

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One other thought that I have had regarding this prophecy.

Barakc Obama MAY not be the president referred to at all. Because if he is not eligible to be president, then from God's perspective he may not BE the president. In other words, a usurper only. I am not saying Obama is not eligibile, I am saying IF he is not, then this introduces another factor to consider when studying this prophecy.

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you may be right original intent...I've always thought of it as his mom's ancestry would fulfill his northern European ancestry..

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Is it just me?

This prophecy seems too "second-hand" for me to pay too much attention to it.

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durangout wrote:Is it just me?

This prophecy seems too "second-hand" for me to pay too much attention to it.
I agree. I need 2 or 3 witnesses that were in the same place hearing this from the Prophet. I need more than just David Horne saying his brother and Mrs. Nibley also heard this... And this anonymous source from AVOW? I take with extremely big grain of salt. Very convenient he throws in the dollar devaluation bit, considering what's going on right now. And that last paragraph from the "unknown" AVOW source just seems silly/fishy:
After recording what he could remember, my brother felt like he had left something important out, and was concerned, so since Pres. Smith was still in residence, my brother went back to him and had him read what he had written. President Smith told him that he had all that needed to be recorded, and that he now felt he had overstepped his bounds in telling my brother all that he had, and prayed that the Lord would forgive him, and that my brother should only record and tell his family the elements that needed to be kept sacred in his journal.
Perhaps I am in the dark here. Someone explain to me why I should place any weight at all on this AVOW source? And any other written, documented sources about this prophecy other than David Horne? I need much more to really give this serious thought.

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Also, another politician of Greek descent - Charlie Crist. LOL. Don't see him becoming Prez any time soon. :)

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Or Chris Christie from NJ???????????

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Elias Returns wrote:Or Chris Christie from NJ???????????
Lol, is he of greek descent? Haha... Well maybe this is all going down after Christie's 8 years, after Obama's 8 years: so, 2024. Niice. That gives me plenty of time to stockpile my guns and silver.

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I've said this before on another thread and as usual was shot down in flames. But I'll say it again. When George Albert Smith gave that prophesy, vision or dream, whatever it was, it was unthinkable that a black man could be the President of America. A black man couldn't sit next to you on the bus never mind be the President of the US. So a dark skinned man would have to be a Greek or Italian. I mean, come on, an African could never be the President, could he? And definately not a black man who was born in Africa! Surely not... =))

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iamse7en wrote:Also, another politician of Greek descent - Charlie Crist. LOL. Don't see him becoming Prez any time soon. :)
I don't either, but this is interesting.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49886.html
"Christie adviser mulls PAC"

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So, if Bob is right and "Greek" was a polite term for "black" (or even "mixed race"), could O be it? It looks like we're heading for the disaster prophesied, whether or not the dream was bona fide.

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A Random Phrase wrote:So, if Bob is right and "Greek" was a polite term for "black" (or even "mixed race"), could O be it? It looks like we're heading for the disaster prophesied, whether or not the dream was bona fide.
I would put some weight on this one as bona-fide..... I had never heard the polite term for "black" angle before..... Very interesting.

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If there is really something to the prophecy, this election and the month or two after could prove interesting....in a scary sort of way.

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In the versions I have read, another important factor is that the missiles would be withdrawn from Europe to appease the Soviets...

Obama got caught on an open mic telling the Russian ambassador to "wait after the elections to disucss the missile shield, when I'll have a little more ability to do something" (or to that effect.)

So, could go down a couple of ways - Obama gets re-elected, we have four more years before he gets replaced, in the meantime he pulls back the missiles and attempts to disarm the citizenry OR Romney wins, and between November and the inauguration Obama yanks the missiles. Personally, if Obama is The One (greek) then I suspect the first scenario is a LOT more likely. (It would be bad form for a rejected soon to be ex-president to make a huge foreign policy move like withdrawing our missiles from Europe). And I certainly don't see Obama disarming the populace within the next six months.

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OI, I don't put anything past the anointed one. He's capable of so much harm to spite the American people: I have no doubt he'd try some dirty tricks...maybe in the hopes of instituting martial law if he loses this election. Then he can remain king.

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kathyn wrote:OI, I don't put anything past the anointed one. He's capable of so much harm to spite the American people: I have no doubt he'd try some dirty tricks...maybe in the hopes of instituting martial law if he loses this election. Then he can remain king.

I find it interesting that the Dems said the same thing about Bush. The difference here is that Bush was bad - but nowhere close to this piece of work.....

I would not put it past him - Chicago-style politics and all.....

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Interesting thread ... Where can one find the "Horne" version of the prophecy?

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sonofliberty wrote:Interesting thread ... Where can one find the "Horne" version of the prophecy?
All I have found is this, which is sans the "greek" part. I would like to find the original one he passed around.

http://gods-wr.ath.cx/1/index.php/dream ... bert-smith

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Things are heating up in the Middle East. Syria and Turkey are pretty much at war. America and Israel are said to be ready to attack Iran. Russia and China will back Iran. Talk about war and rumour of wars.

One rumour I recently read on the internet is that one million Chinese soldiers are stationed in Mexico and poised to attack the southwest US. They reportedly have nuclear missles in Mexico as well. I think if war breaks out, it will not go as it has in the past. We could see the fulfulment of the prophecy.

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I did not know about Chinese soldiers being in Mexico but last month I came across a couple of youtube videos that show a train load of military tanks and then a follow up video of those exact tanks in Mexico. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNjukzD ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have been doing so much research on what is going on around the world and trying to put it in the context of the prophecies.....wish I would have just came here first. I found in other threads exactly what I have found. I also have gone through youtube videos someone uploaded from President Benson talks in the 1960's. Very interesting and in a way sad, because he mentions that he had warned us so many times and we didn't listen.....also in one of the talks he mentions when he was sect. of Agric. when he talked to a Russian leader (don't remember the name.) and he basically told Pres. Benson that we Americans are dumb and we are being fed socialism a bit at a time and one day we will wake up and be communist....wow...hitting a bit to much at home now if you ask me... I feel just horrible. We have always had food storage and tried to be as self-sufficient as possible.

I have a question....It was brought up that there will be these "refuge's" for the worthy members...so do these worthy members get told in advance where these refuge's are?

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hopeNlove wrote:I did not know about Chinese soldiers being in Mexico but last month I came across a couple of youtube videos that show a train load of military tanks and then a follow up video of those exact tanks in Mexico. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNjukzD ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have been doing so much research on what is going on around the world and trying to put it in the context of the prophecies.....wish I would have just came here first. I found in other threads exactly what I have found. I also have gone through youtube videos someone uploaded from President Benson talks in the 1960's. Very interesting and in a way sad, because he mentions that he had warned us so many times and we didn't listen.....also in one of the talks he mentions when he was sect. of Agric. when he talked to a Russian leader (don't remember the name.) and he basically told Pres. Benson that we Americans are dumb and we are being fed socialism a bit at a time and one day we will wake up and be communist....wow...hitting a bit to much at home now if you ask me... I feel just horrible. We have always had food storage and tried to be as self-sufficient as possible.

I have a question....It was brought up that there will be these "refuge's" for the worthy members...so do these worthy members get told in advance where these refuge's are?
Personally I think you must be told by the Holy Spirit.
D&C 45: 56 And at that day, when I shall come in my glory, shall the parable be fulfilled which I spake concerning the ten virgins.

57 For they that are wise and have received the truth, and have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide, and have not been deceived—verily I say unto you, they shall not be hewn down and cast into the fire, but shall abide the day.
I know others might think diferent than me on this issue but I think this scripture tells it all. Even if we are in a place of refuge we will not be able to abide his presence.

I don't know if the Chinese troops are in Mexico or not, but the rumours are sure there.

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That is what I was thinking Thomas.....Thanks. :)

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I remember very well watching General Conference in the late 70's. Elder Bruce R. McConkie said something to the effect that the power of the priesthood may be the only way to protect us "from the atomic holocaust that shall surely be". (I"m not sure if that's exactly how he said it, but it's pretty close.)

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A Random Phrase wrote:
sonofliberty wrote:Interesting thread ... Where can one find the "Horne" version of the prophecy?
All I have found is this, which is sans the "greek" part. I would like to find the original one he passed around.

http://gods-wr.ath.cx/1/index.php/dream ... bert-smith
That version mentions the Greek ancestry twice. :ymhug:

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