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"Mens Hearts Will Fail Them"

Posted: July 9th, 2010, 10:53 am
by d_no
I guess I've not put much thought into it but the other day I was sitting in Sacrament meeting and a guy was speaking about the last days. He went through a couple signs of the times and spoke of "In the last days mens hearts will fail them". From that he spoke of his uncle dying of a heart attack. I'm not sure, but when I ponder that, My thoughts are that its referring to mens faith, not their hearts literally. Thoughts??

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Posted: July 9th, 2010, 11:09 am
by Mosby
My 2 cents on this is how "afraid" everyone is these days.

Afraid of the :

terrorists
losing their job
the economy
crime
etc......etc .....etc...

Basically not living by faith and relying upon the merits of Christ to lead, guide and ultimately relying upon him to save them.

I used to be a "fearfull" person, but I noticed when I stopped paying so much attention the the fear-based news and t.v - I saw the world in a whole new light. - And it didn't look so scary!

That's my take- most people are very fearful- and why are they that way?

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Posted: July 9th, 2010, 11:13 am
by Original_Intent
I agree with you. I have thought of the literal interpretation as well - my father passed away due to heart failure a few months ago - but what I think it means is that men will be too attached to "living" amd going with the flow - no one will take the necessary risks to stand on principle (I should not say no one, but relatively few). We are living in a society where standing on principle is seen as a bad thing - too divisive, or hateful, or judgmental, etc. And people have been so thoroughly conditioned to go with the crowd and not make waves - I think it is referrring to things of that nature, i.e. cowardice (and more of being laughed at than of anything) that is being referred to.

edit: great post Mosby - I agree!

Re: "Mens Hearts Will Fail Them"

Posted: July 9th, 2010, 11:17 am
by Col. Flagg

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Posted: July 9th, 2010, 4:32 pm
by ktg
I've notice that an extremely large number of scriptures have dual meanings. It could mean both.

Re: "Mens Hearts Will Fail Them"

Posted: July 9th, 2010, 5:33 pm
by An Eye Single
Elder Holland suggests a meaning at the beginning of his talk "Safety for the Soul" in last October's General Conference.

http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/ ... 28,00.html

What an amazing talk. Gotta love Elder Holland. :D

Re: "Mens Hearts Will Fail Them"

Posted: July 10th, 2010, 6:23 pm
by Like
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Posted: July 11th, 2010, 12:48 am
by Chip
I've thought about this verse a lot lately. It seems to me that this is already shaping up to be - that men's hearts are failing them - because the specter of the future looks increasingly bleak and will not accommodate the usual ambitions. If you're into living the gospel, you're not so prone to this failure of heart, but if you only see your existence in this world, and you see the economy/government becoming too corrupted for new business ventures to succeed, the people being too deceived to change things, etc, then there is an ever-diminishing hope for improving your lot. All extrapolation leads to an abyss. I think this is what it means: Worldy ambitions are frustrated, terminally.

Re: "Mens Hearts Will Fail Them"

Posted: July 11th, 2010, 11:56 am
by ready2prepare
Hi y'all:

Here's a little piece I wrote earlier this year that may be
relevant to this discussion:
http://prepperupper.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... pirit.html

  • Are YOU Prepared? Ask Your Heart...

    Most people think of "preparedness" as a state of
    mind, a state of finances, or a state of readiness
    achieved through storing food and supplies for
    emergencies, Although all of these are important,
    preparedness is first and foremost a state of the heart.

    We live today in an age of fear: fear of terrorism -
    fear of nuclear war - fear of business failure - fear
    of job loss and/or failed relationships - fear of another
    stock market crash - fear of having our privacy invaded
    - fear of drought, flood, climate change, environmental
    and natural disasters - fears for our safety and the
    safety of our children - and the list goes on.

    You probably already know that fear is bad for the
    heart. It causes a rapid heartbeat which, over time,
    can make a weak heart fail. Even the Bible makes
    mention of "men's hearts failing them for fear"
    (Luke 21:26) in times like we see today.


    Will all the knowledge, wealth, food and survival
    gear in the world really be of much use to someone
    whose heart is full of fear? I don't think so.

    Maybe it's time to put first things first... to make
    the development of a strong, healthy heart the
    first priority in getting prepared for whatever the
    future may bring.

    How much easier is it to learn what we need to
    learn, to work hard, earn money, and acquire
    whatever we need in order to survive hard times
    (whatever the cause) when our hearts are in
    good shape!

    If you're sitting down, take a moment right now
    to check your pulse. Is it slow or rapid? What
    does that tell you about the current state of your
    heart? Are you satisfied with the results?

    If not, consider this: Fear weakens the heart.
    Faith strengthens it.
    How strong is YOUR faith?
    Let your heart tell you. It knows...


Best Regards,
Sharon in Mississippi

Re: "Mens Hearts Will Fail Them"

Posted: July 11th, 2010, 4:11 pm
by Dagnystar
Immediately upon reading "mens hearts will fail them", I thought about this:

A lot of people are turned from the gospel, or never feel the need to investigate, because they feel that they have embraced (Christian) values without accepting religion. They are genuinely compassionate and caring, involved in their communities, and feel a deep exuberance for life (perhaps because they feel that the temporal axis is all that there is). So in a sense, their hearts--full of good intentions--fail them in the last days, because they identify the gospel with oh so many toxic institutionalized religions, thus rejecting Christ as their savior. (My family falls into this category. I'll totally elaborate if anyone is into it.)

Re: "Mens Hearts Will Fail Them"

Posted: July 12th, 2010, 1:52 pm
by Col. Flagg
Sad...

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-be ... 35489.html

At least the baby survived. :D

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Posted: July 12th, 2010, 5:28 pm
by wolfman
D&C 88:9 - And all things shall be in commotion; and surely, men’s hearts shall fail them; for fear shall come upon all people. I have never interpreted this scripture to mean 'heart attacks.'

Re: "Mens Hearts Will Fail Them"

Posted: April 22nd, 2016, 9:56 pm
by Sunain
The suicide rate in the United States has reached a 30 year high. This is one way that man's hearts are failing them, a fulfillment of prophesy. Many of the articles seem to indicate it's due to economic hardship. I can understand their frustration these days but the members of the church and the church welfare system is there to help out in times of need.

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As evidenced by the violence, atrocities, wars, famine, devastation, and destructive forces of nature reported by the media each day, we are obviously living in the time of great confusion predicted by the Lord when he said, “And in that day … the whole earth shall be in commotion, and men’s hearts shall fail them” (D&C 45:26). When men’s hearts fail, deep anxieties ensue that can cause us to lose self-confidence, which is vital to our success. Ours is a time when the loving support of friends and associates is critical.
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Posted: April 22nd, 2016, 11:36 pm
by BTH&T
As I've contemplated this, two things come to mind.

1) Fear, men will fear and panic. Nothing good happens when you panic and react.
You want to have faith and be prepared so as to "act" as God would desire of you.

2) The other is similar. Mans desires, and will to do good, and love others leaves them.
They "give up", becoming more selfish (more is hard to imagine) more oblivious to others needs.

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Posted: April 23rd, 2016, 12:28 am
by Older/wiser?
My thoughts on this, we haven't yet seen the many tribulations that will bring this about ,read D&C 88 and get a context of this Start with verse 87 for not many days hence and the earth shall tremble and reel to and fro as a drunken man; and the sun shall hide his face, and shall refuse to give light; and the moon shall be bathed in blood ; and the stars shall become exceedingly angry, and shall cast themselves down as a fig that falleth from off a fig -tree. 89 For after your testimony cometh the testimony of earthquakes, that shall cause groanings in the midst of her , and men shall fall upon the ground and shall not be able to stand..90 And also cometh the testimony of the voice of thunderings, and the voice of Lightnings , and the voice of tempests, and the voice of the waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds. 91 And all things shall be in commotion; and surely, men's
Hearts shall fail them; for fear shall come upon all people.
So though I believe we are beginning to see the start of the elements testifing, we have yet to see on a scale this refers to as men's hearts failing them.. Mathew 25 : 5 While the bridegroom tarried they All slumbered and Slept..if we want to have our hearts not fail us may I suggest we waken to our awfully situation and sure up our individual testimonies of
Our Savior Jesus Christ .

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Posted: April 23rd, 2016, 5:17 pm
by Spaced_Out
I was reading this week a non LDS (evangelical Christian) on preparing for the tribulations - he used the scriptures saying we need to fear, and I agree with him. Fear is a good things we just need to take the emotion and channel our energies in the right direction. If you have no fear you are living in an unrealistic dream world.
Hebrews 11:7
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
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The U.S. suicide rate has increased sharply since the turn of the century, led by an even greater rise among middle-aged white people, particularly women, according to federal data released Friday.
Last decade’s severe recession, more drug addiction, “gray divorce,” increased social isolation, and even the rise of the Internet and social media may have contributed to the growth in suicide, according to a variety of people who study the issue.
But economic distress — and dashed hopes generally — may underpin some of the increase, particularly for middle-aged white people. The data showed a 1 percent annual increase in suicide between 1999 and 2006 but a 2 percent yearly hike after that, as the economy deteriorated, unemployment skyrocketed and millions lost their homes.....

“People [were] growing up with a certain expectation . . . and the Great Recession and other things have really changed that,” said Julie A. Phillips, a professor of sociology at Rutgers University who studies the demography of suicide. “Things aren’t panning out the way people expect. I feel for sure that has had an effect.”
The U.S. homicide rate is also down: There are more than two suicides for every homicide. Among whites, there are more than seven suicides for every slaying.....
Overall, the new data show, the age-adjusted suicide rate in the United States jumped 24 percent between 1999 and 2014, from 10.5 per 100,000 people to 13 per 100,000 people. The rate increased for both sexes and in all age groups from 10 to 74. The pace has continued into the first two quarters of 2015, separate data show.
Among white women ages 45 to 64, for example, the suicide rate jumped 80 percent, from 7 per 100,000 in 1999 to 12.6 per 100,000 in 2014.
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Posted: April 23rd, 2016, 7:00 pm
by BTH&T
Spaced_Out wrote:I was reading this week a non LDS (evangelical Christian) on preparing for the tribulations - he used the scriptures saying we need to fear, and I agree with him. Fear is a good things we just need to take the emotion and channel our energies in the right direction. If you have no fear you are living in an unrealistic dream world.
Hebrews 11:7
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Key part, BY FAITH Noah "moved with fear". Fear of not following God, He had Faith in doing right.

Any fear one has shows a lack of faith, we should be striving to replace fear with faith, working to a perfect knowledge.

One of my favorite scriptures is 2 Kings 6:16
And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.

From this I know that when I have God on my side, it's all taken care off.

Fear should not be a desired attribute, "Faith" is what we use to get us to that better place.

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Posted: April 23rd, 2016, 8:22 pm
by dauser
Socialism is not a victim-less crime.

Socialism kills men to feed government dependees.

Legally a man is a CORPORATE FICTION, a dead man.

As government succeeds, grows in might, power, masculinity and majesty...a man does the reverse and fails.

Government and the banking cartel over governments do not need any resistance from real men.

Christ was a real man, threatening the establishment, was stabbed in the heart by agents of the government and the psychos who pull it's strings.

I feel for the little boys, all vaxed and starting Kindergarten, at the great and spacious building/tree of knowledge. When they go on missions they are going to be needing antidepressants and anti-psychotics, they are so damaged.

Re: "Mens Hearts Will Fail Them"

Posted: April 23rd, 2016, 9:01 pm
by Spaced_Out
BTH&T wrote:Any fear one has shows a lack of faith, we should be striving to replace fear with faith, working to a perfect knowledge.
Fear should not be a desired attribute, "Faith" is what we use to get us to that better place.
Get wisdom, fear the Lord, it is an attribute we need to develop. Those that say there is no G_d and have no fear of judgement are the most dangerous people.

What causes depression is sin/inequity, and loss of hope in Christ. This is the key scripture that solved the meaning of "Mens Hears Will fail Them" Moroni 10:22 And if ye have no hope ye must needs be in despair; and despair cometh because of iniquity....

Psalms 22:23
23 Ye that fear the Lord, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
Fear G_d, fear to do evil, fear sin.

Psalms 111:10
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.


8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

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Posted: October 17th, 2022, 3:57 pm
by LostCreekAcres
Have been thinking about this of late with all the heart issues from being impaled. As is usually the case, the scriptures seem to have many multiple layers to them. I believe we are seeing this.

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Posted: October 17th, 2022, 4:03 pm
by Lizzy60
LostCreekAcres wrote: October 17th, 2022, 3:57 pm Have been thinking about this of late with all the heart issues from being impaled. As is usually the case, the scriptures seem to have many multiple layers to them. I believe we are seeing this.
I was listening to a speaker talking about the book of Revelation and he said that many curses he always believed were symbolic are now becoming literal. This is one of them.

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Posted: October 17th, 2022, 4:03 pm
by Subcomandante
I'm thinking there could be many different interpretations of this.

Literal:

Increase of heart problems after reception of MR. NA :;|:::>

Figurative:

Constant bad news and repeated trials and tribulations causes men's hearts to wax cold against God.
Bad examples within organized religion (including our own) cause many to turn away from the ordinances.
Political opposition to the point where people want you dead because you exhibit an opinion contrary to popular belief, and that silences you.
Losing other things such as jobs or source of livelihood due to political opposition.
Bad examples in a role model that you followed that disappointed you.

Solution in all of this:

Turn to God. Turn to Jesus Christ.

Re: "Mens Hearts Will Fail Them"

Posted: October 17th, 2022, 4:15 pm
by LostCreekAcres
"Constant bad news and repeated trials and tribulations causes men's hearts to wax cold against God." -- and others. Was discussing this with friends the other day.

Who are those that go to the Telestial Kingdom? From the Joseph Smith Papers...
those “who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus,” along with “liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers,” would inherit the Telestial kingdom.

To me that would be Hell. That's what it feels like we are living through now. Who can you trust (save Jesus Christ)? You begin to question everything you thought you ever knew about everything! You begin to wax cold toward all mankind. You don't know who to trust. Hard to be charitable toward mankind when you don't trust them. Ugh.

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Posted: January 15th, 2023, 10:06 am
by LdsMarco
d_no wrote: July 9th, 2010, 10:53 am I guess I've not put much thought into it but the other day I was sitting in Sacrament meeting and a guy was speaking about the last days. He went through a couple signs of the times and spoke of "In the last days mens hearts will fail them". From that he spoke of his uncle dying of a heart attack. I'm not sure, but when I ponder that, My thoughts are that its referring to mens faith, not their hearts literally. Thoughts??
We are now experiencing so many sudden deaths. Especially their hearts failing. Thought-provoking.

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Posted: January 15th, 2023, 10:36 am
by BeNotDeceived
LdsMarco wrote: January 15th, 2023, 10:06 am
d_no wrote: July 9th, 2010, 10:53 am I guess I've not put much thought into it but the other day I was sitting in Sacrament meeting and a guy was speaking about the last days. He went through a couple signs of the times and spoke of "In the last days mens hearts will fail them". From that he spoke of his uncle dying of a heart attack. I'm not sure, but when I ponder that, My thoughts are that its referring to mens faith, not their hearts literally. Thoughts??
We are now experiencing so many sudden deaths. Especially their hearts failing. Thought-provoking.
Vaxtards. :lol: