Nibiru

[Bronco73idi]

In this thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=45760 LDS Physician has some interesting quotes about What could be next in the timeline, i e blood flowing thru the streets. After blood flowing thru the streets it could be the great quake, i.e. D&C 133. If we see something on Aug 23rd do you think that could be the straw that broke the camels back and cause blood flowing thru the streets or civil war?

I personally hope nothing happens and get to view the perfected solar eclipse from a perfect spot on my patio in Salem, Or

[Alaris]

This is the best case I've ever heard for Nibiru, though I don't see how this gentleman thinks it will collide with Jupiter. This ties into the 9/23 sign of the Jupiter (called Tzedek or righteousness by the Jews) being born to Virgo with Leo as her crown plus Venus, Mars, and Mercury comprising the 10th 11th and 12th "stars" of the crown prophesied in Revelation 12. He starts talking about Nibiru about 15 minutes in, but the whole video is worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp4u-9EH1MQ

The author makes a good case for Nibiru being the source of a 3 hour eclipse and the earthquake (perhaps the 3 days of darkness and earth changes in the Americas as well if this person had the fullness.)

There will be earth changes again, and the sun shall be darkened and the moon turn to blood.

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

The dragon is also a great wonder - but none of the software emulations seem to predict it.

The dragon was ready to devour the man child, but the child was caught up. The computer simulations of 9/23 show that jupiter continues to move away from Virgo, and the Sun, Venus, and Mercury all chase Jupiter down and each eclipse Jupiter while Mars is left behind for some reason. If there were another anomaly in the heavens that Jupiter is speeding towards and the two "stars" and our sun eclipse Jupiter first then this could all be a celestial fulfillment while a likeness occurs on earth.

This link shows the 3 celestial objects "chasing" down Jupiter immediately after Jupiter is "Born." I've linked the video at 3 minutes 21 seconds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot0cPU9MIOQ#t=03m21s

JST Revelation 12:1

1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven, in the likeness of things on the earth; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.

A celestial anomaly could account for this as well:

Revelation 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Though we often equate Rev 12:4 with the war in heaven, Revelation 8:12 also references the third part of the stars and could be providing more detail of the same celestial event. That sounds very similar to what happened in the ancient Americas but perhaps on a lesser scale. If there were debris or gas or something in the heavens dimming the sun, moon, stars so that their light shines only at 66 % of what was....causing 33 percent less daylight ...

[AI2.0]

Do some of you take this Niburu stuff seriously? It apparently came from the over active imagination of a woman who thinks she talks to little grey extraterrestrials.

[Alaris]

Do some of you take this Niburu stuff seriously? It apparently came from the over active imagination of a woman who thinks she talks to little grey extraterrestrials.

Haha thanks AI2.0. Mockery is always great. Take a look at that first video. The guy makes a pretty good case that there was a celestial anomaly at the time of Christ. The Red Dragon is a great wonder that follows or appears around the same time as the woman with a crown of 12 stars...this could quite possibly be something new.

[capctr]

What did Joseph say about the sign of the Son of Man? Something about people calling it a comet or planet? I dunno.
I don't buy into any Nibiru nonsense on YouTube(or anything spirituality related on that site).

[Alaris]

What did Joseph say about the sign of the Son of Man? Something about people calling it a comet or planet? I dunno.
I don't buy into any Nibiru nonsense on YouTube(or anything spirituality related on that site).

The quote was waaaay back on page 1 of this thread:

then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven [see D&C 88:93]. But what will the world do? They will say it is a planet, a comet, etc. But the Son of Man will come as the sign of the coming of the Son of Man, which will be as the light of the morning cometh out of the east.” (History of the Church, 5:336–37

So...you believe Joseph Smith but not that this quote could be a hidden celestial anomaly even though scientists admit that the majority of mass in our galaxy is undetectable?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

In other words, scientists can't explain ~ 90 percent of what's out there but you can go ahead and say what it isnt'? :ymhug:

[thaabit]

I don't buy into any Nibiru nonsense on YouTube(or anything spirituality related on that site).

? It sounds like you dismiss everything on Youtube... It's just a medium, brother. Do you dismiss the conference talks posted there?

[capctr]

I don't buy into any Nibiru nonsense on YouTube(or anything spirituality related on that site).

? It sounds like you dismiss everything on Youtube... It's just a medium, brother. Do you dismiss the conference talks posted there?

Only the ones given by Julie ;)

[AI2.0]

Do some of you take this Niburu stuff seriously? It apparently came from the over active imagination of a woman who thinks she talks to little grey extraterrestrials.

Haha thanks AI2.0. Mockery is always great. Take a look at that first video. The guy makes a pretty good case that there was a celestial anomaly at the time of Christ. The Red Dragon is a great wonder that follows or appears around the same time as the woman with a crown of 12 stars...this could quite possibly be something new.

I'm not mocking, I'm sincerely wondering if you haven't looked into this 'Niburu' thing to find out who started it all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm

The idea of the Nibiru encounter originated with Nancy Lieder, a Wisconsin woman who claims that as a girl she was contacted by gray extraterrestrials called Zetas, who implanted a communications device in her brain. In 1995, she founded the website ZetaTalk to disseminate her ideas.[7] Lieder first came to public attention on Internet newsgroups during the build-up to Comet Hale–Bopp's 1997 perihelion. She stated, claiming to speak as the Zetas,[8] that "The Hale–Bopp comet does not exist. It is a fraud, perpetrated by those who would have the teeming masses quiescent until it is too late. Hale–Bopp is nothing more than a distant star, and will draw no closer."[9] She claimed that the Hale–Bopp story was manufactured to distract people from the imminent arrival of a large planetary object, "Planet X", which would soon pass by Earth and destroy civilization.[9] After Hale–Bopp's perihelion revealed it as one of the brightest and longest-observed comets of the last century,[10] Lieder removed the first two sentences of her initial statement from her site, though they can still be found in Google's archives.[9] Her claims eventually made the New York Times.[11]

Lieder described Planet X as roughly four times the size of the Earth, and said that its closest approach would occur on May 27, 2003, resulting in the Earth's rotation ceasing for exactly 5.9 terrestrial days. This would be followed by the Earth's pole destabilising in a pole shift (a physical pole shift, with the Earth's pole physically moving, rather than a geomagnetic reversal) caused by magnetic attraction between the Earth's core and the magnetism of the passing planet. This in turn would disrupt the Earth's magnetic core and lead to subsequent displacement of the Earth's crust.[12]

After Lieder, the first person to propagate her Planet X idea was Mark Hazlewood, a former member of the ZetaTalk community, who in 2001 published a book titled Blindsided: Planet X Passes in 2003. Lieder would later accuse him of being a confidence trickster.[13] A Japanese cult called the Pana Wave Laboratory, which blocked off roads and rivers with white cloths to protect itself from electromagnetic attacks, also warned that the world would end in May 2003 after the approach of a tenth planet.[14]

Roughly a week before the supposed arrival of Planet X in May 2003, Lieder appeared on KROQ-FM radio in Los Angeles, and advised listeners to euthanize their pets in anticipation of the event as she had done.[15] This led the Fortean Times to conclude that she had put down her dog(s) to save them from further suffering during the Pole Shift.[16] Later, in a 2004 interview she said that she had euthanized her dog because it was acting aggressively.[17] After the 2003 date passed without incident, Lieder said that it was merely a "white lie ... to fool the establishment."[18] She refused to disclose the true date, saying that to do so would give those in power enough time to declare martial law and trap people in cities during the shift, leading to their deaths.[19] Though Lieder herself has not specified a new date for the object's return, many groups have taken up her idea and cited their own dates. One frequently cited date was December 21, 2012. This date had many apocalyptic associations, as it was the end of a cycle (baktun) in the long count in the Mayan calendar. Several writers published books connecting the encounter with 2012.[20] Despite that date having passed, many websites still contend that Nibiru/Planet X is en route to Earth.[21]

In 2012, Lieder claimed that U.S. President Barack Obama futilely attempted to announce the presence of Nibiru near the sun.[22] After 2012, she claimed that several world leaders had intended to announce the presence of Nibiru near the sun on October 20, 2014. Two weeks after the supposed date of announcement, she claimed that it did not occur because of consternation amongst the establishment.[23]

I don't trust the sources for some of this stuff that gets spread around and people attempt to give it legitimacy.

[Alaris]

Cool. The point of my post is there is a lot out there we don't know, and planets or objects coming near our planet could explain earthquakes and major land changes both in scripture and in prophecy.

[iWriteStuff]

Cool. The point of my post is there is a lot out there we don't know, and planets or objects coming near our planet could explain earthquakes and major land changes both in scripture and in prophecy.

It's ok - the world's leading astronomers are on the case:

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FWIW I'm not sure we will truly understand how this prophecy is to be fulfilled until it is.

[BTH&T]

I just don't see how it fits into known prophecy. A planet striking our planet would completely and fully destroy all life which I don't think fits well with the earth's future. And I echo what was said above: you can't hide a planet from all the astronomers of the world.

I do not think that all is true with this, but I recommend a look at "planet 7x", it is all about connecting to past and future spiritual events!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0bPCteA5a0

D&C 45:38-43

Even so it shall be in that day when they shall see all these things, then shall they know that the hour is nigh.
And it shall come to pass that he that feareth me shall be looking forth for the great day of the Lord to come, even for the signs of the coming of the Son of Man.
And they shall see signs and wonders, for they shall be shown forth in the heavens above, and in the earth beneath.
And they shall behold blood, and fire, and vapors of smoke.
And before the day of the Lord shall come, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon be turned into blood, and the stars fall from heaven.
And the remnant shall be gathered unto this place;

Joseph Smith said we would all look to the Heavens and see a great sign.
www.lds.org/manual/teachings-joseph-smi ... 1?lang=eng

There really is much to sort through, but we should be looking!

[Bronco73idi]

Ooooo a sign in heaven, like September 23rd 2017??? When is the last time we had an orchestrated sign in heaven? The lord's birth???

[gkearney]

Ooooo a sign in heaven, like September 23rd 2017??? When is the last time we had an orchestrated sign in heaven? The lord's birth???

Solar eclipse happen all the time and are perfectly predicatable. So too is the fact that the paths of totality cross but more often that happens in the middle of the ocean.

[Sunain]

Forget Planet 9—there’s Evidence of a Tenth Planet Lurking at the Edge of the Solar System

Newsweek - By Hannah Osborne On 6/23/17 at 10:43 AM
A Mars-sized planet appears to be lurking at the edge of the solar system, scientists have announced. The “planetary mass object” seems to be disrupting the orbits of other, smaller rocky bodies within the Kuiper Belt—a disc-shaped region of icy bodies beyond Neptune that encircles the whole solar system and extends around 2.3 billion miles.

This “planetary mass object” is different from the hypothetical Planet Nine—a huge object believed to be orbiting the sun from the outer solar system. Evidence for this planet was announced in 2016, when scientists from Caltech, California, found several objects with highly unusual orbits. These orbits could, however, be explained by the existence of a giant planet with a mass about 10 times that of Earth.

Celestial objects are drawn into the orbits of larger bodies: All the planets in the solar system orbit the Sun and the moon orbits Earth. So when astronomers find bodies that are not orbiting in the way they should be, it suggests something else is influencing them.

In a study submitted for publication in the Astronomical Journal, a team of scientists presented evidence of a planetary body sitting on the edges of the Kuiper Belt. Kat Volk and Renu Malhotra, from the University of Arizona, analyzed the tilt angles and orbits of over 600 Kuiper Belt objects (KBOs).

While I don't subscribe to the whole Nibiru history and theory, it appears we still don't even know everything about our own solar system.

[Bronco73idi]

Ooooo a sign in heaven, like September 23rd 2017??? When is the last time we had an orchestrated sign in heaven? The lord's birth???

Solar eclipse happen all the time and are perfectly predicatable. So too is the fact that the paths of totality cross but more often that happens in the middle of the ocean.

??? Solar eclipse is august 23 2017. Living in Salem Oregon I'll have a perfect view of it. That's not September 23 2017

[Alaris]

Wow @ the timing of this discovery.

http://www.newsweek.com/planet-10-lurki ... tem-628517

[brianj]

Wow @ the timing of this discovery.

http://www.newsweek.com/planet-10-lurki ... tem-628517

According to that article planetary scientists believe that an undiscovered object is out there. According to the abstract of the paper there are several possible explanations for observed disturbances of Kuiper Belt objects, only one of which is an undiscovered planet.

If anybody is interested in reading this paper, or if you have read papers in the past and would be excited to see LaTeX finally has a font newer than the 1940s, the paper is available online for free at: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.02444.pdf

[BeNotDeceived]

Ooooo a sign in heaven, like September 23rd 2017??? When is the last time we had an orchestrated sign in heaven? The lord's birth???

Solar eclipse happen all the time and are perfectly predicatable. So too is the fact that the paths of totality cross but more often that happens in the middle of the ocean.

... Carbondale and its Southern Illinois University partner adopting the tagline “Eclipse Crossroads of America.” We’ll just split the difference and give Jackson County the bragging rights. ... https://nationaleclipse.wordpress.com/2 ... ven-years/

Jackson County Illinois

Davedan had an interesting thread about this. Edit = found it = viewtopic.php?f=1&t=45677&p=786706#p786706

[Bronco73idi]

More supporting info about another heavenly body in our solar system; Darkness at the time of the lord's crucifixion.

The Greek writer Phlegon reported that:

"However in the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad, an eclipse of the sun happened, greater and more excellent than any that had happened before it; at the sixth hour day turned into dark night, so that the stars were seen in the sky, and an earthquake in Bithynia toppled many buildings of the city of Nicaea."[2]

If you research Phlegon quote about this you will find anywhere from November 24, 29 CE to 32 CE and lastly 33 AD. The first date Nov 24 can't be right because the author stated "fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad" no month there.

On November 24, 29 CE (first year of the 202nd Olympiad) The only total eclipse visible in Jerusalem at 11:05 AM. Around the Sea of Galilee, it would have been visible for just one minute and forty-nine seconds, and would have been apparent only to those indoors.[37]

The fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad translates to the Julian calendar July 1st 32 AD - Jun 30th 33 AD. So the papers that I found that use CE were way off and were written without a religious agenda, but they lacked the whole story! Is this how the progressives of the world justify facts? Living in the world today and reading my statement " were written without a religious agenda" you would think those were the good/correct papers.

Two websites writings that I like about this;
http://www.oxfordbiblechurch.co.uk/inde ... ed-shining
http://creationanswers.net/biblical/crucifixiondate.htm

Reading these 2 links you will learn their opinion about the date and time of the lord's crucifixion. Being the lord's crucifixion was at Passover we know the moon is behind the earth (full moon) so what cause the sun to darken but the sky to be clear enough to see the stars? A heavenly body that was between the earth and the sun or just the power of god to shut the sun down? I think that every thing can be explained with the laws of the universe or more importantly God's laws. Just like the parting of the red sea, the wind blew all night before it parted. It happened with the command of his prophet but it still followed God's laws of nature.

Another good read about 3 hours of darkness;
http://taylormarshall.com/2009/04/three ... n-was.html

2. Eusebius, Chronicle (Chronicon), Book II
37. Kidger, Mark (October 18, 1999). The Star of Bethlehem. Princeton University Press. pp. 70–71. ISBN 0-691-05823-7.

[Matchmaker]

3 hours of darkness at the time of Christ's crucifixion in Jerusalem almost 2000 years ago

3 hours of darkness over Jerusalem on 9/23/17 due to the eclipse on Shabbat Shuva Sabbath of Return

I don't believe it is a coincidence, but I am not sure what the sign in the Heavens means to us yet. Perhaps the time of the gentiles is coming to an end and the gospel will soon be taken to the Jews.

[Matchmaker]

A while back when I looked into info about Nibiru, it mostly looked like a bunch of phony baloney Sitchin nonsense. Then i found this article by a professor well versed in Cuneiform and I liked his idea better... take a look
http://www.michaelsheiser.com/nibirupage.htm

The Sumerians were an incredibly advanced people who lived and flourished in the area of Iraq about 5500 years ago, 500 years after the time of Adam. If they said on their recovered clay tablets that there is an extra planet in our solar system that we have not discovered yet and that it makes an elliptical trip around the sun once every 3600 years, I would cast my vote with them and start looking for the planet.

[dafty]

3 hours of darkness at the time of Christ's crucifixion in Jerusalem almost 2000 years ago

3 hours of darkness over Jerusalem on 9/23/17 due to the eclipse on Shabbat Shuva Sabbath of Return

I don't believe it is a coincidence, but I am not sure what the sign in the Heavens means to us yet. Perhaps the time of the gentiles is coming to an end and the gospel will soon be taken to the Jews.

sorry for my ignorance, but could you clue me up on the 3 hours of darkness over jerusalem this september? thanx

[Alaris]

3 hours of darkness at the time of Christ's crucifixion in Jerusalem almost 2000 years ago

3 hours of darkness over Jerusalem on 9/23/17 due to the eclipse on Shabbat Shuva Sabbath of Return

I don't believe it is a coincidence, but I am not sure what the sign in the Heavens means to us yet. Perhaps the time of the gentiles is coming to an end and the gospel will soon be taken to the Jews.

I totally agree that 9/23/17 may mark the end of the time of the gentiles. I'm working on another article that talks about this a bit. There are a lot of people here that believe the second coming will occur at or near 2033-2034 which does make some sense if our calendar is accurate. 17 is about half of the age of the Savior at this death, which may or may not be another coincidence. A micro-meridian if you will.

Like dafty, the 3 hours of darkness is new to me as well - do you have a link or reference? Thank you!

:ymhug:

[Bronco73idi]

The longest solar eclipse possible is 7.5 minutes. So you aren't ignorant drafty lol. I have no idea what matchmaker is talking about and I'm curious as well