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Lundbaek, as always I appreciate your clarity and insight on these important matters. You confirm my own political beliefs, it's nice to know I'm not alone. Thanks

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The question at the end of the lesson "In what ways have you seen that "the war that began in heaven ...is not yet over?" does not seem to be answered or explained. Odds are 50-50 I'll be the one to lead discussion on that lesson in our HP group. I'd like to get my act together in good time, which is why I am soliciting thoughts and suggestions from you folks.

I believe we LDS people are under obligation to figure out what is severing the threads of the Constitution and oppose what and who ever within the bounds of the laws of God.

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When we were all in heaven we fought against Lucifer and he was kicked out of heaven. Thing is, he was banished to the very planet we live on, so we still have to fight him all of our days.
Satan, known as Lucifer, has successfully gotten away with getting people to see good as evil and evil as good. Because of this too many people look at evil as no big thing as long as the carnal desires of man can be satisfied. The list of these carnal desires is so lengthy that it is hard to write them all down, abortion, gay and lesbian lifestyle, legalized drugs being among them.
When righteousness and God are taken out of society we are left with children of Satan; people willing to do Satan's bidding thinking they are the ones that came up with the ideas.
Upholders and defenders of the Constitution are in the minority now, I conclude. Could be wrong, but had there been a massive amount of patriots willing to stand against tyranny and socialist views, they might have done what the Declaration of Independence says is our duty...to abolish bad government and put in new guards for our security. Everything that could have been done to stop this flood of socialism and Satanic policies is all but gone because of people wanting their carnal desires satisfied. They don't want God in their way and therefore kick him aside. Satan laughs.

WE NEED GOD BACK IN SOCIETY for obvious reasons. Many, many LDS's follow Satan's plan as well without giving heed to what God thinks about their behavior.

We have been warned that once freedom is lost, it will take BLOOD to get it back, for it was shedding of blood that got us freedom in the first place. God gave us this land, provided a Constitutional government by men he raised up and told us that if we will keep his commandments, no power on earth can take it away. We Americans are giving it away from within. God weeps.

But some day God will let his wrath sweep wickedness from off the face of this land, and when he does, the ones thinking they are righteous...better be! God knows the righteous, we only see the outer person.

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lundbaek wrote:The question at the end of the lesson "In what ways have you seen that "the war that began in heaven ...is not yet over?" does not seem to be answered or explained. Odds are 50-50 I'll be the one to lead discussion on that lesson in our HP group. I'd like to get my act together in good time, which is why I am soliciting thoughts and suggestions from you folks.

I believe we LDS people are under obligation to figure out what is severing the threads of the Constitution and oppose what and who ever within the bounds of the laws of God.
Pardon me if I’m wrong but I think what your asking is: what signs is there that indicates that we are going to win the ongoing war in heaven. Moonwhim recently posted an article by Chuck Baldwin entitled “It’s not over” wherein he says there are 5 signs that show liberty still has a chance and we shouldn’t loose hope. I quote:
1. I believe God is still honoring the faith, courage, commitment, and sacrifice of America’s Founding Fathers. If God would bless Old Testament Israel for the sake of Abraham, Moses, and David, I believe He would bless the United States for the sake of George Washington, Patrick Henry, and Samuel Adams.

From the days of the Pilgrims through the days of the Patriots, several generations of men and women were willing to pay, many times, a horrific price for liberty. There is no doubt in my mind that these modern generations of Americans are still clipping the coupons from the extraordinary faith and courage of our forebears.

2. More than one hundred million American citizens possess over three hundred million firearms. And a good percentage of these people not only possess a gun; they possess the mental, emotional, and spiritual resolve to use those weapons against any government that would seek to take them. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the deeply-rooted heritage of the American people to keep and bear arms has been largely responsible for the preservation of whatever liberties we have left. Without a heavily-armed populace within this country, there is absolutely no doubt that America (and the rest of the “free world”) would have been totally enslaved decades ago.

3. The Internet. For all of the baloney, malarkey, and rubbish that can be found on the Internet, there is absolutely no question that the Internet has very successfully circumvented and shattered the monopoly of the government shills of the mainstream media. For all intents and purposes, the Internet is to America today what the “Committees of Correspondence” were to Colonial America.

Many are even predicting that the major television news networks will be out of business within the next couple or three decades--as will many of America’s newspapers. CNN was once a cable dynasty; now it is barely broadcasting. MSNBC’s ratings are so poor that its days are also numbered. And while FOX NEWS is currently enjoying the zenith of its existence, more people are getting their news and newsworthy information from the Internet than from all of the above combined. For all of its negatives, the Internet is a huge net positive for freedom.

4. There is still a host, and I mean a huge host, of liberty-loving people in this country who have not (and will never) accept the shackles of tyranny around their hearts. Big-Government toadies can impugn them all they want, but people such as Ron Paul, Judge Andrew Napolitano, Senator Mike Lee, Congressman Justin Amash, and millions like them, are keeping the torch of liberty burning.

The media would have us believe that old-fashioned, red-blooded freedomists have gone the way of the Brontosaurus. Or, that if any do yet exist, their numbers are so small as to be placed on the list of endangered species. Don’t you believe it!

In every occupation and vocation--including in our U.S. military and federal police agencies--in virtually every village and hamlet dotted across the fruited plain, and in every age bracket, reside innumerable freedom-loving Americans in whose hearts the love of liberty reigns. Before the chains of tyranny can be placed around a person’s neck, they must first be placed around their hearts. And the people I’m talking about will NEVER allow those chains to be placed around their hearts.

5. I believe the curtain has not completely dropped on liberty in this country because of the grace and sovereignty of our Creator-God. Thomas Jefferson (himself an unbeliever in the traditional sense) was exactly right when he said that liberty is the gift of God. That we still enjoy a semblance of freedom in this land indicates that His divine protection still rests upon us.

Those of us who have a Christian perspective realize that Holy Writ tells us: “For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:13) This means that the deeply-seeded love of liberty in our hearts was planted there by our Creator. Our WILL for liberty is God-breathed. That fact, by itself, demonstrates that it’s not over.

There is a line from the 2012 version of the movie “Red Dawn” that I really love. A U.S. Marine fighting with the “Wolverines,” said, “I’m still breathing, so, it’s not over.” Indeed. You and are still breathing, folks, so, IT’S NOT OVER.
On Nov.2, 2014 I had an impression (revelation?) on this and so I wrote it down. Here it is:
The Lord promises a paradigm shift from all this modern day Gadiantonism. This change is guaranteed by His words that the Constitution will be saved, the law (Constitution) shall go forth from Zion and the stars and stripes shall be fluttering in the wind upon Christ second coming. So this tells us any substantive effort by individuals of Mormonism to awake people to their awful situation or “bring to light the secret works of darkness,” or to save the Constitution will be met with SUCCESS. It will be a SUCCESS because the Lord is on our side and He will help us. One or two with God is in the majority! These promises of SUCCESS by the Lord give us the courage and desire to be the motivating factor and green light to encourage the church members to ACT.

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Liberty would still have a chance in America if lots more people would awake to our "awful situation" and see what is happening and recognize that there really is a no longer so secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries and is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world. But, and this is just my opinion, if lots more Americans started waking up, the latter-day gadiantons still have another card they can play, and that is war. Every war in my lifetime and I believe WW1 as well has served to bring us closer to world government, and I believe the LDGs would not hesitate to play that card again.

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Christopher Bollyn, an investigative journalist somewhat acquainted with the LDS Church and the Book of Mormon wrote to a Latter-day Saint "....the LDS Church has an advantage over other Christian churches in that it has the prophetic warnings of the 'secret combinations' and the Gadianton Robbers taking over the complete control of government. To my mind, that makes the LDS Church the most relevant Christian church on the planet. It requires its followers to do something about 'Our Awful Situation' brought on by the Gadianton Robbers. Most non-Mormons don't have a clue what is meant by these terms from the Book of Mormon, but they very much need to know what is written and meant by them. As Ether 8:16 says: 'And they [secret combinations] were kept up by the power of the devil to administer these oaths unto the people, to keep them in darkness, to help such as sought power to gain power, and to murder, and to plunder, and to lie, and to commit all manner of whoredoms....."

Here is a non- Church member telling a Latter-day Saint that Mormons need to do something about our awful situation caused by the Gadianton Robbers. He further wrote that " Most non-Mormons don't have a clue what is meant by these terms from the Book of Mormon, but they very much need to know what is written and meant by them." Frankly, I'm convinced most active Mormons don't have a clue what is really meant by those terms in the Book of Mormon. And what's worse, most do not concern themselves about all this. I still hear many Mormons say, essentially, "Don't worry about all this stuff; God will take care of us."

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lundbaek wrote: Here is a non- Church member telling a Latter-day Saint that Mormons need to do something about our awful situation caused by the Gadianton Robbers. He further wrote that " Most non-Mormons don't have a clue what is meant by these terms from the Book of Mormon, but they very much need to know what is written and meant by them." Frankly, I'm convinced most active Mormons don't have a clue what is really meant by those terms in the Book of Mormon. And what's worse, most do not concern themselves about all this. I still hear many Mormons say, essentially, "Don't worry about all this stuff; God will take care of us."
I think Bollyn and you are correct in saying Mormons don't understand the terms in the B of M especially when it comes to the term "secret combinations." Just taking that term at face-value does seem rather vague and nebulous but I have learned from Reid Bankhead to make it specific so there is no doubt in anyone's mind what it means--it means a combination of liars, robbers and murders. We as church have no obligation to be "subject to the powers that be" if those powers consist of liars, robbers, and murders, in fact we have a responsibility to "awake and arise" and "cleanse the inward vessel." They took an oath to protect and secure all Americans inalienable right to life, liberty and property but as liars, robbers and murders they're more like 19th century Comancheros in suits out to plunder, kill and deceive and captivate. In other words these people are not government officials in a legitimate context but they're disguised as politicians, Republicans and Democrates--they're tares posing as wheat! They are not what they say they are! They're outright CRIMINALS! The saints and the American people have no obligation to be loyal to CRIMINALS in fact it is their obligation to rid themselves of these Gadianton CRIMINALS. (3 Nephi 4:28-33; D&C 87:4)

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." The Lord tells us this nonsense of "Don't worry about all this stuff; God will take care of us." just doesn't cut it, the church now needs to lay to rest the false notion that the Lord will straighten out this Gadianton mess because we members are powerless and weak and it's all up to him to resolve the problem. I've told some members before that the Lord will not do for us what He expects us to do for ourselves. So while we're wring our hands and waiting for the Lord to punish the Gadiantons then we're going to be surprised because He's waiting for us to excise the Gadiantons from our midst. We're both waiting on the other guy to act. As I read Ether 8:23 it tells me and I paraphrase and correct me if I'm wrong but in this one verse the Lord says through his prophet that if members and Gentiles don't "repent" of partaking of the "spoils" and plunderings of Gadiantonism and building it up by becoming its employees and useful idiots and facilitating its growth and spread--if they "suffer" (allow) these things to be then He will allow it to destroy us and by doing so "justice" will be served.

It looks to me as if this "justice" in this verse is now being served on Americans being ground up into pieces through the Gadiantons new war policy of "preemptive war", the establishment of the Dept. of Homeland Security to train SWAT cops to march into people homes under the pretext of looking for contraband and shooting unarmed citizens from Pentagon issued armored vehicles on misdemeanor suspicions, allowing illegal aliens into the country to cause economic havoc and even allowing Ebola into the country under the pretext of caring for West Africans at 35 treatment centers and more on the way, this should help to thin out the population along with Obama Care which is euthanasia in disguise. And the TSA is meting out deserved "justice" by restricting our freedom to travel by scanning and padding us down like criminals. Is this verse telling us we as a people due to our inaction and apathy to the danger of Gadiantonism, I say is this verse telling Mormons and Americans that we are getting what we deserve because we're asleep to Gadiantonism? That's what I conclude!

I think we need to start warning the saints also to the spiritual consequences to not awakening to Gadiantonism and not saving the Constitution. David O McKay's quote should be a hot poker in motivating all members sitting on their arse when he said: "If members of the Melchizedek Priesthood allow the U.S. Constitution to be destroyed, they not only forfeit their rights to the Priesthood, but to a place in this highest degree of glory as well.” (David O. McKay, The Instructor, Feb. 1956, p. 34)

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Along these lines of thought I post this from Mosiah Hancock. Read carefully and see, if this account is true that is, how all these people with guns and willpower turn out, and just who comes into the picture to help out.

If this account is true, and we think the saints will come to the rescue...just where can they come from when missionary work and gospel living is on top of the to do list?

Too many saints either say "God will take care of us" while others say "we can't and won't mix politics with religion" or, "we don't talk about the Constitution in church" or "let some other guy do it, I'm too immersed in church work and every day life, go bother someone else."

Is the idea of our country being divided true?
When US Army is mentioned, does it include the citizenry with all its weapons?
Where are the boys going to come from?
And how can a small number of boys prevent the final takeover of the NWO when at least half of the Army is dead and the rest barely hanging on? By this there would need to be millions of boys.

Any ideas?

Mosiah Hancock

[According to Brother Hancock, the Prophet Joseph Smith told him,] The United States will spend her strength and means warring in foreign lands until other nations will say, “Let’s divide up the lands of the United States,” then the people of the U.S. will unite and swear by the blood of their fore-fathers, that the land shall not be divided. Then the country will go to war, and they will fight until one half of the U.S. army will give up, and the rest will continue to struggle. They will keep on until they are very ragged and discouraged, and almost ready to give up—when the boys from the mountains will rush forth in time to save the American Army from defeat and ruin. And they will say, “Brethren, we are glad you have come; give us men, henceforth, who can talk with God.” Then you will have friends, but you will save the country when its liberty hangs by a hair, as it were. (Life Story of Mosiah Lyman Hancock, 19-20)

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I sometimes wonder if that statement by President McKay "If members of the Melchizedek Priesthood allow the U.S. Constitution to be destroyed, they not only forfeit their rights to the Priesthood, but to a place in this highest degree of glory as well.” applies today. It seems to me that many LDS Church members alive today have been deprived of the opportunity to become aware of our responsibilities Re. secret combinations, freedom, and the US Constitution. The thing is, I have brought these statements to the attention of my bishop, my stake president, and our area seventy, and their responses were basically concern that more harm than good would come from trying to educate the members in general on these matters. For that reason I am becoming convinced that I have to go at it one person at a time.

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However, since the church's directive is to "perfect the saints" doesn't this include our responsibility to keep freedom alive...at least as much as possible by such a small group pertaining to church membership? We certainly don't have the numbers to transition the country back into a righteous republic, but we should be doing our part at the direction of leadership, as part of being perfected, right?

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lundbaek wrote:I sometimes wonder if that statement by President McKay "If members of the Melchizedek Priesthood allow the U.S. Constitution to be destroyed, they not only forfeit their rights to the Priesthood, but to a place in this highest degree of glory as well.” applies today. It seems to me that many LDS Church members alive today have been deprived of the opportunity to become aware of our responsibilities Re. secret combinations, freedom, and the US Constitution. The thing is, I have brought these statements to the attention of my bishop, my stake president, and our area seventy, and their responses were basically concern that more harm than good would come from trying to educate the members in general on these matters. For that reason I am becoming convinced that I have to go at it one person at a time.
Lundbaek, I think Pres. McKay's quote needs more than ever to be preached from the roof tops because once it is spoken than those who hear it are without excuse! Truth is like spinach, people don't like it but it sure is good for them. Also books like An Enemy Hath Done This, Many are Called but Few Chosen, The Great Abominable Church of the Devil, Prophets Principles and National Survival, The Elders of Israel and the Constitution, etc. need to be reprinted and extoled again. If there are leaders downplaying these important works and discouraging the message of freedom from getting heard then they might have to answer for the sins of the people upon their own heads (Jacob 1:19). As for myself, I think myself as Helmuth Hübener.

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I personally feel very much the same as GeeR and Freedomforall, and continue to do all I can to make Latter-day Saints aware of our divinely mandated responsibilities to study, uphold and abide by the principles of the US Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers, and to understand the proper role of government according to gospel principles, and to make people aware of the conspiracy to overthrow the freedoms of all lands, nations, and countries and establish a single global government. I certainly feel constrained to continue in that endeavor even though it gets lonely. From comments and statements by a certain few apostles in recent years I have believe that at least a few of them are quite disgusted about what is going on in this country and believe members of the Church should study and abide by the US Constitution. And a few of those statements did get out to the entire Church via a general conference and/or the Ensign magazine. I strongly suspect that the Church leadership is giving these topics very low profile so as to not "tweak the tail of the beast". And it has been discouraging and disappointing that so many local Church leaders decline to organize events that would promote awareness of our responsibilities. I would not want to be responsible for creating a situation which would lead to the LDGs attacking and persecuting the Church.

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lundbaek wrote: I would not want to be responsible for creating a situation which would lead to the LDGs attacking and persecuting the Church.
Why not it's prophesied to happen no matter what. Maybe the Lord is working through Constitutionalists like us to get the ball rolling. Personally, I have envisioned myself at the pulpit of thousands of members castigating them for not supporting Ron Paul and denigrating Edward Snowden; that should get the feathers to hit the fan.

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GeeR, I have the same attitude as you and Freedomforall. My attitude toward Mormons especially who espouse unconstitutional legislation and programs and support illegal immigration is real bad. On the advice of a few friends I am trying to mellow. You probably have heard that saying that one gets more with honey than with vinegar.

A friend wrote me recently “Abraham Lincoln gave us the key to sharing truth and freedom when he said: ‘When the conduct of men is designed to be influenced; kind, unassuming persuasion should ever be adopted. It is an old and a true maxim that a drop of honey catches more flies than a gallon of gall! So with men. If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend. Therein is a drop of honey that catches his heart, which, say what he will, is the great highroad to his reason, and which once gained, you will find but little trouble in convincing his judgment of the justice of your cause, if indeed that cause really be a just one.

“On the contrary, assume to dictate to his judgment, or to command his action, or to work him as one to be shunned and despised, and he will retreat within himself, close all the avenues to his head and his heart; and though your cause be naked truth itself, transformed to the heaviest lance, harder than steel, and sharper than steel can be made, and though you throw it with more than Herculean force and precision, you shall no more be able to pierce him than to penetrate the hard shell of a tortoise with a rye straw. Such is man, and so must he be understood by those who would lead him, even to his own best interests.”

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Lundbaek, of course you're right and I respect your approach to the message of freedom. Your approach it from an educational point-of -view whilst I tend to approach it from a confrontational point-of-view. However, I'm not discounting the confrontational approach all together, at the point of exasperation I think it will be needed when all else fails.

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I have used the confrontational approach, even in a couple of sacrament meeting talks. I am trying to reform and it's not easy.

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From A Glorious Standard:

In the providence of God, governments were intended to be the servants, not the masters of the people. This eternal truth needs to be emphasized and re-emphasized. (1962, The Red Carpet, 91)

Surely the preservation and enjoyment of the freedoms vouchsafed to us by the Constitution of the United States will require eternal vigilance even to the guarding of it with our lives…. We must ever be on our guard against the unsound theories that would strike at our Constitutional freedoms.
We must ever keep faith with our founding fathers by keeping faith with our Constitution. I trust that we all have faith in the Constitution of the United States, and that that faith is born of an assurance that this great document came into being through the inspiration of God to wise men, embodying as it does, eternal principles. This nation has a spiritual foundation which must be preserved at any cost of sweat and blood. May we recognize our debt and responsibility and be ever vigilant….

If we are to keep faith with our Constitution, we must know it. Since it is the basis of our American way of life and our liberties every American should be familiar with it. We should read it periodically. How can people who are ignorant of the principles and guarantees of American government stand up in defense of it and our rights under the Constitution[?] The fundamentals and processes of free government should be known to every school boy—and his parents. No free people can ever survive if they are ignorant of and fail to understand the principles of free government! (1962, The Red Carpet, 201-202)

Every Latter-day Saint has spiritual obligations in four basic areas: his home, his church, his job, and his citizenship responsibility. Each of these areas should receive consistent attention although not necessarily equal time. Are we doing our duty in these important fields?
What about our citizenship responsibility—our obligation to safeguard our freedom and preserve the Constitution? (April 1963, General Conference)

Teach them to love their country, and here in America to love the Constitution and the founding fathers, and to know that this is the Lord’s base of operations in these last days, and that that operation will be world-wide. (June 14, 1963, from an address given at the Mutual Improvement Association Conference, Salt Lake City, Utah)

Let us not be deceived in the sifting days ahead. Let us rally together on principle behind the prophet as guided by the promptings of the Spirit. Does this hold true today? We should continue to speak out for freedom and against socialism and communism. We should continue to come to the aid of patriots, programs, and organizations that are trying to save our Constitution through every legal and moral means possible. (October 1963, General Conference)

It is not, however, enough to be acquainted with the grave dangers facing these United States. We must also instruct ourselves, and others, in the great spiritual values underlying our divinely inspired Constitution and our American free-enterprise system. (December 10, 1963, Brigham Young University Speeches of the Year)

The devil knows that if the elders of Israel should ever wake up, they could step forth and help preserve freedom and extend the gospel. Does this hold true today? Therefore the devil has concentrated, and to a large extent successfully, in neutralizing much of the priesthood. He has reduced them to sleeping giants. His arguments are clever….

[Says the devil]: “Don’t do anything in the fight for freedom until the Church sets up its own specific program to save the Constitution.” This brings us right back to the scripture…to those slothful servants who will not do anything until they are “compelled in all things” [D&C 58:26].

Maybe the Lord will never set up a specific church program for the purpose of saving the Constitution. Perhaps if he set one up at this time it might split the Church asunder, and perhaps he does not want that to happen yet for not all the wheat and tares are fully ripe….

[H]ave we elders been warned? Yes, we have. And have we elders been given the guidelines? Yes indeed, we have. And besides, if the Church should ever inaugurate a program [to save the Constitution], who do you think would be in the forefront to get it moving? It would not be those who were sitting on the sidelines prior to that time or those who were appeasing the enemy. It would be those choice spirits who, not waiting to be “commanded in all things,” used their own free will, the counsel of the prophets, and the Spirit of the Lord as guidelines and who entered the battle “in a good cause” and brought to pass much righteousness in freedom’s cause….

Brethren, if we had done our homework and were faithful, we could step forward at this time and help save this country. The fact that most of us are unprepared to do it is an indictment we will have to bear. The longer we wait, the heavier the chains, the deeper the blood, the more the persecution, and the less we can carry out our God-given mandate and worldwide mission. The war in heaven is raging on the earth today. Are you being neutralized in the battle? (April 1965, General Conference)
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I wish there would be fervency in today's speakers the need of protecting the Constitution.

Is there an ever present "fear" of what man can do these days? Is this why the missionary program goes forward and the "maintain freedom" mandate is on the back burner?

Psalms 118:6
6 The Lord is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?

Doctrine and Covenants 30:11
11 And your whole labor shall be in Zion, with all your soul, from henceforth; yea, you shall ever open your mouth in my cause, not fearing what man can do, for I am with you. Amen.

Doctrine and Covenants 122:9
9 Therefore, hold on thy way, and the priesthood shall remain with thee; for their bounds are set, they cannot pass. Thy days are known, and thy years shall not be numbered less; therefore, fear not what man can do, for God shall be with you forever and ever.

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I appreciate your comments, guys. Thank you.

I think the final thread gets broken when our military is kicking down your door, and hauling you off to an internment camp. That's why I think the Oathkeeper's movement is so important and could help at least prevent the severing of that final thread.

...reposting the opening post, here.


dconrad000 wrote:PREVENT THE SEVERING OF THE REMAINING THREAD

Here is one simple thing that would prevent the severing of the remaining thread, by which the Constitution is now hanging:


Oath keepers: Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey (9:12 min)

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A Word From Sheriff Richard Mack (7:38 min)

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(If you have any trouble with the link, go to youtube.com and in their search window type the phrase, Oath Keeper Sheriff Richard Mack.)


Please consider forwarding this by e-mail to all your contacts -- especially to any in law enforcement or in the military.

May God bless patriots everywhere, and the Constitutional Republic of these United States.






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dc000, how many members are there in the Oathkeepers organization? Are there enough members to cause a threatening force to pause?
It's like the statement that there are millions of people that own guns, but when faced with a real threat how many would actually respond to it? How many would run the other way? Do Oathkeeper's mean what they say, or are they just spouting off? I'm not trying to be negative, but we have several real threats to freedom and liberty these days and unless these organizations like Oathkeepers truly mean what they say, tyranny and internment camps could be a reality.
I've heard different views about the NRA, for instance. One is that they are strongly ready to defend, and the other is that the head people are wishy washy, and are yes men to government. I do not know the facts either way, rumors are just rumors. But I would like to believe that the NRA and Oathkeepers could be relied upon to face an enemy with many thousands of members behind the cause for defending freedom and liberty.

What do you know by way of truth concerning both arenas?

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FFA, my observations are that the NRA has been willing to compromise principle too many times. Larry Pratt's Gun Owner's of America is a far better organization.

Stewart Rhode's Oath Keepers is doing a tremendous amount of good in my estimation -- and the farther and wider it spreads, the better off we'll be. It gives good people in law enforcement and the military the opportunity to think beforehand about their oaths that they have taken -- to uphold the constitution -- and what orders they will and will not obey. I believe that a great many will be true to that -- and much good could come from it.

...and of course, with respect to Sheriff Richard Mack: if every sheriff in every county in the US were like Sheriff Richard Mack, we would have our constitution back.

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dconrad000 wrote:
FFA, my observations are that the NRA has been willing to compromise principle too many times. Larry Pratt's Gun Owner's of America is a far better organization.

Stewart Rhode's Oath Keepers is doing a tremendous amount of good in my estimation -- and the farther and wider it spreads, the better off we'll be. It gives good people in law enforcement and the military the opportunity to think beforehand about their oaths that they have taken -- to uphold the constitution -- and what orders they will and will not obey. I believe that a great many will be true to that -- and much good could come from it.

...and of course, with respect to Sheriff Richard Mack: if every sheriff in every county in the US were like Sheriff Richard Mack, we would have our constitution back.
Thanks, dconrad. I had forgotten about GOA, having actually attended one of their rallies here in Oregon.
I know a few police officers near where I live. I'm going to ask them if they are part of either oathkeepers or GOA. And now that we have a Republican Congressman in our district, I'll ask him as well. That's not to claim all Dems are for gun control or socialism. All depends on where one's own loyalty is placed, on man or God, on tyranny or freedom.

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...bump...

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I think most people who are aware of the danger of the remaining thread being severed are too busy with other concerns to even think about trying to prevent it from happening. A good indication of this can be seen in the topics discussed on this forum and the hijacking of topics intended to discuss our "awful situation" and corrective and remedial actions.

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lundbaek wrote:I think most people who are aware of the danger of the remaining thread being severed are too busy with other concerns to even think about trying to prevent it from happening. A good indication of this can be seen in the topics discussed on this forum and the hijacking of topics intended to discuss our "awful situation" and corrective and remedial actions.
I agree entertainment has taken over thought for the masses.


A corrective measure that I see is take your kids out of the brainwashing of public school. Listen to the warnings of that currupt system and teach your children correct principles.

The currupt logic has been so uniformially taught is hard to get anyone to see reason.

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I watched the PBS Frontline documentary entitled—Gunned Down: The Power of the NRA http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gunned-down/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; a couple of weeks ago. It’s been on my mind ever since. I no longer believe the last remaining thread of the Constitution is our franchise to vote because that has been taken away from us via electronic voting machines that can be pre-programmed by the PTB for their selected winner. No the last remaining thread that holds the Constitution together is the 2nd amendment! Chuck Baldwin hit the nail on the head when he said if the 2nd amendment falls then all other Constitutional rights fall in succession like dominos. I believe that!
After watching this documentary I realized that the fall of the 2nd amendment is as close as the next false-flag school shooting or the one after it or maybe the next one. I don’t believe it can survive 5 or 6 more Sandy Hook type false-flag shootings no matter how strong and resistant the NRA is. This means we are on the cusp of losing not only the 2nd amendment but all our other rights under the Constitution. To prevent this “awful situation” the saints will have to wake up and fast so spread the word!

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