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Years back the issues of freedom and Constitution were raised in Church, even in general conferences, messages of the First Presidency, Ensign articles, and in other Church media. Members of the LDS Church are the only people on this planet who have been told by the Lord that He established the US Constitution, and that it is intended to benefit all mankind forever. We are the only people on the planet who have been told by Prophets such things as "we must learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers.", "Next to being one in worshiping God, there is nothing in this world upon which this Church should be more united than in upholding and defending the Constitution of the United States,", "We, as Latter-day Saints, must be vigilant in doing our part to preserve the Constitution and safeguard the way of life it makes possible." It in my belief that if Latter-day Saints had complied with those instructions during the era when they were given we could have inspired other Americans to join with us in reversing America's current course into tyranny. I failing to obey those instructions Latter-day Saints have failed America and probably other nations as well.

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I am aware of all that went on in the past about the Constitution.
I believe I have heard every talk by Ezra Taft Benson.
But the mental disease that has taken over much of the country, the White House, the AG and on down to some local sheriff's (see that post about the Spokane sheriff) has caused them to start defining terrorism as a US Constitutionalist, and nothing else, not a Muslim, for instance.
So talking about it publicly won't do any good anymore.
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lundbaek wrote:Years back the issues of freedom and Constitution were raised in Church, even in general conferences, messages of the First Presidency, Ensign articles, and in other Church media. Members of the LDS Church are the only people on this planet who have been told by the Lord that He established the US Constitution, and that it is intended to benefit all mankind forever. We are the only people on the planet who have been told by Prophets such things as "we must learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers.", "Next to being one in worshiping God, there is nothing in this world upon which this Church should be more united than in upholding and defending the Constitution of the United States,", "We, as Latter-day Saints, must be vigilant in doing our part to preserve the Constitution and safeguard the way of life it makes possible." It in my belief that if Latter-day Saints had complied with those instructions during the era when they were given we could have inspired other Americans to join with us in reversing America's current course into tyranny. I failing to obey those instructions Latter-day Saints have failed America and probably other nations as well.
Why would LDS in France (for example) care about the US?

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The principles of the US Constitution (at least as it was intended to be understood) are appreciated by some Latter-day Saints in European countries who have told me that they influence their acts in relation to their governments. I say that based on 11 years living and working in European countries and discussing government and related issues with some members, especially in England and Denmark, where I found 3 bishops who told me they tried to implement those principles in their relation to government, mostly in how they voted. One member in Denmark was active in the Danish Conservative Party.

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lundbaek wrote:The principles of the US Constitution (at least as it was intended to be understood) are appreciated by some Latter-day Saints in European countries who have told me that they influence their acts in relation to their governments. I say that based on 11 years living and working in European countries and discussing government and related issues with some members, especially in England and Denmark, where I found 3 bishops who told me they tried to implement those principles in their relation to government, mostly in how they voted. One member in Denmark was active in the Danish Conservative Party.
Interesting.
I hate Canada's Conservative Party with a passion, mostly because their US-minded attitude seems to be the...darker side, namely scandals and spying on people.
We're in an election right now and I don't think Harper will win (and good thing too, our dollar is pathetic) either it's the left side Liberals (who also suck) and the more socialist NDP (which in this day and age for Canada could either do really well or really bad, there's no middle ground anymore, especially not with them).
There's no rich crazy business-celebrities running in ours, I mean Justin Trudeau... not really... he's just an idiot.
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I'm glad to note some interest in this topic. I really cannot add any more than what I have already written on this thread. Interest in this topic, freedom, "principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers" and dangers and threats to our freedoms among Latter-day Saints is just not there. I perceive a widespread complacency among Latter-day Saints on matters affecting our freedoms. I note a widespread acceptance among LDS voters of socialized government and its ensuing legal plunder in the name of "charity". Many believe it is the duty of government to take care of each individual and insure each is provided with the necessities of life The Book of Mormon reveals the design and will of God concerning the political liberty of all His children. I may take a bit of digging to find all of it, but it is there. And latter-day prophets and apostles have made it even more clear. Captain Moroni seems to have firmly believe that liberty and preservation of a free nation are important parts of the doctrine of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They are especially important to the perpetuation and spread of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And freedom of religion is only one of several freedoms that we must maintain

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How many American LDS are in the Great and Abominable Party? Better yet, how many know it? How many don't care? How many think that voting for the lesser of two evils is the right thing to do? How many know the wrong of it? How many have heard the words honest, wise and good? How many don't care?

We've been warned. And I suppose the last thread is right before us. No?

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I'm sorry to note so little interest in this topic. I really cannot add any more than what I have already written on this thread. Interest in this topic, freedom, "principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers" and dangers and threats to our freedoms among Latter-day Saints is just not there. I perceive a widespread complacency among Latter-day Saints on matters affecting our freedoms. I note a widespread acceptance among LDS voters of socialized government and its ensuing legal plunder in the name of "charity". Many believe it is the duty of government to take care of each individual and insure each is provided with the necessities of life The Book of Mormon reveals the design and will of God concerning the political liberty of all His children. It may take a bit of digging to find all of it, but it is there. And latter-day prophets and apostles have made it even more clear. Captain Moroni seems to have firmly believe that liberty and preservation of a free nation are important parts of the doctrine of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They are especially important to the perpetuation and spread of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And freedom of religion is only one of several freedoms that we must maintain

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lundbaek wrote:I'm sorry to note so little interest in this topic. I really cannot add any more than what I have already written on this thread. Interest in this topic, freedom, "principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers" and dangers and threats to our freedoms among Latter-day Saints is just not there. I perceive a widespread complacency among Latter-day Saints on matters affecting our freedoms. I note a widespread acceptance among LDS voters of socialized government and its ensuing legal plunder in the name of "charity". Many believe it is the duty of government to take care of each individual and insure each is provided with the necessities of life The Book of Mormon reveals the design and will of God concerning the political liberty of all His children. It may take a bit of digging to find all of it, but it is there. And latter-day prophets and apostles have made it even more clear. Captain Moroni seems to have firmly believe that liberty and preservation of a free nation are important parts of the doctrine of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They are especially important to the perpetuation and spread of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And freedom of religion is only one of several freedoms that we must maintain
So just where can the Elders of Israel come form that we read about? We face...Complacency, apathy, carelessness, stupor of thought, ignorance, disobedience, deafness, all is well, who cares?, it doesn't effect me, let someone else do it, don't bother me with facts, I'll do something tomorrow, I don't see it that way, it doesn't mean this, what Constitution?, on and on.

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Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination* which shall be among you…. For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil…. (ca. 400 A.D., Ether 8:24-25)

Church members are at perfect liberty to act according to their own consciences in the matter of safeguarding our way of life. They are, of course, encouraged to honor the highest standards of the gospel and to work to preserve their own freedoms. They are free to participate in non-church meetings that are held to warn people of the threat of Communism or any other theory or principle that will deprive us of our free agency or individual liberties vouchsafed by the Constitution of the United States….
We therefore commend and encourage every person and every group who is sincerely seeking to study Constitutional principles and awaken a sleeping and apathetic people to the alarming conditions that are rapidly advancing about us. (April 1966, General Conference “Statement Concerning the Position of the Church on
Communism”)

The devil knows that if the elders of Israel should ever wake up, they could step forth and help preserve freedom and extend the gospel. Therefore the devil has concentrated, and to a large extent successfully, in neutralizing much of the priesthood. He has reduced them to sleeping giants. His arguments are clever….
[Says the devil]: “Don’t do anything in the fight for freedom until the Church sets up its own specific program to save the Constitution.” This brings us right back to the scripture…to those slothful servants who will not do anything until they are “compelled in all things” [D&C 58:26]. Maybe the Lord will never set up a specific church program for the purpose of saving the Constitution. Perhaps if he set one up at this time it might split the Church asunder, and perhaps he does not want that to happen yet for not all the wheat and tares are fully ripe….
[H]ave we elders been warned? Yes, we have. And have we elders been given the guidelines? Yes indeed, we have. And besides, if the Church should ever inaugurate a program [to save the Constitution], who do you think would be in the forefront to get it moving? It would not be those who were sitting on the sidelines prior to that time or those who were appeasing the enemy. It would be those choice spirits who, not waiting to be “commanded in all things,” used their own free will, the counsel of the prophets, and the Spirit of the Lord as guidelines and who entered the battle “in a good cause” and brought to pass much righteousness in freedom’s cause….
Brethren, if we had done our homework and were faithful, we could step forward at this time and help save this country. The fact that most of us are unprepared to do it is an indictment we will have to bear. The longer we wait, the heavier the chains, the deeper the blood, the more the persecution, and the less we can carry out our God-given mandate and worldwide mission. The war in heaven is raging on the earth today. Are you being neutralized in the battle? (April 1965, General Conference)

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The Prophet Joseph [Smith] had said the time would come when the principles of the Constitution would be forsaken and that instrument would be rent asunder, and
this people would then step forward and rescue it from entire destruction. (April 6, 1882, Journal History of the Church, 3)

It is also part of our belief that the time will come when the country will be distracted and general lawlessness prevail. Then the Mormon people will step forward and take an active part in rescuing the nation from ruin. (December 16, 1889, Millennial Star, 50:788)

The Prophet Joseph Smith declared it will be the elders of Israel who will step forward to help save the Constitution, not the Church. (April 1965, General Conference)

I heard the prophet say, “The time will come when the Government of these United States will be so nearly overthrown through its own corruption, that the Constitution will hang as it were, by a single hair, and the Latter-day Saints—the Elders of Israel—will step forward to its rescue and save it.” (July 24, 1871, Journal History of the Church, 4)

Where are these Elders? Did they heed the counsel to learn the Constitution so they know what to save, and what is destroying it?

This about covers it.

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When the Elders of Israel rejected Samuel as their judge and desired a king. Samuel warned the Israelites of the dangers/evils of having an monarchical government. And the Lord Himself said to Samuel "They have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them". Read 1 Samuel 9:1-17 to see how that worked out.

Likewise, Latter-day prophets, especially Presidents McKay and Benson, warned us in our day of the dangers/evils of socialism and forsaking the principles of the US Constitution. Most Latter-day Saints who heard and/or read those admonitions rejected them, and in so doing, rejected the Lord, who established the Constitution by the hands of wise men whom He raised up unto that very purpose. How has that worked out so far ?

I find many Latter-day Saints who believe that when the Prophet tells us to get out there and save the Constitution and our freedoms, they will be given direction and respond accordingly. But for now they feel no obligation to prepare for such an event. Very possibly they will look for leadership to politicians like Senator Hatch, Senator Flake, Mitt Romney and other of that ilk who have contributed to our current "awful situation". Fortunately, there are Latter-day Saints (including even a few members of this forum) who are well aware of our "awful situation", aware of the proper role of government and the principles of the Constitution, and who could provide leadership in restoring freedom and the principles of the Constitution to our government. As was the case going into the original constitutional convention of 1787, the people I am thinking of are not all in agreement on all of the issues that would have to be dealt with. But they are there and they are each in their own ways helping to prepare the "remnant" that will restore order once America is cleansed.

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Perhaps a few of you might remember that about 2-3 years ago I reported my awareness of 16 Latter-day Saints who had words in their patriarchal blessings advising them to, in my words now, become familiar with the US Constitution to be able to help/participate in its restoration. Of those 16, not a one had taken any action along that line.

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lundbaek wrote:Perhaps a few of you might remember that about 2-3 years ago I reported my awareness of 16 Latter-day Saints who had words in their patriarchal blessings advising them to, in my words now, become familiar with the US Constitution to be able to help/participate in its restoration. Of those 16, not a one had taken any action along that line.
I remember. Are their ages spread out or close together and about how old? I don't know why but I feel the time is real close when action to save the Constitution is not far off. Could be wishful thinking though.

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Age spread I'd guess 30 - 60. Best i can recall, some admonished to teach others, but I cannot remember anymore than that. I have been nagging one man for a couple of years now and he still is not moving on it.

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I think its going to go down differently than any of us can imagine. Times may be dire, but not all is lost. The best is yet to come.

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lundbaek wrote:Age spread I'd guess 30 - 60. Best i can recall, some admonished to teach others, but I cannot remember anymore than that. I have been nagging one man for a couple of years now and he still is not moving on it.
Along these lines, I was reminded of how some people have in their PB that they'll live to see the Savior's return while in the flesh. It is vague to me, however, as to how old they could be right now. This is not to say that many young people couldn't live for this glorious day, it's just hearing of such a blessing that is intriguing. I doubt many people over sixty will have this blessing in the flesh. But maybe our time in the grave will be short.

In order to tie all this together, there are a lot of events yet to come and I hope I can live to see the Constitution saved. I'm getting real tired of having to see the downfall of America day after day week after week and year after year. I'd like to see something victorious for a change so that my faith can be ratified or confirmed, whatever the right word is.

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dconrad000 wrote:...reposting this from the previous page...
dconrad000 wrote:I appreciate your comments, guys. Thank you.

I think the final thread gets broken when our military is kicking down your door, and hauling you off to an internment camp. That's why I think the Oathkeeper's movement is so important and could help at least prevent the severing of that final thread.

...reposting the opening post, here.


dconrad000 wrote:PREVENT THE SEVERING OF THE REMAINING THREAD

Here is one simple thing that would prevent the severing of the remaining thread, by which the Constitution is now hanging:


Oath keepers: Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey (9:12 min)

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A Word From Sheriff Richard Mack (7:38 min)

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Please consider forwarding this by e-mail to all your contacts -- especially to any in law enforcement or in the military.

May God bless patriots everywhere, and the Constitutional Republic of these United States.


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freedomforall wrote:Along these lines, I was reminded of how some people have in their PB that they'll live to see the Savior's return while in the flesh. It is vague to me, however, as to how old they could be right now. This is not to say that many young people couldn't live for this glorious day, it's just hearing of such a blessing that is intriguing. I doubt many people over sixty will have this blessing in the flesh. But maybe our time in the grave will be short.

In order to tie all this together, there are a lot of events yet to come and I hope I can live to see the Constitution saved. I'm getting real tired of having to see the downfall of America day after day week after week and year after year. I'd like to see something victorious for a change so that my faith can be ratified or confirmed, whatever the right word is.
Contrary to what one might think, the longer time goes, the less people are told about being around during the Second Coming.

https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-cont ... N03_11.pdf

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FTC wrote:
freedomforall wrote:Along these lines, I was reminded of how some people have in their PB that they'll live to see the Savior's return while in the flesh. It is vague to me, however, as to how old they could be right now. This is not to say that many young people couldn't live for this glorious day, it's just hearing of such a blessing that is intriguing. I doubt many people over sixty will have this blessing in the flesh. But maybe our time in the grave will be short.

In order to tie all this together, there are a lot of events yet to come and I hope I can live to see the Constitution saved. I'm getting real tired of having to see the downfall of America day after day week after week and year after year. I'd like to see something victorious for a change so that my faith can be ratified or confirmed, whatever the right word is.
Contrary to what one might think, the longer time goes, the less people are told about being around during the Second Coming.

https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-cont ... N03_11.pdf
Do you mean just prior to the 2nd Coming rather than during? Resurrected people will be with Christ starting at the beginning of His rein. Just wondering. :-\

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I appreciate this topic and the interest in reviving it. The shredding of the US Constitution and the destruction of the American constitutional republic has been carried out by people of wealth and power working against the best interests of the United States in conspiring with others around the world to build an integrated global political and economic structure - a "one world", as David Rockefeller proudly called it in his book "MEMOIRS". (Pg 405). Nephi and Moroni warned us about the secret combinations that would exist in our time. Latter-day LDS Church prophets and apostles also warned us of them: I can cite especially President Benson, President Packer, President Clark, Elder McConkie, Elder Faust, Elder Joseph Fielding Smith, and Elder Worthlin. If these Church leaders considered important that we be warned about secret combinations and conspiracies, it might be a idea for us to look into these things as well.

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freedomforall wrote:
FTC wrote:
freedomforall wrote:Along these lines, I was reminded of how some people have in their PB that they'll live to see the Savior's return while in the flesh. It is vague to me, however, as to how old they could be right now. This is not to say that many young people couldn't live for this glorious day, it's just hearing of such a blessing that is intriguing. I doubt many people over sixty will have this blessing in the flesh. But maybe our time in the grave will be short.

In order to tie all this together, there are a lot of events yet to come and I hope I can live to see the Constitution saved. I'm getting real tired of having to see the downfall of America day after day week after week and year after year. I'd like to see something victorious for a change so that my faith can be ratified or confirmed, whatever the right word is.
Contrary to what one might think, the longer time goes, the less people are told about being around during the Second Coming.

https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-cont ... N03_11.pdf
Do you mean just prior to the 2nd Coming rather than during? Resurrected people will be with Christ starting at the beginning of His rein. Just wondering. :-\
The article makes specific mention to "Remain until Second Coming" and "See 'last days'". Read up. Its quite the indepth analysis.

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dconrad000 wrote: May 18th, 2015, 8:33 pm ...reposting this from the previous page...
dconrad000 wrote:I appreciate your comments, guys. Thank you.

I think the final thread gets broken when our military is kicking down your door, and hauling you off to an internment camp. That's why I think the Oathkeeper's movement is so important and could help at least prevent the severing of that final thread.

...reposting the opening post, here.


dconrad000 wrote:PREVENT THE SEVERING OF THE REMAINING THREAD

Here is one simple thing that would prevent the severing of the remaining thread, by which the Constitution is now hanging:


Oath keepers: Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey (9:12 min)

(If the link does not open, copy/paste it into your internet browser and click enter.)

link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zztaj2AFiy8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(If you have any trouble with the link, go to youtube.com and in their search window type the phrase, Oath Keepers.)


A Word From Sheriff Richard Mack (7:38 min)

(If the link does not open, copy/paste it into your internet browser and click enter.)

link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJgPuNAh60" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(If you have any trouble with the link, go to youtube.com and in their search window type the phrase, Oath Keeper Sheriff Richard Mack.)


Please consider forwarding this by e-mail to all your contacts -- especially to any in law enforcement or in the military.

May God bless patriots everywhere, and the Constitutional Republic of these United States.








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