How to save the Constitution

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I think most American Latter-day Saints don't want to be bothered with getting involved with promoting adherence to the Constitution. I believe that if on this coming fast & testimony Sunday I were to tell some of what past prophets and apostles said about the Constitution, and plead for people to do as President Benson said nearly 30 years ago we MUST do - learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers - my plea would be ignored.

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And yet, there would be some who would listen to your message. Was Abenadi's pleading to king Noah in vain? I say unto you, nay. Alma the Elder heard his words and repented. So likewise, would your pleading be heard by but a small few.

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Why can't we make saving the constitution a positive, money making opportunity? Nobody wants to be "harrowed up" as the only method to get them to do something.

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It seems that to most American LDSs, including many, perhaps most members of this LDSFreedomForum saving the Constitution is not important. I think that instead of praying that God will save it for us, people should be asking how they can help save it.

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lundbaek wrote: June 7th, 2017, 2:06 pm It seems that to most American LDSs, including many, perhaps most members of this LDSFreedomForum saving the Constitution is not important. I think that instead of praying that God will save it for us, people should be asking how they can help save it.
Why not both? The two things are not mutually exclusive you know...

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The problem in saving the constitution stems from, said in the false words and culture of Socrates, that, "Virtue cannot be taught."

Virtue is taught in the living by our constitution. Constitution is just a word, that contains the articles of how to seek Virtue, whether it be an individual or a nation.

Traditionally a constitution is based on a declaration that Virtue is the guiding purpose of doing business. That Virtue is evident by perpetually seeking goodness, via best practices. This purpose was well understood in the mechanism built into the culture of Oleron, then Wisby, and the Hanse, that became the Uniform Commercial Code.

The way we save the constitution is to bring to light that Virtue can be taught, can be lived by us, as our Customs are based on seeking Virtue, and stop yielding to the divide and conquer play of Cultural Marxism.

Saving the constitution is in teaching one person at a time how to become part of what is Virtue.

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Here is one way to save the Constitution. Realize that our court system is a house of tyrannical activity. Don't believe it? Learn how freedom and liberty has been replaced with corrupt judges and that you jaw should drop to the floor:

Judge says Bundy prisoners NOT allowed to Argue their Case!


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I doubt we'd ever see the saints do this:

3 Nephi 2:12
12 Therefore, all the Lamanites who had become converted unto the Lord did unite with their brethren, the Nephites, and were compelled, for the safety of their lives and their women and their children, to take up arms against those Gadianton robbers, yea, and also to maintain their rights, and the privileges of their church and of their worship, and their freedom and their liberty.

AND, since a good share of Mormons either don't see what's happening in this country, or care enough to do anything constructive in trying to maintain freedom, perhaps, they can be under the heading of slothful or those that have to be compelled in all things.

Doctrine and Covenants 58:26
26 For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.

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The topic "LDS in Action for the U.S. Constitution viewtopic.php?f=1&t=45930 shows what some Latter-day Saints are doing to save and restore the U.S. Constitution.

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At this point, we can't save the Constitution without a fight. There is way too much corruption in high places and in our police who refuse to stand for the rights of people, but would rather harass and collect...and even kill those that call on them for help. But, at your request, I won't post a video and will, instead, allow people to wonder about my last comment.
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Please, don't spam videos in my thread.

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Durzan wrote: July 24th, 2017, 7:19 am Please, don't spam videos in my thread.
It would be helpful if people knew what the Constitution affords us besides a piece of paper with words on it. Part of saving the Constitution is to know what privileges it affords, and our God-given, inalienable rights as well as that cops all over are not honoring their oath to the Constitution because of crooked bosses looking for the next pay raise, which in turn, helps their boss get their pay increase.
Those of us that don't know their rights...have none and may end up slaves to tyranny.

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freedomforall wrote: July 25th, 2017, 4:28 am
Durzan wrote: July 24th, 2017, 7:19 am Please, don't spam videos in my thread.
It would be helpful if people knew what the Constitution affords us besides a piece of paper with words on it. Part of saving the Constitution is to know what privileges it affords, and our God-given, inalienable rights as well as that cops all over are not honoring their oath to the Constitution because of crooked bosses looking for the next pay raise, which in turn, helps their boss get their pay increase.
Those of us that don't know their rights...have none and may end up slaves to tyranny.
Then explain it simply and consciously in as few words as possible. Videos are not needed to get the point across, and half the time, the videos presents their intended points in a way that would make us think the person who made them is wearing a tinfoil hat (IE, crazy).

And, nobody likes huge walls of text, either, so keep it simple, concise, straightforward, and to the point.

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Durzan wrote: July 25th, 2017, 1:15 pm
freedomforall wrote: July 25th, 2017, 4:28 am
Durzan wrote: July 24th, 2017, 7:19 am Please, don't spam videos in my thread.
It would be helpful if people knew what the Constitution affords us besides a piece of paper with words on it. Part of saving the Constitution is to know what privileges it affords, and our God-given, inalienable rights as well as that cops all over are not honoring their oath to the Constitution because of crooked bosses looking for the next pay raise, which in turn, helps their boss get their pay increase.
Those of us that don't know their rights...have none and may end up slaves to tyranny.
Then explain it simply and consciously in as few words as possible. Videos are not needed to get the point across, and half the time, the videos presents their intended points in a way that would make us think the person who made them is wearing a tinfoil hat (IE, crazy).

And, nobody likes huge walls of text, either, so keep it simple, concise, straightforward, and to the point.
Actually, the forum is owned by BrianM, therefore, whatsoever is posted to help the poster get his or her point across, is not an infraction of forum rules. So keeping post content simple, concise, straightforward or to the point is not always going to be possible or to your liking, and is a privilege under the 1st Amendment allowing me and others to have freedom of speech whatever method is needed to do so.

And as for Silver agreeing with you, just take a look at his extra lengthy posts. How goofy can one be?

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Know Your Constitution
Bruce R. McConkie

This Article was serialized in 20 segments which appeared on the editorial page (page 4) of The Deseret News, 19 March 1945 through 10 April 1945.

1. The Unknown Constitution

The Constitution of the United States of America is the document nobody knows. Like the Bible, all Americans make reference to it, and some profess to revere it, but few read it. Fewer still understand the written words and appreciate the effect of its provisions upon their daily lives and interests.

How long has it been since you read the Constitution? Have you studied it with a view to understanding the effect it has on your daily acts? Did you know that it was the supreme law of the land, and that by it you are guaranteed the right to life, to liberty, and to property?

This is the first of a series of articles designed (1) to renew our knowledge of that document. (2) to assist us in gaining a healthy reverence for the document itself and for the rights and privileges which it guarantees, and (3) to prepare us to maintain those rights and privileges against all subversive influences however subtle.

From time to time an idea gets out into the political field to the effect that the Constitution of the United States is an anachronism, a mass of dry bones, an instrument of government adapted to a horse and buggy age.

Some of our politicians and would-be politicians are preaching that our form of government, is obsolete and that it should be replaced by a planned economy, and that the restraints of the Constitution are not practical in a modern industrial and complex civilization. They profess to admit that this form of government may have sufficed for thirteen sparsely settled colonies on the Atlantic coast but claim that it is entirely out of step with the progress of an enlightened industrial age.

In recent years recurring attempts have been made to override many of the time tested constitutional restraints with what seemed to be the will of the people for the moment. To accomplish this end. demagogues have affirmed that this basic law of the land is no longer so wholly essential as it has previously been in guaranteeing our rights and that humanitarianism and social betterment require the disregarding of some of its precepts.

To champion principles more divergent from fundamental political truth and verity would be difficult to do. To disregard the constitutional rights guaranteed in that document is to trample under foot the cumulative experience of over 900 years of the development of the common law. It is to suppose that the rights and freedoms for which Englishmen have been fighting and dying since the days of William the Conqueror have not been worth the sacrifice.

The Constitution is the very foundation and substance of the freedom of all men of this nation, and it is as needful, or more needful that its precepts be kept alive today than at any other time in the history of man's struggle for freedom. Freedom is dearly bought, but easily sold.

The study of the Constitution is the study of the rights of free men, and of the development of the liberties of the people. The Constitution is a code of the people's liberties; it came into existence by the sovereign will of the people, and is so ordered that it cannot go out of existence except by the will of the people, or at least as a result of their indifference and acquiescence.

These rights did not spring spontaneously into existence in 1787 when the Founding Fathers sat in convention in Philadelphia; they had been brought and paid for by the blood of one revolution in the colonies, and several in the mother country. If they are to be lost in our time, it will be because the descendants of the free no longer hear the cry of the blood spilled in freedom's cause crying from the ground. But they need no be lost if the valor will gained them can be found to defend them. If our freedoms should be load the lesson of history is that to regain them would require again the blood and toil and struggle by which they were made secure by our fathers.

The political and civil salvation of the United States lies in maintaining those rights and privileges and freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. A knowledge of that document is essential to a decent preparation to a decent preparation of the ability to preserve those freedoms.

"Frequent recurrence to fundamental principles is essential to the security of individual rights and the perpetuity of free government." (Constitution of Utah).

Now, if there are any curious enough to read the other 19 segments, here is the link:

http://www.ldsinfobase.net/liberty/BRM_ ... const.html

Secondly, if there are any curious enough to read an excellent compilation of Constitutional quotes by many church leaders, here is the name:

A Glorious Standard: for all mankind... by Chris Bentley. If Lundbaek is still offering it, contact him by PM. Once again, an excellent compilation.

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I can send via email a PDF version of A GLORIOUS STANDARD FOR ALL MANKIND. I would need a email address to send it to.

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lundbaek wrote: July 25th, 2017, 10:20 pm I can send via email a PDF version of A GLORIOUS STANDARD FOR ALL MANKIND. I would need a email address to send it to.
Thanks, Lunbaek. Now...if people want to know how to save the Constitution, this compilation is a good start. Another excellent read is (using its formal title), now get this...The United States has Two Constitutions. How? Read this by Jerome Horowitz:
http://www.inspiredconstitution.org/jh_gk/index.html

This is why the Bundy's and the Hammonds, among others, are still incarcerated, and a total kangaroo court proceeding taking place in NV. The Judge, Navarro, Will not allow the Constitution in the (her) courtroom and she doesn't allow defense attorneys to use actual facts and evidence to allow a good defense for the Bundy's, etc. Clearly a violation of our Constitution.

Also, does anyone know that the Judicial system now goes by the law of the sea, instead of the law of the land? Right here in America, people are going to prison without due process; they are guilty until proven innocent.

Want to know how to save the Constitution? Get a hold of your congressman and tell them to shape up and fly right.

Here, check this out:

Bundy Ranch: Roger Stone Demands President Trump Pardon the Bundy’s and Their Supporters! (Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVr3xft3iZQ

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Happy Constitution Day!

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/c ... &vcid=8556

Monday, 17 September 2018
24 Constitutional Questions Every American Should be Able to Answer
Written by John F. McManus

24 Constitutional Questions Every American Should be Able to Answer

September 17 is designated Constitution Day in recognition of the anniversary of the signing of the Constitution in 1787. How many of these quiz questions can you answer?

1. Q: Has the Constitution always guided the country?

A: No. Originally the nation functioned under the Continental Congress and the Articles of Confederation. But after 11 years under the Articles, the U.S. Constitution was written, agreed to, and ratified by nine states (all eventually ratified but only nine were needed to have it take effect). On September 13, 1788, the Continental Congress proclaimed that the Constitution had been properly ratified and it ordered the new government to convene on March 4, 1789.

2. Q: Does the Constitution allow the Supreme Court to make law?

A: No. The beginning of Article I states, “All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States.” Any Supreme Court decision is the law of the case and it binds only the plaintiff and the defendant. The meaning of the word “all” has not been changed.

3. Q: Does the Constitution allow the president to make law?

A: No. Executive Orders issued by the president that bind the entire nation are illicit because, as noted above, “All legislative powers” reside in Congress. An Executive Order that binds only the employees of the federal government is proper because the president should be considered to hold power much like the CEO of a corporation who can issue rules to his employees. But the entire nation is not in the employ of the president. The president does have a role in lawmaking with his possession of a veto. He can veto a measure produced by Congress (which can still be overturned), sign a law produced by Congress, or simply allow a measure to become law by doing nothing within 10 days, "Sundays excepted.”

4. Q: Does the Constitution give the federal government any power in the field of education?

A: No, none.

5. Q: Where in the Constitution is there authorization for foreign aid?

A: Nowhere is there such authorization.

6. Q: What are the three branches of government named in the Constitution?

A: Legislative, Executive, and Judicial.

7. Q: Does the Constitution have a minimum age requirement for a senator?

A: Yes. One must be 30 years old.

8. Q: What are the constitutional requirements for a person to be president?

A: A president must be a natural born citizen (not an immigrant who became a citizen), must be at least 35 years of age, and must have lived in the United States at least 14 years.

9. Q: Did the Constitution give the federal government power to create a bank?

A: No. It was given power to “coin money,” meaning the power to establish a mint where precious metal could be shaped into coinage of a fixed size, weight, and purity.

10. Q: May treaty law supersede the Constitution?

A: No.

11. Q: Does the Constitution allow a president alone to take the nation to war?

A: Absolutely not. The Constitution states very clearly that only Congress has power to take the nation into war

12. Q: Are there any specific crimes mentioned in the Constitution?

A: Yes: treason, bribery, counterfeiting, and piracy.

13. Q: Are the Bill of Rights considered part of the original Constitution?

A: Many do hold that view because if the promise to add the Bill of Rights had not been made, some of the states would not have ratified the Constitution and it might not have become the “Supreme Law of the Land.”

14. Q: According to the Constitution, how can a president and other national officials be removed from office?

A: They can be impeached by a majority in the House and tried by the Senate. Impeachment is not removal; it should be considered only as an indictment to be followed by a trial. Two-thirds of the senators “present” must approve removal at a subsequent trial or the person who has been impeached by the House shall not be removed.

15. Q: What authority does the Constitution give the vice president?

A: The vice president stands ready to take office if a president dies or becomes incapacitated. He is also president of the Senate and has the power to break a tie if one comes before it.

16. Q: How many amendments to the Constitution are there?

A: There are 27. The first 10 can be considered part of the original Constitution. And Amendment 18 was repealed by Amendment 21, which means that in a span of more than two centuries, there have been only 15 amendments. Amending the Constitution is a difficult process, made so by the Founders to keep anything silly or dangerous from being added in the heat of passion.

17. Q: Does the Constitution say anything about illegal immigration?

A: Not directly. But Article IV, Section 4 assigns to the federal government the duty to “protect each of them [the states] against invasion.” Note that it does not stipulate that an invasion be done militarily.

18. Q: Does the Constitution tell us how new states are added to the union?

A: Yes, Congress has the power to do so with a majority vote in each of its houses. It used its power, most recently, to welcome Alaska and Hawaii as the 49th and 50th states.

19. Q: How is an amendment to the Constitution added?

A: Congress can propose an amendment when two-thirds of both Houses vote to do so. It must then be ratified by either the legislature or convention in three-quarters of the states. Amendments can also be proposed by a constitutional convention called by two-thirds of the states. Any amendment arising from a constitutional convention must also be ratified by either the legislatures or conventions in three-quarters of the states.

20. Q: Is the term of a president limited by the Constitution?

A: Yes. In 1951, the Constitution was amended (Amendment 22) to limit anyone to two terms as president. The only president who served longer was Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who served into a fourth term, but died in April 1945 shortly after the beginning his 13th year in office.

21. Q: Which part of Congress is designated by the Constitution as having the “power of the purse?”

A: Article I, Section 7 states: “All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.” If a majority in the House (218 is a majority of its 435 members) refuses to originate a bill to raise revenue for any purpose, no funds can be raised, until it passes.

22. Q: How does the Constitution explain expelling an elected member of the House or Senate?

A: Two-thirds of either the House or the Senate can expel one of its members for cause even though he or she has been elected by voters.

23. Q: What does the Constitution say about financing a military arm?

A: Article I, Section 8 says that the Congress can raise an army but “no appropriation of money” to fund it shall be for longer than two years. The same Article says Congress can provide for a navy without that same restriction regarding funding. Why? The men who wrote the Constitution feared the possibility that a standing army housed within the territory of the nation might arise and seek to take power. But they did not fear that a navy would try to do that because a navy and its weaponry did not reside within the nation, but only at sea or coastal seaports.

24. Q: How many times is the word democracy mentioned in the Constitution?

A: None. America is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. A Democracy ruled by the majority can be persuaded to take away freedoms and property. Under a Constitutional Republic, such power does not exist.

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Monday, 17 September 2018
Constitution Day
Written by Rebecca Terrell

September 17, 2018 marks the 231st anniversary of the signing of the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution forged a government unique in a world of tyrants and oppressive regimes. Because of it our country has enjoyed more than two centuries of freedom, and we have the bravery and foresight of a mere handful of individuals to thank for it.

Our Founding Fathers knew the problems in their native countries had to do not with imperfect government, but with too much of it. So they sought to limit interference in the lives of the people. They humbly acknowledged that God, not government, gives rights, and that the proper role of government is to protect those rights. This is the philosophical basis of the Constitution. Its strength lies in its simplicity. Government exists to protect citizens (i.e. “provide for the common defense”) and, otherwise, to leave them alone (i.e. “promote the general Welfare”)!

Before our Constitution was ratified, the Articles of Confederation were the law of the land. They established limited government but provided no power to tax for national defense and no means to settle disputes between States. So the Founding Fathers met in Philadelphia and debated through the hot summer months of 1787. The result was a stronger central government but one with limited powers. The document they wrote governed the government, not the people. It established unambiguous boundaries of governmental power. Just to make sure the limits were clear, they added the Bill of Rights, or the first ten amendments to the Constitution. The first nine limit the government from infringing on specific individual and States' rights, and the tenth basically says, “If we forgot anything, you can’t do that either.”

Congress soon ratified the new law, and we still benefit from it today. Many now believe we live under a democracy. But even a cursory reading of the Constitution reveals differently. The word democracy does not appear even once. The Founding Fathers knew that democracies are too volatile. They are governed by the majority, by popular opinion. That sounds great until you consider that popular opinion has erroneously held such beliefs as the earth is flat, or a man named Hitler had some great ideas, or a certain innocent Man should be brutally crucified.

What did the Founding Fathers give us instead? Benjamin Franklin answered that question: “A republic ... if you can keep it.” Republics are not governed by whims of the people but by law. A republic holds in check anyone who would infringe on rights, including the government. America’s founders could have given us any form of government. (Indeed, there was a movement in the colonies advocating a monarchy under George Washington.) But these selfless men sacrificed short-term personal gain for, well ... you. You are now free to make your living without the government dictating what you can and can’t do. You can keep the fruits of your labor without worrying about the threat of government confiscation.

This Constitution Day, please take 30 minutes to watch this video from The John Birch Society presenting, clearly and concisely, the principles of good government that made our country a land of freedom and opportunity, and a beacon of hope for the entire world.

And please take time to thank God, the Giver of your rights, for our Founding Fathers and their brilliant document, the Constitution of the United States. God bless America.

**At the link above, there is a 30-minute video worth watching, IMO.

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You always post great articles!

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wow. I haven't seen this thread in years.

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In order to save it, you must first understand it. Here is a great course on the topic:

40 lectures from historian Brion McClanahan:

https://mcclanahanacademy.com/p/americanconstitutions

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