How to save the Constitution

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Arizona Congressman Andy Biggs, in Chapter 8 of his book THE DOCTRINE OF LIBERTY - INISIGHTS FROM THE BOOK OF MORMON wrote:
"If we truly believe in agency as a fundamental doctrine, then we will also support personal freedom against encroachment by government. And, if that is the case we are obligated to do a few things:

"Fast and pray. Study the scriptures and listen to the prophets. Pray for the healing of America.

"Register to vote. Encourage friends and family to register. Then cast an informed, intelligent vote.

"Read the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, The Federalist Papers, "The Law", The 5000 Year Leap and other books about current events.

"Study the history of this and other nations to come to an understanding of our current situation.

"Learn who your state and federal representatives are. They work for you. Don't be afraid to contact them.

"Don't believe everything you read or hear in the news media. they don't have enough time or resources to fully develop every side and nuance of the stories they present. Sometimes they have biases. Use alternative news outlets [talk radio, internet news, blogs, books, etc.] to become informed on issues.

"Don't believe everything you read or hear in alternative news media.

"Get informed about the current issues. Learn the background and history of the issues; even if you only have time to focus one issue.

"Learn about candidates for office. Talk about what you have learned with family and friends.

"Learn about different types of government. Learn about economic systems; capitalism, communism, socialism. Study why some governments and economies always fail, leaving people enslaved.

"Get involved in political campaigns.

Join a policy interest group or join a watchdog group or any group that watches the issues you are interested in.

"Attend the meetings of the local political parties.

"Hold cottage meetings inyour own home and invite candidates to speak or other speakers on issues that you think are important.

"Watch your municipal, county, school board, Federal, and state officials at work on the internet or on television.

"Give money and time to support good, wise candidates.

"Look up constitution, liberty, and government in the index of the scriptures and in the conference talk archives.

"Remember that when you vote in support of a bond you are voting to go into debt. Make sure its for long term items like infrastructure that will last for several generations, and not for computers which will last a couple of years while the debt will be paid off over twenty or more years. bonds will cause your children or grandchildren to be in debt. Make sure it is for something you believe in.

"Get your own nose out of the government trough. Many people progess a desire for personal liberty until their own ox in gored. Be principles enough to quit feeding iff the public dime. Remember, every dime one takes from the government is a dime that must be taken coercively from someone else.

"You may not have the time, capacity, or inclination to engage in each of these activities, but it is important that you do all you can. Our freedom and the freedom of the future of our children and this nation depends on you."


I personally am not convinced all of these things together can save the US Constitution this side of the "cleansing of America". I think we are beyond the point of no return - for now. But I do believe that doing all we can will help prepare that "remnant", those "elders of Israel" who will, as prophesied, step forth and save the Constitution.

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This has been discussed before.
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In the early 1980's and at the time of the operation of the Freeman Institute in Provo, there was a separate movement started by a person named Walter P. Mann III, “American’s for Township Government”. Amazingly some of the fuel for this movement was some of the same information Bruce had been sharing with Cleon Skousen. Bruce was asked by Walter to give him the historical background information to base the movement on and Walter developed a program to sell to get others interested in the Township movement, this program was sold far and wide and inspired many to get motivated and involved. Unfortunately the movement became tied to the tax protestor movement and anti-government movement and brought the displeasure of Authorities. These tax protestors came up with some very creative tools to irritate the government authorities and they responded with a heavy hand upon many. I don't doubt that this nation wide mess-up that started as an effort to return our country to constitutional principles helped shut down the Freeman Institute that Cleon had set up.

Check out this quote from this website:

One of the best examples of this growing sentiment in the early 1980s was the "township" movement. The township movement was started by a Utah tax protester named Walter P. Mann III, who sold information packets for $20 detailing how to avoid filing federal income tax returns and offered $1,000 seminars on forming "common law governments." His seminars became popular, as did his ideas about townships. As early as 1980 a group in South Carolina formed a "township" based on common law. Self-described survivalists who were convinced that the United States was about to collapse financially, they wanted to be ready with "an ancillary form of government." (16)

Walter Mann popularized the township concept. He argued for the creation of heavily armed communities based on "common law," which he claimed superseded the laws of the United States. By 1982, Mann boasted of chapters in 40 U.S. cities. The township concept was popular primarily because, according to the strictures, each township was completely autonomous, completely independent--most especially, independent from the federal government. Mann follower Gordan Jenkins established "Zion Township" in southern Utah, while James Wickstrom established the "Township of Tigerton Dells" in Wisconsin. Gordon Kahl was in the process of establishing a township the day marshals attempted to arrest him. Other notorious townships were established in Walla Walla, Washington and Texas. It was no coincidence that a decade later the Montana Freemen named their Montana refuge "Justus Township." These townships, according to Mann's theories, allowed their law to take precedence over the "'equity' court system."

Of course, local and state authorities were not particularly pleased with people setting up autonomous "townships" in their midst, often within the boundaries of other communities.

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What Walter P. Mann did wrong was he approached Township organization like Thomas Jefferson did in organizing them like the Puritan New Englanders had done, as Farming Guilds. Instead he should have begun to organize people like they were in any Industrial Burry of England. A Burry is the root word to Karl Marx's Burry-geoisie, the people who work together by ancient Germanic "Wealth."

We are not going to save our Constitution until we understand the ancient roots and custom behind it. So, therefore we are waiting instead for Jesus to bring The Cleansing and blow just about everybody up before we begin to do things right again.

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How can worshipers of Babylon figure out how to save the essence of our ancestral Law Religion the constitution and free society?

The Cleansing is necessary to rid Babylonians of their Babylonian culture. To clear the way for the Lord's way.
Darren wrote: February 10th, 2017, 2:32 pm I love Hugh Nibley's standing up twice at two main BYU Graduations and telling the thousands of LDS and leaders assembled there that they were all there "clothed in the black robes of a false (Satan's) priesthood." And then he said that nobody asked him why he would say such a thing, as if they all understood it already, ha, ha. Sad.
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So many more members today are willing to wear "The Robes of a False Priesthood" received in Socrates' false University culture,

50 or so years ago the culture in the church was based around the common life of the blue-collar worker, business operators, farmers, etc., and I believe that these people operated their lives around a timeless adherence towards seeking for truth by truth's ways and not just subscribing to the rhetoric of experts, scientists, philosophers and the like. A common life blessed with timeless common sense, ancestral faith, love and looking for the better in life.

Then over the years, and to the present, a cultural change has been underway in the church. Which I believe is from an inordinate preoccupation with getting a Degree from those wearing the "Robes of a False Priesthood," as we have seen an obsession in the church to get "arm of flesh" magic pieces of paper, from Socrates and his Byzantine and Babylonian Slave Culture, to be part of those people and culture who operate their lives around the rhetoric of "the smart people."

By our people focusing on University Degrees granted by The Orthodox System of Satan's Smarties we have lowered the value of living life by the believing part of our eternal beings.

On another post and in the books I make available I am promoting apprenticeships rather than College, something that could be done without any debt burden upon the people throughout the Church.

On our ward's bulletin board is an advertisement from BYU that tells housewives with young children at home that, "Its your turn" to get your degree. And so the women of the church are promoted to, that it would be a good thing to get that BYU degree, and of course more often than not means to get into student loan debt to do so.

An apprenticeship is what we enter into when we take our covenants in the temple. The Lord is the Journeyman.
A University is where we learn to base our lives on the yip and yap of Babel, that is crafted at the Tower of Babel.
There is no such thing as "The Lord's University." That is a misnomer of words from two cultures. Lord is Germanic, University is Greek.

Remember the dialogue between the Preacher and Satan in the old (pre-1990) temple film wherein Satan asks the question, "Do you preach the Orthodox Religion" and the Preacher answers, "Yes, I preach the Orthodox Religion." Satan then says, "If you will preach the Orthodox Religion, to the posterity of Adam and Eve and convert them, I will pay you well." $70 per credit hour.

For more information read this book: The History of School - http://s98822910.onlinehome.us/thousand ... school.pdf

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The constitution doesn't need saving. It needs to be implemented.

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I would suggest remembering the Principles of '98 would go a long way to "saving the Constitution"

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Most Americans know that Thomas Jefferson was the principal author of “The Declaration of Independence”, the most important of all our founding documents.

Yet few of them have even heard of another document that I would say might be the second most important declaration he ever wrote: The Kentucky Resolutions of 1798. He drafted them secretly while he was serving as vice president. It was written in response to the hated Alien and Sedition Acts which were passed under the Adams administration during an undeclared war with France.

The acts authorized the president to deport any resident alien considered dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States, to apprehend and deport resident aliens if their home countries were at war with the United States, and criminalized any speech which might defame Congress, the President, or bring either of them into contempt or disrepute. You could compare it to the Patriot Act, but really it was much worse. Either way, The Alien and Sedition Acts were probably Thomas Jefferson’s worst nightmare.

Some people are surprised to learn that in response to these acts, Jefferson did not hold up the First Amendment in protest. Rather he invoked the Tenth Amendment, which states that:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
Essentially, he argued that by passing and enforcing the Alien and Sedition Acts, the federal government had over stepped its bounds and was exercising powers which belonged to the states.

In other words, the Alien and Sedition Acts were acts of usurpation.

James Madison corresponded with Jefferson about these issues, (they suspected that their mail was being secretly opened and read by the way). As a result of their correspondence, James Madison penned another series of resolutions against the Alien and Sedition Acts, which were passed by the Virginia legislature in 1798 and 1799.

As important as these resolutions were in objecting to the unconstitutional Alien and Sedition Acts, their lasting importance was due to the the fact that they were strong statements in defense of federalism, the sovereignty of the people of the several states, and the authority of state governments to check or resist the tyrannical proclivities of the federal government.

Jefferson began the Kentucky Resolutions by explaining the exact nature of the relationship between the new federal, or general government and the states that predated it:
“Resolved, That the several States composing, the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes — delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force: that to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral part, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party: that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.”
These resolutions, authored by Jefferson and Madison, and passed by the Kentucky and Virginia Legislatures, came to be known as the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, or Resolves, of 1798. The ideas they expressed were later referred to as “The Principles of ’98”.

Over time, “The Principles of ’98” would be invoked by many states, for a variety of issues. States invoked them to oppose everything from unconstitutional embargoes in 1807-1809, to the misuse of their militias during The War of 1812, the Second Bank of the United States in 1825, and the Fugitive Slave Acts of 1850.

Even today, The Principles of ’98 have been rediscovered and are being used by both Republicans and Democrats to address unconstitutional federal laws such as federal firearms regulations, Cap and Trade, REAL ID, Obamacare and Congressional “commerce clause” abuse in general.
The Principles of ’98, as expressed in Thomas Jefferson’s other declaration, The Kentucky Resolutions, are non-partisan in nature and are just as relevant today in 2010 as they were in 1798. All we have to do is rediscover and reassert them! Start talking to your state legislators about the Principles of ’98 today!

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I think most American Latter-day Saints don't want to be bothered with getting involved with promoting adherence to the Constitution. I believe that if on this coming fast & testimony Sunday I were to tell some of what past prophets and apostles said about the Constitution, and plead for people to do as President Benson said nearly 30 years ago we MUST do - learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers - my plea would be ignored.

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And yet, there would be some who would listen to your message. Was Abenadi's pleading to king Noah in vain? I say unto you, nay. Alma the Elder heard his words and repented. So likewise, would your pleading be heard by but a small few.

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Why can't we make saving the constitution a positive, money making opportunity? Nobody wants to be "harrowed up" as the only method to get them to do something.

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It takes vision to lead people.

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It seems that to most American LDSs, including many, perhaps most members of this LDSFreedomForum saving the Constitution is not important. I think that instead of praying that God will save it for us, people should be asking how they can help save it.

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lundbaek wrote: June 7th, 2017, 2:06 pm It seems that to most American LDSs, including many, perhaps most members of this LDSFreedomForum saving the Constitution is not important. I think that instead of praying that God will save it for us, people should be asking how they can help save it.
Why not both? The two things are not mutually exclusive you know...

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The problem in saving the constitution stems from, said in the false words and culture of Socrates, that, "Virtue cannot be taught."

Virtue is taught in the living by our constitution. Constitution is just a word, that contains the articles of how to seek Virtue, whether it be an individual or a nation.

Traditionally a constitution is based on a declaration that Virtue is the guiding purpose of doing business. That Virtue is evident by perpetually seeking goodness, via best practices. This purpose was well understood in the mechanism built into the culture of Oleron, then Wisby, and the Hanse, that became the Uniform Commercial Code.

The way we save the constitution is to bring to light that Virtue can be taught, can be lived by us, as our Customs are based on seeking Virtue, and stop yielding to the divide and conquer play of Cultural Marxism.

Saving the constitution is in teaching one person at a time how to become part of what is Virtue.

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Here is one way to save the Constitution. Realize that our court system is a house of tyrannical activity. Don't believe it? Learn how freedom and liberty has been replaced with corrupt judges and that you jaw should drop to the floor:

Judge says Bundy prisoners NOT allowed to Argue their Case!


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I doubt we'd ever see the saints do this:

3 Nephi 2:12
12 Therefore, all the Lamanites who had become converted unto the Lord did unite with their brethren, the Nephites, and were compelled, for the safety of their lives and their women and their children, to take up arms against those Gadianton robbers, yea, and also to maintain their rights, and the privileges of their church and of their worship, and their freedom and their liberty.

AND, since a good share of Mormons either don't see what's happening in this country, or care enough to do anything constructive in trying to maintain freedom, perhaps, they can be under the heading of slothful or those that have to be compelled in all things.

Doctrine and Covenants 58:26
26 For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.

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The topic "LDS in Action for the U.S. Constitution viewtopic.php?f=1&t=45930 shows what some Latter-day Saints are doing to save and restore the U.S. Constitution.

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At this point, we can't save the Constitution without a fight. There is way too much corruption in high places and in our police who refuse to stand for the rights of people, but would rather harass and collect...and even kill those that call on them for help. But, at your request, I won't post a video and will, instead, allow people to wonder about my last comment.
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Please, don't spam videos in my thread.

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Durzan wrote: July 24th, 2017, 7:19 am Please, don't spam videos in my thread.
It would be helpful if people knew what the Constitution affords us besides a piece of paper with words on it. Part of saving the Constitution is to know what privileges it affords, and our God-given, inalienable rights as well as that cops all over are not honoring their oath to the Constitution because of crooked bosses looking for the next pay raise, which in turn, helps their boss get their pay increase.
Those of us that don't know their rights...have none and may end up slaves to tyranny.

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freedomforall wrote: July 25th, 2017, 4:28 am
Durzan wrote: July 24th, 2017, 7:19 am Please, don't spam videos in my thread.
It would be helpful if people knew what the Constitution affords us besides a piece of paper with words on it. Part of saving the Constitution is to know what privileges it affords, and our God-given, inalienable rights as well as that cops all over are not honoring their oath to the Constitution because of crooked bosses looking for the next pay raise, which in turn, helps their boss get their pay increase.
Those of us that don't know their rights...have none and may end up slaves to tyranny.
Then explain it simply and consciously in as few words as possible. Videos are not needed to get the point across, and half the time, the videos presents their intended points in a way that would make us think the person who made them is wearing a tinfoil hat (IE, crazy).

And, nobody likes huge walls of text, either, so keep it simple, concise, straightforward, and to the point.

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Durzan wrote: July 25th, 2017, 1:15 pm
freedomforall wrote: July 25th, 2017, 4:28 am
Durzan wrote: July 24th, 2017, 7:19 am Please, don't spam videos in my thread.
It would be helpful if people knew what the Constitution affords us besides a piece of paper with words on it. Part of saving the Constitution is to know what privileges it affords, and our God-given, inalienable rights as well as that cops all over are not honoring their oath to the Constitution because of crooked bosses looking for the next pay raise, which in turn, helps their boss get their pay increase.
Those of us that don't know their rights...have none and may end up slaves to tyranny.
Then explain it simply and consciously in as few words as possible. Videos are not needed to get the point across, and half the time, the videos presents their intended points in a way that would make us think the person who made them is wearing a tinfoil hat (IE, crazy).

And, nobody likes huge walls of text, either, so keep it simple, concise, straightforward, and to the point.
Actually, the forum is owned by BrianM, therefore, whatsoever is posted to help the poster get his or her point across, is not an infraction of forum rules. So keeping post content simple, concise, straightforward or to the point is not always going to be possible or to your liking, and is a privilege under the 1st Amendment allowing me and others to have freedom of speech whatever method is needed to do so.

And as for Silver agreeing with you, just take a look at his extra lengthy posts. How goofy can one be?

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Know Your Constitution
Bruce R. McConkie

This Article was serialized in 20 segments which appeared on the editorial page (page 4) of The Deseret News, 19 March 1945 through 10 April 1945.

1. The Unknown Constitution

The Constitution of the United States of America is the document nobody knows. Like the Bible, all Americans make reference to it, and some profess to revere it, but few read it. Fewer still understand the written words and appreciate the effect of its provisions upon their daily lives and interests.

How long has it been since you read the Constitution? Have you studied it with a view to understanding the effect it has on your daily acts? Did you know that it was the supreme law of the land, and that by it you are guaranteed the right to life, to liberty, and to property?

This is the first of a series of articles designed (1) to renew our knowledge of that document. (2) to assist us in gaining a healthy reverence for the document itself and for the rights and privileges which it guarantees, and (3) to prepare us to maintain those rights and privileges against all subversive influences however subtle.

From time to time an idea gets out into the political field to the effect that the Constitution of the United States is an anachronism, a mass of dry bones, an instrument of government adapted to a horse and buggy age.

Some of our politicians and would-be politicians are preaching that our form of government, is obsolete and that it should be replaced by a planned economy, and that the restraints of the Constitution are not practical in a modern industrial and complex civilization. They profess to admit that this form of government may have sufficed for thirteen sparsely settled colonies on the Atlantic coast but claim that it is entirely out of step with the progress of an enlightened industrial age.

In recent years recurring attempts have been made to override many of the time tested constitutional restraints with what seemed to be the will of the people for the moment. To accomplish this end. demagogues have affirmed that this basic law of the land is no longer so wholly essential as it has previously been in guaranteeing our rights and that humanitarianism and social betterment require the disregarding of some of its precepts.

To champion principles more divergent from fundamental political truth and verity would be difficult to do. To disregard the constitutional rights guaranteed in that document is to trample under foot the cumulative experience of over 900 years of the development of the common law. It is to suppose that the rights and freedoms for which Englishmen have been fighting and dying since the days of William the Conqueror have not been worth the sacrifice.

The Constitution is the very foundation and substance of the freedom of all men of this nation, and it is as needful, or more needful that its precepts be kept alive today than at any other time in the history of man's struggle for freedom. Freedom is dearly bought, but easily sold.

The study of the Constitution is the study of the rights of free men, and of the development of the liberties of the people. The Constitution is a code of the people's liberties; it came into existence by the sovereign will of the people, and is so ordered that it cannot go out of existence except by the will of the people, or at least as a result of their indifference and acquiescence.

These rights did not spring spontaneously into existence in 1787 when the Founding Fathers sat in convention in Philadelphia; they had been brought and paid for by the blood of one revolution in the colonies, and several in the mother country. If they are to be lost in our time, it will be because the descendants of the free no longer hear the cry of the blood spilled in freedom's cause crying from the ground. But they need no be lost if the valor will gained them can be found to defend them. If our freedoms should be load the lesson of history is that to regain them would require again the blood and toil and struggle by which they were made secure by our fathers.

The political and civil salvation of the United States lies in maintaining those rights and privileges and freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. A knowledge of that document is essential to a decent preparation to a decent preparation of the ability to preserve those freedoms.

"Frequent recurrence to fundamental principles is essential to the security of individual rights and the perpetuity of free government." (Constitution of Utah).

Now, if there are any curious enough to read the other 19 segments, here is the link:

http://www.ldsinfobase.net/liberty/BRM_ ... const.html

Secondly, if there are any curious enough to read an excellent compilation of Constitutional quotes by many church leaders, here is the name:

A Glorious Standard: for all mankind... by Chris Bentley. If Lundbaek is still offering it, contact him by PM. Once again, an excellent compilation.

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I can send via email a PDF version of A GLORIOUS STANDARD FOR ALL MANKIND. I would need a email address to send it to.

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lundbaek wrote: July 25th, 2017, 10:20 pm I can send via email a PDF version of A GLORIOUS STANDARD FOR ALL MANKIND. I would need a email address to send it to.
Thanks, Lunbaek. Now...if people want to know how to save the Constitution, this compilation is a good start. Another excellent read is (using its formal title), now get this...The United States has Two Constitutions. How? Read this by Jerome Horowitz:
http://www.inspiredconstitution.org/jh_gk/index.html

This is why the Bundy's and the Hammonds, among others, are still incarcerated, and a total kangaroo court proceeding taking place in NV. The Judge, Navarro, Will not allow the Constitution in the (her) courtroom and she doesn't allow defense attorneys to use actual facts and evidence to allow a good defense for the Bundy's, etc. Clearly a violation of our Constitution.

Also, does anyone know that the Judicial system now goes by the law of the sea, instead of the law of the land? Right here in America, people are going to prison without due process; they are guilty until proven innocent.

Want to know how to save the Constitution? Get a hold of your congressman and tell them to shape up and fly right.

Here, check this out:

Bundy Ranch: Roger Stone Demands President Trump Pardon the Bundy’s and Their Supporters! (Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVr3xft3iZQ

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