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The effect of Cultural Marxism in the Mormon Church

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Darren wrote: March 24th, 2017, 10:30 am The effect of Cultural Marxism in the Mormon Church
Good explication. Thanks.

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That was excellent, and right on the mark - thank you for sharing, Darren. It, sadly, describes the majority of Mormons that I know (friends, ward members, and some extended family).

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You cannot be a Social Justice Warrior and a Mormon, the two cultures are incompatible.
"I am in a happier place now."
This new "SJWs" brand of Cultural Marxism is infiltrating and destroying our Mormon Culture.

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Homosexuality, feminism and so-called intellectualism are the three greatest threats to the LDS religion.

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Fiannan wrote: Homosexuality, feminism and so-called intellectualism are the three greatest threats to the LDS religion.

I've read Packer's talk and I think I get what he's saying, but every time I see those three threats to the church listed like that, it comes across a declaration that the church's fundamental principles are homophobia, patriarchy, and anti-intellectualism.

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Does it Seem Like Mormon Leadership Embraces Cultural Marxism?
August 18, 2016
Jeffrey Johnson

One of the big questions on my mind has been why does it seem like Mormon Church leaders always embrace Cultural Marxism? In the last few years we’ve seen the church embrace gay boy scouts. We’ve seen the church embrace violent Syrian refugees who rape 5 year old girls. We see the church allowing feminists to create a laughable narrative about how BYU is a rape center, with the goal of eliminating the BYU Honor Code for girls.

And I knew that the Church has embraced soft Cultural Marxism. Then I started to think about why is this the case? Here’s my thoughts so far on this. The following is very much a though experiment and I’m sure my thinking on this is going to change a lot. Here’s my reasoning why the Church is embracing Cultural Marxism.

After getting rid of polygamy the Mormon Church decided to be typical standard Americans. Not just any old Americans but the best examples of American culture. As a culture we decided to perfectly follow American culture. We’ve tried to perfectly mirror American cultural ideals. For a long time this has been a good thing. For example when you go to Provo, Utah it is like going into a time machine. If you spend time in Provo you feel like it is 1963, JFK hasn’t been murdered, the Sexual Revolution hasn’t happened, mass immigration hasn’t turned America into a ghetto and life feels great.

In 2012 Mitt Romney ran as the personification of 1950’s America. This was supposed to be the time when the LDS Church was going to come to the forefront, show off our great American values and restore the republic. Only it didn’t happen. American’s demographics have changed to the point where it is impossible to win an election using Romney’s 1950’s America strategy. For example when you look at voter demographic breakdown, if in 2012 America had the same voter demographics as in 1984 Romney would have won as big as Ronald Reagan. That’s how much America has changed.

After watching Mitt Romney lose, Mormon Church power players saw that America changed. Acting like it is 1963 isn’t going to work anymore. Mormon Church leadership saw that the new dominant cultural narrative is Cultural Marxism. Traditionally the plan for Mormon Church survival and growth has been to follow American culture. If the Church wanted to follow American culture it would have to embrace the Current Year philosophy. LDS Church leadership decided to try to softly mirror the Cultural Marxist narrative without going off the deep end.

This is why you saw the Mormon Church &#%! and allow gay scout leaders to molest Boy Scouts. This is why you see things like the church letting feminists rant against the BYU Honor Code. This is why you see the church shilling for dangerous Muslim immigrants who rape 5 year old girls. This is why you see the church letting gay activists invent the so-called Utah gay teenager suicide crisis. This is why you see Mormon Church marketing materials doing the whole cute White girls with a black guy thing.

The reason why the Church is doing this is because Church leadership believes that America is totally controlled by the left and it isn’t going to change. They want to be the approved token religion the left allows to live. It’s kind of like how Glenn Beck went to that stupid meeting at Facebook to kiss up to Mark Zuckerberg. Beck wanted his media company to be the approved conservative website. Of course Cuckersperg didn’t give Beck anything except a photo op. It will be the same with the Mormon Church. The Cultural Marxists won’t let us be the approved Christian church. All we will get is more claims of homophobia, sexism and racism until we are a totally diluted and useless church just like mainline Protestant churches.

http://www.redgulls.com/2016/08/18/seem ... l-marxism/

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IMO The Church needs to do something quick to get all the youth out of public schools before it is too late. Cultural Marxism is taking over, and the students are quickly being indoctrinated into Communism.

If I were a parent of young children, I would consider relocating to a predominately LDS community so my kids would have more support at school from other LDS kids.

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Matchmaker wrote: March 24th, 2017, 2:51 pm IMO The Church needs to do something quick to get all the youth out of public schools before it is too late. Cultural Marxism is taking over, and the students are quickly being indoctrinated into Communism.

If I were a parent of young children, I would consider relocating to a predominately LDS community so my kids would have more support at school from other LDS kids.
Doesn't help when people like Elder Oaks goes all snowflake at times in his talks.

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Matchmaker wrote: March 24th, 2017, 2:51 pm IMO The Church needs to do something quick to get all the youth out of public schools before it is too late. Cultural Marxism is taking over, and the students are quickly being indoctrinated into Communism.

If I were a parent of young children, I would consider relocating to a predominately LDS community so my kids would have more support at school from other LDS kids.
Several years ago, friends of mine with children moved from TX to Utah. They lived in a very highly concentrated area of Mormons. Their high school aged daughter joined the debate team, and one of the first debate assignments (this was shortly before the SCOTUS ruling) was gay marriage. No one would volunteer to take the anti-gay-marriage side of the debate. When she said she would debate that side, she was mocked by the other students. The Cultural Marxism has infiltrated very deeply. It's too late.

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It could just be that society is getting more liberal. I mean, the Civil Rights movement in America could well have been a Communist plot, but more likely it was just the natural evolution of a culture moving away from racism.

Likewise, isn't it likely that homophobia is just falling out of favor as society becomes more open, and people begin to associate more with gays and lesbians and question why they are supposed to be so dangerous? Maybe it's more comforting to think that our own values would endure forever if only our public and private institutions had not been infiltrated by sinister Frankfurt School operatives, but is that really likely?

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captainfearnot
It's not only likely, it's a fact.
Exactly how it works and is played out is set forth rather well by the young lady in the op and Darren answering his question about how and why it has infected the church to such an extent.
There is a difference between right and wrong that cultural anything will never change. But the culture has become so corrupt that they refuse to accept and recognize it. Don't you join them. If you already have, look back to your values.
Don't drink the Kool Aid.
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Fantastic video, there in the op. Amazing that there are still young people who can proceed thru' the whole minefield and come out aware of reality.

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Matchmaker wrote: March 24th, 2017, 2:51 pm IMO The Church needs to do something quick to get all the youth out of public schools before it is too late. Cultural Marxism is taking over, and the students are quickly being indoctrinated into Communism.

If I were a parent of young children, I would consider relocating to a predominately LDS community so my kids would have more support at school from other LDS kids.
Why? The very last people our kids could count on at school were other LDS kids. Most of the LDS kids were the biggest bullies and sluttiest kids of the whole high school (and remember - kids learn their behaviors predominantly from their parents - so that should tell you what their parents are like - many of whom were/are in Bishoprics and our stake presidency). Our boys have learned just as much socialist crap at BYU than they ever did at their high school (which had exactly zero LDS teachers). In our youngest son's huge freshman English class at BYU, the prof asked early last year for a raise of hands of who was going to vote for the socialist Sanders, and fully 80% of the class raised their hands. My brother, sister, and I never once got offered drugs growing up, and attending high school, in Phoenix. Nope, that didn't happen till we went to BYU. I hear more pro-socialist garbage preached in church every Sunday than even here on LDSFF. Sorry, but it's been way too late for decades now.

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A lot of this started when President Hinckley began the "We are just like everyone else" sort of strategy to reach out to people and get them interested in the Church. Sadly many, many Mormons grabbed onto the concept and began to adopt the "ideals" of American culture, which included all sorts of being "nice" by being accepting, then tolerant and then championing the concepts promoted in media, education and society. I happen to believe, and please do not let this derail the thread but I really do believe it is relevant, that the whole anti-porn hysteria in Church is an attempt to anchor into something that allows us a culturally-accepted avenue to say we still are different. Yet this campaign is very often integrated into a feminist, social-justice warrior, narrative as it presents the big, bad white male using this garbage yes, but minimizes any mention of the women who use it. Wake up and recognize how destructive the message can be, even with good intentions. I mean that is how socialism works too, right?

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Fiannan wrote: March 24th, 2017, 11:35 pm A lot of this started when President Hinckley began the "We are just like everyone else" sort of strategy to reach out to people and get them interested in the Church. Sadly many, many Mormons grabbed onto the concept and began to adopt the "ideals" of American culture, which included all sorts of being "nice" by being accepting, then tolerant and then championing the concepts promoted in media, education and society. I happen to believe, and please do not let this derail the thread but I really do believe it is relevant, that the whole anti-porn hysteria in Church is an attempt to anchor into something that allows us a culturally-accepted avenue to say we still are different. Yet this campaign is very often integrated into a feminist, social-justice warrior, narrative as it presents the big, bad white male using this garbage yes, but minimizes any mention of the women who use it. Wake up and recognize how destructive the message can be, even with good intentions. I mean that is how socialism works too, right?
Fiannan,
Spot on mate!

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This rot has been creeping in since the late 1870's. Brigham Young warned against tax payer funded public schools. Back in the early 60's, Elder Benson, among others, warned extensively about this, but it was rejected by the Saints. Now there is general acceptance among the membership of creeping socialism. When social security first came out, the leadership warned against it. Then came food stamps. Now all these things are a "right." Even bishops and stake presidents promote socialist programs. Elder H. Verlan Andersen wrote that socialism is nothing more than Satan's pre-existent plan repackaged here on earth. I wonder what the members would think if they realized that they are now voting in Satan's favor?

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I think Lucifer gets a lot more credit than he deserves.

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I'm glad you've been thinking about this, Darren, because it's stimulating to read someone else's thoughts. This is a huge issue that's had my concern for a long time.

I'm always trying to figure out why the GA's seem careful NOT to validate any concern members might have about the insidious secret combinations that the Book of Mormon says will be among us, and are obviously at work today. I half wonder if maybe they're in on it, to some degree. I mean, no group has better warning about this than we do, but why the extreme silence and only weak words about "religious freedom" from the leaders? Smells like "fear of man". I yearn for a better explanation, but that's all I can come up with.

It's hard for me to imagine that they all figured out that the plan will be to play along and look like nice guys while our liberty is dissolved away. At least, it's hard for me to imagine that such directives would come from the Lord.

As it's written, intelligence is the glory of God. It just seems missing in action these days.

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Rumpelstiltskin wrote: March 25th, 2017, 3:58 am This rot has been creeping in since the late 1870's... I wonder what the members would think if they realized that they are now voting in Satan's favor?
Well, some certain people would have to point that out to them, without mincing words, in order for it to register in their "truth" filter. They're not going to listen to some rogue peon, like you or me. Actually, those that want to know, have already known for a long time. Those that don't want to know, don't, and maybe won't. Agency, I guess. We've got that.

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Many people in the Church, and I include myself in this criticism, to one degree or another, have achieved a certain level of comfort, status, and financial security in their lives and in their communities and may be hesitant to do anything major that would socially or politically rock the boat and cause them to lose their money, material possessions, public admiration, or protected status.

Conveniently, they can also use the Article of Faith that refers to obeying the laws of the land as justification for not doing anything really constructive at this time to stop the rapid decay.

However, a correction, which is going to come someday whether people want it to or not, is going to be especially painful for these people. Some of them may choose their money and their comfortable life over the Church.

Didn't Brigham Young say something about the wealth and comfort of the people contributing to their downfall.

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Young might have said it, but it's been a common trope in history since the dawn of civilization. Voltaire described human history as the sound of hobnailed boots climbing upstairs, and silken slippers padding down.

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The LDS Church is more international than 100 years, 50 years, or even 20 years ago.

There was not a single member in Nigeria in 1977. There are nearly 200k members now in 42 stakes, with more wards and branches than Canada.

In 1994 when the 2000th stake in the world was created in Mexico there were half a million members and one temple. There are now 13 temples and nearly a million and a half members.

In Ezra Taft Benson's day as President of the Church 70 percent of the Church was American. It is down to about 43 percent. Latin American membership is at 40 percent.

So when you see something decidedly non American don't get offended and call it Marxist.

Chances are they are reflecting new realities.

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So when you see something decidedly non American don't get offended and call it Marxist.

Chances are they are reflecting new realities.
You ever been to Africa? The people there are fiercely traditional on social issues. So if the Church wants to truly be "international" they need to become far more outspoken on moral and family issues, not less. And as for Europe who cares? The Church is dying there, as is all traditional values and religion except Islam.

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captainfearnot wrote: March 25th, 2017, 11:54 am Young might have said it, but it's been a common trope in history since the dawn of civilization. Voltaire described human history as the sound of hobnailed boots climbing upstairs, and silken slippers padding down.
And many of the men will not just be wearing silken slippers but also silk gowns. :-B

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Robin Hood wrote: March 25th, 2017, 4:32 am I think Lucifer gets a lot more credit than he deserves.
If anything, Satan doesn't get enough credit. There are two forces in this world: God (good) and Satan (evil). There is no in between. All too many Saints have been taken in by the wisdom of the world that says, "There is no devil. What we see is simply the evil passions of men." In 2001, the Deseret News reported on a survey conducted by the Barna Group. The LDS were asked if they believed if Satan was a real personage of spirit who influenced their actions. A staggering 41% said they did not believe this. The scriptures teach that everything good comes from God and everything evil comes from the Devil. Marxism in any form, however insignificant, is evil and comes from the Devil. No, we don't give Satan nearly enough credit.

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