Didn't President Benson Warn Us About Government Overreach and Tyranny?

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Didn't President Benson Warn Us About Government Overreach and Tyranny?

Postby freedomforall » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:09 pm

Although this is old news, the horrific impact still exists. Does anyone see where we are headed unless true Americans stand up for liberty as admonished be President Benson?

Napolitano Exposed The Government And Was Fired! Now Obama, DOJ, Hillary, Lynch, Comey!
Why are so many people content with this wicked virus now plaguing our very existence?

What's next, our playing ring-around-the-rosie behind an electrified chainlink fence, all due to apathy?
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Re: Didn't President Benson Warn Us About Government Overreach and Tyranny?

Postby lundbaek » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:19 pm

This OP causes me to think on how many Church members have over the years ignored advice and warnings of living prophets. I guess it shouldn't be a surprise. Three previous civilizations have becone virtually extinct for the same basic reason.

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Re: Didn't President Benson Warn Us About Government Overreach and Tyranny?

Postby freedomforall » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:35 pm

lundbaek wrote:This OP causes me to think on how many Church members have over the years ignored advice and warnings of living prophets. I guess it shouldn't be a surprise. Three previous civilizations have becone virtually extinct for the same basic reason.
Because evil is chosen over good.
I think at this point we're going to have to shed blood in order to bring back the type of government the Founders had in mind. However, for every good thing to comes about, Old Scratch ruins it.
The only safe place will be the New Jerusalem, where Old Scratch won't be able to have any influence. And I figure that even if there are tent cities, there will still be a small percent of the people that will be non cons and end up trouble makers. Old Scratch will not be able to be held back from continuing to tempt even the best among us.
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Re: Didn't President Benson Warn Us About Government Overreach and Tyranny?

Postby Silver » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:00 pm

So I ask all who see this thread to explain how the US government currently finances its overreach and tyranny. Tyranny can't happen without funding.
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Re: Didn't President Benson Warn Us About Government Overreach and Tyranny?

Postby freedomforall » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:33 pm

Silver wrote:So I ask all who see this thread to explain how the US government currently finances its overreach and tyranny. Tyranny can't happen without funding.
Say what?
Let's not consider that proponents of socialism are rampant in government.
Let's not consider that many Mormons are proponents of socialism.
Let's not consider that many civilizations were swept off the earth because of lawless government and chaos among men.
Let's not consider that there are many, many incidents we read of in the Book of Mormon where we can learn what to look for and try to hamper.
Let's not consider that President Benson warned us time and time again to not let socialism get above us.
Let's not consider that there are two United States Constitutions. One is the Founders, the other is the Judicial system's. Ever heard of A2/A:D? This is the Law of the Navy. It stands for "Access To...switch...Area Denied." This is why people lose in court because they are pronounced guilty because they were convicted by the law of the sea, not the Constitution.

Here are 61 points from the Book of Mormon:

61 points about Secret Combinations in the Book of Mormon

1.Secret combinations existed in times of old (2 Nephi 26:22)

2.They have secret oaths, covenants, agreements, signs, wonders, and plans (Alma 37:27,32)

3.Alma commanded his son not to reveal their secret oaths and covenants to the general public (Alma 37:27)

4.They murdered the prophets (Alma 37:30)

5.The object of all those who belonged to the secret society was to murder, rob, and gain power (Helaman 2:8)

6.They were established in the more settled part of the land (Helaman 3:23)

7.Those at the head of the government for a time did not know they existed (Helaman 3:23)

8.Many were baptized into the church while the secret society was being established (Helaman 3:24) 43 BC

9.After the people had been blessed so long with riches and were not engaged in wars, the people started to set their hearts on riches, so they began to murder and steal as part of a secret combination (Helaman 6:17)

10.They murdered chief judges (Helaman 6:19)

11.When the Lamanites found out that there were secret combinations among them, they tried to destroy them out of their midst (Helaman 6:20)

12.The Nephites united with the secret combination (Helaman 6:21) 25 BC

13.The members of the secret combination covenanted with each other that they would protect and help each other, and not let each other be brought to punishment (Helaman 6:12)

14.They had secret signs and words to identity each other (Helaman 6:22)

15.They covenanted with each other that they should not do wickedness to each other (Helaman 6:22)

16.They would punish any member of the secret combination that would reveal their wickedness (Helaman 6:24)

17.Gadianton had the same oaths and covenants in his secret combination that existed in the secret combinations of the Jaredites, yet Gadianton did not get those oaths and covenants from the plates, but from the devil (Helaman 6:26)

18.The Lamanites destroyed the secret combination from among them by teaching the word of God to them (Helaman 6:37)

19.The Nephites built them up (Helaman 6:38)

20.The secret combination among the Nephites started with the more wicked people, but eventually spread over the whole land. (Helaman 6:38)

21.The more part of the righteous of the Nephites to believe in their works and to partake of their spoils and join with them in murders (Helaman 6:38) 24 BC

22.The secret combination did obtain sole management of the government (Helaman 6:39)

23.Once in power, they began to abuse the poor and humble followers of God (Helaman 6:39)

24.Nephi asked the Lord to send a famine to get the people to repent of supporting the secret combination and performing wicked deeds. Many died, and they began to repent. (Helaman 11:4)

25.The Nephites swept the secret combination out from among them, and the famine ended (Helaman 11:10)

26.Nephite dissenters searched for the plans of Gadianton (Helaman 11:26)

27.They hid in the mountains (Helaman 11:31)

28.At first the Nephites started to repent, but then the just grew more wicked (Helaman 11:37)

29.Many dissenters of the Nephites joined the secret combination, and many of the children were flattered into joining them (3 Nephi 1:28-29)

30.The Nephites continued to fight the secret combination, even though the Nephites remained wicked (3 Nephi 2:10)

31.The leader of the secret combination invited the leader of the Nephites to become equal brothers with them in the secret combination, and equal in all their possessions (3 Nephi 3:7)

32.The leader of the secret combination declared his society and its works to be good and of an ancient date and that it has been handed down to them (3 Nephi 9)

33.The leader of the secret combination accused the Nephites of having retained the rights of government from the people (3 Nephi 3:10)

34.The leader of the secret combination demanded that the Nephites yield all their possession to them (3 Nephi 3:10)

35.The Nephites defeated the secret combination and attributed their victory to their humility and repentance (3 Nephi 4:33)

36.The Nephites put an end to the secret combination (3 Nephi 5:6)

37.Judge secretly were putting to death those that were testifying to the people about their wickedness. Only the chief judge was legally allowed to put someone to death (3 Nephi 6:23)

38.The judge formed a secret combination among themselves to avoid punishment from their crimes, using the same covenants of previous secret combination (3 Nephi 6:28)

39.This new secret combination sought to kill the people of god, kill the chief judge, and establish a king (2 Nephi 6:30)

40.They murdered the chief judge and the Nephites split into tribes (3 Nephi 7:2)

41.They caused a great contention in the land so that almost all the righteous had become wicked (3 Nephi 7:7)

42.They put a man over them as their king (3 Nephi 7:10)

43.After Christ came and the the Nephites and Lamanites were righteous for many years, they began again to build up a secret combinations (4 Nephi 1:42)

44.The Book of Mormon will be brought forth in a day when the blood of saints shall cry unto the Lord, because of secret combinations (Mormon 8:27)

45.The Jaredites brought with them a record of secret combinations (Ether 8:9)

46.The daughter of a Jaredite king used an ancient account of a secret combination obtaining a kingdom and great glory as a model for a plan to get her own father's kingdom back (Ether 8:9,18)

47.Moroni purposefully did not write the oaths of the secret combinations because they are already had among all people (Ether 8:20)

48.Secret combinations have caused the destruction of the Nephites (Ether 8:21)

49.Whatsoever nation that upholds secret combinations shall be destroyed (Ether 8:22)

50.Moroni wrote about the secret combinations for the benefit of the Gentiles, so that they could repent and not be overpowered by the secret combinations (Ether 8:23)

51.The Lords commands that when we see secret combinations come among us that we should awake to a sense of our awful situation (Ether 8:24)

52.Those who build up secret combinations seek to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and all people (Ether 8:25)

53.The kingdom of Omer was overthrown because of secret combinations (Ether 9:1)

54.The hearts of all the Jaredites had become corrupt because of the secret combinations (Ether 9:6)

55.The son of a king sought after secret plans of old to dethrone his father (Ether 9:26)

56.A secret combination cause the people to rebel against the king and the kingdom was split (Ether 11:15)

57.The Lord decreed that another people would possess the land because of the wickedness of the people and the secret combinations (Ether
11:21-22)

58.Mighty men rose up and tried to use their secret combination to destroy the king (Ether 13:15)

59.The secret combination killed many people in their effort to obtain the kingdom from the king (Ether 13:18)

60.A king received great strength because of secret combinations (Ether 14:8)

61.A king's high priest murdered his king, and then that high priest was murdered by a member of that secret combinations (Ether 8:9-10)

And these combinations exist today. They are funded by Soros and other banksters in an effort to overthrow our republic and enlave us. Our meager taxes also help the wicked in that effort.
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Re: Didn't President Benson Warn Us About Government Overreach and Tyranny?

Postby Silver » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:55 pm

freedomforall wrote:
Silver wrote:So I ask all who see this thread to explain how the US government currently finances its overreach and tyranny. Tyranny can't happen without funding.
And these combinations exist today. They are funded by Soros and other banksters in an effort to overthrow our republic and enlave us. Our meager taxes also help the wicked in that effort.
Bingo! Then we should oppose any and all of them who try to insinuate themselves into our government.
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Postby lundbaek » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:13 am

There are Americans, even some of my acquaintance who constantly try to oppose any and all of the latter-day gadiantons and globalists who try to insinuate themselves into our government and prepare our country for submission to the new world order. One of them was just elected to the U.S.House of Representatives. Another is a leader of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. Some are active in the John Birch Society. Some are active in the Constitution Party. Some are trying to restore the Republican Party according to its charter. Some are actively engaged in teaching the principles of the US Constitution. And some just plain don't know what to do.

I also have many more acquaintances and associates who should be aware of the admonitions of past prophets to learn, uphold and abide by the principles of the US Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers, and to be aware of the warnings of secret combinations intend on destroying our freedoms and the admonitions to suffer not that those murderous combinations get above us. For the most part, these people are not aware of the danger we are in of losing more of our rights to life, liberty and control of property.

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Postby freedomforall » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:40 am

lundbaek wrote:There are Americans, even some of my acquaintance who constantly try to oppose any and all of the latter-day gadiantons and globalists who try to insinuate themselves into our government and prepare our country for submission to the new world order. One of them was just elected to the U.S.House of Representatives. Another is a leader of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. Some are active in the John Birch Society. Some are active in the Constitution Party. Some are trying to restore the Republican Party according to its charter. Some are actively engaged in teaching the principles of the US Constitution. And some just plain don't know what to do.

I also have many more acquaintances and associates who should be aware of the admonitions of past prophets to learn, uphold and abide by the principles of the US Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers, and to be aware of the warnings of secret combinations intend on destroying our freedoms and the admonitions to suffer not that those murderous combinations get above us. For the most part, these people are not aware of the danger we are in of losing more of our rights to life, liberty and control of property.
Why is it that so many Americans do not see what is happening? Why are they content in allowing the NWO to take control of their lives? Why do they not care about losing their freedom and liberty?
Why do the righteous have to stand by and witness the decay and wickedness prevail? Why can't strong faith and priesthood power stop this trend?
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Postby Silver » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:45 am

lundbaek wrote:There are Americans, even some of my acquaintance who constantly try to oppose any and all of the latter-day gadiantons and globalists who try to insinuate themselves into our government and prepare our country for submission to the new world order. One of them was just elected to the U.S.House of Representatives. Another is a leader of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. Some are active in the John Birch Society. Some are active in the Constitution Party. Some are trying to restore the Republican Party according to its charter. Some are actively engaged in teaching the principles of the US Constitution. And some just plain don't know what to do.

I also have many more acquaintances and associates who should be aware of the admonitions of past prophets to learn, uphold and abide by the principles of the US Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers, and to be aware of the warnings of secret combinations intend on destroying our freedoms and the admonitions to suffer not that those murderous combinations get above us. For the most part, these people are not aware of the danger we are in of losing more of our rights to life, liberty and control of property.
I would like to know the name of the congressman so I can support him/her.
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Re: Didn't President Benson Warn Us About Government Overreach and Tyranny?

Postby Vision » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:04 am

lundbaek wrote:This OP causes me to think on how many Church members have over the years ignored advice and warnings of living prophets. I guess it shouldn't be a surprise. Three previous civilizations have becone virtually extinct for the same basic reason.
How can church members ignore advice when they followed Benson's warning in following points 2 & 3 of his 14 points talk. Numbers 2 & 3 end the reliance on scripture and dead prophets so his warnings are muted by his own talk. Just another example of "irony's" of following the prophet.

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Postby lundbaek » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:48 am

To Silver's immediately above question:
When Arizona Congressional Rep. Matt Salmon decided to retire (for the 2nd time) from the US Congress he approached the current President of the Arizona State Senate, Andy Biggs and asked him to consider running to replace him in Congress. It has been my observation that Andy believes strongly that as a LDS he has a doctrinal imperative to do all he can to preserve liberty. He is very well versed in both the U.S. and the Arizona State Constitutions. He has expressed his belief that each person has inherent rights constituent to his/her humanness which cannot be justly abrogated by government, that those rights come from God, and that governments were instituted of God to protect those rights.

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Re: Didn't President Benson Warn Us About Government Overreach and Tyranny?

Postby kittycat51 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:51 am

freedomforall wrote:
lundbaek wrote:This OP causes me to think on how many Church members have over the years ignored advice and warnings of living prophets. I guess it shouldn't be a surprise. Three previous civilizations have becone virtually extinct for the same basic reason.
Because evil is chosen over good.
I think at this point we're going to have to shed blood in order to bring back the type of government the Founders had in mind. However, for every good thing to comes about, Old Scratch ruins it.
The only safe place will be the New Jerusalem, where Old Scratch won't be able to have any influence. And I figure that even if there are tent cities, there will still be a small percent of the people that will be non cons and end up trouble makers. Old Scratch will not be able to be held back from continuing to tempt even the best among us.
Thank you freedom for putting a smile on my face this morning. :) Your usage of "old scratch" takes me back to when I first heard that term used. My father use to serve on the Young Men General Board in the 80's with Elder Hartman Rector Jr. We were in a small fireside setting one time and Elder Rector warned us to always be aware of "old scratch". As a teenager I thought it was pretty funny. I always think of him when I hear that phrase; he used it frequently.

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Re: Didn't President Benson Warn Us About Government Overreach and Tyranny?

Postby tribrac » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:31 pm

lundbaek wrote:This OP causes me to think on how many Church members have over the years ignored advice and warnings of living prophets. I guess it shouldn't be a surprise. Three previous civilizations have become virtually extinct for the same basic reason.

In my living memory I haven't heard any warnings like those presented by the OP, atleast not from living prophets. I've heard it plenty from the fringe. So what is a guy like me supposed to believe? Does it even matter anymore?

Sometimes I wonder what the teachings of Mormon and Moroni or other living prophets sounded like to the few remaining faithful members in 340 AD or 381 AD.
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Postby Silver » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:42 pm

tribrac wrote:
lundbaek wrote:This OP causes me to think on how many Church members have over the years ignored advice and warnings of living prophets. I guess it shouldn't be a surprise. Three previous civilizations have become virtually extinct for the same basic reason.

In my living memory I haven't heard any warnings like those presented by the OP, at least not from living prophets. I've heard it plenty from the fringe. So what is a guy like me supposed to believe? Does it even matter anymore?

Sometimes I wonder what the teachings of Mormon and Moroni or other living prophets sounded like to the few remaining faithful members in 340 AD or 381 AD.
You bring up a great point. It is too late for America to recover. It was eventually too late in Mormon's day and that's why he taught faith, hope and charity, the great Moroni, Chapter 7, lesson. I hear lots of similar sermons in the General Conference talks lately.
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Postby Silver » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:46 pm

lundbaek wrote:To Silver's immediately above question:
When Arizona Congressional Rep. Matt Salmon decided to retire (for the 2nd time) from the US Congress he approached the current President of the Arizona State Senate, Andy Biggs and asked him to consider running to replace him in Congress. It has been my observation that Andy believes strongly that as a LDS he has a doctrinal imperative to do all he can to preserve liberty. He is very well versed in both the U.S. and the Arizona State Constitutions. He has expressed his belief that each person has inherent rights constituent to his/her humanness which cannot be justly abrogated by government, that those rights come from God, and that governments were instituted of God to protect those rights.
Thanks. Done.
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Re: Didn't President Benson Warn Us About Government Overreach and Tyranny?

Postby lundbaek » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:11 pm

Tribrac is not hardly alone in not having heard or read admonitions by living prophets and apostles that we learn, uphold and abide by the principles of the US Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers, and that we be aware of the warnings of secret combinations intent on destroying our freedoms and the admonitions to suffer not that those murderous combinations get above us. I am aware of only a few members in our stake who are aware of these admonitions and the accompanying instructions that were given.

It seems very few LDSs are aware that in the October 1987 General Conference President Benson told us that "We must learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers."

It seems very few LDSs know that President Benson, speaking in the Church General Conference in October 1988, said: "I testify that wickedness is rapidly expanding in every segment of our society. It is more highly organized, more cleverly disguised, and more powerfully promoted than ever before. Secret combinations lusting for power, gain and glory are flourishing. A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world."

It seems very few LDSs read President (of the 12) Boyd K. Packer's statement in the August 2010 Ensign (Pg. 23) that: "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton ‘are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you. [Ether 8:20, 23–24]

It seems few members of this forum are cognizant of these an many similar statements by latter-day prophets and apostles.

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Postby Silver » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:26 pm

Right, lunbaek. There's a reason why the plates were preserved and the BoM was specifically abridged to contain the words we have today. Ether 8 is true and at some point in the future the following will also be true:

Helaman 13:
38 But behold, your days of probation are past; ye have procrastinated the day of your salvation until it is everlastingly too late, and your destruction is made sure; yea, for ye have sought all the days of your lives for that which ye could not obtain; and ye have sought for happiness in doing iniquity, which thing is contrary to the nature of that righteousness which is in our great and Eternal Head.

I just consider it very unfortunate that many on LDSFF can't see that those who uphold and support and finance the secret combinations are being nominated for Trump's cabinet. The names Kissinger and Soros, an organization like the CFR, warmongers...they'r'e all there.
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Re: Didn't President Benson Warn Us About Government Overreach and Tyranny?

Postby lundbaek » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:49 pm

Iniquity is certainly largely responsible for our "awful situation" today. But I attribute it also to negligence. I attribute it to failure of local Church authorities including stake presidents and bishops to follow-up with reminders of those above statements and many others similar. I attribute it to members who ignored those and similar statements, including members who when they hear of them now claim they are not now applicable for one reason or another. And there are those I have heard say that Ezra Taft Benson was wrong for one reason or another in making the statements that he gave. Too many members do not understand that freedom, liberty, free agency, and preservation of this (once) free nation are components of the Gospel and incalculably important to the perpetuation and spread of the Gospel. I am reminded of the 2014 statement of Elder Dallin Oaks: "I see it as a responsibility for well-educated citizens, members of the bar and opinion leaders to be acquainted with the United States Constitution and its guarantees." I understand "well-educated citizens" to include members of the LDS Church. And I take "opinion leaders" to include LDS Church authorities.

I do not fault those Church members who for whatever reasons did not have the opportunity to hear or read the admonitions and warnings that I refer to. Nor do I fault the "Brethren" now for trying to protect the Church from the retribution that surely would come if they started talking and writing on these things at this time.

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Re: Didn't President Benson Warn Us About Government Overreach and Tyranny?

Postby JK4Woods » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:59 pm

Google "Serco Secrets" and tune in to "AbleDanger" live stream for information that will show that secret combinations are so entwined as to be impossible to undue.


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