Nullification in One Lesson

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Nullification in One Lesson

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The video was incorrect in stating that Jefferson didn't clarify how to implement nullification -

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Obrien wrote:The video was incorrect in stating that Jefferson didn't clarify how to implement nullification -

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
Perhaps you confuse nullification and secession. However, neither require violence, only a heavy dose of civil disobedience, unless those being nullified and seceded against are real jerks.

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ajax wrote:
Obrien wrote:The video was incorrect in stating that Jefferson didn't clarify how to implement nullification -

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
Perhaps you confuse nullification and secession. However, neither require violence, only a heavy dose of civil disobedience, unless those being nullified and seceded against are real jerks.
No, I am pretty clear on both topics. You are correct in this assertion - it is the main driver for the level of resistance required.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security - TJ

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Obrien wrote:
ajax wrote:
Obrien wrote:The video was incorrect in stating that Jefferson didn't clarify how to implement nullification -

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
Perhaps you confuse nullification and secession. However, neither require violence, only a heavy dose of civil disobedience, unless those being nullified and seceded against are real jerks.
No, I am pretty clear on both topics.
I figured you were, but just in case... :D

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For clarifiction:

(Nullification)
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.


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But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
- TJ[/quote]

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This makes little difference today. The federal government has assumed for itself what amounts to unlimited power. If a state steps out of line, the fed will start with passive measures, with the controlling of the purse strings. States which didn't want their education programs aligned with NCLB opted out, and it cost them dearly in federal funding. Luckily, Wyoming was well enough off and bold enough to tell the fed where they could stick their funding. Eventually other states followed suit and it finally lost steam, but has been generally replaced by Common Whore, er, I mean Common Core.

If using economic threats fails to work, they're certainly willing to send in guns to back their power up with force like they did in Little Rock in 1957.

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