Is it time to step things up a notch.

[lundbaek]

There have been several statements attributed to latter-day prophets that indicate that after the U.S. Constitution has been largely abandoned, a people referred to as "elders of Israel" will restore its principles to government. For example, Joseph Smith, July 19, 1840: "Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction." From these statements and others found in scripture it appears to some Latter-day Saints that this will occur after a "cleansing" referred to in the Doctrine and Covenants.

If you believe this is correct, will you be prepared to to participate in the restoration of the principles of the original US Constitution to government ? Do you feel confident that you could judge whether or not a piece of proposed legislation or a program is constitutional or not ? Do you feel confident that you could judge whether or not a candidate for any elected legislative, executive or judicial office truly espouses and would abide by the principles of the Constitution ?

I remember in 1987 the Prophet told members of the LDS Church that "We must learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers." Do you believe that commandment still applies today, 29 years later ? Should we bother to try to teach about it and its principles to our children and grandchildren ? Or is it no longer applicable today ? Since it is not a "prophetic priority" can we ignore it ? Do you even care about it ? Do you think it is too late to resurrect the US Constitution ?

[skmo]

Do you think it is too late to resurrect the US Constitution ?

Without Divine Intervention, yes.

[Original_Intent]

Do you think it is too late to resurrect the US Constitution ?

Without Divine Intervention, yes.

and yet, God rarely if ever does for us what we are capable and even commanded to do ourselves.

We must at least do our part.

[Older/wiser?]

Maybe we have carried "agree with thine adversaries" a little to far. The time may becoming when we will be forced to grow a backbone, at this point we have lost so much the cost will indeed be high. Divine intervention comes when "principles of righteousness" are in us.

[mes5464]

I want to say that I agree with the comments that we must actively participate in the redemption of our nation. The scriptures are replete with examples of Father taking credit for saving us but the account tells how the people did the fighting. In other words, we do not get to escape the law of sacrifice. If there is anything worth having then it is worth sacrificing for and Father will expect us to make that sacrifice.

And there is this:

Doctrine and Covenants 101:56

55 And the lord of the vineyard said unto one of his servants: Go and gather together the residue of my servants, and take all the strength of mine house, which are my warriors, my young men, and they that are of middle age also among all my servants, who are the strength of mine house, save those only whom I have appointed to tarry;

56 And go ye straightway unto the land of my vineyard, and redeem my vineyard; for it is mine; I have bought it with money.

57 Therefore, get ye straightway unto my land; break down the walls of mine enemies; throw down their tower, and scatter their watchmen.

58 And inasmuch as they gather together against you, avenge me of mine enemies, that by and by I may come with the residue of mine house and possess the land.

[lundbaek]

"Unless we members of the Church do all we can to preserve the freedoms we have, within the bounds of the laws of God, we will be held accountable."
(Principles of the Gospel, Pg. 136).

I believe the Lord has, thru scriptures, prophets and apostles, repeatedly given members of the Church more than adequate instruction on what we should have done to preserve the freedoms we were given in America in 1787.

[Mark]

"Unless we members of the Church do all we can to preserve the freedoms we have, within the bounds of the laws of God, we will be held accountable."
(Principles of the Gospel, Pg. 136).

I believe the Lord has, thru scriptures, prophets and apostles, repeatedly given members of the Church more than adequate instruction on what we should have done to preserve the freedoms we were given in America in 1787.

Woulda coulda shoulda. What difference does it make what grandpa should or could have done to preserve constitutional protections? Combinations have officially taken control of govt. The enemy is combined. Only divine intervention after a cleansing process is completed can facilitate a restoration of what has been lost. Babylon will not magically be converted to Zion. It must reap what it has sown. The consequences of socialist policies will reap the whirlwind just as it has done so many times in the past and continues to do today in so many places. Once Babylonian corruption experiences its condemning consequences then Zions laws can shine forth and fulfill its destiny. In that order.

[Robert Sinclair]

The elders of Israel, are to set the example, for the rest of the world, how to prosper, and have good success, following the instructions, laid down by God.

Take of the storehouse, distribute to those who have qualified themselves, by their works, and godly walk and conversation, according to D&C 20:37 &68-69, that they have proven worthy, for inheritances in the lands of promise, where allowed by the laws of the land.

That by seeing they have covenants and deeds of title to their land and homes, that cannot be broken, they will go, and return year to year, to cast into the storehouse, that of their surplus, not needed for their support, or the support of their family.

The government of "We The People", has more than enough and to spare, to impart, through an updated "Homestead Act", figured out with the rich and the learned, the wise and noble of this nation, of "We The People", how to do this in a manner that pleases God.

Would be good, if leaders can be found, that through their own organization, such as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, how best this can be done.

It is the calling and election, and honor given to Ephraim, at this time, to get this accomplished, as a light unto the nations of this earth, how to prosper, keeping the commandments of God, to be equal in their temporal things, and this not grudgingly, of their own freewill, for homes and lands, food and raiment. (See Hosea 14:8)

When the House of Judah, sees this, they will ask, from whence cometh this righteousness, and goodness?

Then the records of the House of Joseph, of Manasseh (The Book of Mormon) and of Ephraim (The Doctrine and Covenants), can be shown unto the House of Judah, where Ezekiel 37:15-23 & 2 Nephi 3:12, can come to pass, where they both forsake their idols and transgressions, against the "Feast of Tabernacles" & the second & third witnesses given, of a "United Order" where the people of there own freewill, give of their surplus wealth, for the benefit of all, all things common among them, equal claims, to be as "one" happy family of God.

Yes as written in Ezekiel 37:23 ---

"Neither shall they defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so they shall be my people, and I will be their God."

And as it is written in 2 Nephi 3:12 ---

"Wherefore, the fruit of thy loins shall write; and the fruit of the loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of the loins of Judah, shall grow together, unto the confounding of false doctrines and laying down of contentions, and establishing peace among the fruit of thy loins, and bringing them to a knowledge of their fathers in the latter days, and also to the knowledge of my covenants, saith the LORD."

Yes, bring these things to light, and let this House of Ephraim, return to do that which is right, in the sight of God.

Learn the instructions given of the LORD, of living a united order, and impart as required, to become equal and as one, most precious unto the LORD.

Yes, step it up a notch or two, a good thing to do.

♡ ♡

[skmo]

Do you think it is too late to resurrect the US Constitution ?

Without Divine Intervention, yes.

and yet, God rarely if ever does for us what we are capable and even commanded to do ourselves.

We must at least do our part.

Which is why, after working with a Senator, I decided to go into education. A career of that has led me to the belief that very little was accomplished by my efforts because a large majority of people I taught (and more importantly their parents) didn't care one whit about learning more to make a better world, they just wanted 2 free meals a day, a place to play basketball, and free Internet.

Teaching in a small rural community has made me feel a little better, like some of the kids I'm teaching are trying to get ahead, but even here I'm seeing enabler attitudes among too many parents.

[Ezra]

The scriptures say that from Zion will the law go forth and from jeruselum the word.

I believe when we save the constitution the government of the USA will no longer be in place. Or in such shambles that it no longer functions. The law of the land will come from Jackson county not Washinton dc.

What will proceed that change of place of government should be in all of our minds as a way to prepare for what's to come.

[mes5464]

The scriptures say that from Zion will the law go forth and from jeruselum the word.

I believe when we save the constitution the government of the USA will no longer be in place. Or in such shambles that it no longer functions. The law of the land will come from Jackson county not Washinton dc.

What will proceed that change of place of government should be in all of our minds as a way to prepare for what's to come.

I can think of several talks that at the very least imply that that scripture is already fulfilled.

[Ezra]

The scriptures say that from Zion will the law go forth and from jeruselum the word.

I believe when we save the constitution the government of the USA will no longer be in place. Or in such shambles that it no longer functions. The law of the land will come from Jackson county not Washinton dc.

What will proceed that change of place of government should be in all of our minds as a way to prepare for what's to come.

I can think of several talks that at the very least imply that that scripture is already fulfilled.

How can it when Zion has not been established? We are not a Zion people either. but the coming trials and the cleansing of the church will shape us into a Zion people able to establish Zion. Where the law will go forth.

[mes5464]

I can think of several talks that at the very least imply that that scripture is already fulfilled.

How can it when Zion has not been established? We are not a Zion people either. but the coming trials and the cleansing of the church will shape us into a Zion people able to establish Zion. Where the law will go forth.

Because Zion is more than just a people, a church, a city, it is also a geographic location (the Americas or just North America or possible only the USA) and the US Constitution was the example for the constitution of most modern day republics. I am quite confident that we will learn for certain that this prophecy was fulfilled many decades ago.

[Ezra]

I can think of several talks that at the very least imply that that scripture is already fulfilled.

How can it when Zion has not been established? We are not a Zion people either. but the coming trials and the cleansing of the church will shape us into a Zion people able to establish Zion. Where the law will go forth.

Because Zion is more than just a people, a church, a city, it is also a geographic location (the Americas or just North America or possible only the USA) and the US Constitution was the example for the constitution of most modern day republics. I am quite confident that we will learn for certain that this prophecy was fulfilled many decades ago.

Then Christ is here walking the streets of Zion currently as prophesied he would prior to announcing himself to the world?

No I am very confident that your wrong.

Zion has been used to describe this land. Zion has been used to describe people. Same as other words have been used to describe more then one thing as well.

Much has been said about our time. Much has been prophesied.

It's a very scary picture that has been painted for our day. Scary to those who are not prepared. There will be war,Famine,destruction.

The lord has said that to begin that process the church will be cleansed. D&c112.

We are in a pretty comfortable place currently.

I was always taught that we would as saints rebuild Zion in Jackson co . That we would travel back there much like the way we came west. On foot or horses.
Many visions like John Taylor's also confirms this.

Helamen 12 says
And thus we can behold how false, and also the unsteadiness of the hearts of the children of men; yea, we can see that the Lord in his great infinite goodness doth bless and prosper those who put their trust in him.

2 Yea, and we may see at the very time when he doth prosper his people, yea, in the increase of their fields, their flocks and their herds, and in gold, and in silver, and in all manner of precious things of every kind and art; sparing their lives, and delivering them out of the hands of their enemies; softening the hearts of their enemies that they should not declare wars against them; yea, and in fine, doing all things for the welfare and happiness of his people; yea, then is the time that they do harden their hearts, and do forget the Lord their God, and do trample under their feet the Holy One—yea, and this because of their ease, and their exceedingly great prosperity.

3 And thus we see that except the Lord doth chasten his people with many afflictions, yea, except he doth visit them with death and with terror, and with famine and with all manner of pestilence, they will not remember him.

4 O how foolish, and how vain, and how evil, and devilish, and how quick to do iniquity, and how slow to do good, are the children of men; yea, how quick to hearken unto the words of the evil one, and to set their hearts upon the vain things of the world!

5 Yea, how quick to be lifted up in pride; yea, how quick to boast, and do all manner of that which is iniquity; and how slow are they to remember the Lord their God, and to give ear unto his counsels, yea, how slow to walk in wisdom’s paths!

We are very prosperous. Wickedness abounds. Pride is very rampant. A cleansing is coming. Zion will be established. Christ will return. And it will happen in my lifetime. And I will be in Zion while Christ walks the streets. This has been promised to me.

[mes5464]

The Divinely Inspired Constitution - Ensign Feb. 1992 - ensign

The United States Constitution was the first written constitution in the world. It has served Americans well, enhancing freedom and prosperity during the changed conditions of more than two hundred years. Frequently copied, it has become the United States’ most important export. After two centuries, every nation in the world except six have adopted written constitutions, 2  and the U.S. Constitution was a model for all of them. No wonder modern revelation says that God established the U.S. Constitution and that it “should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles.” (D&C 101:77.)

This just has some great quotes:
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[Ezra]

The Divinely Inspired Constitution - Ensign Feb. 1992 - ensign

The United States Constitution was the first written constitution in the world. It has served Americans well, enhancing freedom and prosperity during the changed conditions of more than two hundred years. Frequently copied, it has become the United States’ most important export. After two centuries, every nation in the world except six have adopted written constitutions, 2  and the U.S. Constitution was a model for all of them. No wonder modern revelation says that God established the U.S. Constitution and that it “should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles.” (D&C 101:77.)

This just has some great quotes:
https://www.lds.org/ensign/1987/09/a-st ... n?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

D&c 101 brings up some great point. Starting at vs 43.

I will condense it. The lord says he will school is on the redemption of Zion.

Gives us a parable. Where he liken the USA to a vineyard. Bids us to build a protective hedge and tower.

The hedge was completed. Hedge as I understand it is the constitution.
And then we never raised a tower as commanded. The tower meaning the Book of Mormon.

We would have seen the enemy (secret combinations) from far off. The days of nephites and Jarodites.

The enemy came in tore down part of the hedge and entered the vineyard. The lord then bids that we go and drive them out of his holy places.

He then tell us to buy up the land of Jackson co.


So I ask again. How is Zion already established and the law going forth from it when we have not bought up all the land in Jackson county. When we have not reclaimed the vineyard. When we have yet to drive out the enemy raise the tower. Mend the torn down hedge?

The constitution is hanging by a thread. The majority of lds don't know the scriptures well enough to know who the secret combinations are. Or even believe there are secret combinations. The tower has never been raised. The tares outnumber the wheat according to D&c 121 33-43. Within the church.

The church will be cleansed D&c 112 23-26

Things are about to get interesting.

[Sunain]

The constitution is hanging by a thread. The majority of lds don't know the scriptures well enough to know who the secret combinations are. Or even believe there are secret combinations. The tower has never been raised. The tares outnumber the wheat according to D&c 121 33-43. Within the church.

The church will be cleansed D&c 112 23-26

Things are about to get interesting.

Definitely. It is unfortunate that many members of the church believe that we will be spared the upcoming tribulations, that all is well in Zion and will continue to be well. That's not what the scriptures teach or what the previous prophets have taught or what is taught in the church's manuals. Members are being sifted even now whether they choose to believe it or not. The amount of unkind people in the world and those not following the commandments even in the church saddens me. It saddens all of us that are trying to follow Christ but we are met with so much opposition in all things we do. We all need to step up a notch in our dealings with our fellow men and to strengthen each other to the best of our abilities, be it via spiritual, physical or through intellectual methods.

D&C 112:24–26. “Upon My House Shall It Begin”
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https://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-and ... e?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In the same revelation in which Zion was defined, the Lord warned the Saints that only if Zion met the Lord’s qualifications would it escape the judgments that were to be poured out upon the world. If they did not qualify as a Zion people, they had no promise (see D&C 97:21–27). Severe judgments befell the Saints because they failed to build Zion and abide by its laws. This prophetic statement also had reference to future members of the Church.

President Brigham Young warned: “If the Latter-day Saints do not desist from running after the things of this world, and begin to reform and do the work the Father has given them to do, they will be found wanting, and they, too, will be swept away and counted as unprofitable servants” (in Journal of Discourses, 18:262).

President Joseph Fielding Smith pointed out: “All of these things will be withheld while the nations are being punished, if the members of the Church will keep faithfully their commandments. If they will not, then we have received the warning that we, like the rest of the world, shall suffer His wrath in justice.” (Progress of Man, p. 468.)

President Wilford Woodruff emphasized: “Zion is not going to be moved out of her place. The Lord will plead with her strong ones, and if she sins He will chastise her until she is purified before the Lord.

“I do not pretend to tell how much sorrow you or I are going to meet with before the coming of the Son of Man. That will depend upon our conduct.” (In Millennial Star, 2 Sept. 1889, p. 547.)

[friendsofthe]

Ezra Wrote:

The scriptures say that from Zion will the law go forth and from jeruselum the word.

I believe when we save the constitution the government of the USA will no longer be in place. Or in such shambles that it no longer functions. The law of the land will come from Jackson county not Washinton dc.

What will proceed that change of place of government should be in all of our minds as a way to prepare for what's to come.

Agree….

The cleansing of this nation must come before the Lord’s Second Coming but what does Daniel chapter 7 tells us must happen even before the cleansing? Says he:

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

So who is this who “think(s) to change times and laws” and how soon shall we be “given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time” or 42 months? I think he walks among us now! Daniel goes on to say…

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

At the end of the 42 months “the judgment shall sit” or Father Adam, with an innumerable host will appear to the saints and “the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High”.

At that time it will be even as Joseph said for “this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction."

[lundbaek]

"U.S. citizens should follow the First Presidency’s counsel to study the Constitution. They should be familiar with its great fundamentals: the separation of powers, the individual guarantees in the Bill of Rights, the structure of federalism, the sovereignty of the people, and the principles of the rule of the law. They should oppose any infringement of these inspired fundamentals."

I point to this part of that address because it contains instruction, action items, if you like.

[Ezra]

"U.S. citizens should follow the First Presidency’s counsel to study the Constitution. They should be familiar with its great fundamentals: the separation of powers, the individual guarantees in the Bill of Rights, the structure of federalism, the sovereignty of the people, and the principles of the rule of the law. They should oppose any infringement of these inspired fundamentals."

I point to this part of that address because it contains instruction, action items, if you like.

It changed my life to study the constitution and federalist papers.

I try to oppose unconstitutional laws in every way I can.