The Church was feeling the 'Bern' back in 1939

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The Church was feeling the 'Bern' back in 1939

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Why did this mindset change?

My theory is that this is just before the church change the way they did business and became financially successful. Up to that point the church was up to its eyeballs in debt and was not considered wealthy.
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Just a few questions... Where did you find this quote? Or where did you get this screenshot?

I can't seem to verify this quote.

Thanks

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Nevermind I found it, I was searching using a wrong word...
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Seems interesting, I ordered the book on ebay to see what they are saying in it.

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FearlessFixxer wrote:Why did this mindset change?

My theory is that this is just before the church change the way they did business and became financially successful. Up to that point the church was up to its eyeballs in debt and was not considered wealthy.

Makes sense.

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My understanding is that the church didn't start to change things until the early 1960's.
It was all down to Marion G. Romney apparently.

I'm not entirely sure it was change for the better.

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I don't know the entirety of that book, its context, or its level of use. I do know that prophets from before, during, and after that time have all opposed communism, and I know from my own study of gospel principles that socialism and Celestial law are incompatible.

https://www.latterdayconservative.com/f ... socialism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are all created equal, and immediately become unequal through our actions. If we, being all created equal, were to receive the same end result regardless of our effort, work, diligence, or obedience, then where is justice? Compounded with the fact that mortal life simply isn't fair, I reject the notion that "inequality of income" is innately undesirable. There are other things to worry about in life.

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I used to see the benefits and efficiencies of a socialist system and think it was great. Then I realized that the theory was great, but in practice that's not how the people who are in charge of it actually implement it. Perhaps it was similar for the church. Perhaps the people in those times really were implementing it with the best interests of America at heart and now they are not.

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I received the book today. I'm planning in reading it and will report back what the message of it is in a week or two.

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Just from reading so far, I haven't seen much different from standard church policy.

The book was written around the great depression. It says the first presidency did a survey to figure out the needs. A Welfare plan was made by first presidency for the "curtail of Federal aid".

Summary of the key portions of the welfare plan were:
1. Fast offerings to be paid by each head of household of at least $1 per year. Those who can please pay more.
2. Tithing should be paid in full, where possible in cash.
3. Ward authorities (bishopric), relief society, priesthood are to use greatest possible effort to ensure tithing and fast offering paid in full.
4. Ward teachers (home teachers) are to discover and appraise needs of the members.
5. Every Bishop should accumulate sufficient food and clothes for needy. Relief society should help preserve food, make clothes.
6. Every bishopric and stake president should accumulate goods, even if not all needed. Excess to be given to other stakes that need.
7. Relief given is not charity. Work should be provided for that given. Everyone should use cooperation...

So it doesn't seem like socialism to me so far. More to come later that seems interesting.

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this seems like a very misleading title to me. The church was NEVER in favor of socialism. You've got one quote, take out of context. For an example of how the church leaders felt back in 1939, read Connor Boyaks post about the election of FDR.

http://www.ldsliberty.org/a-letter-to-t ... y-in-1941/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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FearlessFixxer wrote:Why did this mindset change?

My theory is that this is just before the church change the way they did business and became financially successful. Up to that point the church was up to its eyeballs in debt and was not considered wealthy.
There is no such thing as free education free free library's free anything provided by the government.

It's not free when it comes through taxation.

Taxation is bondage. Bondage is the opposite of freedom.

Our government was started with the very very least amount of bondage possible to mainaint everyone's freedoms equally.

It has changed into the monster we have today. And I for one am sad. I for one feel the heavy burden, the yoke of chains and bondage that have been placed on everyone. And would absolutely love to go back to the freedoms we once had at the beginning of this country.

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Socialism is Satan's plan using force to make people take care of the poor. It just creates government dependency and destroys freedom.

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