Oregon Man Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail -- for Collecting Rainwater on His Property

[light-one]

Anybody doubt that Oregon has gone off the deep end for Satan?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/oregon- ... s-property

[Jason]

Anybody doubt that Oregon has gone off the deep end for Satan?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/oregon- ... s-property

aye that one's a bit ugly...particularly when they've been in place for 30 some odd years or more....

[Ezra]

Anybody doubt that Oregon has gone off the deep end for Satan?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/oregon- ... s-property

Oregon. You mean the USA. Which is supposed to be protecting us from such things.

The general population is choosing Satan.

[Sunain]

Wow. What a terrible state law and enforcement of it. Read through the article and the guy has 170 acres of land and only 3 reservoirs. He even went through the proper legal procedures to get a permit (which seems out of line to me). If I was a lawyer, I'd be taking up this case Pro bono because the government is overreaching its authority. I know lots of people here buy rain barrels to hook up to their eavestroughs. First the cake fiasco now this?!

[Robert Sinclair]

Water in these dry areas of Oregon, or even other dry states, are like oil, and value is placed upon it. You want to see alot of fights over rights to water and who owns it, from tributaries, and even tiny streams on your property that flow normally onto another's property, just check the records in these dry areas. I think Canada, has an abundant supply of water, brought to these dry desert areas, will eventually be profitable, to pipe in large quantities, to all these desert lands in the U.S.

Just a matter of time, as more and more people move to these areas, and need water. ♡

[light-one]

Water in these dry areas of Oregon, or even other dry states, are like oil, and value is placed upon it. You want to see alot of fights over rights to water and who owns it, from tributaries, and even tiny streams on your property that flow normally onto another's property, just check the records in these dry areas. I think Canada, has an abundant supply of water, brought to these dry desert areas, will eventually be profitable, to pipe in large quantities, to all these desert lands in the U.S.

Just a matter of time, as more and more people move to these areas, and need water. ♡

Private property ownership should include a depth to the center of the earth at which point it becomes owned by whoever owns the property on the other side of the earth. And ownership should include the air up to 500 feet where planes could travel without permission. It goes without saying that the water and mineral rights are included.

Or are you siding with the government?

[Robert Sinclair]

You must spend some time reading over title reports, on property, which cover all types of recorded claims, from easements, mineral rights, water, deed restrictions, placed upon property sold and passed on.

Many of these going back to the 1800s, even.

Lots to find out about real estate ownership, and what rights come with your property, for some people sell the surface rights to their property but retain the rights to any oil or valuable minerals found under the surface, or restrict the future use of said property even sometimes, like, during the age of prohibition, a deed restriction, was placed upon the property where we bought, that no production of any alcohol be allowed upon this property at anytime. You might be surprized all the easements, and restrictions, and other rights that come with different properties, as well as zoning and general plan overlays ect, and noise ordinances, or sidewalk snow removal, or weed removal you must do, or be fined.

Very interesting all these things, drawn up, since this country was founded.♡

[David13]

Robert is talking from his experience here. I believe he worked in the Hall of Records or some such place and thus knows about all those things.
There used to also be restrictive covenants that were recorded upon the title to the land, which was what you then bought. The courts did throw some of those out long ago, religious covenants, racial covenants, etc.
When you buy the land you do own to the center of the earth, in a sense, unless your seller previously sold water or mineral or other rights to the land you buy. Or granted easements either voluntarily or under force from the government. Then you are not buying those things. You can't buy what someone no longer owns.
Water wars are predicted to be the big wars of the future in places like the southwest USA and other arid place.
dc

[light-one]

You must spend some time reading over title reports, on property, which cover all types of recorded claims, from easements, mineral rights, water, deed restrictions, placed upon property sold and passed on.

Many of these going back to the 1800s, even.

Lots to find out about real estate ownership, and what rights come with your property, for some people sell the surface rights to their property but retain the rights to any oil or valuable minerals found under the surface, or restrict the future use of said property even sometimes, like, during the age of prohibition, a deed restriction, was placed upon the property where we bought, that no production of any alcohol be allowed upon this property at anytime. You might be surprized all the easements, and restrictions, and other rights that come with different properties, as well as zoning and general plan overlays ect, and noise ordinances, or sidewalk snow removal, or weed removal you must do, or be fined.

Very interesting all these things, drawn up, since this country was founded.♡

Well...
I'm not an immigrant. I was born here over 60 years ago and have owned land in various states, so I have a pretty good idea what is entailed in the American way, especially after several law classes in college.

As David13 mentioned, most land owners that do not own their mineral or water rights did not sell them as you suggest. They never had them in the first place because they were confiscated.

That is why I wondered if you were one of the evil devil worshipers that support the government's way of doing things illegally, or if you are not going to be one of the people burning in Hell.

Advocating for Agenda 21 or free housing does not excuse you from being part of the problem if you think laws that infringe on private property rights are okay.

[Robert Sinclair]

Private property rights, that cannot be broken is what is written to be set up, with the "Ordinances of Justice" for true liberty for all, to be able to live in "Peace and Goodwill", one towards another, as stewardships granted, in a nation under God.♡

Who like Enoch, and Melchizedek, and the Son of God, is able to lead us to do this? ♡

[Robin Hood]

This is crazy.
If my knowledge of US geography and meteorological conditions is somewhere near accurate, Oregon is quite wet. They get a lot of rain.
The stuff falls out of the sky for free!
How can water possibly be the property of the state, unless it falls on their land?
Like I said, crazy!

[Robert Sinclair]

The Coastal Mountain range and Cascade Mountain ranges, squeeze out most of the lower hanging moisture traveling across Oregon and Washington, same in California the coastal and Sierra Ranges leave the easten side of these states, desert like and dry compared to the west side of the states. ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

Water right fights have been going on for a long time, when suddenly a downstream property owner suddenly has no water which they were used to having out of the stream crossing over their property, because an owner upstream uses a dam and ponds to keep more water for themselves.

The property we are purchasing used to have water rights, from a water canal nearby our property to get water from, certain months out of the year to irrigate our land, but they were sold off by the previous owner, and would have to be bought back at a steep price, to use again the months of the year, that water is availible.

We are fortunate to have a well we deepened to 430' where so far we have had year round water, but even wells around here have gone dry, and some you can run deeper and run into water again as we did, and some not so fortunate, find none and must import water, and hold in a cistern, or run a line from the city water company if you are close enough to afford it.

But I have been told, if we started using alot of water to irrigate and such out of our well, and neighbors saw it, and suddenly their wells went dry, they might be able to get a legal judgement against us, to stop using our well water to irrigate our land, which before was watered from the canal which you must pay for.

All these rights of everyone, need to be protected somehow, to live in peace and goodwill. ♡

[Serragon]

Wow. What a terrible state law and enforcement of it. Read through the article and the guy has 170 acres of land and only 3 reservoirs. He even went through the proper legal procedures to get a permit (which seems out of line to me). If I was a lawyer, I'd be taking up this case Pro bono because the government is overreaching its authority. I know lots of people here buy rain barrels to hook up to their eavestroughs. First the cake fiasco now this?!

I live in Oregon. Catching rainwater from your roof into barrels is not legal. They will force you to remove them if they see them. Technically, it is also not legal to capture water into bottles for storage from a spring on your own property. The only legal storage is bottling from the tap, buying in containers from legal sources, or getting a permit to capture water already on your own property.


BTW -- this article is almost 4 years old. I wonder what happened to the guy?

[Jason]

Wow. What a terrible state law and enforcement of it. Read through the article and the guy has 170 acres of land and only 3 reservoirs. He even went through the proper legal procedures to get a permit (which seems out of line to me). If I was a lawyer, I'd be taking up this case Pro bono because the government is overreaching its authority. I know lots of people here buy rain barrels to hook up to their eavestroughs. First the cake fiasco now this?!

I live in Oregon. Catching rainwater from your roof into barrels is not legal. They will force you to remove them if they see them. Technically, it is also not legal to capture water into bottles for storage from a spring on your own property. The only legal storage is bottling from the tap, buying in containers from legal sources, or getting a permit to capture water already on your own property.


BTW -- this article is almost 4 years old. I wonder what happened to the guy?

one of the original articles
http://ridenbaugh.com/waterrights/?p=2818" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

snopes version
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/rainwater.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...more recent
http://anonhq.com/oregon-rain-man-fined ... rainwater/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On June 17, 2014 three reservoirs were destroyed by the Oregon Water Resources Department on Gary Harrington's property.
http://www.examiner.com/article/oregon- ... reservoirs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

State water resources officials armed with a court order Tuesday destroyed the infrastructure to three illegal reservoirs on private land in the Butte Falls area, hoping it ends the legal clash with the dams' former owner who twice has gone to jail as a convicted water thief. Crews with an Oregon State Police escort entered the Crowfoot Road property of Gary Harrington before dawn and over the course of the day destroyed the head gates and outlets that state court cases have ruled were part of illegal dams impounding stolen water. An Oregon Department of Transportation crew that included two excavators and a bulldozer completed the demolition in about nine hours, Rancier said. Harrington and his wife were present, were cooperative and were free to come and go from their property, but they were banned from interfering with the work, she said.
http://www.mailtribune.com/article/2014 ... /406180313" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Sunain]

I live in Oregon. Catching rainwater from your roof into barrels is not legal. They will force you to remove them if they see them.

I don't know what you think about that but to me that seems like a violation of personal rights. Here it's actually encouraged. The city sells rain barrels at a reasonable price along with composters. Can pick them up with green waste recycling bins, gray recycling bins for strictly paper and blue boxes for other recycled goods.

Now the city here doesn't encourage drinking the collected water but they do say its a great way to save money watering gardens, plants and the lawn. But in an emergency, would be a good source for drinking water. Could just boil it or treat it.

[Serragon]

I live in Oregon. Catching rainwater from your roof into barrels is not legal. They will force you to remove them if they see them.

I don't know what you think about that but to me that seems like a violation of personal rights. Here it's actually encouraged. The city sells rain barrels at a reasonable price along with composters. Can pick them up with green waste recycling bins, gray recycling bins for strictly paper and blue boxes for other recycled goods.

Now the city here doesn't encourage drinking the collected water but they do say its a great way to save money watering gardens, plants and the lawn. But in an emergency, would be a good source for drinking water. Could just boil it or treat it.

Doing a little more research, I can't find any specific law in Oregon that makes collecting from your roof illegal. Collecting from any source other than your roof is illegal (including a spring) without a permit.

I have had 2 friends who were required to remove their rain barrels that were collecting water from their roof, so I suspect this is more of a "law by regulation" instead of an actual law.

I believe it to be a violation of your property rights. I reject that the notion that the government owns everything by default, and you only get to use what they deem appropriate.

[Jason]

I live in Oregon. Catching rainwater from your roof into barrels is not legal. They will force you to remove them if they see them.

I don't know what you think about that but to me that seems like a violation of personal rights. Here it's actually encouraged. The city sells rain barrels at a reasonable price along with composters. Can pick them up with green waste recycling bins, gray recycling bins for strictly paper and blue boxes for other recycled goods.

Now the city here doesn't encourage drinking the collected water but they do say its a great way to save money watering gardens, plants and the lawn. But in an emergency, would be a good source for drinking water. Could just boil it or treat it.

Doing a little more research, I can't find any specific law in Oregon that makes collecting from your roof illegal. Collecting from any source other than your roof is illegal (including a spring) without a permit.

I have had 2 friends who were required to remove their rain barrels that were collecting water from their roof, so I suspect this is more of a "law by regulation" instead of an actual law.

I believe it to be a violation of your property rights. I reject that the notion that the government owns everything by default, and you only get to use what they deem appropriate.

of course its easy to focus the anger on a term - i.e. "government" when the reality is...its the friends and neighbors (whether next door or distant) who with superior numbers via their elected representatives...voted in the laws...that now some poor schmuck trying to do his/her job...gets stuck with enforcing.

[Desert Roses]

It was illegal to collect rainwater in Utah until just about 2 years ago. It is still limited to 200 gallons. However, since my husband has several barrels and collects several hundred gallons every time it rains, which then go into the garden, and we've never been bothered about it, I am assuming that it is quite rare to have this enforced, unless there is some exceptional reason.

[freedomforall]

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