Socialism - what is it?

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Robin Hood wrote:
Dave62 wrote:Capitalism is cancer; Socialism is chemotherapy.
Best summary I've come across.
Says it all.
Meaningless without definitions.

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Socialism is missing Jesus, replaced by smartypants.

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Dave62 wrote:Capitalism is cancer; Socialism is chemotherapy. Both are poison. I'm looking for ZION and I wont stop until I find it; either in this life of the next.
True capitalism is not cancer. What is called capitalism today deffently is.

Which is part of the problem we are facing the changing of the deffenition by our secret combination controled media.

Conservative being branded as racists. Our government branded as democratic. Liberals some how being derived by the word Liberty.

Confusing the deffenition to make confused population.

Libertarian by definition should be considered conservative. Both fighting for a constitutional republic government that has capitalism.

But the definitions have changed.

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What actually runs the world today, the principle that holds the economy together, is a continuation of the Culture of the Hanseatic League. It is the principle and Culture of Trust. The reason we have a Bond Market.

That system of the Hanseatic League that came from the commitments entered into by the Men at FornSigtuna in 43 A.D. before the table of their Lord and God, is called THE FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM, and has nothing to do with either Capitalism or Socialism.

It was Georg Hegel that tried to get the Germanic people to revive that Free Enterprise System, of the communes of Northern Europe, as he tried to get Karl Marx to see his vision of that. But all that Karl Marx could come up with is a Greco/Roman inspired Communism. And it is from that stupidity that we get Socialism. The United Order of our lost tribes of Israel ancestors had no BANK and not the Babylonian conspiracy of MONEY and University Smarty Pants to pull the Culture into their materially minded scheming.

There is only one True System, and that is THE FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM set up in Sweden when Jesus Christ visited those tribes of Israel.

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Dave62 wrote:Capitalism is cancer; Socialism is chemotherapy. Both are poison. I'm looking for ZION and I wont stop until I find it; either in this life of the next.
Zion is the pure in heart. If you fall into this category...you don't have to go far to find it.

Doctrine and Covenants 97:21
21 Therefore, verily, thus saith the Lord, let Zion rejoice, for this is Zion—THE PURE IN HEART; therefore, let Zion rejoice, while all the wicked shall mourn.

Moses 7:18 (18–19)
18 And the Lord called his people Zion, because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them.
19 And Enoch continued his preaching in righteousness unto the people of God. And it came to pass in his days, that he built a city that was called the City of Holiness, even Zion.

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Socialism defined
"A political and economic theory of social organization based on collective or governmental ownership and democratic management of the essential means for the production and distribution of goods; also, a policy or practice based on this theory." (Webster's New International Dictionary, 2nd ed. unabridged, 1951.)
George Bernard Shaw, the noted Fabian Socialist, said that:
"Socialism, reduced to its simplest legal and practical expression, means the complete discarding of the institution of private property by transforming it into public property and the division of the resultant income equally and indiscriminately among the entire population." (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1946 ed., Vol. 20, p. 895.)
George Douglas Howard Cole, M.A., noted author and university reader in economics at Oxford, who treats socialism for the Encyclopedia Britannica, says that because of the shifting sense in which the word has been used, "a short and comprehensive definition is impossible. We can only say," he concludes, "that Socialism is essentially a doctrine and a movement aiming at the collective organization of the community in the interest of the mass of the people by means of the common ownership and collective control of the means of production and exchange." (Ibid., [1946 ed., Vol. 20,] p. 888.)
Socialism arose "out of the economic division in society." During the nineteenth century its growth was accelerated as a protest against "the appalling conditions prevailing in the workshops and factories and the unchristian spirit of the spreading industrial system."
Communism, starting point

The "Communist Manifesto" drafted by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels for the Communist League in 1848 is generally regarded as the starting point of modern socialism. (Ibid., [Encyclopedia Britannica, 1946 ed., Vol. 20,] p. 890.)
The distinction between socialism, as represented by the various Socialist and Labour parties of Europe and the New World, and Communism, as represented by the Russians, is one of tactics and strategy rather than of objective. Communism is indeed only socialism pursued by revolutionary means and making its revolutionary method a canon of faith. Communists, like other socialists, (1) believe in the collective control and ownership of the vital means of production and (2) seek to achieve through state action the coordinated control of the economic forces of society. They (the Communists) differ from other socialists in believing that this control can be secured, and its use in the interests of the workers ensured, only by revolutionary action leading to the dictatorship of the proletariat and the creation of a new proletarian state as the instrument of change. (Ibid.[Encyclopedia Britannica, 1946 ed., Vol. 20, p. 890])
German SocialismA major rift between so-called orthodox socialism and communist socialism occurred in 1875 when the German Social Democratic party set forth its objective of winning power by taking over control of the bourgeois state, rather than by overthrowing it. In effect, the German Social Democratic party became a parliamentary party, aiming at the assumption of political power by constitutional means.
Fabian Society

In the 1880's a small group of intellectuals set up in England the Fabian Society, which has had a major influence on the development of modern orthodox socialism. Fabianism stands "for the evolutionary conception of socialism . . . endeavoring by progressive reforms and the nationalization of industries, to turn the existing state into a 'welfare state.' " Somewhat on the order of the German Social Democrats, Fabians aim "at permeating the existing parties with socialistic ideas [rather] than at creating a definitely socialistic party." They appeal "to the electorate not as revolutionaries but as constitutional reformers seeking a peaceful transformation of the system." (Ibid.[Encyclopedia Britannica, 1946 ed., Vol. 20, p. 890])
Forms and policies of socialism

The differences in forms and policies of socialism occur principally in the manner in which they seek to implement their theories.
They all advocate:
(1) That private ownership of the vital means of production be abolished and that all such property "pass under some form of co-ordinated public control."
(2) That the power of the state be used to achieve their aims.
(3) "That with a change in the control of industry will go a change in the motives which operate in the industrial system. . . ." (Ibid.[Encyclopedia Britannica, 1946 ed., Vol. 20, p. 890])
So much now for the definition of socialism. I have given you these statements in the words of socialists and scholars, not my words, so they have had their hearing.

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I am yet to see a socialist society that divides "income equally and indiscriminately among the entire population." The powers of the governing body seem to always be way ahead of the population in their distributions and have absolute CONTROL over the rest of the population! It is a stealthful trap to lure you in with the promise of equality only to take all that you have and control you for the rest of your life.

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onefour1 wrote:I am yet to see a socialist society that divides "income equally and indiscriminately among the entire population." The powers of the governing body seem to always be way ahead of the population in their distributions and have absolute CONTROL over the rest of the population! It is a stealthful trap to lure you in with the promise of equality only to take all that you have and control you for the rest of your life.
That's easy 141.
Some are more equal than others. But it's still equality.
dc

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Oh, I see. if you are a member of society then since there is no ownership, you simply benefit from the whole no matter how little food the ruling elite allows you to have. The elite can't be more equal because they don't really own anything either. They just control it. There is no inequality since nobody owns anything. Very clever those socialists. Somehow it all seems fair now :( NOT

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Ezra Taft benson oct 61 conference

When socialism is understood, we will realize that many of the programs advocated, and some of those already adopted in the United States, fall clearly within the category of socialism. What is socialism? It is simply governmental ownership and management of the essential means for the production and distribution of goods.

Ownership control and means for producing and distributing of goods and I would clarify by saying and services.

Like public school.



Another part of the talk.


We must ever keep in mind that collectivized socialism is part of the communist strategy. Communism is fundamentally socialism. We will never win our fight against communism by making concessions to socialism. Communism and socialism, closely related, must be defeated on principle. The close relationship between socialism and communism is clearly pointed out by Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina in a letter to the editor of the Washington Post, of August 6, 1961, in these words:

". . . Both socialism and communism derive from the teachings of Marx and Engels. In fact, the movements were one until the split over methods of approach, which resulted after the Russian revolution in 1905 . . . The aim and purpose of both was then and is now world socialism, which communism seeks to achieve through revolution and which socialists seek to achieve through evolution.

"The industrial achievements of the U. S. are the result of an economic system which is the antithesis of socialism. Our economic system is called 'capitalism' or 'private enterprise' and is based on private property rights, the profit motive and competition.

"Both communism and socialism seek to destroy our economic system and replace it with socialism; and their success, whether through evolution by socialism or through revolution by communism or a combination, will destroy not only our economic system, but our liberty, including the 'civil' aspects as well . . .

". . . The 'common ground' of socialism and communism is a factor to which the American people should be alerted. Without a clear understanding that communism is socialism.

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A book called, Naked Communist, by W. Cleon Skousen helps us to understand communism and socialism.
Here is summary: THE NAKED COMMUNIST: 45 COMMUNIST GOALS

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