Who Can Stop the Drive to War?

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Who Can Stop the Drive to War?

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The troops:
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“The politicians are the ones you should be opposing, not the soldiers. The soldiers are there to do what they are told. They perform terrible acts because they are told to do so.” ~ A Critic in 2008

“I think you are picking on the wrong bunch. All the things you list in your article are to be laid at the feet of the politicians. Our system requires the military to follow orders. If the people giving the orders are immoral etc. then you have the problems you allude to.” ~ A Critic in 2015

Some things never change—like excuses for the actions of the military. The song is a little different each time, but the chorus is the same: Just criticize the politicians; the troops are just following orders.

During this time when there is such a tremendous drive to war that “for the first time in CNN/ORC polling, a majority of Americans (53%) say the U.S. should send ground troops to Iraq or Syria to fight ISIS,” there is only one group of people who can stop the drive to war. It is not the politicians in Congress. Many of them think that President Obama is not enough of a warmonger. It is not the Republican presidential candidates. Most of them can’t wait to become the commander in chief so they can get the United States involved in more wars.

It is the troops who do the actual fighting, killing, bleeding, and dying that can stop dead in its tracks the drive to war.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who fight the foreign wars.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who bomb, maim, and kill for the state.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who occupy foreign countries.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who obey immoral orders.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who fight the unjust wars.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who kill civilians for sport.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who act as the world’s policemen, firemen, and security guards.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who make widows and orphans.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who make war without a constitutional declaration of war.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who invade foreign countries.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who create more terrorists than they kill.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who undertake “nation building.”

It is the troops, not the politicians, who practice gunboat diplomacy.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who unleash sectarian violence.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who cause collateral damage.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who take their victims’ body parts as trophies.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who commit atrocities.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who mete out death and destruction overseas.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who go to countries where they have no business going.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who urinate on the dead bodies of their victims.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who keep overseas brothels in operation.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who do the government’s dirty work.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who murder foreigners.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who destroy property and infrastructure.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who are a global force for evil.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who rape foreign women.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who serve as the president’s personal attack force.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who fight immoral wars.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who avenge 9/11 by killing people who had nothing to do with it.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who commit torture.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who “accidentally” kill civilians.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who recite vile cadences.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who fight senseless wars.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who kill remotely via drone.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who bomb wedding parties.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who lie to impressionable young men to convince them to join their ranks.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who conduct “regime change.”

It is the troops, not the politicians, who try to establish democracy at the point of a gun.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who fight unnecessary wars.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who regularly miss their drone strike targets and kill civilians.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who enforce UN resolutions.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who fight offensive wars.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who carry out an aggressive, reckless, and belligerent U.S. foreign policy.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who garrison the planet with hundreds of military bases.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who are stationed in 150 different regions of the world.

It is the troops, not the politicians, who join the Army, travel the world, meet interesting people, and kill them.

The politicians care more about contributions from defense contractors than they care about the troops. We can’t look to them to stop the drive to war.

Who can stop the drive to war? We must look to the ones who are ultimately responsible for waging war. It is the troops, the whole troops, and nothing but the troops who can stop the drive to war.

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Sometimes I wonder why we didn't stop Hitler before he killed 6,000,000 people exactly the way he said he was going to.

Then I realize we didn't because of the same reason we won't stop isis before they kill loads more people exactly like they said they will.

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The soldiers? Should we do away with our military?

The fact that America's armed forces are powerful and feared, makes peace possible in many ways, more so than when she is weak. History and common sense show that. A militarily strong America is necessary for many reasons, why would we want to be weak and un-prepared?

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If the people had a little less faith, hope, love and devotion for the enemy, the people could take back their education from government and controlled media...

then the people could take congress back from the bank (our common enemy thrives on financing all sides of war and rebuilding after wars)

and if the people's congress would take back it's sacred powers to create money from our common enemy, the bank, (the 100 year old Federal Reserve Charter expired in 2013) the armies and the navies would cease to be funded and the troops could all go home.

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kennyhs wrote:The soldiers? Should we do away with our military?

The fact that America's armed forces are powerful and feared, makes peace possible in many ways, more so than when she is weak. History and common sense show that. A militarily strong America is necessary for many reasons, why would we want to be weak and un-prepared?

How many terrorist attacks has Iceland had on it's soil? None because they do not have a standing army and they do not participate in pre-emptive war in other lands. The list of countries that have had no terrorist attacks because they are peaceful is quite long.

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I think the point that is being lost here is that when, for example, Hitler instructed the German armed forces to invade Poland, if the soldiers had said "Nah, we're off home Herr Fuhrer" there would have been nothing Hitler or anyone else could have done about it.
They would have been powerless in the face of soldiers just turning around and going home to their families.

While soldiers obey orders, they are not to suspend their own judgment in favour of another's. The Nuremburg trials clearly established that "I was just obeying orders" was no excuse.

I think this is the point being made.

And there is scriptural precedent. The Anti-Nephi-Lehi's refused to fight and buried their weapons. The Lamanites still came upon them and started the slaughter, but very soon lost the stomach for it.
They stopped the killing and went home.

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Robin Hood wrote:I think the point that is being lost here is that when, for example, Hitler instructed the German armed forces to invade Poland, if the soldiers had said "Nah, we're off home Herr Fuhrer" there would have been nothing Hitler or anyone else could have done about it.
They would have been powerless in the face of soldiers just turning around and going home to their families.

While soldiers obey orders, they are not to suspend their own judgment in favour of another's. The Nuremburg trials clearly established that "I was just obeying orders" was no excuse.

I think this is the point being made.

And there is scriptural precedent. The Anti-Nephi-Lehi's refused to fight and buried their weapons. The Lamanites still came upon them and started the slaughter, but very soon lost the stomach for it.
They stopped the killing and went home.

23 And behold, we will set our armies between the land Jershon and the land Nephi, that we may protect our brethren in the land Jershon; and this we do for our brethren, on account of their fear to take up arms against their brethren lest they should commit sin; and this their great fear came because of their sore repentance which they had, on account of their many murders and their awful wickedness.

24 And now behold, this will we do unto our brethren, that they may inherit the land Jershon; and we will guard them from their enemies with our armies, on condition that they will give us a portion of their substance to assist us that we may maintain our armies.

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kennyhs wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:I think the point that is being lost here is that when, for example, Hitler instructed the German armed forces to invade Poland, if the soldiers had said "Nah, we're off home Herr Fuhrer" there would have been nothing Hitler or anyone else could have done about it.
They would have been powerless in the face of soldiers just turning around and going home to their families.

While soldiers obey orders, they are not to suspend their own judgment in favour of another's. The Nuremburg trials clearly established that "I was just obeying orders" was no excuse.

I think this is the point being made.

And there is scriptural precedent. The Anti-Nephi-Lehi's refused to fight and buried their weapons. The Lamanites still came upon them and started the slaughter, but very soon lost the stomach for it.
They stopped the killing and went home.

23 And behold, we will set our armies between the land Jershon and the land Nephi, that we may protect our brethren in the land Jershon; and this we do for our brethren, on account of their fear to take up arms against their brethren lest they should commit sin; and this their great fear came because of their sore repentance which they had, on account of their many murders and their awful wickedness.

24 And now behold, this will we do unto our brethren, that they may inherit the land Jershon; and we will guard them from their enemies with our armies, on condition that they will give us a portion of their substance to assist us that we may maintain our armies.

This didn't stop the Lamanites coming upon them.
The Anti-Nephi-Lehi's refused to put their trust in the arm of flesh.
It was the Nephites who felt they should defend these people. The people themselves were fine with putting their trust in God.

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Robin Hood wrote:
kennyhs wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:I think the point that is being lost here is that when, for example, Hitler instructed the German armed forces to invade Poland, if the soldiers had said "Nah, we're off home Herr Fuhrer" there would have been nothing Hitler or anyone else could have done about it.
They would have been powerless in the face of soldiers just turning around and going home to their families.

While soldiers obey orders, they are not to suspend their own judgment in favour of another's. The Nuremburg trials clearly established that "I was just obeying orders" was no excuse.

I think this is the point being made.

And there is scriptural precedent. The Anti-Nephi-Lehi's refused to fight and buried their weapons. The Lamanites still came upon them and started the slaughter, but very soon lost the stomach for it.
They stopped the killing and went home.

23 And behold, we will set our armies between the land Jershon and the land Nephi, that we may protect our brethren in the land Jershon; and this we do for our brethren, on account of their fear to take up arms against their brethren lest they should commit sin; and this their great fear came because of their sore repentance which they had, on account of their many murders and their awful wickedness.

24 And now behold, this will we do unto our brethren, that they may inherit the land Jershon; and we will guard them from their enemies with our armies, on condition that they will give us a portion of their substance to assist us that we may maintain our armies.

This didn't stop the Lamanites coming upon them.
The Anti-Nephi-Lehi's refused to put their trust in the arm of flesh.
It was the Nephites who felt they should defend these people. The people themselves were fine with putting their trust in God.
Alma 28
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“‘Now when the Lamanites saw this they did forbear from slaying them; and there were many whose hearts had swollen … , for they repented of the things which they had done. …

“‘… The people of God were joined that day by more than the number who had been slain; and those who had been slain were righteous people, therefore we have no reason to doubt but what they were saved.’ (Alma 24:24–26) …

“While the message of the story is not to insist on universal pacifism, we do learn that by not returning aggressions from others we can have a profound effect on them. Literally, we can change their hearts when we follow Christ’s example and turn the other cheek. Our examples as peaceable followers of Christ inspire others to follow him” (Living with Enthusiasm [1996], 127–28).

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And there is scriptural precedent. The Anti-Nephi-Lehi's refused to fight and buried their weapons. The Lamanites still came upon them and started the slaughter, but very soon lost the stomach for it.
The Lamanites were stirred up by the Orders of Amulon and Nehor in the above instance.

The two public teaching unions of the day.

The Anti-Nephi-Lehi's had just pulled their children out of the government union schools and their mothers started teaching them.

Control of a population is dependent on controlled ignorance.

An ignorant, publicly educated population is easily led into war.

The controlled media and the schools are very successful, as we terrorize the planet.

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