Is Capitalism Moral?

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Current usages of words get in the way of learning correct principles.

The Germanic word "Free" comes from the name of the Mother and/or Wife of Odin (in the Bible we have the two Marys), her name is Frigg, which is pronounced Free with a kind of guttural throat trill. The Free Enterprise System literally means that you have taken your oath with Odin and have become a joint heir in the business of Frigg's family. The concept of a Bishop's Storehouse is a United Order way of working together, being ancient Germanic/lost tribes of Israel in origin.

The key to the Free Enterprise System is working together by the Trust that stems from taking oaths to follow after Virtue, that is represented by looking to Free's Son.

Capitalism is a Socratic/Tower of Babel principle, that whosoever establishes the Capitol controls the Capital.

We need to get back to the real basics.

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Capitalism as it began was crude next to its operation today. It started around the year 1500 A.D., under the last emperor of the Germans’ “Roman Empire” who tried to make the idea of a Germans’ “Roman Empire” work. After him that idea was only “on the back burner” of confused German mentality relative to that idea. Some things were always on the “front burner” in German mentality, though. Everyone knows that Germans needed to call their leader their, “Kaiser,” right down into the Twentieth Century. This needs explanation.

In Old Italian Julius Caesar pronounced his name “Yooleeoos Kaiser.” The Germans always felt that they had to call their leader “(Julius) Caesar.” Their confused reasoning for this was the misguided belief that “Caesars have the right to rule people who believe in Christ,” citing Christ’s statement, “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.” Of course Christ meant, “Render nothing unto Caesar; nothing is Caesar’s; all is God’s”; but public reasoning hasn’t been able to go that far.

So this German Kaiser who ruled a little after the year 1500 AD. gave one last lunge at trying to make a reality out of Germany really being the old “Roman Empire.” And, the way that he tried really does sound like something out of Ancient History. His name was Kaiser Karl V of the Holy Roman Empire. He, at the same time, was also King Carlos I of Spain.

As the King of Spain and Portugal he controlled most of the New World. He expressed little interest in it, though, other than to press for the theft of every scrap of gold and silver, to be found there, away from its Native American owners, to be coined into coins with his portrait or personal symbol on it.

If this could become, in turn, the coinage of all European business, he would be in an optimum position, with the Pope, to recapture their theoretic early medieval joint control over the mentality of Europe. They urgently felt that this was needed. It is said that all of the gold and silver that Spain took from America only amounted to one third of the money that that Kaiser received in taxes from his dependencies in the Netherlands. North Europe’s trade had indeed become the controlling factor in European life and this Kaiser and the Pope were planning to “scavenge” it. It was the desire of these two men at that time to assert their control over the trade of North Europe that was the birth of “Capitalism.”

An important side issue was the fact that the Hansa’s navy was far larger than any other in Europe. Should they have been able to unite for such a thing they could have easily taken control of all of the Americas and all of the rest of the newly-discovered world as well.

That Kaiser and Pope inaugurated Capitalism at the prompting of the linkage that they had formed with the institution in Europe that represented the Mongols’ China Booty taken to Turkestan. Their specific goal was to shove the medieval coinage (with that Kaiser’s portrait or personal symbol — which was sanctioned by the Pope — on it) down the throats of the people who at that time controlled Europe’s trade. That meant, principally, the city of Antwerp in Belgium, which was at once the main center of business and trade of the Hansa (it had recently replaced the former center at Bruges, Belgium, which soon made it the largest city in Europe), the principal business center of Western Europe, AND a personal dependency of that Kaiser who ruled there in another of his positions, that of the Duke of Burgundy. This grasping at power over Antwerp forced a migration of business activity from Antwerp to Amsterdam. There the Dutch were able to stop the grasping. But, that Kaiser and the Pope that worked with him began Capitalism by getting the Bank-gilds to raise enormous LOANS, USING THE BILLS AND NOTES OF THE GILD SYSTEM, for either the Kaiser, the Pope or the Spanish crown to try to force the theory of their authority, as set forth on coins, upon either the Netherlands, or upon Germany as a whole, or upon England.

These Bank-gilds (including the activities of the Fuggers, then the Welsers etc.) characteristically rose very high and then fell when the grandiose plans of either the Kaiser or the King of Spain (such as the Spanish Armada) went down in flames.

However, just as one of the most grandiose of these plans, the Armada, collapsed, the tiny state of Venice took the cross-over step that made history. The Coinage was the product of the State, the South Europe Civilization. The Gild System was the remnant of the North Europe Civilization. This cross-over by the STATE of Venice to begin operating as a GILD, in 1587, is the cross-over that has been, eventually, taken by every country in the world, after France took that step at the height of the French Revolution. The History of Money (Part 2), p.35-36
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Free Market is moral. Capitalism is not free market, nor is it moral.

Capitalism gives unelected power to the capitalist (No, we didn't vote with our dollars)

Capitalists are individuals that get the big loans from the banks = the consolidation of power = corruption

We need banking reform to level the playing field and create equal access to credit.

Larger loans would be qualified for based on the credit worthiness of many people like a community, company, or a guild.

Company employees would have ownership in the company and share in the profits.

Employees would not be surfs to the investors or stock holders.

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The question should be: Does the Capitalist system ( or any other system) force those who are in it to be moral or immoral? To me free will of exchange is good if man does not use it in an immoral fashion. Is it not the capitalist system that is moral or immoral but the people who are in it.

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The Free Enterprise System works because the adherents inside that system force themselves to seek virtue, as part of the oath. All other systems, including capitalism are about one man forcing another.
When Noah and his family got off of the boat, and his posterity began to spread out, the true Church had to move to a place called Salem because the false Church began to dominate trade and commercial life from the place called Babel.

Two Churches were set up in the Mesopotamian Valley, one Church was moved to the edge of that valley where Noah and Shem had to flee from their apostate posterity, a defensible outcropping of land with a natural spring, that was named Salem, and would later be named the Salem of the Jews or Jerusalem. The other Church that has continued until today was founded at the University of Babel, at the place of the Tower of Babel, wherein everything arbitrary that could be thought about was said to be controlled from that crossroads of commerce that the Greeks would later name with their -on ending, Babylon.

The Great and Abominable Church is Babylon, and is the Culture and System of Babylon.

Suffice it to say that the Greeks did what they did to rule the world with the top-down culture of Babel, having for themselves their Head installed by their group called the Synedrion (the sit down group). The Pharisees of the Jews did what they did to perfect the top-down culture of Babel, passed down to them from the Greeks and called their group the Sanhedrin and their Head they installed was called their Exilarch.

The false culture is called Orthodoxy, the Apostate's religion and culture, as the Prophet Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar would continue from Babel, the Persians, the Greeks and Romans, overseen today and perpetuated by the same Sanhedrin of the Pharisees.

Satan's management of his affairs on this world is through the "Synhedrion of Babylon" as it continues through to today, and the Rothschilds are part of that. The control of the Synhedrion is to play off the world's wannabee dictators, to see who will become the next King of the World, by delivering "blood and horror upon the earth."
When Noah got off of the boat, two cultures were set up among those fanning out generations of mankind.

The Apostate set up the crossroads city of trade, the "Tower of God" ("Bab-El" - the Greeks added the on ending, Babylon) as his system and culture's headquarters, and at the base of the tower he built a precursor to the modern university, a place for his managers to come up with the arbitrary standards and definitions that their control group agreed upon for all the physical and metaphysical elements as understood by mankind.

Noah and Shem moved to the rim of the same valley, in a defensible place, protected from their apostate posterity, at a place called Salem, the place of the Sale. And what do you buy at "the place of the Sale?" Well, they had this sacred bargaining table called an altar wherein you offered up your eternal element, your will or intelligence, and in exchange you were given eternal life.

The Germanic lost tribes of Israel built their society upon the true culture of mankind. Doing it as also did their ancestor they called Homedale, or the leader of the "Home Valley," Noah. They also had the, "bargaining table" that we call the Altar, wherein a person sells their Eternal Intelligence in exchange for Eternal Life. To commit by oath, their purpose, to the intelligence of God.

Just as Noah and Shem continued in the ways of the Lord, so did the decedents of the lost tribes of Israel, the Saxons. In England is the place where two temples once stood, one is where today is Lincoln's and Grey's Inn and the other is the Temple where is the Inn of Middle Temple and the Inn of Inner Temple.

Eternal life means to be part of what always works, what always goes right and that comes from having a God with you always, as is the job of the Holy Ghost. The Culture and Society of the lost tribes of Israel was this culture that operated by the commitment to be part of what always goes right, and by so living they as a society not only had hope for Eternal Life in the life to come but lived and worked together by the culture and society that had the happiness of eternal life in this life.
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Capitalism vs. The Free Enterprise System in Architecture

The Dome is a central symbol of Capitalism. This is an Architectural Symbol of Orthodoxy.
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United States Capitol Building

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St. Peter's Basilica

When the Pope sits above the well where it is believed that St. Peter lies dead at the bottom, sitting on the Chair that is above that well, the Pope becomes the focal point of that primary dome, and therefore becomes the Orthodox Man unto the world, he is the focal point and conveyor of the capitol's capitalism.

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The Orthodox Man sits under the dome of the capitol.

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Altar of the Chair of St Peter


The Spire is a central symbol of The Free Enterprise System. This is an Architectural Symbol of living by revelation and for Man's Seeking.
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With the spire the focal point is Heaven.

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Unrestrained capitalism is simply this: Exchanges must be voluntarily agreed to by both parties. That's it.

It doesn't mean you have to accumulate for it's own sake, or devote your life to chasing after the latest gadgets, or that consumerism is a virtue. It doesn't say how you ought to live your life. It does not supply you a meaning to your life.

It simply means exchanges must be voluntarily agreed to by both parties. It is economic liberty. You should never use somebody as a means to your end. It means that when two people interact, both people want the interaction, otherwise one of you is using the other as a means to an end.

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the Atonement/Free Market of the Soul is the basis of a Free Society.

The name of the city of Salem is where we get the English concept of Sale from. And what is the basis of the Sale? The Atonement, the fruit of the Lord that gives us eternal life.

From the book, "The Story of Rights in America"

“Who did make up the Rules for how the Free Enterprise System operates? Who was the original Author of all of these Customs by which the Entire World today Buys and Sells? Who invented this Concept represented to all of the World today by this Germanic Word, ‘SALE’? What is the Free Enterprise System’s Concept of the ‘Sale’? What EXACTLY is it, and exactly WHERE does it come from?”

If one looks up the word “sale” in Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary one sees: [ME, fr. OE. sala, fr. ON — more at SELL]. If one looks up “sell” in that Dictionary one sees: [M(iddle) E(nglish) …, fr.(om) O(ld) E(nglish) …, O(ld) N(orse) sala sale] (the information in parentheses added).

Elsewhere in that Dictionary one finds these points of information about the word “sala.” [French salon, from Italian salone, augmentative of sala hall, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German sal hall; ...]

This citation in Webster’s Dictionary mentions “sala hall, of Germanic origin.”

In many ways the Free Enterprise System of England has always been, and today that System for the Entire World still is, directed from “the London Guildhall,” the City Hall of the ancient, independent, medieval City State of World Commerce of London. All of the Medieval City States of the Hanseatic League across Northern Europe had a “City Hall.” A modern descendant of Medieval Guilds are Labor Unions. When one goes to a “Labor Temple” one may go to its “Hiring Hall” to sign up for work. The London Guildhall has always maintained a “Temple.” It is still there today. The people who wish to try to maintain the Customs of the Guild of Medieval Masons maintain a strong relation to the Temple of London and to the specific organization that ran it.

So the words “sale” and “sell” come from the Old English and Old Norse word “sala”; and “sala” is also the Germanic word for a “hall,” which is a structure that has always been at the heart of the operations of the organizations that created the Free Enterprise System.

In German dictionaries the English word “hall” translates into the German word “Saal” (in the singular), many “Säle” (in the plural).

In Dutch dictionaries the English word “hall” is pronounced exactly the same way as that German word but is spelled “Zaal.”
In Swedish the English word “hall” is “sal”; “the hall” is “salen”; many “halls” is “salar.” The Swedish word for “to club together” is “sala.” In Finnish a “hall” is a “Sali.”

In Latin languages the suffix “-on” or “-one” is “augmentative,” which means that that suffix is used to show that something is “big.” A “hall” is a “big room.” However the Normans (or others before them) got the Germanic word “sala” used for so many kinds of “rooms” in France: “salle à manger” = “dining room,” “salle d’ attente” = “waiting room,” “salle de bain” = “bathroom,” “salle de lecture” = “reading room,” that the word “salle” just became the word “room” in French.

When the French wanted to get back to make the point that a “salle” was a “big room,” like a “hall,” they added the suffix “-on” to make the new word “salon.” In French the “-on” is pronounced something like the sound in the English word “own.” To keep that sound in Dutch the Dutch language uses a double “o” = “oo.” In the Netherlands the Dutch surname, “Roosevelt,” meaning “rose field,” is pronounced “row-se-felt.” For the Dutch to use the French expression “salon,” meaning a “big room,” they have to spell it “saloon.”

So, once again, our searching seems to have brought us to a glimpse of something going from the sublime to the ridiculous.

Somewhere in North Europe there was a hall that seems to have been named “sala” or “sal,” meaning “sale,” that was a “temple” of the working people of Europe, of their Guild System. This Hall or Temple has such a profound effect on the people of North Europe that all halls in Germanic countries and Scandinavia are named for it till this day. To the extent that the proceedings in this Hall at the origin of the Guild System were “confidential,” that explains why, in Finland, where every hall is called a “Sali,” the root of the word for “secret” is “sala.” Moreover, every “room” in the French-speaking world is named a “salle,” from that same origin; and it seems that the word for every neighborhood beer hall in the English-speaking world (when such are called “saloons”) means that they got their name from that same origin.

So, in answer to the question of “what” exactly is a “sale,” it seems that it has a relationship to a great “hall,” a “temple” somewhere in North Europe that has something to do with the origin of the way that the people there have always worked together. And, even though we get this information from so nefarious a place as the tracing of the origin of the word “saloon” in Webster’s Dictionary, we also find there, at that same place in that Dictionary, the information that that word is also [ … akin to Lithuanian sala village], which may help us on our way to find out exactly “where” the concept of the “sale” comes from.

Near to the coast, in the Country of Lithuania, one finds the Lithuanian town named, Salantai. Near the Latvian border, in the middle of the Country, one finds the town of Salociai. From there, a short distance away to the southeast, one finds the town of Salamiestis; and, east of there, on the eastern border of the Country, is the town of Salakas. Latvia borders Lithuania on the north. On the west coast of Latvia one finds the town of Ventspils. Just to the south of Latvia’s capital, Riga, one finds the city of Salaspils. Between the two and near Lithuania one finds the town of Saldus.

Westward from these cities and towns, out in the Baltic Sea, one finds the large Swedish island of Gotland, the headquarters of the Hanseatic League during the centuries of the Crusades. These cities and towns of Latvia and Lithuania were places near the Hansa’s headquarters whereto its merchants sent merchandise intended for transshipment etc. to inland areas in Russia and elsewhere. “Did these cities and towns of Latvia and Lithuania take the Old Norse word ‘sala,’ meaning ‘sale,’ as the names for their markets, to which these Viking Merchants from the Baltic freighted their goods for sale there (as well as to transport them from there eastward into Russia etc.), in a way that is somewhat analogous to the way in which all of the towns to the west of them had developed the meaning ‘buy’ from the function that their ‘B-u-ys’ fulfilled as the centers to which the people from surrounding neighborhoods came to ‘buy’ the things which they needed?”

The World might think that all of the Business Customs of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe are centered in that word “Buy.” Indeed, therein is the genius of the concept of: “The Consent of The Governed.” The people of the world today now all have to be entreated into giving their Consent — as they individually CHOOSE the things which they WANT to BUY. This is so much better than the scare from failed Communism which imposter of these Business Customs fought against people being able to individually choose what they wanted to Buy.

But, as alluded to, although a tiny participation in the overall System is a vote of approval cast in favor of the System, it is not the concept of “the Buy” that is the ESTABLISHMENT or the BEGINNING of the overall System. It is the concept of “the SALE” that is the establishment or the beginning of the Free Enterprise System. All of the Ancestral Customs, including the Business Customs, of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe BEGAN or were established with the Introduction among them of the concept of: “The SALE.”

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Serragon wrote: September 14th, 2015, 4:57 pm
marc wrote: We must all work, but the food is free.
If you MUST work, then the food is not FREE.
You aren't working for the food. You are working to improve your life and skills, knowledge and the world around you.

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Everything belongs to The Lord. The only thing that belongs to you is your Will. You either give your will to the Lord or to Satan.

If you give your will, in any degree to Satan then you own nothing and can sell nothing, only as an illegal owner, liar and thief of that something.

Continuing from, "The Story of Rights in America"

"The Beginning

Let’s suppose that these cities and towns of northern Lithuania and of Latvia, of which we have spoken, were established by the Crusaders who, in the 1200’s, flocked to the east shore of the Baltic Sea, with their Guns, to stop Genghis Khan’s 700,000 mounted lancers coming to conquer White Christian Europe; or, let us suppose that they were established by those Crusaders’ predecessors in the Hanseatic League. They may have been named by those Crusaders or their predecessors in the Hansa for this Scandinavian concept of “the Sale” = “Sala” because of the activities of the Scandinavian Hansa’s headquarters, located nearby, in a northwesterly direction from them. The Hansa is what transmitted to the world the concept of “the Sale” = “Sala,” and the Hansa was the provisioner of the Crusaders and of their supporting populations in that area.

“Is it obvious where the Scandinavian Hansa originally got the concept of ‘the Sale’ = ‘Sala’?”

Yes.

All of the Customs of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe come from the vicinity of the large lake that extends to the west of Stockholm, Sweden. Since the coming to Sweden of Catholicism that Lake has been renamed, “Mäleren Lake.” Before that time it was known throughout Northern Europe as, “Lake LAW.”

Juteland, the original home of the Jutes = Goths who conquered the European Roman Empire including Roman Britain, is the land to the south of Lake LAW and of the other large lakes to its west, which divide Sweden between Swealand to their north and Juteland to their south. That part of Swealand which is immediately north of Lake LAW has always been known as “Uppland,” which means “Up-land” in English.

When it was alluded to that across the trade routes of Juteland one finds so many of the large shopping towns there named “(something-) köping,” mention was made of the fact that there are two trading centers just across Lake LAW from Juteland, on the north shore of Lake LAW, in Uppland, that also have this designation. One of these, on the central north shore, is Enköping. At the west end of Lake LAW there is a port city with just the name, “Köping.” Between these two and about halfway inland into Uppland is the city of “Sala.” Here, in these two cities of ancient Uppland, we have the cities of “Buying” and “Selling.”

Moreover, all there know that they got all of their Customs from the nearby Ancient Capital City of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe, Sweden’s Ancient and Medieval Capital, and still the “intellectual capital” of Sweden, that is located in the center of Uppland — the city of Uppsala, which in English is “Upper Sala.”

Uppsala or Upsala is the site of the large Temple of the pre-Roman-Catholic “LAW Religion” of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe. It is the “big room,” “Hall,” “sal,” “Saal,” “Zaal,” “sali” or “salle” where they get their idea of “the Sale.”

“What is it that was ‘on Sale’ at that Temple at Upper Sale?” Everything! Everything in existence was on Sale at the Temple at Upper Sale. However, everything in existence was considered to be a part of “the Sale” that is on Sale at Sale.

In modern German the way that one pronounces the word for what is on Sale at Sale sounds something like, “Say-leh.” In German that is written: “die Seele.” In German those two words are pronounced, “dee Zay-leh.” “Die Seele” in German means, “the Soul.” In the Germanic language of English one might say, “The Soul is Sold here.”

If asked, “Which Soul?” the answer in German would sound in English something like: “The Selly-est Soul.” In written German that is: “die seligste Seele.” “Selig” in German means, “heavenly blissful or happy.”

The Swedish word for “sell” is “sälja” (pronounced “sell-ya”). The Swedish word for “soul” is “själ” (pronounced “shell”). The Swedish word for “heavenly blissful” is “säll” (pronounced “sell”). Its word for “blessed” or “saved” is “sälig.” The Swedish word and the word used throughout Scandinavia for that “blissful,” “lucky,” “happy” part of mankind that has been fortunate enough to be initiated into our ancient Customs is “Sällskap” = “Sell-ship” or “Sell-hood.” “Sällskap” is the universal Scandinavian word for “Society” or “Association.”

It is well known around the world that in the Great World Language of German the abbreviation that is used by large corporations in Germany, corresponding to the abbreviation “Inc.,” that is used in the USA, is “A.G.” In German that is the abbreviation for “Aktiengesellschaft” — “Stock Company.” The German word for all “Society” or any society, association or company is “Ge-sell-schaft,” which is the same word for the same meaning as the Scandinavian word, “sällskap.” In German, “to join” anything is “gesellen.” The word “gesellig” means “sociable” or “convivial.” The expression “Gesellen-” means “Journeymans-” (a journeyman is one who has followed the Ancient Customs of the Germanic Peoples to join one of their Craft Guilds — “Associations”).

Now, since “all of the Customs of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe” originated from “the concept of the Sale” or the act of “sell-ing,” it probably shouldn’t come as too great of a surprise to discover that when the Mediterranean Foes of those Customs of that Race took over control of the mental environment of Northern Europe they would try to expunge the Germanic word “sell.” That is what they did in Germany. There Roman Catholicism forced Germany’s people to change and use an expression that means “to for-buy,” “verkaufen,” to, thereafter, express what had been the essence of Germany: the word “sell.”

So, the German word for “heavenly blissful” is “selig” = “sell-y.” The Swedish word is both “sälig” and just plain “säll.” “Whose ‘Sale’ (Soul) is it that is the ‘selly-est’ (the most “heavenly blissful”) ‘Sale’ that is for ‘Sale’ at the Temple, the Hall, the “big room” or “salle” in Uppland, north of Lake LAW in Upper Sale, that is, in Uppsala?” The answer is given to us in the Story that begins that greatest of insights into the History of the Crusades, “the Sagas of the Kings of Norway” or “the Heimskringla.”

The First Saga, wherein this Story is told, begins with a geography of Europe. Its author, writing shortly after the time of the Magna Carta, tells his readers that the Mediterranean Sea goes from the Strait of Gibraltar “all the way to Jerusalem-land.” His Old Norse or Icelandic expression is: “all the way to JorSALA-land.” To the Vikings Jerusalem is Jorsala. To the Vikings all Crusaders were called, “Jerusalem-farers” — “Jorsalfar-s.” There is one Saga, around which Edvard Grieg composed a Symphony, that is called, “The Saga of King Sigurd Jorsalfar” — King Sigurd the Crusader or the “Jerusalem-farer.”

To the Vikings, their Great King, who brought LAW to the White Christian Race of Northern Europe and who had the large Temple built at Upper Salem — Uppsala, came from the area at the east end of the Mediterranean Sea, the area of Lower Salem — Jorsala, Jerusalem.

Salem

The City of Jerusalem originated as the ancient City of Salem, where the Patriarch Abraham paid his tithing. As one becomes familiar with the Sagas one sees how the Vikings, who saw Uppsala originating as a copy of Jorsala, see their concept of “the Sale” as the “Sale” part of the ancient name “Sale-m.”

In order for us to understand, “Who is Germany’s ‘die seligste Seele,’ ‘the selly-est Sale,’ ‘the most heavenly blissful Soul,’ whom is ‘sold’ at Upper Sale?” we must investigate the origin of Upper Sale’s origin, the original City of “Sale.”

The Patriarch Noah was Abraham’s eighth great grandfather. By the Chronology given by Moses, in the Book of Genesis, Chapters 5 and 11, etc., Noah was still alive for many years after Abraham was born. By those Chronologies Abraham was 58 years old when Noah died, the Antediluvian Noah living to the great age of the Antediluvians. In Genesis 9:28-29 one reads that the lifetime of the Patriarch Noah extended for 950 years. He lived for 350 after the Flood (which extends his lifetime 58 years into that of his 8th great grandson, Abraham.)

Both Noah and Abraham held the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood of the Son of God.

Noah’s birthright son and immediate heir to the Patriarchate of the Human Race, Shem, was also an Antediluvian. He also lived to the great age of the Antediluvians; however, most of his lifetime followed the Flood. The Book of Genesis says that he lived for 502 years after the Flood. That is, the Patriarch Shem, who also held the holy Melchizedek Priesthood of the Son of God, outlived his seventh great grandson and heir in the line of the Birthright, or of the Patriarchate of the Human Race, Abraham.

“Which of the Patriarchs was the ancient Patriarch Melchizedek, who founded the City of Salem?” The Apostle Paul, speaking from his background of Hebrew Scholarship, in the Epistle to the Hebrews, 7:1-3, says of Melchizedek:

1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Shem outlived Abraham and all of Abraham’s Patriarchal Forefathers back to Shem with the exception of Heber: the Forefather of the Hebrews. Heber was Shem’s great grandson and Abraham’s fourth great grandfather. During the 152 years that Shem outlived Noah, Shem was “without father.” At the end of Abraham’s lifetime he was also “without descent” in those eight intervening generations between him and Abraham, except for the Patriarch Heber and Heber’s father, the Patriarch Salah (who outlived Abraham by three years). That is, throughout most of Abraham’s lifetime and for 35 years after Abraham’s death, Shem was the Reigning Patriarch of the Human Race, in primogeniture etc. descent from Adam. Shem certainly seems to be of the dignities which Paul referred to that pertained to the Patriarch Melchizedek.

If Shem is Melchizedek then how interesting is the ancient Hebrew wisdom supplied to us by the Prophet Alma the Younger in the Book of Mormon where Alma tells us these things about Melchizedek in Alma 13:14-18.

14. Yea, humble yourselves even as the people in the days of Melchizedek, who was also a high priest after this same order which I have spoken, who also took upon him the high priesthood forever.
15. And it was this same Melchizedek to whom Abraham paid tithes; yea even our father Abraham paid tithes of one-tenth of all he possessed.
16. Now these ordinances were given after this manner, that thereby the people might look forward on the Son of God, it being a type of his order, or it being his order, and this that they might look forward to him for a remission of their sins, that they might enter into the rest of the Lord.
17. Now this Melchizedek was a king over the land of Salem; and his people had waxed strong in iniquity and abomination; yea they had all gone astray; they were full of all manner of wickedness;
18. But Melchizedek having exercised mighty faith, and received the office of the high priesthood according to the holy order of God, did preach repentance unto his people. And behold, they did repent; and Melchizedek did establish peace in the land in his days; therefore he was called the prince of peace, for he was the king of Salem; and he did reign under his father.

[It may be that a main thought that brings this information up, for LDS, is from the expressions that are found in D&C 107:2. “Why this is called the Melchizedek Priesthood is because Melchizedek was such a great high priest,” and in D&C 138:41. “Noah, who gave warning of the flood; Shem, the great high priest; Abraham, the father of the faithful; Isaac, Jacob, and Moses, the great law-giver of Israel; “]

During the lifetime of Heber’s son Peleg, Shem’s second great grandson, the Babel = Babylon Rebellion of “Politics Against the Patriarchal Order of the Human Race” began. The Rebellion apparently also became a Racial War, as well as Linguistic Confusion; and the Human Race was forced to scatter from our Home Valley of the Mesopotamia (where we had “begun,” for a second time, after the Flood) to all parts of the Earth. Noah survived his third great grandson Peleg by twelve years. Apparently Noah and the Holy Priesthood of the Patriarchate needed to flee from the vicious children of their posterity, of, by then, remote generations, in the scattering from Babel in the days of Peleg.

The site of Jerusalem/Salem is, so to speak, located upon a remote mountainous crag on the periphery of the Mesopotamian Valley. The enormous defensive value of the site lies in the fact that the Crag has a Spring. When one builds a Fortress upon that long, narrow, protruding tongue of land, a steep-walled “mesa,” about 500 feet wide and protruding out from the rest of the mesa from which it originates for less than half a mile, “Mount Zion” or “the mountain of the Lord’s House,” the Spring, at the tip of that tongue of land, gives its controllers a source of pure drinking water no matter how long an invading army, of the size that the Fortress can resist, decides to linger around the base of the mountain or foot of the Fortress’s walls waiting for victims to come out.

Noah, Shem, probably Heber and others of the Patriarchs such as Heber’ father, Salah, fleeing from the Rebellion of Politics against the True Order of the Human Family, may have needed to find such a Site and build such a Fortress to defend themselves against their own frenzied remote descendants. That is, these true Leaders of God’s Church on the Earth, preserved by miracles to their great age to provide a link between the Human Family and Heaven, this most precious link, and Noah, the very father of everybody, would have been murdered in a heartbeat by the clowns who had gotten sizable followings for their mal-conceived schemes because these true Leaders are evidence of the mal-conception of those schemes! “Sound familiar?” “Would the leaders of today’s mal-conceived social schemes nuclear bomb Mount Zion today if they knew the true identity of its Founders and realized that there might be some hidden cache of information there demonstrating for the Human Family the falsity of Politics?” Almost certainly.
Noah and Shem were the true Patriarchal Leaders of the Human Family and of God’s True Church on Earth during their lifetimes. Abraham accorded to Melchizedek the obedience due to such a Leader. If Shem is Melchizedek, the King and military commander of that Fortress of ancient Salem, then he saw to the performance of these mundane duties “under” the surveillance communicated to him from the True Leader of Melchizedek’s people, the Second Father of Mankind, Shem’s father Noah.

In that instance, then, Noah is the Founder of Salem.

The last of Noah’s Patriarchal Forefathers died just before or at the time of the Flood. Therefore, from the time of the Flood and throughout the rest of his lifetime Noah was, as everyone acknowledges, the Patriarch of the Human Family. As well, he was the True Leader of the Melchizedek Priesthood during the remainder of his lifetime. If Noah was the Founder of Salem then, in view of these other things, the intended flight to that location by Abraham’s Patriarchal father, Terah, could be explained as a flight by Terah and his family to live in the righteousness of that vicinity among the people that respected that Office, of which he was in the line of its heirs, and away from the amoral chaos that had become the Culture of the Chaldeans.
However, as Moses’ Bible narrative tells us, by the time that Abraham and a small part of his family finally did leave Haran, in the Mesopotamia, and come into the vicinity of Salem to live, Abraham was 75 years old. By that time Noah had been dead for 17 years. When Abraham came to the region of Salem to live, for the remaining 100 years of Abraham’s lifetime, and for 35 years after Abraham’s death, Shem was the Reigning Patriarch of Mankind.

Among the many things that Noah had been, one of his duties might be referred to as that of “the Presiding High Priest of ‘the Religion of the Offering of Sacrifices’ of Adam.”

Genesis 8:15 And God spake unto Noah, saying,
16 Go forth from the Ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons’ wives with thee.
20 And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
In the First Saga, the Ynglinga Saga, its author says that “Asia City,” where the King ruled who brought its Law from Asia Land to Uppland, “was a great place for sacrifices.”

“Who was the Sale (German “Seele,” English “Soul”) for whom Salem was founded by the Ancient Patriarchs of Mankind to be the place for the sacrificial offering of that Soul?”

Isaiah 53:10 ... when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed ...
12 ... he hath poured out his soul unto death ...
As people become familiar with purposes performed in the world today by the Book of Mormon, it seems that many may feel inclined to think that, “the God of Israel helps people to understand things like the words of Isaiah through explanations given in the Book of Mormon by persons such as the Prophet Abinadi”:

Mosiah 14:5. ... the chastisement of our peace was upon him ...
10. ... when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin he shall see his seed ...
12. ... he hath poured out his soul unto death ...
15:10. ... Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for sin he shall see his seed. And now what say ye? And who shall be his seed?
11. Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the prophets, yea, all the holy prophets that have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord — I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are the heirs of the kingdom of God.
12. For these are they whose sins he has borne; these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed?

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Re: Is Capitalism Moral?

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Continuing:

"The Sale

That which is named, “die Seele,” in German, that was “poured out ... unto death” at the site of ancient Salem, founded by Melchizedek and his father, included the Intelligence (the “Will”), the Spirit (“Ghost” in Germanic languages) and the Body of its Offerer.

When His “Seele” was made an offering for sin, when He had poured out His Soul unto death, He saw His seed. “Who are His seed?” Those who look to Him. Before His coming it was those who “looked forward” on “the Son of God.” After the Last Supper it is those who “always remember him.”

The “Sale” that was poured out unto death at Ancient Salem, Jerusalem or Jorsala, is the Soul that was Sold at the Temple of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe at Upper Sala. “How did the People of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe BUY, in all of their ‘By’s’ (the “Communes” into which He divided all of Northern Europe), that Soul that is Sold in the ‘Communion’ that thereafter was held every Sunday in the Meetinghouses of every one of those Communes?”

There is this modern “Tragedy,” in relation to this thought, in the sad situation about which we have spoken at the length that we have. That is the Tragedy that so many people feel that has hurt Mankind so much. It seems that many express that hurt saying things such as: “The heads of the entire Human Race have been incessantly clubbed by the baseball bat of Communism throughout virtually all of the Twentieth Century with the fact that no one has the slightest clue about the ‘-ISM,’ the true belief, that is behind the Communion that was always the central fact of life in all of the Communes into which the homeland of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe has been divided, since the beginnings of memory about them, from the Customs of which Communes, on how to behave with other people, have come the procedures for functioning of all Human Society in the Twentieth Century.”

It can be thought that: “Human beings really only have one thing that is truly ours to give, that has always been ours forever. We have only had our Bodies for a short while. They were given to us by our earthly parents at birth. Germanic languages call the ‘inner man’ within all humans (the ‘eye’ of which, the ‘mind’s eye,’ is that with which we see our dreams) the ‘ghost’ of a human being. These ‘ghosts’ were given to us by our Heavenly Parents in the life before this one on this Earth. However, our Intelligence, our Mind (our “Will,” in Germanic languages) is the essence of what we are and always have been, ‘from everlasting.’ It is THE ONLY THING that is truly yours and mine TO GIVE.” The Son of God tells all men that they may give Him that sole treasure that is theirs to give, if their Intelligence, their Mind, their Everlasting Will, will tell their Mind’s “Eye” to LOOK TO HIM. If they will do that then He is theirs, and He is everything — He owns all things — and they are His.

That was referred to in the Bible. The Lord said that: “On” the “commandments” that include, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God” “with all thy mind” “hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets.” As has been referred to, the True Administration of the Sacrament, that has been restored, tells that as we “always remember him” we are qualifying to “always have his Spirit to be with” us. As we keep these Covenants to “always remember” we are progressing, in The True Law that is restored to Latter-day Saints, to “love the Lord thy God” with “all thy mind.”

[People know that President David O. McKay was a very determined opponent of Communism. The people who produced the Technology Advancements that did away with Communism know that that Production was done in the environment that was initiated by President McKay. In relation to this we know that W. Cleon Skousen told how President McKay “prophesied” to him that “The Way will open up” for “our People” to learn, again, how to “Work Together By The Law.” The World names what LDS refer to as, “the Law,” with the technical name, “The Common Law of England.” And, that name refers to the “Law” of the Forefathers of Joseph Smith and of the other early Latter-day Saints, that was involved in the “Communion of the Lord’s Supper,” which they partook of in the “Communes” of their Forefathers. The sacred information concerning the administration of the Sacrament in the Restored Church has already been referred to, which explains how the essence of the True Law, in relation to the administration of the Sacrament, has been restored to serve all who join the True Church.]

The effective doing of this by the Forebears of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe throughout the first centuries of the Christian Era (and throughout its first millennium in Scandinavia and, somewhat, in Britain) established the Customs for human behavior that are the only fiber holding together the Fabric of all human life upon this Planet at the close of the Twentieth Century.

The Tidal Wave of Filth, of Willful Ignorance and of Evil that swept over Mankind in the Rebellion against the True Church of the Son of God, as He established it among the “multitude of nations” of the Patriarchal Race of Mankind, has begun to ebb and is now flowing back out to Sea. The Victimizers that are taking so many Victims with them back out in that Flow have no reason to rejoice. They are all going to die in the icy deep right along with all of their Victims that they take with them.

“How may you and I REMAIN, so that we don’t get carried away with the Wicked in that ebb of the Tidal Wave of Filth and Evil now flowing back out to Sea?”

In the 86th Section of the Doctrine and Covenants the Lord speaks through the Prophet Joseph Smith to His Latter-day Servants. He begins speaking of how the True Church was begun by His Apostles. Then He speaks of its fate:

Section 86:2. ... the apostles were the sowers of the seed. 3. And after they have fallen asleep the great persecutor of the church, the apostate, the whore, even Babylon, that maketh all nations to drink of her cup, in whose hearts the enemy, even Satan, sitteth to reign — behold he soweth the tares; wherefore, the tares choke the wheat and drive the church into the wilderness.
8. Therefore, thus saith the Lord unto you, with whom the priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers –
9. For ye are lawful heirs, according to the flesh, and have been hid from the world with Christ in God –
10. Therefore your life and the priesthood have remained and must needs remain through you and your lineage until the restoration of all things spoken of by the mouths of all the holy prophets since the world began.
11. Therefore, blessed are ye if ye continue in my goodness, a light unto the Gentiles, and through this priesthood, a savior unto my people Israel. The Lord hath said it. Amen.

Here the Prophet Joseph Smith and his fellow Servants of the Lord are told that their Anglo-Saxon flesh is that through which they are “lawful heirs according to the flesh” of “the priesthood” of the Original Church of the Apostles, which had been driven “into the wilderness.” They are told that they are those “with whom the priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers.”

They are told that their Anglo-Saxon flesh has “been hid from the world with Christ in God,” in Old England and then in New England.

They are told, “Therefore, blessed are ye if ye continue in my goodness.” The Lord’s Goodness is the heart of the Anglo-Saxon Customs clung to by those in the lineage of Joseph Smith’s and his fellow Leaders’ “fathers.”

All men are told that we will be blessed if we continue in the Lord’s Goodness as clung to through time by the ancestors of Joseph Smith and his associates. In answer to the complaint that the Persecutors of Christ’s people have sown such chaos where there used to be supposed understanding of what Christ’s Goodness is, people realize that the Lord has given His Church the Latter-day Books of Scripture which clearly show us how to continue in Christ’s Goodness.

However, knowledgeable persons may ask, “When the Enemies of White Christian Europe discovered that, because of our Invention of Guns, their massive attack with Genghis Khan’s 700,000-man Cavalry was worthless going westward, they used it, instead, to go eastward to murder 1/3 of the population of China, strip it of all of its gold and treasure and, then, through this domination of the World’s Gold Supply, attack us mentally through the Greek Orthodox Gold Coinage that we had adopted during the Crusades as the MONEY through which, thereafter, the White Christian Race would BUY and SELL in our Free Enterprise System. Our Enemies have completely taken the control of the Finances of our Free Enterprise System away from us through their absolute control of the World’s Money Supply, which control they got through their control over the World’s Gold Supply, which they got through their Murder of the Chinese. With this Control they can command a Worldwide Monetary Collapse whenever they want to, throwing virtually everybody in the world into complete confusion, disorder, chaos and destitution. From the beginning of our Church it seems that our Enemies have, through secular Governments, managed to manipulate things to thwart almost every attempt which we make to ‘continue’ in our ancestral principles of trying to ‘work together’ in Jesus’ ‘Goodness,’ in relation to the overall way that we do our work. This Enemy, through Government, seems to try to check every effort which the Church might attempt to allow us to continue functioning by our Ancestral Principles of Jesus’ Goodness in our workplaces. ‘How can we use these Principles; how can we continue clinging to them in our work, now that that Tidal Wave of Filth and evil, that brought this Enemy in over us, is now washing back out into the Icy Deep so much over which it has gained control?’”

The Financial World is controlled by the BOND Market that for centuries now has been the same thing as the ancient, independent republic of the Commonwealth of London in England. The way that that Bond Market works, in theory, is by continuing in Jesus’ Goodness as the Ancestors of Joseph Smith and his associates had so continued throughout the history of London. The workings of that Bond Market depend entirely upon a universal Custom of the Workmen of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe, which any Latter-day Saint is free to do whenever he or she wants to. If any of us choose to we need not be washed away with the Wicked in their Chaos. On the contrary, we may continue in Jesus’ Goodness maintaining and protecting us from the Chaos that is washing so much of the Evil away.

Anyone who goes through the Temple knows that our Father in Heaven asks us there to do certain things. The Entire Financial World, operating on the Customs of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe, is dependent upon ONE SINGLE CUSTOM OF THE WORKMEN OF THOSE PEOPLE. Trying to continue in the Goodness of their Forefathers’ Christian Customs, ALL OF THESE WORKMEN HAD THE CUSTOM of asking the Lord what it is, specifically, that the Lord wanted each of them to do. That is, an individual Craftsman asks the Lord (in the most sacred place available to him) specifically what it is that his Conscience is prompting him that the Lord wants him to do. Then, when he knows specifically what it is that his Conscience is telling him that the Lord wants him to do, he returns to that sacred place and promises the Lord that he will do it.

If an individual Latter-day Saint will do this, then, to the extent that it really is the Lord telling him to do that, to the extent that he does what the Lord told him to do, the Lord is “BOUND,” Doctrine and Covenants 82:10.

The London “BOND” Market is based 100% upon this One surviving Ancestral Custom of the Christian Anglo-Saxon People (which in earlier times had a much more general observance throughout Northwestern Europe).

There can be no “Law” prohibiting the LDS People from going into a business that operates in the same way as that quintessence of Anglo-Saxon Law — the London Bond Market — has always operated. Should any of them want to continue in this Ancestral Custom of the Anglo-Saxons, that is the operating basis of this Bond Market which today controls the Financial World, the unique force therein that creates all of the Value that there is in this Bond Market is the Ancestral Custom of these Craftsmen that they “confide” in one another what each promised the Lord that he would do."

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Re: Is Capitalism Moral?

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It's the wrong question, based on the wrong premises.

Capitalism respects the 10 commandments, and socialism violates them all. Therefore we know that capitalism has the potential to be moral, but socialism does not.

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