How Low Can America Go?

[Bee Prepared]

Same sex marriage= moral decline, progressing at a rapid pace.

I miss the old America.

One can't even watch television without being exposed to sexually explicit pseudo porn, even or especially in the commercials. I can't believe what I see! The Sears catalog was about as sexually explicit as anyone could find. :ymblushing:

Prayer in school was common, immorality wasn't, there were no condom machines in the bathrooms. Every day at school started with the pledge of allegiance. We are now on the brink of economic disaster, illegals flooding into our country, children being taught in school that homosexuality is a normal lifestyle, and not accepting it is intolerant and small minded. How have we gone this far astray?

I remember my Father working hard to support our family, teaching us that accepting government handouts was a disgrace. He was honest. I watched him take money back when he was given too much change in a transaction. We were disciplined and taught to be respectful. If you came home from school in trouble with a teacher, you were in trouble with your parents. We played outside, rode bikes, even at night we played a game called white flag. We built forts. Most importantly we were taken to church, taught about God and Jesus Christ. The family is the backbone of this nation, the hand that rocks the cradle rules the nation, that type of thing. I pray that we can continue the traditions of our Fathers, especially in this age of moral decline.

[rewcox]

USA team has to beat Germany, considered the best team. Then they would have a good chance to win the World Cup...

Oh, maybe that isn't what you meant.

"Bee of good cheer!"

Those who are righteous and good will rise up. Zion will be established. What a wonderful thing! Bee Zion!

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[Bee Prepared]

USA team has to beat Germany, considered the best team. Then they would have a good chance to win the World Cup...

Oh, maybe that isn't what you meant.

"Bee of good cheer!"

Those who are righteous and good will rise up. Zion will be established. What a wonderful thing! Bee Zion!

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I am anxious for Zion to Bee established! We all have some work to do in getting along. ( especially little ole me!)

[rewcox]

It's going to Bee hard!

It's going to Bee tough!

This is our day! Come on folks, stand up and let's Do It!!!

[Bee Prepared]

It's going to Bee hard!

It's going to Bee tough!

This is our day! Come on folks, stand up and let's Do It!!!

Pony Up!

[David13]

Bee my childhood was much the same.
And I quite agree about the tv. Nothing but garbage and pandering to the prurient interests.
I do want to say tho', that I do not think "we" have gone astray. Yes, it is an extremely high portion of the population. But remember, California, a state filled with more nuts, fruits and perverts of every type, particularly in the government is the state that passed Proposition 8 twice a few years ago.
The church is looking for land in Orange County as the church is growing fast there.
I went to the Los Angeles Temple today and it was crowded.
So there may be hope.
But it seems to be a very overwhelming battle with the evil in this country today, what with the sodomites parading in the street to 'celebrate' their perversions. The situation in the schools, all the media. I don't know when the end will come.
dc

[OCDMOM]

How about the commercial for the show where the little boy is a transgender Girl? I do believe it's on the ABC Family channel.

[David13]

I do not want to see it. I do not even want to know about it.
On the family channel nonetheless.
dc

[Chip]

It's becoming so obvious that all these developments are not some societal "evolution", as we are led to believe, but are part of a massive prescription being foisted upon us to bring about ruin. The adversary knows just how fast to pace the program so that he doesn't lose the bulk of society, but drags it, mostly intact, down into subjection. This is the fate of a people who've known God through generations, but then became soft and let the adversary take over.

Isn't it something how almost all proponents of homosexual marriage also cheer big government, gun control, suppression of ideas, coercion, and so on? They all hate what we know as "agency", while supposing themselves champions of freedom. It's the same old conflict. God's support of man's agency tolerated Satan's rebellion and also necessitated a savior. The Earth was made to be a proving ground for responsible use of agency. Agency is the preeminent matter in existence and development.

[Sirocco]

Same sex marriage= moral decline, progressing at a rapid pace.

I miss the old America.

One can't even watch television without being exposed to sexually explicit pseudo porn, even or especially in the commercials. I can't believe what I see! The Sears catalog was about as sexually explicit as anyone could find. :ymblushing:

Prayer in school was common, immorality wasn't, there were no condom machines in the bathrooms. Every day at school started with the pledge of allegiance. We are now on the brink of economic disaster, illegals flooding into our country, children being taught in school that homosexuality is a normal lifestyle, and not accepting it is intolerant and small minded. How have we gone this far astray?

I remember my Father working hard to support our family, teaching us that accepting government handouts was a disgrace. He was honest. I watched him take money back when he was given too much change in a transaction. We were disciplined and taught to be respectful. If you came home from school in trouble with a teacher, you were in trouble with your parents. We played outside, rode bikes, even at night we played a game called white flag. We built forts. Most importantly we were taken to church, taught about God and Jesus Christ. The family is the backbone of this nation, the hand that rocks the cradle rules the nation, that type of thing. I pray that we can continue the traditions of our Fathers, especially in this age of moral decline.

When I was a lad I went to school and stayed afterwards when it wasn't cool.
I cleaned the windows and I swept the floor, and I polished up the handle of the big front door.
We had snow forts but no prayer in school
Unless it was a specific church that ruled
The teachers handed out things so carefully that you'd always wonder if you'd be free.


(If I ever had children I wouldn't want them to be forced to pray in school, religion is not a thing my family nor my kind of people gravitate towards).
I have a spiritual side, I think, but by and large I an choosy what I take from religions, as... why should I be?
I am not a peg that fits into a slot. My parents taught me one should find their own answers in life, about faith and all that, and I'd have never learned what I did from mindless prayer in schools...
I'd be blaming God for my sub par life, where as right now... it's just the way the world works, to live is to suffer.
To me there is no grand clash of forces changing the opinions of people around you... well maybe the internet, the internet has done religion no favours.

[Bee Prepared]

Same sex marriage= moral decline, progressing at a rapid pace.

I miss the old America.

One can't even watch television without being exposed to sexually explicit pseudo porn, even or especially in the commercials. I can't believe what I see! The Sears catalog was about as sexually explicit as anyone could find. :ymblushing:

Prayer in school was common, immorality wasn't, there were no condom machines in the bathrooms. Every day at school started with the pledge of allegiance. We are now on the brink of economic disaster, illegals flooding into our country, children being taught in school that homosexuality is a normal lifestyle, and not accepting it is intolerant and small minded. How have we gone this far astray?

I remember my Father working hard to support our family, teaching us that accepting government handouts was a disgrace. He was honest. I watched him take money back when he was given too much change in a transaction. We were disciplined and taught to be respectful. If you came home from school in trouble with a teacher, you were in trouble with your parents. We played outside, rode bikes, even at night we played a game called white flag. We built forts. Most importantly we were taken to church, taught about God and Jesus Christ. The family is the backbone of this nation, the hand that rocks the cradle rules the nation, that type of thing. I pray that we can continue the traditions of our Fathers, especially in this age of moral decline.

When I was a lad I went to school and stayed afterwards when it wasn't cool.
I cleaned the windows and I swept the floor, and I polished up the handle of the big front door.
We had snow forts but no prayer in school
Unless it was a specific church that ruled
The teachers handed out things so carefully that you'd always wonder if you'd be free.


(If I ever had children I wouldn't want them to be forced to pray in school, religion is not a thing my family nor my kind of people gravitate towards).
I have a spiritual side, I think, but by and large I an choosy what I take from religions, as... why should I be?
I am not a peg that fits into a slot. My parents taught me one should find their own answers in life, about faith and all that, and I'd have never learned what I did from mindless prayer in schools...
I'd be blaming God for my sub par life, where as right now... it's just the way the world works, to live is to suffer.
To me there is no grand clash of forces changing the opinions of people around you... well maybe the internet, the internet has done religion no favours.

And Sirocco, I like you just the way you are, we all have the right to choose what fits. Personally, I love the gospel, so many times in my life it was the only thing that made sense to me. I can remember the first time I heard that I was a child of God, I realized that it doesn't matter what anybody thinks of me, I am a child of God and I have worth.

[Sirocco]

Well I hope it carries you, and whomever derives strength from it.
I always thought the idea was ludicrous (I remember when I was told that, I thought God was some weird Orwellian thing that always watched me, like aliens or ghosts, and was out to kill me, despite "loving me" because he killed all those other people he loved in the bible and killed people everyday he loved too).
Being a very bizarre child the idea of God never sat well, looking back I find it funny, point being something like that which inspires good feeling and strength can't be a bad thing, it just doesn't resonate with me, or synch up fully to my beliefs, no religion does because my beliefs are a weird chaotic mess taken from all over the place.

[Bee Prepared]

My Savior and redeemer carries me when I am weak. I feel His love.

[light-one]

The day people started calling the United States, America, was the day that we became equal with the lowest common denominator.

People do not even specify North or South. So from the South Pole to the North Pole, we became equal. 'So they sent their lazy, their homeless, their drunks, their addicts, their free loaders, their homosexuals, their drug dealers, their killers, their thugs and thieves, and a million unattended children to collect welfare and food stamps. None of these people like the United States. In fact, their life ambition is to destroy it.

Being equal is a pretty good deal for the free loaders. Treating everyone the same means treating whites like they are black, treating the rich like they are thieves, punishing the productive, and removing freedoms from all.

The Founding Fathers knew that freedom requires work and blood. At one time we would kill a communist on sight. Now, every recipient of public education is a communist, unless they came from a freedom loving home where they were taught that the teachers are liars and that history has been rewritten removing the truth.

Once you realize that every democrat, every liberal, every progressive came to this earth to get a body in order to further Lucifer's plan, the puzzle pieces fit. They thought then, as they think now, that they are smarter than God. They pretended to follow Jesus, while maintaining 100% loyalty to Lucifer. Every once in a thousand, or a million, there is a Saul that has a change of heart, but by and large, the people on the left are not right. It is probably not a coincidence that the people which are not on the right, are wrong.

We could say "Yipee!, watch 'em burn. We are going to a big weenie roast." But that's not very tolerant. Although being tolerant is what got us here in the first place.

[Chip]

The day people started calling the United States, America, was the day that we became equal with the lowest common denominator.

People do not even specify North or South. So from the South Pole to the North Pole, we became equal. 'So they sent their lazy, their homeless, their drunks, their addicts, their free loaders, their homosexuals, their drug dealers, their killers, their thugs and thieves, and a million unattended children to collect welfare and food stamps. None of these people like the United States. In fact, their life ambition is to destroy it.

Being equal is a pretty good deal for the free loaders. Treating everyone the same means treating whites like they are black, treating the rich like they are thieves, punishing the productive, and removing freedoms from all.

The Founding Fathers knew that freedom requires work and blood. At one time we would kill a communist on sight. Now, every recipient of public education is a communist, unless they came from a freedom loving home where they were taught that the teachers are liars and that history has been rewritten removing the truth.

Once you realize that every democrat, every liberal, every progressive came to this earth to get a body in order to further Lucifer's plan, the puzzle pieces fit. They thought then, as they think now, that they are smarter than God. They pretended to follow Jesus, while maintaining 100% loyalty to Lucifer. Every once in a thousand, or a million, there is a Saul that has a change of heart, but by and large, the people on the left are not right. It is probably not a coincidence that the people which are not on the right, are wrong.

We could say "Yipee!, watch 'em burn. We are going to a big weenie roast." But that's not very tolerant. Although being tolerant is what got us here in the first place.

Interesting perspective.

It seems today that nobody is switching sides and any attempt at debate with liberals only causes anger. It's like the wheat and tares are already cast in their roles and are just hardening and drying out before the harvest. Growth time is past.

[wargames83]

Same sex marriage= moral decline, progressing at a rapid pace.

No it doesn't. In fact sames-sex marriage and being accepted into the mainstream in general could help gay people become more monogamous.

I miss the old America.

How old are you talking here? Go back far enough and you will reach the days when state governors could sign death warrants against Mormons. You could try to appeal to the Federal government to for protection from a state that is trying to kill you but the President would just say,"‘Gentlemen, your cause is just, but I can do nothing for you". Ah, good old states rights in action! There's nothing like the good old days, right?

Prayer in school was common, immorality wasn't

Teen pregnancies have gone down considerably since the early 90s (though it is still pretty high throughout much of the South and Southwest). http://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/adolescent-h ... rends.html

, there were no condom machines in the bathrooms. Every day at school started with the pledge of allegiance.

Better talk to Ezra if you think reciting the pledge is a good thing. Do you really want your kids reciting something written by socialist?

We are now on the brink of economic disaster, illegals flooding into our country, children being taught in school that homosexuality is a normal lifestyle, and not accepting it is intolerant and small minded. How have we gone this far astray?

Strange that they are taught that homosexuality is a lifestyle rather than a sexual orientation. Are you sure you got that right?

I remember my Father working hard to support our family, teaching us that accepting government handouts was a disgrace.

Yes, it is disgrace when someone who could work chooses not to and takes government handouts instead, but it also a disgrace that we let the handicapped, disabled, mentally ill, and other genuinely unemployed people live out in the streets in hunger.

[Bee Prepared]

No it doesn't. In fact sames-sex marriage and being accepted into the mainstream in general could help gay people become more monogamous.

Time will tell.

What a silly argument, it defies reason. God's plan for marriage is between a man and a woman, I stand with God.

How old are you talking here? Go back far enough and you will reach the days when state governors could sign death warrants against Mormons. You could try to appeal to the Federal government to for protection from a state that is trying to kill you but the President would just say,"‘Gentlemen, your cause is just, but I can do nothing for you". Ah, good old states rights in action! There's nothing like the good old days, right?

I lived during one of the best times in America, a time when Mother's stayed home, a time when you could ride your bike, even at night and not be afraid. A time that I am grateful for, and makes it difficult to see the sin that prevails now. A time when people had standards, when being a Christian was a good thing. My sweet grandchildren need re-briefing daily about the things they learn in school. I will never advocate an un-happy lifestyle which goes against God's plan.

[wargames83]

No it doesn't. In fact sames-sex marriage and being accepted into the mainstream in general could help gay people become more monogamous.

Time will tell.

What a silly argument, it defies reason. God's plan for marriage is between a man and a woman, I stand with God.

Would you get married to someone you are not sexually attracted to?

[Sirocco]

No it doesn't. In fact sames-sex marriage and being accepted into the mainstream in general could help gay people become more monogamous.

Time will tell.

What a silly argument, it defies reason. God's plan for marriage is between a man and a woman, I stand with God.

Which is a belief, since we can't ask God and get his opinion, just believe books people claim he had a part in or whatnot, or people who claim to speak for him...
Though further more, it seems it's religion who says that, because one can believe in God and get a whole other set of ideas on the world.

[Bee Prepared]

No it doesn't. In fact sames-sex marriage and being accepted into the mainstream in general could help gay people become more monogamous.

Time will tell.

What a silly argument, it defies reason. God's plan for marriage is between a man and a woman, I stand with God.

Would you get married to someone you are not sexually attracted to?

Would you?

Lets put it this way, if I had a tendancy for theft, should I fight it knowing it is wrong? How about lying, is it one of the 10 commandments to not bear false witness? Or shall I condone my actions in the name of I can't help it? I am not attracted to truth?

[Bee Prepared]

No it doesn't. In fact sames-sex marriage and being accepted into the mainstream in general could help gay people become more monogamous.

Time will tell.

What a silly argument, it defies reason. God's plan for marriage is between a man and a woman, I stand with God.

Which is a belief, since we can't ask God and get his opinion, just believe books people claim he had a part in or whatnot, or people who claim to speak for him...
Though further more, it seems it's religion who says that, because one can believe in God and get a whole other set of ideas on the world.

We can talk to God and get His opinion, its called prayer.

[wargames83]

Would you?

No. My point is that it is not right to restrict marriage for same sex attracted people to people that they are not sexually attracted to.

[Bee Prepared]

Would you?

No. My point is that it is not right to restrict marriage for same sex attracted people to people that they are not sexually attracted to.

Yes, it is right. Marriage is sacred, why do you want to re-define the word of God? Really?

[Sirocco]

We can talk to God and get His opinion, its called prayer.

Uh huh, but how is that a good engine to tell people on what God wants?
I mean a person could easily just make it up to suit their own whims.
And what if the person gets a different opinion then you got?
Is it all wrong unless it follows 1 set of opinions, and if so what's the point of praying if you should only get an answer other people have told you that they got from their prayers?

[Sirocco]

Would you?

No. My point is that it is not right to restrict marriage for same sex attracted people to people that they are not sexually attracted to.

Yes, it is right. Marriage is sacred, why do you want to re-define the word of God? Really?

Then why can non religious people get married?
What does it mean to them but signing a piece of paper and tax stuff?