Religious speech?

[friendsofthe]

At work I was talking to a fellow worker in the break room about what I had been learning about the seven feasts. It wasn't ten minutes later when a supervisor came to me and told me that I shouldn't speak of religion in the break room again.

So what say ye? Is that a violation of my freedom of speech and or freedom of religious speech?

[Joel]

At work I was talking to a fellow worker in the break room about what I had been learning about the seven feasts. It wasn't ten minutes later when a supervisor came to me and told me that I shouldn't speak of religion in the break room again.

So what say ye? Is that a violation of my freedom of speech and or freedom of religious speech?

I am ok with it, I would even be ok with it even if you were a Satan worshipper.

[Ezra]

Freedom of religion is not freedom from it.

If you look at what has been taught by the founding fathers. Seperation of church and state is seperation from a state sponcered religion.

And now we have exactly that in our country. A state sponcered religion.

God is taken out of school and Ten Commandments taken out of state buildings because the state religion is atheism. Or humanism Darwinism. God is not allowed.

"If the doctrines of these three men [Charles Darwin (evolution), Karl Marx(communism-socialism), Maynard Keynes(liberalism/socialist economics)] were to become the basic philosophy of our way of life, we as a people would fail as has no other generation before us since the days of Noah."
-Ezra Taft Benson, MIA Conference, June 1966

The communist socialist ideals only work if God has been taken out and replaced by another.

The problems you are now facing just shows how well satan has done his job at educating the masses to unwittingly doing his job of stopping the spread of the gosple.

[David13]

I have a strict policy of never discussing religion or politics unless I speak with someone known to be on my side in either.
It just causes too much friction, and particularly in the workplace.
That works quite well on motorcycle rides. Some violate the rule and major hassles result.
Sure it's a violation, but that's not the point. The point is ... do you need to talk with them about it? No. What purpose does it serve? None. And that goes for religion or politics.
dc

[Ezra]

I have a strict policy of never discussing religion or politics unless I speak with someone known to be on my side in either.
It just causes too much friction, and particularly in the workplace.
That works quite well on motorcycle rides. Some violate the rule and major hassles result.
Sure it's a violation, but that's not the point. The point is ... do you need to talk with them about it? No. What purpose does it serve? None. And that goes for religion or politics.
dc

I talk polotics and religion with everyone. I've learned over the years that we all agree with eachother on some things and then build off of those things.

[Sunain]

Most corporations, schools and businesses have rules of conduct these days that forbid religious speak. Many consider it proselytizing and they don't want to offend other peoples religious beliefs or no beliefs at all and don't want to hear it which is more often the case.

[David13]

Well I think both Ezra and myself don't have "jobs" like where we punch the time clock and go in to our work station and then to the break room for a soda or something.
So it's a little easier for us to talk; or not.
If you go into a corporation, you may sign agreeing to the rules.
I know I like to talk politics when I agree with someone and religion with someone from the church. But that's about it.
If somebody has to start in on me about how wonderful the great obama is I have to drop out.
I got other ways to spend my time.
dc

[Ezra]

I worked for the last 12 year at a wilderness youth program where I taught kids and their parents how to communicate with eachother.

And I honed my skills at being able to talk to anyone from any walk of life about both religion and politics without them getting upset.

Although when I meet other lds parents out there at that job. I didn't hold back. So they would feel the sting of the scriptures and prophetic words. If they needed it. Both scriptures and our prophets words have the ability to do that if your not doing as you should.

The key is you have to find common ground and then bring it up where it's not the forefront of the topic.

IE. Talking about the common ground topic you have and slip in a " it's kinda like this __________." Type thing . Which allows them to purse that offered topic or not. And allows you to explain the connection.

I love how truth is truth and how truth is connected to all others gosple and political truths.

We just have to look for and discover and understand those connecting truths.

Then practice teaching those truths in a hundred diffrent ways to a hundred diffrent people from diffrent walks of life.

Even if you start to upset others by the conversation. (Which by the way is them opening a door for you) because then you can seek forgivness and humble yourself befor them and (guess what) explain why you think and said what you did.

The thought just came to me that my knowledge of all the suttle communication tricks plays a big part in my ability to pull this off.

Communication is 90% non verbal.

[Sandinista]

At work I was talking to a fellow worker in the break room about what I had been learning about the seven feasts. It wasn't ten minutes later when a supervisor came to me and told me that I shouldn't speak of religion in the break room again.

So what say ye? Is that a violation of my freedom of speech and or freedom of religious speech?

Welcome to our politically correct world. The protection in the Bill of Rights of "freedom of religion" has been hijacked and made into "freedom from religion". Isn't no religion a "religion"? Why are we not free from that?

In my company you'd be free to discuss religion all you want, as long as you are respectful of others beliefs and their right to have those beliefs. Maybe you should look for a different position.

[prisonchaplain]

Most corporations, schools and businesses have rules of conduct these days that forbid religious speak. Many consider it proselytizing and they don't want to offend other peoples religious beliefs or no beliefs at all and don't want to hear it which is more often the case.

I wonder if this is really true. More often than not, there is a scenario like in the OP. Somebody in authority doesn't like religious talk, and enforces his/her preference, as if it were an actual rule. Additionally, due to increasing sensitivity (read: people do not like to disagree at all, viewing any as conflict and contention), so they self-edit. Unwritten rules are often more powerful, because they cannot be proven wrong or overturned.

[Sirocco]

At work I was talking to a fellow worker in the break room about what I had been learning about the seven feasts. It wasn't ten minutes later when a supervisor came to me and told me that I shouldn't speak of religion in the break room again.

So what say ye? Is that a violation of my freedom of speech and or freedom of religious speech?

Welcome to our politically correct world. The protection in the Bill of Rights of "freedom of religion" has been hijacked and made into "freedom from religion". Isn't no religion a "religion"? Why are we not free from that?

And replace it with what, prayer? Obviously that didn't work the first time.
Personally I usually refuse to talk about religion to anyone, because all they want to do is go on and on about their point and not listen to a thing anyone has to say.
There's never a dialog, just them screaming, me trying to speak, then more screaming often followed by personal attack.
I guard what I believe very closely and seldom give the full detail.
No one cares to hear it, just say their own peace, so best not to even let them start.

I should be able to choose to be free from religion if I so wanted to. It is a balance and harmony between both sides, however neither side wants to live in harmony and thus no harmony will ever come.

[Elizabeth]

Was the supervisor listening?

At work I was talking to a fellow worker in the break room about what I had been learning about the seven feasts. It wasn't ten minutes later when a supervisor came to me and told me that I shouldn't speak of religion in the break room again.

So what say ye? Is that a violation of my freedom of speech and or freedom of religious speech?

[David13]

Well, now, I have been ordained. (Two weeks ago)
So that means I have to preach the gospel.
But if I get a job, I do not think I will preach religion or politics on the job.
I'll have to look for other opportunities.
dc

[jbalm]

A company can be sued (and lose) if unwanted religious is permitted. It's considered to create a hostile work environment.

Some companies like to play it safe and not allow religious talk at all. They are just protecting themselves.

[Bee Prepared]

We can't talk religion, God has been removed from schools, but make sure you are tolerant of of gay people, transgenders,
and any other perversion that come our way. No one would dare ask gays to stop promoting their lifestyle, even in the lunchroom. Anything goes but God and religion. Its discrimination to tell you that you cannot talk religion. Why do we put up with this? I will tell anyone my beliefs, take me to jail! I cannot believe some of the ideas my grandchildren come home from school with, they have to be de- programed almost daily.

[Sirocco]

A company can be sued (and lose) if unwanted religious is permitted. It's considered to create a hostile work environment.

Some companies like to play it safe and not allow religious talk at all. They are just protecting themselves.

I'd complain. I go to work to do a job, be it cut meat, clean a floor or whatever else I did. Not hear someone's religious beliefs or his or her opinion on my life or how I live it (unless I ask).
It's very rare religion has anything nice to say to the non members around them. And yet they want you to join...

But the school thing, well it seems more people wanted LGBT acceptance then religion in schools.
You put up with it because you are a minority (who wants God and prayer in schools) times change, and that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Nothing stays the same forever.
I wouldn't want someone to have come up to me in school while I played magic the gathering and start going off about God or whatever.
Harassing me about something I didn't believe in and never wanted to hear.

Never been harassed by LGBT people but I've been harassed plenty by religious people, some of the worst things ever told to me were from religious people, some of the cruelest, most unkind people...again, because they felt they were right, and I was wrong.
And religion really loves to tell you how bad you are and how much it hates you. I hear it all the time, kind of becomes background noise after awhile, like a fan.
I wouldn't want any children I might have exposed to religion in schools, kid has enough nonsense to deal with, and clearly I'm not the minority in all this no religion in school thing.

[Ezra]

A company can be sued (and lose) if unwanted religious is permitted. It's considered to create a hostile work environment.

Some companies like to play it safe and not allow religious talk at all. They are just protecting themselves.

I'd complain. I go to work to do a job, be it cut meat, clean a floor or whatever else I did. Not hear someone's religious beliefs or his or her opinion on my life or how I live it (unless I ask).
It's very rare religion has anything nice to say to the non members around them. And yet they want you to join...

But the school thing, well it seems more people wanted LGBT acceptance then religion in schools.
You put up with it because you are a minority (who wants God and prayer in schools) times change, and that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Nothing stays the same forever.
I wouldn't want someone to have come up to me in school while I played magic the gathering and start going off about God or whatever.
Harassing me about something I didn't believe in and never wanted to hear.

Never been harassed by LGBT people but I've been harassed plenty by religious people, some of the worst things ever told to me were from religious people, some of the cruelest, most unkind people...again, because they felt they were right, and I was wrong.
And religion really loves to tell you how bad you are and how much it hates you. I hear it all the time, kind of becomes background noise after awhile, like a fan.
I wouldn't want any children I might have exposed to religion in schools, kid has enough nonsense to deal with, and clearly I'm not the minority in all this no religion in school thing.

I would turn on the TV but it's so embarrassing
To see all the other people I don't know what they mean
And it was magic at first when they spoke without sound
But now this world is gonna hurt you better turn that thing down
Turn it around

"It wasn't me", says the boy with the gun
"Sure I pulled the trigger but it needed to be done
Cause life's been killing me ever since it begun
You cant blame me cause I'm too young"

"You can't blame me sure the killer was my son
But I didn't teach him to pull the trigger of the gun
It's the killing on this TV screen
You cant blame me its those images he seen"

Well "You can't blame me", says the media man
Well "I wasn't the one who came up with the plan
I just point my camera at what the people want to see
Man it's a two way mirror and you cant blame me"

"You can't blame me", says the singer of the song
Or the maker of the movie which he based his life on
"It's only entertainment and as anyone can see
The smoke machines and makeup and you cant fool me"

It was you it was me it was every man
We've all got the blood on our hands
We only receive what we demand
And if we want hell then hells what well have

And I would turn on the TV
But it's so embarrassing
To see all the other people
I don't even know what they mean
And it was magic at first
But let everyone down
And now this world is gonna hurt
You better turn it around
Turn it around

Jack Johnson.


Our society as a whole follows exactly that pattern.
We only promote the bad. We only talk about the bad. Only entertained by the bad. And we will have hell if we keep on coarse.

As Martin Luther said.
I am much afraid that schools will prove to be great gates of hell unless they diligently labor in explaining the Holy Scriptures; engraving them in the hearts of youth. I advise no one to place his child where the scriptures do not reign paramount. Every institution in which men are not increasingly occupied with the word of God must become corrupt.

And that can be said about any place. School, Work, government , home. Where ever God and scriptures do not reign paramount evil will take his place.

[Bee Prepared]

A company can be sued (and lose) if unwanted religious is permitted. It's considered to create a hostile work environment.

Some companies like to play it safe and not allow religious talk at all. They are just protecting themselves.

I'd complain. I go to work to do a job, be it cut meat, clean a floor or whatever else I did. Not hear someone's religious beliefs or his or her opinion on my life or how I live it (unless I ask).
It's very rare religion has anything nice to say to the non members around them. And yet they want you to join...

But the school thing, well it seems more people wanted LGBT acceptance then religion in schools.
You put up with it because you are a minority (who wants God and prayer in schools) times change, and that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Nothing stays the same forever.
I wouldn't want someone to have come up to me in school while I played magic the gathering and start going off about God or whatever.
Harassing me about something I didn't believe in and never wanted to hear.

Never been harassed by LGBT people but I've been harassed plenty by religious people, some of the worst things ever told to me were from religious people, some of the cruelest, most unkind people...again, because they felt they were right, and I was wrong.
And religion really loves to tell you how bad you are and how much it hates you. I hear it all the time, kind of becomes background noise after awhile, like a fan.
I wouldn't want any children I might have exposed to religion in schools, kid has enough nonsense to deal with, and clearly I'm not the minority in all this no religion in school thing.

Normally people ask me about my religion because of my lifestyle, my children's example etc. As far as the schools, if they can't teach of God, or have prayer, why do they get to teach the opposite?And trust me they do. They teach that homosexuality is ok and that tolerance of what people choose as a lifestyle should be practiced. But no teaching of God is tolerated. Double standard! I have watched men kiss at sports events but there can be no prayer before the game because it might offend someone! Times have changed alright, and its the silence of good people who have let it happen. We have let ourselves be over ran by evil. It has been prophesied these things will happen so truly could we stop it? Home schooling? Family home evening, scripture study, prayer, church attendance, well taught children, following the counsel of our leaders, and we will make it through the storm, we shall not fear.

I do know someone who will not stand for it much longer. The great day of the Lord is coming, and there will be an end to it. I pray for it.

[Sirocco]

Yeah home schooling, as I said, the people who wanted LGBT acceptance and what not are the majority, you can't rule a majority of people with a minority idea.
I do agree there needs to be a harmonious medium, or at least an effort, no one wants to let the other side exist, personally while I don't think religion should be forced on anyone, I certainly think the option should be there, I mean religion is important to many people, as LGBT acceptance is important to me, and I personally have no desire to see religion expunged, I want to see harmony between the two, acceptance on both sides because neither side has any for eachother.
In terms of prayer anywhere it could go along the lines of "if you wish, please join us in a prayer" if I don't wish to then I don't.
I do believe in things like same sex marriage and LGBT tolerance but I also think religious people do get shafted a little too often, it being easier to simply give them the boot then get along.
And that's sad.

[Ezra]

Yeah home schooling, as I said, the people who wanted LGBT acceptance and what not are the majority, you can't rule a majority of people with a minority idea.
I do agree there needs to be a harmonious medium, or at least an effort, no one wants to let the other side exist, personally while I don't think religion should be forced on anyone, I certainly think the option should be there, I mean religion is important to many people, as LGBT acceptance is important to me, and I personally have no desire to see religion expunged, I want to see harmony between the two, acceptance on both sides because neither side has any for eachother.
In terms of prayer anywhere it could go along the lines of "if you wish, please join us in a prayer" if I don't wish to then I don't.
I do believe in things like same sex marriage and LGBT tolerance but I also think religious people do get shafted a little too often, it being easier to simply give them the boot then get along.
And that's sad.

Your wrong there. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
A minority can easily get what they want. All it takes is for the majority to do nothing.
Or in other words. To remain silent or complacent. Not raise there voice. To be "tolerant". Which is exactly what has happend.

[Sirocco]

The majority hasn't done nothing, clearly they've been doing something as what was isn't anymore.