Hans Verlan Anderson

[WhisperFox]

A grand-daughter of Han Verlan Anderson just gave me the following and told me to feel free to post them on my web site.

1-Great and Abominable Church of the Devil
2-Many are Called but Few are Chosen
3-Moral Basis of a Free Society
4-Proper and Improper Role of Govt
5-Book of Mormon and the Constitution

I have each in a .pdf and a .doc format.

Let me know if you can use them.

I'll post them and the links as soon as I get a free minute.

WhisperFox

[Chip]

Awesome!

[ChelC]

I would like to read all of them.

I've already read Many are Called, but none of the others.

Thanks!

[ShawnC]

A grand-daughter of Han Verlan Anderson just gave me the following and told me to feel free to post them on my web site.

1-Great and Abominable Church of the Devil
2-Many are Called but Few are Chosen
3-Moral Basis of a Free Society
4-Proper and Improper Role of Govt
5-Book of Mormon and the Constitution

I have each in a .pdf and a .doc format.

Let me know if you can use them.

I'll post them and the links as soon as I get a free minute.

WhisperFox

Sent you a PM requesting them please. Thank you.

[Darren]

WisperFox,

Yes I want a copy of these books.

I have spoken to Hans several times in the past, he told me that after the Church asked him to stop publishing his father's books and his books based on his father's contacts with President Benson eventually he would sell out the old stock of the printed books. He told me that when he ran out of the printed books he planned to just let the digital copies out and not care when and where they got spread, far and wide in the digital format. Apparently you have come across the digital copies he mentioned.

I'm going to share my copies from you under this understanding I have with him.

I will PM you my email.

Thank you!

Darren

[Darren]

A reply to a PM that I want to make public.

I was at that presentation in the fall of 2006 on "The Book of Mormon and the Constitution" that Brian organized at the Salt Lake Community College.

About a month or so after that presentation while working down in Provo I went over to Hans’ home and we chatted for a couple of hours and we exchanged books, he is also a good friend of my other good friend Bruce Wydner, and Hans and I talked about that common friendship.

Hans told me that the Church asked him to quit printing his books, but without a reason why. I mentioned to him that I believed it may be because the Church is trying to trim back their message to focus mainly on gospel basics, for better penetration across the world. A good example of that is the part of the Temple Endowment that was removed in 1990, the scene that included the Preacher. And I know why that was deleted. Hans said he was not told why and he didn’t ask either. He was told that it came from the top, and the request was delivered to him through his local leaders.

Hans has been obedient to that request, he stopped printing copies of his books and has no plans to publish further any additional books. He also told me that eventually, sometime after the remaining stock of his printed books were all sold he would let out freely, to his friends, the digital copies of the books. And when that happened he would not care who or were those copies were sent to.

I believe that the Church has taken a position that it does not want to defend itself from associated attacks or promote doctrines that are not part of the current efforts of the Church. In a situation like Hans’ where he is publishing conversations/corrispondance between his father H. Verlan Anderson (called to the 70) and President Benson on subjects such as that of distrust of government and secret combinations, the status of the Church in showing any affiliation to these teachings could put in jeopardy the Church's 501 3(c) status regulated under US Government oversight, or for that matter similar tax free status in other countries. The Church is trying to pick its battles.

Hans told me that he knows the importance and value of the information in those books, and hopes the information is spread far and wide. It just can’t be something he benefits from any more.

I tried to call Hans’ today, got his answering machine. I plan to chat with him soon about these things. I’ll let you now what he says.

Darren

[John Adams]

I too would like copies.

Thanks.

[WhisperFox]

Here's a link to the .pdf versions. You might want to save them asap as I have no idea how long they will be available here.

http://www.redhotlogo.com/freedomfiles.htm

Keith

[DOZ]

Here's a link to the .pdf versions. You might want to save them asap as I have no idea how long they will be available here.

http://www.redhotlogo.com/freedomfiles.htm

Keith

I cant open these ones ...can you help me?!?!

Moral Quiz Elder H. Verlan Andersen

America’s Future quotes from BofM and latter-day prophets

Many Are Called, But Few Are Chosen Elder H. Verlan Andersen

Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet President Ezra Taft Benson

Communism/United Order Elder Marion G. Romney

Pace Fireside notes Elder George W. Pace

Angel of the Prairie Parley P. Pratt

Signs of the Times Graphs

[John Adams]

The .pdf file download fine, but the other files seem to be linked to a "C" drive vs. being up on a web server.

[Army Of Truth]

Thanks for those pdf files, WhisperFox. I've read them all and they are among my favorites that I highly recommend to all. It is good to have them in pdf to search certain quotes and topics.

[WhisperFox]

A few have asked me in private emails about the church's request of Hans, Reed Benson and others not to publish these works any longer. I have discussed this with some of the copyright holders including Hans and here is my personal take on it. I am not a close friend of Hans Jr. I know some of his extended family well. I did call him a couple of times personally when these changes happened and discussed it with him. I doubt he would even remember me as I'm sure many did just as I did.

1-The brethren have been careful not to explain why they have made the request. I think this leaves us to ponder and pray to receive a personal answer to the seeming irregularity. "has the doctrine changed", "fallen prophets", "prophets leading the church astray". It leaves the door open for us to ask questions. I can tell you that is was definitely a test for me and others when this happened. Those who received the same answer as I did after the process seem stronger than ever in the gospel and the church while others that received a different answer are now either inactive or spend a great deal of time pointing out the faults of the current leadership of the church.

According to Hans Jr., before their deaths, Hans Verlan Anderson and Ezra Taft Benson made comments in their private correspondence that the time was past when we could save the nation. I don't have copies of that correspondence, but Hans Jr. assures me he does. If that is true, then the doctrine didn't change, just the required actions of the readers.

Remember, this is just my personal opinion.

The books were written to gets the members off their collective butts to do something. For the most part, it didn't happen. Each of us has to determine when the point of no return was passed or when it will pass, but at that point it wouldn't make sense to keep fighting the battle the same way we were when a frontal assault could have gained us the victory. From the point that it is too late, I would expect the focus of the leaders to be cleansing the inner vessel and preparing for the Lords penalty phase for our people (LDS) and the nation.

I think many well meaning patriots are refusing to take their new marching orders because they are dedicated to fighting the battle. In the past their actions were extremely noble. They still are, but the soldiers have to be willing to follow when the leaders have a new battle plan. Some get so caught up in the battle that they refuse to regroup and take new orders if it doesn't include fighting the same way as was right before.

We are told that the nation will fall. It isn't a matter of if, it is a matter of when. Refusing to accept that doesn't change the way things will happen.

The Lord is leading his prophets. Those that have read the writings of J. Ruben Clark know that he was more informed about the secret combinations than any other prophet, including ETB. The Lord prepares the prophets for their callings. President Monson's first responsibilities as an assistant to the twelve was to assist and edit the works of J. Ruben Clark, preparing them for publishing. He was Clark's personal assistant.

Of all the men on earth right now, President Monson has probably the clearest view of the treasonous actions of our national leaders, the actions (or lack thereof) of the general priesthood, and current events. That is discounting and leaving out his his role of receiving revelation from the Lord. I am comfortable, that even if his counsels do not square with my personal views, he has a larger view than I have.

Does that mean I follow him blindly. Never. It does mean that if he says something that doesn't square with my personal opinion, my first inclination is to find out where I have been mis-informed, not to prove why he is wrong. I then take the time to get a personal revelation confirming the new paradigm for me. I've finally gotten used to the idea that my paradigm isn't correct.

Just the personal ramblings of an old fart, but thanks for reading.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

A few have asked me in private emails about the church's request of Hans, Reed Benson and others not to publish these works any longer. I have discussed this with some of the copyright holders including Hans and here is my personal take on it. I am not a close friend of Hans Jr. I know some of his extended family well. I did call him a couple of times personally when these changes happened and discussed it with him. I doubt he would even remember me as I'm sure many did just as I did.

1-The brethren have been careful not to explain why they have made the request. I think this leaves us to ponder and pray to receive a personal answer to the seeming irregularity. "has the doctrine changed", "fallen prophets", "prophets leading the church astray". It leaves the door open for us to ask questions. I can tell you that is was definitely a test for me and others when this happened. Those who received the same answer as I did after the process seem stronger than ever in the gospel and the church while others that received a different answer are now either inactive or spend a great deal of time pointing out the faults of the current leadership of the church.

According to Hans Jr., before their deaths, Hans Verlan Anderson and Ezra Taft Benson made comments in their private correspondence that the time was past when we could save the nation. I don't have copies of that correspondence, but Hans Jr. assures me he does. If that is true, then the doctrine didn't change, just the required actions of the readers.

Remember, this is just my personal opinion.

The books were written to gets the members off their collective butts to do something. For the most part, it didn't happen. Each of us has to determine when the point of no return was passed or when it will pass, but at that point it wouldn't make sense to keep fighting the battle the same way we were when a frontal assault could have gained us the victory. From the point that it is too late, I would expect the focus of the leaders to be cleansing the inner vessel and preparing for the Lords penalty phase for our people (LDS) and the nation.

I think many well meaning patriots are refusing to take their new marching orders because they are dedicated to fighting the battle. In the past their actions were extremely noble. They still are, but the soldiers have to be willing to follow when the leaders have a new battle plan. Some get so caught up in the battle that they refuse to regroup and take new orders if it doesn't include fighting the same way as was right before.

We are told that the nation will fall. It isn't a matter of if, it is a matter of when. Refusing to accept that doesn't change the way things will happen.

The Lord is leading his prophets. Those that have read the writings of J. Ruben Clark know that he was more informed about the secret combinations than any other prophet, including ETB. The Lord prepares the prophets for their callings. President Monson's first responsibilities as an assistant to the twelve was to assist and edit the works of J. Ruben Clark, preparing them for publishing. He was Clark's personal assistant.

Of all the men on earth right now, President Monson has probably the clearest view of the treasonous actions of our national leaders, the actions (or lack thereof) of the general priesthood, and current events. That is discounting and leaving out his his role of receiving revelation from the Lord. I am comfortable, that even if his counsels do not square with my personal views, he has a larger view than I have.

Does that mean I follow him blindly. Never. It does mean that if he says something that doesn't square with my personal opinion, my first inclination is to find out where I have been mis-informed, not to prove why he is wrong. I then take the time to get a personal revelation confirming the new paradigm for me. I've finally gotten used to the idea that my paradigm isn't correct.

Just the personal ramblings of an old fart, but thanks for reading.

Have you posted these phrases somewhere else? I think I have read this word for word before.....

[Mark]

You are hitting upon something that I have thought a lot about at times Whisperfox. I appreciate your thoughts Bro. I know a bunch of folks who mistakenly really struggle at times with the direction of counsel we receive from the prophets of today because it doesn't always focus much attention on what prophets of prior administrations have emphasized. Being an old fart like you I know Pres. McKay was very involved in warnings about the evils of communism and socialism and constitutional issues. So was Pres. Benson. I have felt strongly that prophets are seers and they have vision of the future state of society. Therefore they will warn in their day what they see ahead for our day. Those prophets in our day in turn can see whats ahead for our children and grandchildren of future generations. Therefore they will emphasize certain principles that can help to lessen the blow so to speak for consequences facing these generations. That does not make todays prophets any less relevent than were yesterdays prophets who had warned of our day. They just follow a mandate from the Lord to use their special gifts as seers and become watchmen on the towers for the next generation. It must be a tremendous burden on these prophets to see future societal breakdown as they do not follow the past counsels. Therefore Pres. Monson may not be saying or emphasizing what Pres. McKay did because He is merely saying what will impact our children and their children ahead. This doesnt make Pres. Monson any less of a prophet. On the contrary it just fulfills his role as a seer. Just my .02 what little that is worth.

[lundbaek]

Even though our Scriptures seem clear enough, I haven't heard of read in recent years any further admonitons by Church leaders to the members or the Church to get involved in maintaining the Constitution for the rights and protection of all flesh, that we should suffer not that murderous combinations shall get above us, nor even to awaken to a sense of our awful situation. Does that mean that we have no obligation or responsibility to ignore these admonitions, or that we should, as some members apparently (and reportedly) believe, assume they are no longer applicable?

[BroJones]

Lundbaek: "Even though our Scriptures seem clear enough, I haven't heard of read in recent years any further admonitons by Church leaders to the members or the Church to get involved in maintaining the Constitution for the rights and protection of all flesh, that we should suffer not that murderous combinations shall get above us, nor even to awaken to a sense of our awful situation."

You mean -- except for the quoting of Ether 8 (these very words you listed) by Pres. Packer at BYU Jan. 2007 -- and his statement that Moroni therein refers to "us in our generation."
(Discussed in another thread rather thoroughly IMO...)

[lundbaek]

Oops, I should have been more careful and said I have heard very little admonition.... And I note that those few statements by Elder Packer that have made their way to our attention were not made to the members of the Church in general, but only to certain small groups. I'm not aware of any other peep on the subject since President Benson in April 1988 that might by used to convince some bishop or stake president that it's OK to mention secret combinations, our "awful situation", and the US Constitution in any church class or meeting. I think the muzzle is still in place, while the admonitions/commandments still stand. As far as I have heard, the muzzle on these subjects is enforced only by certain leaders, not by all.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for shouting these admonitions from the roof tops and awakening LDSs especially to the awful situation our past negligence has gotten us into.

I guess what is provoking me is the suggestions that we as individuals should leave these subjects alone just because the First Presidency is not promoting them and these subjects are avoided in lesson plans.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

I think that the letter that I posted about previously, from President Hinckley, made it clear that the church still has the same position in regards to the Constitution and upholding it and defending it.

His other quotes about terrible wars and so on elude to the Secret Combinations in our day...

I do not think they are silent.

[jbalm]

The message is still there, just more subtly stated. I recall several instances of Pres. Hinckley issuing "Bensonesque" warnings. But they were couched in terms that only a studious LDS member would pick up on.

ETA: The emphasis has certainly shifted, however. Less "get out and fight" and more "buckle up, its going to be a bumpy ride."

[Army Of Truth]

ETA: The emphasis has certainly shifted, however. Less "get out and fight" and more "buckle up, its going to be a bumpy ride."

Well stated. Basically our time for action has passed and we, as LDS, failed the test miserably. We not only haven't awaken others, we haven't awaken ourselves! So now our current prophets (in feeding us only to our level of spirituality as has always been the case) are basically saying "get prepared; the judgments are coming soon..."

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

46 And what I say unto one, I say unto all men; watch, therefore, for you know not at what hour your Lord doth come.

47 But know this, if the good man of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to have been broken up, but would have been ready.

48 Therefore be ye also ready, for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh.

49 Who, then, is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

50 Blessed is that servant whom his lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing; and verily I say unto you, he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

[mirkwood]

Thanks WF got them downloaded.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

I requested copies, but have not gotten them?

[WhisperFox]

I requested copies, but have not gotten them?

I posted this above. Perhaps you missed it.

Here's a link to the .pdf versions. You might want to save them asap as I have no idea how long they will be available here.

http://www.redhotlogo.com/freedomfiles.htm

Keith

[WhisperFox]

I guess what is provoking me is the suggestions that we as individuals should leave these subjects alone just because the First Presidency is not promoting them and these subjects are avoided in lesson plans.

I hope you don't consider me one that believes there is nothing left for us to do. There are things we can do, but I believe they are different than what we were called to do 30 years ago.

I do have to admit, my actions are based on what I believe the current prophets are asking us/me to do. I do believe the time is past when we can save the nation.

As an example, if we had taken care of the illegal immigration issue 30 years ago, there were clear right and wrong actions we could have taken. Now we have allowed the Latter-day Gaddiantons to create a situation where there is no right way out, only varying degrees of wrong. We have allowed them to lull us into a situation where they win and benefit regardless of which of the obvious choices we choose. Our latter-day prophets have made statements that ask us to use compassion in our decisions. To me that infers that they are all wrong and the level of compassion we use is the level we will receive on ourselves later on.