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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:42 pm

Flagg, and Mitt Romney hasn't been victimized In the liberal media and Flagg, especially on this site, a lot of them by you Flagg?? C'mon buddy! Before you make ridicules accusations take a long look at your own posts!

Paul lost, Mitt Romney won, like it or not, you'll have to learn to live with the facts! Isn't it about time?

Political losers almost always start screaming accusations about voter fraud, it's all they have left---Just more noise!

If Romney had lost I wouldn't spend time crying the blues, it's time to move on Flagg!

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Postby Col. Flagg » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:44 pm

bobhenstra wrote:Flagg, and Mitt Romney hasn't been victimized In the liberal media and Flagg, especially on this site, a lot of them by you Flagg?? C'mon buddy! Before you make ridicules accusations take a long look at your own posts!

Paul lost, Mitt Romney won, like it or not, you'll have to learn to live with the facts! Isn't it about time?

Political losers almost always start screaming accusations about voter fraud, it's all they have left---Just more noise!

Bob

You're comparing what the media has done to Ron with what they've done to Mitt??? #-o I'll ask you again Bob... why has the mainstream media and DC establishment done its best to alienate Ron?
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:49 pm

I dunno, and Flagg, I don't care! I'll waste no more time worrying about losers!
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby John5 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:49 am

bobhenstra wrote:And you are a phony republican OI! You had no intention of voting for the republican nominee, and you also knew Paul had no chance! All that doesn't make me the liar OI! I'm voting for the republican nominee, and have said that from day one!

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Col. Flagg » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:52 am

bobhenstra wrote:I dunno, and Flagg, I don't care! I'll waste no more time worrying about losers!

Bob, by your definition and judgment of high-profile individuals, Christ was also a loser. :ymblushing:
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby natasha » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:05 pm

Did Christ run for office???
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Col. Flagg » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:09 pm

natasha wrote:Did Christ run for office???

Nope, but he was certainly 'high profile' in society and despised by many around him, primarily for challenging the money-changers. Had he run for office, I'm sure it would have been an exercise in futility (like it has been for Ron) because of the threat posed to the powers that be.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby natasha » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:14 pm

Sorry, Col....nothing but "sour grapes" from you.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:19 pm

Christ is already King! No need to run. Mitt is this country's last chance, continual crying about losing serves no purpose!

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby natasha » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:23 pm

Thanks, Bob....how appropriate....of course He is already King....you're quicker on the draw than I am. There is no doubt in my mind that many who have tried to destroy Mitt Romney's character will be found wishing they hadn't.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Col. Flagg » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:44 pm

natasha wrote:Sorry, Col....nothing but "sour grapes" from you.

Sorry, but I can get cranky (like Bob ;) ) when there are powers working against the people of this country who have been bought off who support big money interests who also either don't care about or are ignorant to the most divinely inspired document ever created for a nation.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Col. Flagg » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:47 pm

bobhenstra wrote:Mitt is this country's last chance...

We have a candidate for the most bone-headed comment of the week. :ymblushing: If true Bob, we may as well throw in the towel now.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Col. Flagg » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:48 pm

natasha wrote:Thanks, Bob....how appropriate....of course He is already King....you're quicker on the draw than I am. There is no doubt in my mind that many who have tried to destroy Mitt Romney's character will be found wishing they hadn't.

What character? His flip-flopping or disdain/ignorance for the Constitution?
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:01 pm

Col. Flagg wrote:
bobhenstra wrote:Mitt is this country's last chance...

We have a candidate for the most bone-headed comment of the week. :ymblushing: If true Bob, we may as well throw in the towel now.


Towel?? You'll never throw in your crying towel Flagg! My spy in the hospital reports you lie on the floor in the fetal position hugging your towel crying--- ;) I thought he was kidding ;) ;) ;) But the tone of your posts, well heck---hadn't better say more :ymhug: :ymhug:

I have faith in the Holy Priesthood!

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby liberty_belle » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:54 pm

natasha wrote: There is no doubt in my mind that many who have tried to destroy Mitt Romney's character will be found wishing they hadn't.


Mitt's character has been created by his own doing, not because people lie about him. I will not regret one moment that I work to shed light on the kind of campaign and people he hired to help him. It is because he ran for president and making deals all along the way to insure that nomination that brings his character into focus. That was his choice. I take great satisfaction in knowing if in the end he still comes out as the Nominee, it was not because the honest in heart didn't try to stop him and stood up to him. I have nothing to hang my head about or to hide in shame....quite the opposite I assure you.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby liberty_belle » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:21 pm

http://www.gq.com/news-politics/blogs/death-race/2012/07/whos-afraid-of-these-ron-paul-delegates.html#ixzz20Kf75Kqz

ON JULY 11, 2012 AT 9:52 AM
Who's Afraid of These Ron Paul Delegates? (Mitt Romney, Evidently.)
BY REID CHERLIN


Ed Rombach is a pretty normal guy. He lives in a modest shingled house in Marblehead, Massachusetts, where his Pekingese, Zoe, has the run of his small front yard. His girls are grown. His Subaru wagon is immaculate, save for two sand-flecked beach chairs in the back, where he suggested I drop my pack. "We're beach people," he told me on Monday as he opened the passenger door for me. Rombach is a Ron Paul supporter, a big one. But there was no Gadsden Flag flying in his yard, no sidearm worn in protest, and no stack of conspiracy theorist literature on the back seat of his car. In fact, the only thing at all on the back seat was a pristine white straw hat—a prop, as he called it, for the Republican National Convention in Tampa. If only the Romney campaign would let him go.

In April, Rombach and dozens of other Paul supporters ran for delegate at Massachusetts's state-level caucuses, the gatherings where party faithful select the actual individuals who will travel to the national convention in August to represent the Bay State and officially choose a nominee. The Massachusetts primary was not close: home-state darling Mitt Romney pulled in 72 percent, while Ron Paul finished third with 10 percent. Because Romney was the only candidate to earn more than 15 percent of the vote, he gets all of the state's delegates. But as enterprising Paul supporters in several states have discovered, that doesn't mean that Paulites can't run for—and win—those slots, so long as they pledge to vote for Romney on the first ballot. Rombach and his cohorts formed what they called the Liberty Slate, and wouldn't you know it, they won 35 of the state's 54 openings. In many cases they beat out party big shots like Kerry Healey, Romney's lieutenant governor and an advisor on his campaign. Each of the Paul delegates had pledged to uphold the rules and vote for Romney on the first ballot.

All good, right? Americans getting involved in the process and following the rules to enliven and strengthen our democracy? Yes?

No. Several weeks after the caucuses, all of the winning Liberty Slate delegates got letters in the mail from the state Republican party, demanding they sign an enclosed affidavit, swearing "under pain and penalty of perjury" to vote for Romney at the convention. Signed, notarized copies were to be returned to party headquarters by a date and time certain. The Paulites didn't like the smell of this: Mass GOP had never required an affidavit before, nor had anyone mentioned one at the caucuses. And the wording of the document seemed overly severe. What if Romney for some reason were to drop out before August? Would the Liberty Delegates then be perjuring themselves by voting for someone else? They long ago accepted that Ron Paul won't be president—Rombach actually used those words with me— and their goals for Tampa were more modest. They wanted to contribute to the visibility of the Paul minority and support the addition of platform planks concerning Paul's top issues, the Fed and undeclared wars. The affidavit exercise seemed beside the point.

In the end, most of them decided to return instead a "Liberty Affirmation," making the same pledge but without Romney's name in it. Some returned both versions. Some were late with the delivery. In June, 17 of the 35 Liberty Delegates, including an 18-year-old who'd edged out two former gubernatorial candidates for his spot, were informed by mail that they were being tossed. No going to Tampa. No being part of the process. No further explanation. Going in their place were the next-highest vote-getters—including Kerry Healey and others from the establishment crowd.

"After going through this much, and winning, I feel like I deserve to go to the convention," Rombach said simply as he shifted lanes on Route 1A. I'd seen a letter from Rombach in the Marblehead Reporter while visiting family in town; a day later I was riding shotgun as he made the hour's drive to Boston for a Liberty Slate demonstration outside Romney headquarters. The campaign had invited the accepted Massachusetts delegates for an evening briefing, and the 17 bounced Paulites had decided to stand outside and make their presence known. Respectfully. Several had already gathered when we arrived, loitering in the parking lot underneath the expressionless concrete megalith that holds the Romney offices. There were some libertarian-looking male ponytails in evidence, but these were not the desert wraiths and paranoid homesteaders I'd seen at Paul events in Nevada, nor the wild-eyed horsemen who'd clattered through New Hampshire. They smiled and laughed and spoke to each other quietly, more tea party than Tea Party. Pulling on matching white t-shirts, they politely handed out brochures to delegates entering the building. Stephanie Hamilton, a blonde auditor from Saugus, found herself offering a pamphlet to State Representative Donald Wong, a wealthy restaurateur from her hometown who'd just rolled up in a black Cadillac. Rep. Wong is her replacement for the trip to Tampa. "I tried to explain to him who I was," Hamilton said, laughing tentatively.

When I asked the Romney campaign why the 17 delegates had been rejected, they referred me to the Massachusetts Republican Party. But the party, in a statement from the Allocation Committee chairman, says it was the Romney campaign's decision to bounce the 17 Paul supporters:

"Governor Romney's campaign, through its representative on the Allocation Committee, made the decision not to certify certain delegates and alternate delegates who were unwilling to sign and return on time the affidavit sent out by the Allocation Committee affirming that they would cast their vote for Governor Romney at the National Convention in Tampa," the statement reads. It concludes with the committee's agreement that the dispute over affidavits constituted "'just cause' for not being certified as national delegates."

The state party spokesman would not address the fact that the affidavit requirement had come out of nowhere, and weeks late. Nor would he explain, on the record, how the decision been made to force those 35 delegates, already pledged to Romney, to make yet another commitment. The most I could glean was some dark hinting about the Liberty delegates' online histories—Facebook and blog posts—as proof that they couldn't be trusted to vote for Romney, despite their verbal pledge at the caucuses. I didn't find much, but I also didn't look very hard. After all, it's hard to imagine a comment that should be disqualifying, short of a counter-pledge not to support Romney, or a death threat. (Not that this has been so much fun for the Mass GOP brass, either. "People have called me 'Hitler' and 'Nazi,'" one exasperated party official told me. Others, he said, have endured harassment in the parking lot and all-hours phone calls.) The Romney campaign, for its part, refused to respond at all.

All of us who follow politics accept that the national conventions are a little bit dirty. They're occasions for favor-trading and donor-stroking and choreographed tributes to the candidates. No doubt the Romney campaign would like the to avoid the embarrassment of any Ron Paul flare-ups at the big show. And I'm sure they wanted Romney's pals from Massachusetts to be able to join him there. But shouldn't the guys who won these no-glamour contests at least be allowed to go? Doesn't the 18-year-old who's participating in the process for the first time deserve a better explanation? After all, in 2008 Hillary Clinton didn't release her delegates until she was standing onstage at the Democratic National Convention, and even then PUMAs in the crowd were demanding a roll-call vote for the nomination.

"You learn that when you care about something, you have to be a part of it," a Liberty Slater named Alex told me, looking up at Romney headquarters as the sun began to set. "But just when you get involved, you learn that there's an inner circle. There's always an inner circle." Ed Rombach donned his Tampa hat and sat down on a fencepost to wait for an answer.

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby liberty_belle » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:28 am

On August 6th, Judge Carter will hear the "Motion to Dismiss" filed by the RNC.

Here is a video by our lawyer, Richard Gilbert

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby sbsion » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:12 pm

what donstitutes winning?, and whoes we?..btw, we already have a priesthood holder controlling the senate, ie Reid..hmmmm
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby liberty_belle » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:34 pm

Winning is the Lawsuit against the RNC who has been forcing delegates to sign affidavits of support to Romney, even those who dont have to. if they dont they have been being kicked out.

The Federal law clearly states that no delegate can be bound by a unity rule. Therefore every delegate is allowed to go into a convention and vote their conscience on the first round, that is what the lawsuit is about.

However, with everything that has happened at conventions that is illegal with "nod and wink" of Romney, it has become a crime syndicate under RICO Laws.

In AZ the Republicans who have been elected to do uphold the law are capitulating because they do not want to go against the party. Even though they have been shown the laws, they are being cowards.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:10 pm

Ah shucks!
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby cayenne » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:51 pm

Haha bob u say u don't vote for losers etc..... ah, Romney will loose to Obama. So as u make fun of col for voting for your so called loser in Paul, how fun it will be to pick fun at all the Romney voters who will be losers too. The only enjoyment I will get from Obama winning is so I can rub it in to all the Romney losers who made fun of the ppl who voted for Paul
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:11 pm

cayenne wrote:Haha bob u say u don't vote for losers etc..... ah, Romney will loose to Obama. So as u make fun of col for voting for your so called loser in Paul, how fun it will be to pick fun at all the Romney voters who will be losers too. The only enjoyment I will get from Obama winning is so I can rub it in to all the Romney losers who made fun of the ppl who voted for Paul


Shoot man, all you Paul supporters have been secretly supporting Obama all along! Not a single one of you planned on voting for the Republican nominee unless it was your Libertarian Ron Paul. Your kidding no one!
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby liberty_belle » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:28 pm

The issue really is, if Romney is so good and honest, why has he allowed his campaign to violate the laws? This is the question that everyone should be asking.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:45 pm

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It's Ron Paul who's committing the outright theft of delegates slots he didn't earn!
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:18 pm

I watched with amusement last evening Mitt Romney being greeted with very large Ron Paul signs when he arrived in Poland. Ron Paul apparently has a large following in Poland, he should go there and run for president. Perhaps he could win there--- :ymhug: And, all you Ron Paul supporters could go--with----him! :)) =)) :)) =)) =))
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Col. Flagg » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:28 pm

bobhenstra wrote:I watched with amusement last evening Mitt Romney being greeted with very large Ron Paul signs when he arrived in Poland. Ron Paul apparently has a large following in Poland, he should go there and run for president. Perhaps he could win there--- :ymhug: And, all you Ron Paul supporters could go--with----him! :)) =)) :)) =)) =))

Just goes to show how ignorant most American voters are and that the Polish people 'get it' more than we do. :ymblushing: :ymblushing: :ymblushing: :ymapplause:
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:43 pm

Flagg, imagration to Poland isn't impossible, just think how much money you could make with your skills in that country! Let us know when, Nat and I will be more than pleased to be at your sendoff! ;)
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby AussieAmerican » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:10 pm

I do not understand this continual back and forth between Mitt Romney and Ron Paul. Surely as Latter-Day Saints who value the Book of Mormon we realize that neither of them have plans to return this country to God. While I very much support a return to the Constitution that God originally gave us, there is little or no direction in returning this nation to God. Without a return to God and his values it really doesn't matter who is President, this country will continue in decline.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:58 pm

AussieAmerican wrote:I do not understand this continual back and forth between Mitt Romney and Ron Paul. Surely as Latter-Day Saints who value the Book of Mormon we realize that neither of them have plans to return this country to God. While I very much support a return to the Constitution that God originally gave us, there is little or no direction in returning this nation to God. Without a return to God and his values it really doesn't matter who is President, this country will continue in decline.


What we have here is simple to explain, poor losers and humble winners----

Bob :)
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby AussieOi » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:48 am

bobhenstra wrote:I dunno, and Flagg, I don't care! I'll waste no more time worrying about losers!



whats that hat and coat in your avatar all about Bob?
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