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Its out of my hands now!

Postby liberty_belle » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:42 pm

What a month it has been! Exactly a month ago today, State Delegates from AZ gathered to our GOP Convention expecting unbiased and fair treatment, only to find ourselves in the middle of an outright attempt to bar anyone from being a National Delegate who did not make the *Romney for President Endorsement. That included Republicans who actually were in support of Romney but apparently did not make the cut in the Romney Campaigns eyes. So instead of allowing the delegates to decide that, concessions by the AZ GOP were made for Romney that gave his endorsed delegates a leg up....among other things.

The Delegates of this state, worked together to 1. file a lawsuit to define our voting rights now and in the future. 2. A complaint filed with the Attorney General/Secretary of State and the Election Recorder's Office in AZ to do a thorough investigation on the criminal acts of the AZ GOP that stripped all delegates of their voting rights, yes that includes the Romney Delegates as well.

Here is an article talking about the lawsuit

http://www.examiner.com/article/paul-grassroots-group-files-civil-suit-against-gop

here is a youtube clip of part of the filings today at the AG's office

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No5Cb7flPYY&feature=youtu.be


As you can hear, the attorney will take it, but cant guarentee that anything will be done about it. Of Course, that would mean that the GOP will look really bad and all of their jobs would be on the line if it is found that they were all in on it. So we shall see. However, we will continue to speak out until we are heard

I am going to go take a nap, now!
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:02 pm

Lol, hope you guys are filthy rich, I hear the GOP leadership are each filing a counter defamation of character lawsuit. They're charging you paulistas with causing the problems, false representation, claiming to be republicans when in fact your libertarians!

I'll be interested in your--uh case---

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby AGStacker » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:11 pm

Go back to bed Bob. You'll see who the true patriots are in the end.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:17 pm

AGStacker wrote:Go back to bed Bob. You'll see who the true patriots are in the end.


Lol, already know Bud, and it ain't those of you who are openly lying about your political preferences!
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Original_Intent » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:24 pm

You neocons are the ones that infiltrated and stole the GOP bob - we constitutional conservatives are just taking it back.

I love how you feel qualified to determine who is and who is not a real Republican. You are nothing but a party loyalist who would sign on to anything and everything that THE PARTY told you to.

Wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross of gold, war-mongering, and just another BIG GOVERNMENT party. That's not the roots of Republicanism, but you will never see it. You are such an establishment hack, bobby.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Juliette » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:49 pm

bobhenstra wrote:Lol, hope you guys are filthy rich, I hear the GOP leadership are each filing a counter defamation of character lawsuit. They're charging you paulistas with causing the problems, false representation, claiming to be republicans when in fact your libertarians!

I'll be interested in your--uh case---

Bob


So-called case? :ymsmug:
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:00 pm

And you are a phony republican OI! You had no intention of voting for the republican nominee, and you also knew Paul had no chance! All that doesn't make me the liar OI! I'm voting for the republican nominee, and have said that from day one!

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby AGStacker » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:12 pm

bobhenstra wrote:And you are a phony republican OI! You had no intention of voting for the republican nominee, and you also knew Paul had no chance! All that doesn't make me the liar OI! I'm voting for the republican nominee, and have said that from day one!

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So what does that say to you Bob if Paul people knew he didn't have a chance? It says they are principled!

With your logic Bob you'd vote for Lucifer if he was the Republican nominee.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Juliette » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:19 pm

AGStacker wrote:
bobhenstra wrote:And you are a phony republican OI! You had no intention of voting for the republican nominee, and you also knew Paul had no chance! All that doesn't make me the liar OI! I'm voting for the republican nominee, and have said that from day one!

Bob


So what does that say to you Bob if Paul people knew he didn't have a chance? It says they are principled!

With your logic Bob you'd vote for Lucifer if he was the Republican nominee.


Obviously Bob didn't vote for Lucifer and never would. Weak argument.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby AGStacker » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:31 pm

Juliette, he is essentially saying he'd vote for the Republican nominee no matter who it might be!
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Juliette » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:36 pm

AGStacker wrote:Juliette, he is essentially saying he'd vote for the Republican nominee no matter who it might be!



AG, thats not how I see it. He is voting for who he believes is the best man and has the chance to defeat Obama.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby liberty_belle » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:33 pm

bobhenstra wrote:Lol, hope you guys are filthy rich, I hear the GOP leadership are each filing a counter defamation of character lawsuit. They're charging you paulistas with causing the problems, false representation, claiming to be republicans when in fact your libertarians!

I'll be interested in your--uh case---

Bob


LOL, Bob. Character defamation? You dont even know what the lawsuit is about. Its about having the Federal Court define which law the delegates are to follow...the law that says that all people are individual and cannot be bullied into voting unity or if the states have the right to bind delegates. Since we are not asking for damages, there is nothing to counter sue for...lol. As far as the state goes, we are asking our Attorney General and others to do their jobs and investigate whether or not a crime has been committed. With 53 affidavits that were turned in today, and another 40 or so by the end of the week and growing, I would think that they would have an obligation to look at the evidence, which is damning, to say the least, and pursue a criminal case.

So, I would like to see the evidence that they have a counter suit based on what I just said.

You said you would not believe me if I did not do something legally, we have. Is that not good enough for you?

Its never enough, is it? Well, I am wore out from this whole experience, but at least I feel I have done my duty to expose what happened and hopefully we can have integrity in elections.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby liberty_belle » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:42 pm

Juliette wrote:
bobhenstra wrote:Lol, hope you guys are filthy rich, I hear the GOP leadership are each filing a counter defamation of character lawsuit. They're charging you paulistas with causing the problems, false representation, claiming to be republicans when in fact your libertarians!

I'll be interested in your--uh case---

Bob


So-called case? :ymsmug:


Isn't it a case if their has been one filed? Since there has been one file at least part of it, would that not qualify? Just curious
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:52 pm

AG, had Ron Paul won the contest, I would have voted for him! However, I figured he had no chance! When I started hearing about you paulistas causing mayhem in primary and caucus meetings, I knew it was over for him, a winner doesn't need to cause those kind of problems.

Belle's lawsuit will show the true colors of you paulistas! That's why I pushed Belle to work on filing a lawsuit, so the whole republican party could see who you guys really are, and what you really stand for! Your not republicans, you never were, and that fact will come out in court, when under oath, you'll be ask if your going to vote for the Republican nominee Mitt Romney. And Belle will be one of those witnesses placed under oath!

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby liberty_belle » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:14 am

bobhenstra wrote:AG, had Ron Paul won the contest, I would have voted for him! However, I figured he had no chance! When I started hearing about you paulistas causing mayhem in primary and caucus meetings, I knew it was over for him, a winner doesn't need to cause those kind of problems.

Belle's lawsuit will show the true colors of you paulistas! That's why I pushed Belle to work on filing a lawsuit, so the whole republican party could see who you guys really are, and what you really stand for! Your not republicans, you never were, and that fact will come out in court, when under oath, you'll be ask if your going to vote for the Republican nominee Mitt Romney. And Belle will be one of those witnesses placed under oath!

Bob


What on earth? You pushed me to get a lawsuit....yes, you certainly kept digging the knife saying that complaints were worthless without a legal lawsuit. However, dear Bob, I had already planned on filing with the AG.

However, I think what is more telling about you is that you openly admit you were trying to manipulate me into doing your evil bidding. :-o To set a trap to ensnare me that may have cost me a lot of money when you knew that I did not have it in the first place. What an evil thing to do Bob. You would willingly hurt one of your sisters to satisfy your own agenda? Wow! I dont like you, Bob I think you are a mean person, but I would never set a trap to try to hurt you in any way. You are typical of what we have been dealing with this last month. Wolves pretending to be Christian Sheep when in truth they lie in wait to deceive.

FYI: I am not afraid to be under oath. I have never lied about one thing that I saw or heard and I never will. I am actually happily anticipating to be under oath and swear by the God of Heaven about what these people did/ I hope and pray I get that day in court, that would mean that someone actually did their job and did an investigation. I am not ashamed of anything, but they should be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edD3LlBh6-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d76BzfKnWdk&feature=channel&list=UL

Listen very carefully to our Chairman Tom Morrissey answer questions from a man names Mark Zemmel. A well-known Ron Paul hater, Romney supporting official...but listen to him hammer at Tom for his corruption at the Convention.

So, if you think for one second that I am afraid, you are kidding yourself.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:42 am

Didn't say you were afraid Belle, said you'll have to testify under oath! I hoped you'd file a lawsuit, I don't like what you paulistas are trying to do to my party, and the only way I could get you phonies out in the open was if a lawsuit was filed. You did so, and I'm grateful!

Thank you!


Lying about who you really are is Christian Belle? Pointing out those lies, uncovering who you paulistas really are is wrong? I don't think so Belle, I think it's justice!

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby LateOutOfBed » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:54 am

Been a while since I posted... but read this link the other day and found it very... um... pertinent.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-%E2%80%98lesser-two-evils%E2%80%99-con-game

This article is well thought out, and accurate.

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Original_Intent » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:17 am

LateOutOfBed wrote:Been a while since I posted... but read this link the other day and found it very... um... pertinent.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-%E2%80%98lesser-two-evils%E2%80%99-con-game

This article is well thought out, and accurate.

-- Geoff


Incredible article!
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Kandeep » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:51 am

Question to Libertybelle... how did you become a delegate? I don't think I've ever known that. Just wondering.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Juliette » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:57 am

LateOutOfBed wrote:Been a while since I posted... but read this link the other day and found it very... um... pertinent.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-%E2%80%98lesser-two-evils%E2%80%99-con-game

This article is well thought out, and accurate.

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You got time out,right? LOL! Just kidding, I wondered where you were.
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Col. Flagg » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:52 am

bobhenstra wrote:And you are a phony republican OI! You had no intention of voting for the republican nominee, and you also knew Paul had no chance! All that doesn't make me the liar OI! I'm voting for the republican nominee, and have said that from day one!

Bob

You just proved OI's point and assertion Bob. :ymblushing:
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby liberty_belle » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:07 am

bobhenstra wrote:Didn't say you were afraid Belle, said you'll have to testify under oath! I hoped you'd file a lawsuit, I don't like what you paulistas are trying to do to my party, and the only way I could get you phonies out in the open was if a lawsuit was filed. You did so, and I'm grateful!

Thank you!


Lying about who you really are is Christian Belle? Pointing out those lies, uncovering who you paulistas really are is wrong? I don't think so Belle, I think it's justice!

Bob



How many times do we have to have this discussion? Are you so thick skulled that you can't get past the idea that I support Paul no matter which phony took the nomination? You said you would have supported him if he could have won? So, what makes you a better republican than me is that no matter if the person who got the nomination was someone who opposed you would support them anyway because they have an R next to their name? That is why we have the people in Congress that we do....McCain is no Republican yet he still get the wink and the nod because he has the R next to his name.

I did not know that being a good republican meant that you HAD to vote for the person that get's the nomination? If that is the qualification, then I guess I am a bad Republican because I will not be a sheeple.

If you want to discuss ideology, then I am republican and a better one that you, Bob. There are a lot of people jumping off board the Ron Paul Campaign and jumping overt to support Gary Johnson because of what happened with Rand, but I am not going to. I dont like Gary because he supports the right to abortion, Ron Paul does not believe that any woman has the right to kill her child.

There are other Libertarian views that I do not uphold, like open boarders. I think that is dangerous and wrong. I am all for inviting other countries to join in with us under our constitution but I dont believe that people should be allowed to wander where ever. I believe our immigration procedures need to be vastly improved, but we still need accountability of who comes and goes

So......Bob, in your mean and corrupt ways, you really don't have a leg to stand on when you call me a liar or that under oath I am going to be exposed for not being a true republican. From everything i can see I am a better one than you are. In fact, do you know how silly your thought process is.

Opening Argument"

Defense Attorney: "I will show the court that my clients, even though they did XX YY ZZ, did it to expose those people who are not true Republican's because they supported Ron Paul against our preferred nominee Mit Romney. Yes, it is true even from the beginning of Iowa there was vote rigging in order to steal the election from Ron Paul and the People, but my clients are innocent because they only did it to protect the Republican Party"

Defense Attorney: "Ms. D. is it true that you witnessed XX, YY ZZ"

Ms D: "Yes"

Defense Attorney: "Is it true that even if Mit Romney won the election by vote rigging in almost every state, that you would still vote your conscience and vote for Ron Paul?"

Ms D: "Yes!"

Defense Attorney: " Ah ha! So you are not a true Republican because you will not support the Nominee even if he got it by vote rigging!"

Ms D "Correct"

Closing Argument:

Defense Attorney: "My clients did in fact do XX YY ZZ but they did it to protect the interests of the Republican Party. We cannot have people thinking for themselves. We cannot uphold the Constitution if we are to survive. Ms. D is not a true Republican because she is awake and we need to expose these kinds of people and make laws to keep them out of the Republican Party. She is the one who is guilty! These "Paulites" would not lay down and take what the establishment gave them. They stood up for themselves, this makes THEM guilty, not my clients!"


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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby LateOutOfBed » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:28 am

Juliette wrote:
LateOutOfBed wrote:Been a while since I posted... but read this link the other day and found it very... um... pertinent.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-%E2%80%98lesser-two-evils%E2%80%99-con-game

This article is well thought out, and accurate.

-- Geoff


You got time out,right? LOL! Just kidding, I wondered where you were.


No, no time out... just off for real life pertinent things. 4 weeks of jury duty, scout camp, a short vacation, steroid injections in my back due to bulging discs. You know, every day routine junk that just happened to be a heck of a lot more important than posting and reading an online forum. :)

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:30 am

Sure hope that's the way you guys approach the lawsuit Belle, hope your lawyers are that dumb!

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Col. Flagg » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:32 am

This sort of reminds me of the Hegelian dialectic (problem - Bob, reaction - OI, solution - Ron Paul and the Constitution).
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:37 am

Flagg, hate to break this to you--but Flagg--PAUL LOST!

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby liberty_belle » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:55 am

bobhenstra wrote:Sure hope that's the way you guys approach the lawsuit Belle, hope your lawyers are that dumb!

Bob


Uh, we are not the defendant...so this argument is for the lame attorney of the Defendants :))
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Original_Intent » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:27 pm

Frank Herbert got it right!

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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby Col. Flagg » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:37 pm

bobhenstra wrote:Flagg, hate to break this to you--but Flagg--PAUL LOST!

Bob

You still think this is some sort of popularity contest don't you Bob?
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Re: Its out of my hands now!

Postby bobhenstra » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:11 pm

Flagg, the least popular candidate-----lost, not only lost but lost big time! Even though you, and your fellow followers of the least popular candidate, were cheating, attempting to steal delegate slots you didn't earn, very Christian of you!

Justice wins Flagg, justice wins! We all win because we're going to have a Priesthood holder in the office of the presidency of the United States of America. No matter how much you hate that fact Flagg, justice, prophecy and the Priesthood wins, we win!

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