Fear, Contention & the devil

[Legioncaptain of 1,000]

I've been studying and disseminating conspiracy history as I have come to know it of secret combinations for a couple decades now. An interest fostered by a history teacher in high school who also happened to be a JBS member who through his love of history and sharing of which has impacted my life.

I also had experiences as a young child with conspiracy. My father, as a police officer, was involved in an altercation with conspiracy among city leadership in a small Idaho town. The Chief of Police made some initial discoveries and when he confronted the Mayor and City Council they fired him. A number of police officers pledged to support him. Several police officers ended up breaking into city hall to obtain documentation on the fraudulent activities. The following morning city workers had a bonfire in the parking lot to destroy old records. Those police officers who supported the Chief of Police resigned. A short time later police officers broke into my parents home to obtain that documentation while those who sided with the Chief of Police were having a meeting to discuss strategy. My parents were followed by police officers to the meeting. When they returned they found the house a wreck. No forced entry - a key was used to enter the house (presumably obtained from the contractor who built the home - also with business connections to those involved). My father, along with brothers and fellow police officers (friends), sat up all that night with their guns waiting for a return. The evidence was gone though and their case shortly fell apart and they all went their separate ways.

Perhaps I was an odd child because later in life I watched the whole Iran/Contra affair on TV as a young lad. I surprised both my parents and a family friend who stopped by at my knowledge when discussing it with them. That family friend was a former FBI agent and whistle blower on some illegitimate activities he discovered within the agency. He spent what was left of his life on the move.

I read ravenously and studied out the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich while in 8th grade taking note of the methodology Hitler used to gain power. I'll get back to that in a minute.
http://gooshbe.de/upload/files/BOOKS/Sh ... many_-.pdf

During my time in the Marine Corps I gained exposure to conspiracy both on a unit basis and on a national/global basis. As a result of my security clearance I was given information that, to me, demonstrated conspiracy at a global level beyond what I had previously imagined.

Long story short I've been down the conspiracy rabbit hole. I've had a change in perceptions though lately and this viewpoint is related to that. I've always struggled with certain aspects of prominent conspiracy researchers/reporters. Little things that bugged me despite the general perception I had that they were hero's of the patriot movement. I'll use Alex Jones as an example since he is probably one of the most prominent.

I've greatly appreciated his reporting and movies. At one point not so long ago I had a monthly goal of giving away a DVD a week. The little thing that has bugged me relates to his attitude and what is often times perceived to be his solution. In the general sense this is the bullhorn shouting sessions...often towards a building with perhaps a security guard or other bottom of the food chain person (that can't do anything and represents nobody) in the picture. The highlights perhaps when he is yelling at passing cars with the Bilderberg meetings. If the man is a truly a threat to them how come he hasn't been taken out? There is a long long list of dead whistle blowers. Not only that but why the aggression and take overs during the rally of others to the patriot cause? What good does yelling at a building or at a passing car do? Does it accomplish anything? Why the promotion and titillation of fear and aggression? The promotion of "Revolution"?

At one point in my life I refused to vote because I believed it didn't make any difference. I've published a number of times, here, the infractions upon the voting system. That said, I still believe the fundamental right to vote exists and I have lately come to appreciate it and look upon it in a different light. We have an opportunity to cast our voice to the lot realizing that the majority will hold sway. We know that if the "voice of the people" (majority) choose wickedness then the judgments of God will be upon us. I suppose that goes as well for those whose voice is not heard. I think this is most important locally and fades out as the scope grows in size to the national elections.

I have also believed for a long time that the government was the ultimate problem and if we could only get rid of the government (really those in power) then our problems would be resolved. As I've changed my perspective on the power of the voice of the people my views have changed on that as well. Really its the people that need to change first....and then governmental changes will follow. I've found myself reconciled to the church's viewpoint and priority on missionary work.

In the past when I have pushed hard on my anti-government views I have found myself alienated from those people I associated with. I've discovered the truth in the statement that "You cannot antagonize and influence at the same time." As I've come to understand that really those people are the ones that I'm opposed to and not this anonymous entity called "the government" my approach is changing.

Getting back to Hitler. One of the primary tools that he used to accomplish his agenda is fear. He ultimately obtained power via the middle and upper classes through fear. Fear of riots, fear of being downtrodden, fear of the masses, fear of the Jews (money men), etc. in the midst of economic depression and a Republic staffed with aspiring men without morals or integrity. The Nazi's didn't obtain office via the ballot. The cardinal error of the Germans who opposed Nazism was their failure to unite against it.

Helaman (Ed) shared a talk by Elder Boyd K. Packer in another thread with regards to church and church history. I also find it of much use when applied to our current political situation. Here is the link -
https://byustudies.byu.edu/showTitle.aspx?title=5472

If we apply those same lessons perhaps our political engagements and corresponding results will be different?

Take for instance much of this reporting about deviant police officers. There are over 800,000 law enforcement officers in the United States. Aren't they reflective of the population at large in terms of righteousness and obedience to law?

Several weeks back a family member who is a police officer mentioned that one of his fellow police officers was nearly killed the night before. Finding 3 intoxicated young men (LDS) skateboarding down the center of a street he stopped them. While telling them to stay on the sidewalk (where they currently were) he saw panicked look in their face and turned to see an approaching car. The squad car's video noted him jumping and landing on the windshield as the squad car was hit by a drunk driver. We don't see that broadcasted by those looking for material to keep and enhance their readership.

We don't see the videos of the officers getting stabbed while trying to break up a bar fight. We don't see the puking in the toilet after a confrontation with a biker gang in a bar after midnight knowing that you are alone (understaffed due to budget constraints) and that backup is an hour away (resort town where no law enforcement officers can afford to live in town).

We don't see the million plus altercations that go down every week without incident and according to law.

Why? Why are the screw-ups reported? Passed around to each other like pornography? Pictures of baiting the cops with donuts? Does this fix our problems or make them worse? We are concerned about the police officers becoming a band of brothers yet we blast them all as if they all are out for the same intent? Doesn't that by nature band them together against their attackers?

What about the government? If you consistently make comments and bash "the government" then don't you anticipate that the FBI or local law enforcement agent will also categorize you in a certain mix of people/terrorists? Does that fix the problem?

Does an environment of promoting fear of government (authority), hate for all of its representatives, and revolution do any good? Or does it enhance the position of the devil and his emissaries like Hitler?

I'm guilty of all of the above.

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

INcredible post. I agree on most of it. The issue with all the "bad cop" videos. That is a huge concern. However, a lot of trust and power is given to police officers. Whether it is tru, or whether it is a flace impression given thru movies and other media, we are given the impression that police will cover for each other when wrongdoing occurs. My feeling is that police should be focused like a laser on exposing and getting rid of any bad actors. But again, like you say, there are probably thousands of great and decent officers for every bad one. (It is disconcerting to see backup after backup arrive in some of these videos and they all seem to join in rather than one saying "OK we have this under control - stop beating him." But I digress.

The JBS years ago had a program called "Support your local sheriff". I think the underlying thing was they were trying to address the "us vs. them" mentality that we seem to be falling into and that it seems that TPTB want between citizens and the police. I have had quite a few interactions with the police, and while they were firm and authoritative (as they should be) I never felt like I was mistreated in any way. I'm not sure where the correct answer is. I don;t think the right thing is that we should always obey whatever a policeman says no matter what, and yet I understand why it is necessary for their safety that they require immediate compliance. They have a job that puts their lives on the line every day. Yet a law abiding citizen shoulld not be in fear either. Paradox. Or at least quandary.

So much of your post just makes me appreciate you so much. It really is stupid how much we focus on and let the presidential contest divide us - again I think that is by design. Another area where I think the JBS is so on target - they have long advocated focussing on congressional races, the presidential race has long been and will be a controlled Punch and Judy show for the masses, but even those of us that should know better fall into the tar baby trap.

A proper Congress would restrain the president, who is supposed to be the weakest of the three branches of government. Really just a glorified dignitary to meet with foreign leaders, to see that the laws are faithfully enforced, and commander in chief in time of war. Not the king or near-king position we have today. A congress worth it's salt would have impeached and removed at least the last four presidents, and probably 3/4 or more of the last century. But that's neither here nor there, I suppose.

I think there are a lot like Alex that, whatever their faults, they are serving a good purpose of waking people up. I include Beck, Ron Paul and others.

Thanks for a great post.

[Bobby Lee Swaggercaptain of 50]

INcredible post. I agree on most of it. The issue with all the "bad cop" videos. That is a huge concern. However, a lot of trust and power is given to police officers. Whether it is tru, or whether it is a flace impression given thru movies and other media, we are given the impression that police will cover for each other when wrongdoing occurs. My feeling is that police should be focused like a laser on exposing and getting rid of any bad actors. But again, like you say, there are probably thousands of great and decent officers for every bad one. (It is disconcerting to see backup after backup arrive in some of these videos and they all seem to join in rather than one saying "OK we have this under control - stop beating him." But I digress.

The JBS years ago had a program called "Support your local sheriff". I think the underlying thing was they were trying to address the "us vs. them" mentality that we seem to be falling into and that it seems that TPTB want between citizens and the police. I have had quite a few interactions with the police, and while they were firm and authoritative (as they should be) I never felt like I was mistreated in any way. I'm not sure where the correct answer is. I don;t think the right thing is that we should always obey whatever a policeman says no matter what, and yet I understand why it is necessary for their safety that they require immediate compliance. They have a job that puts their lives on the line every day. Yet a law abiding citizen shoulld not be in fear either. Paradox. Or at least quandary.

So much of your post just makes me appreciate you so much. It really is stupid how much we focus on and let the presidential contest divide us - again I think that is by design. Another area where I think the JBS is so on target - they have long advocated focussing on congressional races, the presidential race has long been and will be a controlled Punch and Judy show for the masses, but even those of us that should know better fall into the tar baby trap.

A proper Congress would restrain the president, who is supposed to be the weakest of the three branches of government. Really just a glorified dignitary to meet with foreign leaders, to see that the laws are faithfully enforced, and commander in chief in time of war. Not the king or near-king position we have today. A congress worth it's salt would have impeached and removed at least the last four presidents, and probably 3/4 or more of the last century. But that's neither here nor there, I suppose.

I think there are a lot like Alex that, whatever their faults, they are serving a good purpose of waking people up. I include Beck, Ron Paul and others.

Thanks for a great post.

Your most welcome!

I agree that there are many unwarranted cases of extreme police brutality and they "appear" to be on the rise. The question is what to do about it.

Do we create an environment of fear? A greater divide between civilians and law enforcement? A divide that is already naturally on the rise as the people become a law unto themselves and police are tasked with "law enforcement". Does broadcasting the oversteps of law enforcement help the situation? I'm thinking that it doesn't but I'm definitely no authority on the matter.

I don't see how video's of Chicago law enforcement officers beating somebody will change the law enforcement dynamics in SLC except create perceptions and divisions where they previously didn't exist (not to say SLC cops don't overstep their bounds just speaking in terms of demographics and geography). If a West Jordan police officer(s) go nuts one night....how does anyone in Canada or Maine do anything about it? Doesn't it have to be fixed locally case-by-case by those involved? Shouldn't it be handled that way? Or by broadcasting it nationally and trying to create universal division we are in fact calling for a universal federal solution?

You mentioned a Congress that was worth its salt. Wouldn't a people worth their salt remove Congressional representatives that aren't getting the job done?

Would a natural disaster in Washington DC that took everyone out really solve our problems as people comically suggest? Or would we, as a collective people, just elect a whole new set of schmucks to replace them?

This is what I'm trying to get at....the heart of the problems and how best to resolve them (in the best manner possible).

Sorry bout the mix up...was just going to make a Blipits post and realized I had on the wrong sock puppet.

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

Very interesting story and life! My Father was also a policeman when I was young.
One hot summer night, our family was sitting in the living room with just the screen door closed.
Our little poodle was outside and wouldn't stop barking. I rushed out the screen door to bring her in the house, and stood face to face
with the biggest man I have ever seen. He was a black man and was very bloody. He wanted to see my Dad.

I was so afraid! I ran into the house screaming, my Dad was in the shower. He came rushing out of the shower when he heard me scream, and he was completely naked. I don't know which was worse. The bloody man or my naked Dad!

I read every word of your post. Interesting the way you're views have changed. Thanks for sharing!

[karen2cruisecaptain of 100]

I appreciate the posts. I have respect for many law enforcement officials and one of my my best friend's dad was one. They go through alot, many develop a wicked sense of humor to deal with the pressure, others become alcoholics. The pressure is intense. However, there is a level of trust and certain code of behavior that they need to maintain. Videos of bad encounters with bad cops are necessary to help the victims, as no one would believe the victim otherwise. This process helps to weed out the bad cops.

Customer service/call centers record every interaction to not only maker sure the csr is being polite and giving the right information but in protecting the company from false claims by customers. There are bad CSR (customer service reps) and lying customers.

Political meetings are recorded at all levels now to prevent misinformation.

Recording/filming interactions is just part of our unrighteous culture. This would not be necessary if the culture was one of honesty and integrity.

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

As far as police and government being representative of society, for the most part that's true. However there is an element that is deceptive and malignant. There is a small percentage of the population that is psychopathic. These people tend to get into postions of power and authority, like police and government.

They can appear normal or even better than normal. We as a society need to put trust in others to function. These people can appear as the most trustworthy of people.

I think as a society were are responsible for what happens in it but we must also take in to account that we are being intentionaly deceived. My house was broke into several years ago. When it happened I had no idea it was going on. It was broad daylight and someone kicked in the door. Was I at fault for this? Maybe I should have known better and stood gaurd with a gun all day, every day.

I liken our situation to the burglery. We have some responsibilty for what happens but there are theives who are trying to steal this country. Can we hold everyone accountable for this. To certain extent we can. But many are just as oblivious as I was when my house was robbed. It was done without my consent or knowledge and I thought everything was fine. Many people feel the same way about our country and the world.

The theives that broke into my house are not a representation of the majority. Neither are the Gadiatons.

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

Legion, I think it's great that you have the courage to challange your own beliefs. This is the path to true knowledge. I think we must always have an open mind. The belief we know something keeps us from progressing. However, I think you may be over analyzing things. You see wheels, within wheels, where others don't even see the wheels. Maybe that reflects a deeper understanding than I have.

I think AJ is a fear monger. There is no doubt he is. He is under contractual agreement to provide a show six days a week. He sells fear but that doesn't mean he isn't exactly who he says he is. I not saying he doesn't have an agenda. Everyone has one. Maybe he is part of some elaborate plan. I don't know, but it seems more complicated than it needs to be.

I think only about one in twenty Americans even know who AJ is. The Gadiatons may see him as a thorn in the side but not enough people are getting his message. Maybe half of the people who know of him beleive part of what he says and few beleive all he says. I think some go through a stage where there into him and then tune out because it's so negative at times. Killing him would only legitmize him in the eyes of those people. Maybe AJ's day is coming though.

Your mention of Hitler and his rise to power rings true. The fear was used to manipulate the people. Fear and hatered. I see a similar situation today. Hitler targeted the Jews. May didn't care when anti-semitic laws were passed. They weren't Jewish and felt like the laws didn't apply to them.

Hitler also played on the nation's predjudice. People like to hear they are better than somone else. Putting the Jews down and building the Germans up, dehumanized the Jews and the Germans allowed laws and policies to be put in place, they would otherwise rejected.

I have a friend who is a rabid Rush fan. When I talk to him about the NDAA Patriot Act or 9/11, he says it's all justified because of what the evil Arabs have done. He thinks we need the NDAA to keep them in line. Rush feeds him the propaganda and he swallows it up. Same as the German hating the Jew.

Hitler used the commies as his whipping boy too. the Riechstag fire and other false flag events to stir up fear and hatered of the commies. This also allowed Hitler and the Nazis to grab further power. It seems as this country is using the same play book(9/11) and who knows what's next.

The average person in this country doesn't have a clue about what you know and think people like AJ are crazy. I know more and more are questioning the status-quo but not nearly enough and we are well down the road to totalitarinism.

That's why I think the plan doesn't need to be that complicated. It's already suceeding. The fear you are talking about, for the average American, is for the Arabs, Iran, North Korea and others like Kony.

I won't rule out what you are saying though. I know you have spent a lot of time researching and have a great knowledge. The layers of the onion go deep. There are some that say AJ is controlled opposition.

[Randcaptain of 1,000]

Anyone who inspires the fruits of the adversary are being inspired by the adversary and those who are thus inspired are under the influence of the same demon. Excellent analysis, fascinating story. Thanks for sharing.

[ithinkcaptain of 1,000]

If the man is a truly a threat to them how come he hasn't been taken out?

Alex hasn't directly threatened the source of "their" power. Therefore: he lives.

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

Great post, Legion - and thank you (and Helaman) for the Elder Packer link...

Great discussion, y'all

[coachmarcMy own worst enemy]

Thank you for sharing, Legion! I'm glad I live where I live.

Juliette, don't keep us in suspense! What happened next?

[Book of Ruthcaptain of 100]

I appreciate this tread very much. I have listened to AJ for a few years, and through inspiration, I had the thought that contention is of the devil, period. No matter the sourse, the devil stirreth men to anger.

It's kind of a hard thing to quit listening to someone who is passionate about freedom, and I want to do my part to hold up the Constitution and be informed and be able to warn others, but for me, AJ is NOT the way.

I'm glad others are getting the same feelings!!

[durangoutcaptain of 1,000]

Nice post Legion.

[BlueMoon5captain of 1,000]

. . . There is a small percentage of the population that is psychopathic. These people tend to get into postions of power and authority, like police and government.

What credible data do you have to prove that psychopaths "tend to get into positions of power and authority, like police and government"? That's an alarming assertion; I would like to see some documentation.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Nephi, son of Helamen, had a difficult time awakening the Nephites to the fact that the Gadiantons had achieved "sole management of the government". Helaman chapters 6 - 11.

He worked hard to help them awaken to their worsening situation.

I see a similar effort being made here on this forum, and I welcome the discussion. Nephi did not ask people to "fear" but rather to awaken and to stop supporting the Gadiantons.

Similarly with Moroni in the book of Ether -- speaking to us in Chapter 8 about the same problems, "WHEN " ye see these things come among you... He warns us, not to cause fear but to help us wake up and not support the Gadiantons.

I also find that our own government is engaging in fear-mongering by their repeated reports of a terrible terrorist threat which they managed to thwart at the last moment. And fear of cancer treatments that look actually quite valid (but you are arrested if you promote/sell them in this country). And fear of surveillance and drones by our government. And fear of groping by the gov'ts TSA at airports and now in other places. And fear of farmers using their own seeds, gathered from their crops, rather than buying and using Monsanto seeds.

I think it behooves us therefore to be "watchful unto prayer"... and take videos when we witness what appears to be "unrighteous dominion" in any of its forms. I would encourage people to learn to live off-grid, and to identify and stop supporting the latter-day Gadiantons.

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

. . . There is a small percentage of the population that is psychopathic. These people tend to get into postions of power and authority, like police and government.

What credible data do you have to prove that psychopaths "tend to get into positions of power and authority, like police and government"? That's an alarming assertion; I would like to see some documentation.

I thought it was common knowledge. Hitler is a prime example of this. Hitler was a psychopath and could not carry out his agenda without many other psychopaths helping him. History is full of examples of this. The normal person does not seek power.

The psycopath seeks postions of power so they can prey on people with impunity.

There have been many papers published on this subject. I'm not jumping through hoops for you, to provide them. I've seen you ignore reams of valuble info that people have spent years obtaining.

I think you will only apreciate knowledge you have worked to get.

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

I appreciate this tread very much. I have listened to AJ for a few years, and through inspiration, I had the thought that contention is of the devil, period. No matter the sourse, the devil stirreth men to anger.

It's kind of a hard thing to quit listening to someone who is passionate about freedom, and I want to do my part to hold up the Constitution and be informed and be able to warn others, but for me, AJ is NOT the way.

I'm glad others are getting the same feelings!!

Even Jesus confronted the money changers. The Nephites fought for their lifes against the lamanites.

Evil must be confronted and stopped.

God has commanded us to stop the Gadiantons. The blood of the innocent will be on our hands, if we stand idle, while this takes place.

I agree AJ can get a little out of hand. I rarley listen to him. I prefer to read storys on his site.

I know where Legion is coming from on this subject. We must do missionary work. Preach the gospel and preach peace but we cannot ignore our duty in this matter. Pres Benson has said it will have eternal consquences for us. We must obey the Lord in this matter. Our families and future generations are riding on the outcome.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Lezlee and I had dinners with Alex Jones a few years ago -- twice. In person, he is calm and warm, with an aura of concern for his fellowman.

I have been on his radio show a few times also. He is always interesting to talk to. Sometimes he gets worked up --- he really does NOT LIKE what the globalists / Gadiantons are doing to this country and to the world.


I like his recent interviews with Joel Skousen. But mostly these days, like Thomas, I pick up on articles written at his infowars site.
Most of my personal time these days goes to family and to freedom energy research.

Today is Mother's Day (thanks to all the mothers out there) -- and we get to talk to our daughter who is on her mission in Louisiana -- Hurray!

We found Alex to be a solid Christian, trying to do what he can to inform people -- and to warn them to identify and not support the NWO globalists.


Best wishes,
Dr Steven Jones

[BlueMoon5captain of 1,000]

. . . There is a small percentage of the population that is psychopathic. These people tend to get into postions of power and authority, like police and government.

What credible data do you have to prove that psychopaths "tend to get into positions of power and authority, like police and government"? That's an alarming assertion; I would like to see some documentation.

: I thought it was common knowledge.

"Common knowledge" has a way of being commonly wrong.

: Hitler is a prime example of this. Hitler was a psychopath and could not carry out his agenda without many other psychopaths helping him. History is full of examples of this. The normal person does not seek power. The psycopath seeks postions of power so they can prey on people with impunity. There have been many papers published on this subject. I'm not jumping through hoops for you, to provide them. I've seen you ignore reams of valuble info that people have spent years obtaining.

In other words, you really don't know that more psychopaths are in law enforcement and the government than in any other profession or occupation. Hitler is a sampling of exactly ONE, which renders your argument meritless.

:I think you will only apreciate knowledge you have worked to get.

If you have worked to gain information that psychopaths and government employees are over-represented in law enforcement and government, you should be able to readily provide credentialed data substantianing that claim.

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

BM5.

Hitler is one example but he could not do what he did alone. It took many psychopaths, in positions of power, to do what he did.The persucution and extermination of the Jews was carried not carried out by normal people. It was a truly inhumane agenda

Hitler is one example but is far from being unique. I could write a long list of others. but he is a short one: Kim Jong Il, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein. Just these five killed over eighty million , of their own innocent people combined. None of these people could do what they did, without having psychopaths already in power to do their bidding. The are countless others. The history of this earth probably has more psychopaths ruling, than not.

A government must have psychopaths rampant, throughout the ranks for these type of things to happen. They cannot be done by one individual

As far as being prepared to back up my claim, I am ready but as I said before, I will not provide any further proof to you. It is a waste of my time. Try thinking about our world and why things are the way they are. You must want to know something. You only want to know what fits into your pretty little picture.

[BlueMoon5captain of 1,000]

BM5.

: As far as being prepared to back up my claim, I am ready but as I said before, I will not provide any further proof to you. It is a waste of my time.

The truth is, Thomas, you gave an opinion--and nothing more.

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

BM5.

: As far as being prepared to back up my claim, I am ready but as I said before, I will not provide any further proof to you. It is a waste of my time.

The truth is, Thomas, you gave an opinion--and nothing more.

Yes, an opinion shared by many mental health experts but in the end they are all opinions, based on rational reasoning and study. What is your opinion based on?

I 'm beyond trying to convince you of anything. You have a closed mind, in my opinion.

[jonesdecaptain of 1,000]

If you have worked to gain information that psychopaths and government employees are over-represented in law enforcement and government, you should be able to readily provide credentialed data substantianing that claim.

Good job on carefully phrasing this. Your training has paid off.

What sort of credentials would be acceptable to you? Would this have to be one branch of government turning on another branch of government to be a valid credential for you?

What sort of evidence would be adequate for you? Would it be statistics on voluntary psychological testing of LEOs, bureaucrats, and elected officials (where of course there is some overlap)?

How likely do you think a study like that would be given how our government currently operates? I suppose of you setup the parameters of what you are willing to listen to in a constrained enough way, no evidence will meet your criteria. Congratulations, you've just demonstrated one of the more powerful tools of pro-government bias.

If you're willing to consider trends in human behavior, understand principles, and apply them to how various aspects of government operate, you might actually learn something new and better handle the world you are part of every day. Some interesting examples include:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

http://www.canada.com/topics/technology ... ?id=976847

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/200 ... sism_N.htm

One, reported in 1998 in Current Psychology, looked at narcissism among university faculty, clergy, politicians and librarians and found that of the four occupations, politicians scored highest in total narcissism values, as well as highest in leadership and authority.

Another, a study of 39 U.S. presidents from George Washington to Ronald Reagan, appeared in 1997 in the journal Leadership Quarterly. It used a collection of biographical and presidential fact sources and then rated those presidential profiles for narcissism, finding that narcissistic behavior is a "trait predicting charismatic leadership."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-schw ... 83940.html

http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/we-really- ... ociopaths/

And a nice foundational concept that ties some of these together:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad

This has quite a few references, as do various of the other articles above. These are principles that have been studied for quite a long time and have a good foundation in science. A few have applied them to govt folks, but only a brave few. It is much easier to get funding and stay personally safe if they are applied only to criminals. The trick is that the difference is whether the behavior is expressed by individuals or non-government groups versus people acting in government positions. The behaviors are very similar, just the context and so-called "legitimacy" are different.

BTW, I'm replying to you Moonwhim since you asked, but this is really for others who are interested in the topic. I understand that your professional background involved formal training and significant peer pressure that blocks these sorts of ideas, so I won't be upset or offended in any way if you don't accept or agree with them. If that's not the case, please do share. I suspect you actually have some very valuable insights on this topic from your experience.

[Juliettecaptain of 1,000]

Thank you for sharing, Legion! I'm glad I live where I live.

Juliette, don't keep us in suspense! What happened next?

My Dad said he thought someone actually had me, and when he saw all we children huddled around him, and that we were safe,
he threw his pants on and ran outside, with a gun that was always close at hand. This man had been in a bar fight, and knew my Father as a kind police officer. He wanted a ride home. I don't know how he knew where we lived, but Mesa was a small town at that time.

Of course my Dad took him home. I was traumatized for several weeks. Of course my brothers jumped out of closets and from behind doors to scare me and to see me squeal! You had to be tough to live at my house.

[sourcedistcaptain of 100]

You would be hard pressed to find one example of Alex criticizing The Church. If anything he defends The Church.

Everytime a caller starts in with LDS bashing, Alex immediately responds with something along the lines of:

Every Mormon I know tries their best to be a good citizen, etc, etc,... You wont draw me into Mormon bashing.. <Next caller>

Lezlee and I had dinners with Alex Jones a few years ago -- twice. In person, he is calm and warm, with an aura of concern for his fellowman.

I have been on his radio show a few times also. He is always interesting to talk to. Sometimes he gets worked up --- he really does NOT LIKE what the globalists / Gadiantons are doing to this country and to the world.


I like his recent interviews with Joel Skousen. But mostly these days, like Thomas, I pick up on articles written at his infowars site.
Most of my personal time these days goes to family and to freedom energy research.

Today is Mother's Day (thanks to all the mothers out there) -- and we get to talk to our daughter who is on her mission in Louisiana -- Hurray!

We found Alex to be a solid Christian, trying to do what he can to inform people -- and to warn them to identify and not support the NWO globalists.


Best wishes,
Dr Steven Jones

[BlueMoon5captain of 1,000]

If you have worked to gain information that psychopaths and government employees are over-represented in law enforcement and government, you should be able to readily provide credentialed data substantianing that claim.

: Good job on carefully phrasing this. Your training has paid off.

: What sort of credentials would be acceptable to you? Would this have to be one branch of government turning on another branch of government to be a valid credential for you?

That would simply establish the fact that one government group has more psyschopaths than another government group. It would be impossible to draw an overarching conclusion from such an event.

: What sort of evidence would be adequate for you? Would it be statistics on voluntary psychological testing of LEOs, bureaucrats, and elected officials (where of course there is some overlap)?

Properly administered psychological testing, coupled with professional interpretation of the results, would be a valid approach.

: How likely do you think a study like that would be given how our government currently operates?

There is no one answer to your question inasmuch as government is not monolithic; some departments would cooperate, others would not.

: I suppose of you setup the parameters of what you are willing to listen to in a constrained enough way, no evidence will meet your criteria.

I'm sorry, but I can't follow your syntax. Please recast your sentence.

: Congratulations, you've just demonstrated one of the more powerful tools of pro-government bias.

Because you're previous statement is indecipherable, I'm unable to respond to your claim.

: If you're willing to consider trends in human behavior, understand principles, and apply them to how various aspects of government operate, you might actually learn something new and better handle the world you are part of every day. Some interesting examples include:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

http://www.canada.com/topics/technology ... ?id=976847

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/200 ... sism_N.htm

One, reported in 1998 in Current Psychology, looked at narcissism among university faculty, clergy, politicians and librarians and found that of the four occupations, politicians scored highest in total narcissism values, as well as highest in leadership and authority. . . . Another, a study of 39 U.S. presidents from George Washington to Ronald Reagan, appeared in 1997 in the journal Leadership Quarterly. It used a collection of biographical and presidential fact sources and then rated those presidential profiles for narcissism, finding that narcissistic behavior is a "trait predicting charismatic leadership."

How does narcissim relate to pathological behavior?

: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-schw ... 83940.html

http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/we-really- ... ociopaths/

And a nice foundational concept that ties some of these together:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad

: This has quite a few references, as do various of the other articles above. These are principles that have been studied for quite a long time and have a good foundation in science. A few have applied them to govt folks, but only a brave few. It is much easier to get funding and stay personally safe if they are applied only to criminals. The trick is that the difference is whether the behavior is expressed by individuals or non-government groups versus people acting in government positions. The behaviors are very similar, just the context and so-called "legitimacy" are different.

I will open the links. Perhaps they will be helpful. Thanks for the research.

: BTW, I'm replying to you Moonwhim since you asked, but this is really for others who are interested in the topic. I understand that your professional background involved formal training and significant peer pressure that blocks these sorts of ideas, so I won't be upset or offended in any way if you don't accept or agree with them. If that's not the case, please do share. I suspect you actually have some very valuable insights on this topic from your experience.

I'm sorry--Moonwhim?

[jonesdecaptain of 1,000]

I'm sorry--Moonwhim?

Whoops! My bad... sorry BlueMoon. I knew there was a moon in there somewhere...

[Legioncaptain of 1,000]

Legion, I think it's great that you have the courage to challange your own beliefs. This is the path to true knowledge. I think we must always have an open mind. The belief we know something keeps us from progressing. However, I think you may be over analyzing things. You see wheels, within wheels, where others don't even see the wheels. Maybe that reflects a deeper understanding than I have.

I think AJ is a fear monger. There is no doubt he is. He is under contractual agreement to provide a show six days a week. He sells fear but that doesn't mean he isn't exactly who he says he is. I not saying he doesn't have an agenda. Everyone has one. Maybe he is part of some elaborate plan. I don't know, but it seems more complicated than it needs to be.

I think only about one in twenty Americans even know who AJ is. The Gadiatons may see him as a thorn in the side but not enough people are getting his message. Maybe half of the people who know of him beleive part of what he says and few beleive all he says. I think some go through a stage where there into him and then tune out because it's so negative at times. Killing him would only legitmize him in the eyes of those people. Maybe AJ's day is coming though.

Your mention of Hitler and his rise to power rings true. The fear was used to manipulate the people. Fear and hatered. I see a similar situation today. Hitler targeted the Jews. May didn't care when anti-semitic laws were passed. They weren't Jewish and felt like the laws didn't apply to them.

Hitler also played on the nation's predjudice. People like to hear they are better than somone else. Putting the Jews down and building the Germans up, dehumanized the Jews and the Germans allowed laws and policies to be put in place, they would otherwise rejected.

I have a friend who is a rabid Rush fan. When I talk to him about the NDAA Patriot Act or 9/11, he says it's all justified because of what the evil Arabs have done. He thinks we need the NDAA to keep them in line. Rush feeds him the propaganda and he swallows it up. Same as the German hating the Jew.

Hitler used the commies as his whipping boy too. the Riechstag fire and other false flag events to stir up fear and hatered of the commies. This also allowed Hitler and the Nazis to grab further power. It seems as this country is using the same play book(9/11) and who knows what's next.

The average person in this country doesn't have a clue about what you know and think people like AJ are crazy. I know more and more are questioning the status-quo but not nearly enough and we are well down the road to totalitarinism.

That's why I think the plan doesn't need to be that complicated. It's already suceeding. The fear you are talking about, for the average American, is for the Arabs, Iran, North Korea and others like Kony.

I won't rule out what you are saying though. I know you have spent a lot of time researching and have a great knowledge. The layers of the onion go deep. There are some that say AJ is controlled opposition.

Yes the communists were used as antagonists for political power. One particular useful idiot (Marinus van der Lubbe) happened to be bragging in a bar about burning down the Riechstag and actually went about it (though proven that he alone could not have done all the damage) thus providing the perfect opportunity for Hitler (Goering). We've seen our own recent examples of this over the past couple of decades.

I've watched the decay of government in Mexico fueled by CIA drug smuggling and the corresponding drug war. Mexican oil is protected by their Constitution. A decade or two back Exxon got close to getting that changed so that the globalists could move in but it fell apart prior to completion. Now it will likely occur via a US invasion at some point in the future.

It goes back to the Hegelian dialectic which, as I understand it, is essentially a multipronged attack and not necessarily limited to two options but expands out with additional options (heads of the beast). I see this with Ron Paul who provides another outlet to the left vs. right paradigm but if popular support moved in his direction he would only accomplish greater feats for the globalists with greater speed. The reduction of the government via privatization would move even greater power and control over to the global corporations. The competing currencies would undermine what's left of our national currency and pave the way for the use of global currency. Selling (to China/Russia?) off our land and infrastructure (gold holdings) would further exacerbate our situation. Reduction or complete removal of corporate and property taxes yet calling for more taxes to pay off the debt (somebody is going to foot the bill). His plan and agenda is essentially a feudalistic dream come true for the powers that be.

So to return to this example of promotion of police brutality propaganda....what type of situation does this create or foment and who stands to benefit? Is it like the situation in Mexico where drug lords and government are played against each other thus paving the way for a US take over?

What about the fear, anger and even hate for "the government"? The fueling of political passion to the point of causing hate for the opposition? Who wins and who loses?

I'm ashamed to admit in the past I have listened to conference but rarely if ever even completed reading the talks later. I've not truly appreciated the wisdom and counsel of those 15 men who are the Lord's anointed. I desired to change and thus after this past conference I burned the conference talks to CD. I listen to them in transit to work morning and night. I've gone through the same talks probably a dozen times over the past month. Each time I pick up some new little insight I had previously missed.

The latest has been this little quote from Elder Dieter F. Uchtdorf -

Jesus said it is easy to love those who love us; even the wicked can do that. But Jesus Christ taught a higher law. His words echo through the centuries and are meant for us today. They are meant for all who desire to be His disciples. They are meant for you and me: “Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.”10

http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2 ... y?lang=eng

I thought about this in the political context. I quit praying for the leaders of our government some time ago. It used to disgust me (especially in the temple) when others would pray for government leaders or the military. I figured the military was engaged in unrighteous activities and had no business getting prayers as well as the men involved in perpetrating "the government".

Now I have considered praying for Obama. A man whom I disregarded with the highest disdain. A man, that to my knowledge, was brought up in the ways of wickedness (Frank Marshall Davis) and conspiracy (Mother and Grandfather worked for CIA front companies as he himself did later).

Is there hope that a mighty change could be wrought in not only his heart but my own? Other political leaders? Is it all past hope or is there a chance that repentance will indeed occur? Can the power of my prayers have an effect?

This “mighty change”8 of heart is exactly what the gospel of Jesus Christ is designed to bring into our lives.

How is it done? Through the love of God.

When our hearts are filled with the love of God, something good and pure happens to us. We “keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world.”9

The more we allow the love of God to govern our minds and emotions—the more we allow our love for our Heavenly Father to swell within our hearts—the easier it is to love others with the pure love of Christ. As we open our hearts to the glowing dawn of the love of God, the darkness and cold of animosity and envy will eventually fade.

Is there another approach to instigating the kind of changes that I desire to see in our country and in our people that I've missed because I was blinded with fear and hate? I don't know....I'm still working through these thoughts. I anticipate that stimulus will be required to bring about repentance. To reap a little of what we have sown and thus decided that perhaps we should change our inputs in order to have a different output. To be obedient to law and to make that law align with God's law.

Ultimately we must unite and not be fractured. We must realize the purpose and wisdom in being obedient to God's law and then stand on that foundation of rock. I believe everything else will be naturally resolved in the course of accomplishing those two tasks.

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

Legion.

Thanks for your thoughts. I'm getting your message. I guess, I'm a littltle slow. Fear and contention is not the way to resolve any of our problems. Some Jews ridiculed Jesus becuase he did not hate and want to kill the Romans. I'm guilty of what you are talking about as well. We have to walk the line that Jesus walked.

This is a difficult task. We are commanded to protect our famlies. We must not allow secret combinations to murder in our name or the blood will be on our hands but we must love those who are doing it. I think if we understood the implications for those commiting the crimes, we would have great pity for them.

Every once in a while, I sense a hint of what eternity means and what we have been through to get here. Going backwards would be a terrible fate, I think. Also to know what we could have been and failed. We are all conected closer than we relalize. When the veil is lifted we will understand better.

I struggle with this issue. Right now I don't even own a gun. I don't want to shoot someone. I think society may fall apart soon and I may die without a gun or see my famliy die. I still may buy one but somehow it doesn't seem right to me.

Total obedience to God is the path we must take. I am starting to understand some areas where I am lacking in this. We know that only a very few will follow this road. Many terrible things will happen as result. It is hard to not have fear. How do we raise the warnig without fear? How do we fight the Gadiantons without fear and contention?

Btw. I have an aquaintance who is a native of Mexico. He told me gas prices are higher in Mexico becuase all oil royalities go to one family. He also said there is a long time agreement with the oil companies to keep refineries out of Mexico.

[Legioncaptain of 1,000]

Legion.

Thanks for your thoughts. I'm getting your message. I guess, I'm a littltle slow. Fear and contention is not the way to resolve any of our problems. Some Jews ridiculed Jesus becuase he did not hate and want to kill the Romans. I'm guilty of what you are talking about as well. We have to walk the line that Jesus walked.

This is a difficult task. We are commanded to protect our famlies. We must not allow secret combinations to murder in our name or the blood will be on our hands but we must love those who are doing it. I think if we understood the implications for those commiting the crimes, we would have great pity for them.

Every once in a while, I sense a hint of what eternity means and what we have been through to get here. Going backwards would be a terrible fate, I think. Also to know what we could have been and failed. We are all conected closer than we relalize. When the veil is lifted we will understand better.

I struggle with this issue. Right now I don't even own a gun. I don't want to shoot someone. I think society may fall apart soon and I may die without a gun or see my famliy die. I still may buy one but somehow it doesn't seem right to me.

Total obedience to God is the path we must take. I am starting to understand some areas where I am lacking in this. We know that only a very few will follow this road. Many terrible things will happen as result. It is hard to not have fear. How do we raise the warnig without fear? How do we fight the Gadiantons without fear and contention?

Btw. I have an aquaintance who is a native of Mexico. He told me gas prices are higher in Mexico becuase all oil royalities go to one family. He also said there is a long time agreement with the oil companies to keep refineries out of Mexico.

Greatly appreciate your thought Thomas!

I don't have the answers to your questions but I am giving it a lot of thought. Certainly challenging times in more ways than I have previously imagined.