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Original_Intent wrote:INcredible post. I agree on most of it. The issue with all the "bad cop" videos. That is a huge concern. However, a lot of trust and power is given to police officers. Whether it is tru, or whether it is a flace impression given thru movies and other media, we are given the impression that police will cover for each other when wrongdoing occurs. My feeling is that police should be focused like a laser on exposing and getting rid of any bad actors. But again, like you say, there are probably thousands of great and decent officers for every bad one. (It is disconcerting to see backup after backup arrive in some of these videos and they all seem to join in rather than one saying "OK we have this under control - stop beating him." But I digress.
The JBS years ago had a program called "Support your local sheriff". I think the underlying thing was they were trying to address the "us vs. them" mentality that we seem to be falling into and that it seems that TPTB want between citizens and the police. I have had quite a few interactions with the police, and while they were firm and authoritative (as they should be) I never felt like I was mistreated in any way. I'm not sure where the correct answer is. I don;t think the right thing is that we should always obey whatever a policeman says no matter what, and yet I understand why it is necessary for their safety that they require immediate compliance. They have a job that puts their lives on the line every day. Yet a law abiding citizen shoulld not be in fear either. Paradox. Or at least quandary.
So much of your post just makes me appreciate you so much. It really is stupid how much we focus on and let the presidential contest divide us - again I think that is by design. Another area where I think the JBS is so on target - they have long advocated focussing on congressional races, the presidential race has long been and will be a controlled Punch and Judy show for the masses, but even those of us that should know better fall into the tar baby trap.
A proper Congress would restrain the president, who is supposed to be the weakest of the three branches of government. Really just a glorified dignitary to meet with foreign leaders, to see that the laws are faithfully enforced, and commander in chief in time of war. Not the king or near-king position we have today. A congress worth it's salt would have impeached and removed at least the last four presidents, and probably 3/4 or more of the last century. But that's neither here nor there, I suppose.
I think there are a lot like Alex that, whatever their faults, they are serving a good purpose of waking people up. I include Beck, Ron Paul and others.
Thanks for a great post.
Alex hasn't directly threatened the source of "their" power. Therefore: he lives.Legion wrote:If the man is a truly a threat to them how come he hasn't been taken out?
Thomas wrote: . . . There is a small percentage of the population that is psychopathic. These people tend to get into postions of power and authority, like police and government.
BlueMoon5 wrote:Thomas wrote: . . . There is a small percentage of the population that is psychopathic. These people tend to get into postions of power and authority, like police and government.
What credible data do you have to prove that psychopaths "tend to get into positions of power and authority, like police and government"? That's an alarming assertion; I would like to see some documentation.
Book of Ruth wrote:I appreciate this tread very much. I have listened to AJ for a few years, and through inspiration, I had the thought that contention is of the devil, period. No matter the sourse, the devil stirreth men to anger.
It's kind of a hard thing to quit listening to someone who is passionate about freedom, and I want to do my part to hold up the Constitution and be informed and be able to warn others, but for me, AJ is NOT the way.
I'm glad others are getting the same feelings!!
Thomas wrote:BlueMoon5 wrote:Thomas wrote: . . . There is a small percentage of the population that is psychopathic. These people tend to get into postions of power and authority, like police and government.
What credible data do you have to prove that psychopaths "tend to get into positions of power and authority, like police and government"? That's an alarming assertion; I would like to see some documentation.: I thought it was common knowledge.
"Common knowledge" has a way of being commonly wrong.: Hitler is a prime example of this. Hitler was a psychopath and could not carry out his agenda without many other psychopaths helping him. History is full of examples of this. The normal person does not seek power. The psycopath seeks postions of power so they can prey on people with impunity. There have been many papers published on this subject. I'm not jumping through hoops for you, to provide them. I've seen you ignore reams of valuble info that people have spent years obtaining.
In other words, you really don't know that more psychopaths are in law enforcement and the government than in any other profession or occupation. Hitler is a sampling of exactly ONE, which renders your argument meritless.:I think you will only apreciate knowledge you have worked to get.
: As far as being prepared to back up my claim, I am ready but as I said before, I will not provide any further proof to you. It is a waste of my time.
BlueMoon5 wrote:Thomas wrote:BM5.: As far as being prepared to back up my claim, I am ready but as I said before, I will not provide any further proof to you. It is a waste of my time.
The truth is, Thomas, you gave an opinion--and nothing more.
BlueMoon5 wrote:If you have worked to gain information that psychopaths and government employees are over-represented in law enforcement and government, you should be able to readily provide credentialed data substantianing that claim.
One, reported in 1998 in Current Psychology, looked at narcissism among university faculty, clergy, politicians and librarians and found that of the four occupations, politicians scored highest in total narcissism values, as well as highest in leadership and authority.
Another, a study of 39 U.S. presidents from George Washington to Ronald Reagan, appeared in 1997 in the journal Leadership Quarterly. It used a collection of biographical and presidential fact sources and then rated those presidential profiles for narcissism, finding that narcissistic behavior is a "trait predicting charismatic leadership."
coachmarc wrote:Thank you for sharing, Legion! I'm glad I live where I live.
Juliette, don't keep us in suspense! What happened next?
DrJones wrote:Lezlee and I had dinners with Alex Jones a few years ago -- twice. In person, he is calm and warm, with an aura of concern for his fellowman.
I have been on his radio show a few times also. He is always interesting to talk to. Sometimes he gets worked up --- he really does NOT LIKE what the globalists / Gadiantons are doing to this country and to the world.
I like his recent interviews with Joel Skousen. But mostly these days, like Thomas, I pick up on articles written at his infowars site.
Most of my personal time these days goes to family and to freedom energy research.
Today is Mother's Day (thanks to all the mothers out there) -- and we get to talk to our daughter who is on her mission in Louisiana -- Hurray!
We found Alex to be a solid Christian, trying to do what he can to inform people -- and to warn them to identify and not support the NWO globalists.
Dr Steven Jones
jonesde wrote:BlueMoon5 wrote:If you have worked to gain information that psychopaths and government employees are over-represented in law enforcement and government, you should be able to readily provide credentialed data substantianing that claim.: Good job on carefully phrasing this. Your training has paid off.: What sort of credentials would be acceptable to you? Would this have to be one branch of government turning on another branch of government to be a valid credential for you?
That would simply establish the fact that one government group has more psyschopaths than another government group. It would be impossible to draw an overarching conclusion from such an event.: What sort of evidence would be adequate for you? Would it be statistics on voluntary psychological testing of LEOs, bureaucrats, and elected officials (where of course there is some overlap)?
Properly administered psychological testing, coupled with professional interpretation of the results, would be a valid approach.: How likely do you think a study like that would be given how our government currently operates?
There is no one answer to your question inasmuch as government is not monolithic; some departments would cooperate, others would not.: I suppose of you setup the parameters of what you are willing to listen to in a constrained enough way, no evidence will meet your criteria.
I'm sorry, but I can't follow your syntax. Please recast your sentence.: Congratulations, you've just demonstrated one of the more powerful tools of pro-government bias.
Because you're previous statement is indecipherable, I'm unable to respond to your claim.: If you're willing to consider trends in human behavior, understand principles, and apply them to how various aspects of government operate, you might actually learn something new and better handle the world you are part of every day. Some interesting examples include:
http://www.canada.com/topics/technology ... ?id=976847
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/200 ... sism_N.htmOne, reported in 1998 in Current Psychology, looked at narcissism among university faculty, clergy, politicians and librarians and found that of the four occupations, politicians scored highest in total narcissism values, as well as highest in leadership and authority. . . . Another, a study of 39 U.S. presidents from George Washington to Ronald Reagan, appeared in 1997 in the journal Leadership Quarterly. It used a collection of biographical and presidential fact sources and then rated those presidential profiles for narcissism, finding that narcissistic behavior is a "trait predicting charismatic leadership."
How does narcissim relate to pathological behavior?: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-schw ... 83940.html
http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/we-really- ... ociopaths/
And a nice foundational concept that ties some of these together:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad: This has quite a few references, as do various of the other articles above. These are principles that have been studied for quite a long time and have a good foundation in science. A few have applied them to govt folks, but only a brave few. It is much easier to get funding and stay personally safe if they are applied only to criminals. The trick is that the difference is whether the behavior is expressed by individuals or non-government groups versus people acting in government positions. The behaviors are very similar, just the context and so-called "legitimacy" are different.
I will open the links. Perhaps they will be helpful. Thanks for the research.: BTW, I'm replying to you Moonwhim since you asked, but this is really for others who are interested in the topic. I understand that your professional background involved formal training and significant peer pressure that blocks these sorts of ideas, so I won't be upset or offended in any way if you don't accept or agree with them. If that's not the case, please do share. I suspect you actually have some very valuable insights on this topic from your experience.
Thomas wrote:Legion, I think it's great that you have the courage to challange your own beliefs. This is the path to true knowledge. I think we must always have an open mind. The belief we know something keeps us from progressing. However, I think you may be over analyzing things. You see wheels, within wheels, where others don't even see the wheels. Maybe that reflects a deeper understanding than I have.
I think AJ is a fear monger. There is no doubt he is. He is under contractual agreement to provide a show six days a week. He sells fear but that doesn't mean he isn't exactly who he says he is. I not saying he doesn't have an agenda. Everyone has one. Maybe he is part of some elaborate plan. I don't know, but it seems more complicated than it needs to be.
I think only about one in twenty Americans even know who AJ is. The Gadiatons may see him as a thorn in the side but not enough people are getting his message. Maybe half of the people who know of him beleive part of what he says and few beleive all he says. I think some go through a stage where there into him and then tune out because it's so negative at times. Killing him would only legitmize him in the eyes of those people. Maybe AJ's day is coming though.
Your mention of Hitler and his rise to power rings true. The fear was used to manipulate the people. Fear and hatered. I see a similar situation today. Hitler targeted the Jews. May didn't care when anti-semitic laws were passed. They weren't Jewish and felt like the laws didn't apply to them.
Hitler also played on the nation's predjudice. People like to hear they are better than somone else. Putting the Jews down and building the Germans up, dehumanized the Jews and the Germans allowed laws and policies to be put in place, they would otherwise rejected.
I have a friend who is a rabid Rush fan. When I talk to him about the NDAA Patriot Act or 9/11, he says it's all justified because of what the evil Arabs have done. He thinks we need the NDAA to keep them in line. Rush feeds him the propaganda and he swallows it up. Same as the German hating the Jew.
Hitler used the commies as his whipping boy too. the Riechstag fire and other false flag events to stir up fear and hatered of the commies. This also allowed Hitler and the Nazis to grab further power. It seems as this country is using the same play book(9/11) and who knows what's next.
The average person in this country doesn't have a clue about what you know and think people like AJ are crazy. I know more and more are questioning the status-quo but not nearly enough and we are well down the road to totalitarinism.
That's why I think the plan doesn't need to be that complicated. It's already suceeding. The fear you are talking about, for the average American, is for the Arabs, Iran, North Korea and others like Kony.
I won't rule out what you are saying though. I know you have spent a lot of time researching and have a great knowledge. The layers of the onion go deep. There are some that say AJ is controlled opposition.
Jesus said it is easy to love those who love us; even the wicked can do that. But Jesus Christ taught a higher law. His words echo through the centuries and are meant for us today. They are meant for all who desire to be His disciples. They are meant for you and me: “Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.”10
This “mighty change”8 of heart is exactly what the gospel of Jesus Christ is designed to bring into our lives.
How is it done? Through the love of God.
When our hearts are filled with the love of God, something good and pure happens to us. We “keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world.”9
The more we allow the love of God to govern our minds and emotions—the more we allow our love for our Heavenly Father to swell within our hearts—the easier it is to love others with the pure love of Christ. As we open our hearts to the glowing dawn of the love of God, the darkness and cold of animosity and envy will eventually fade.
Thanks for your thoughts. I'm getting your message. I guess, I'm a littltle slow. Fear and contention is not the way to resolve any of our problems. Some Jews ridiculed Jesus becuase he did not hate and want to kill the Romans. I'm guilty of what you are talking about as well. We have to walk the line that Jesus walked.
This is a difficult task. We are commanded to protect our famlies. We must not allow secret combinations to murder in our name or the blood will be on our hands but we must love those who are doing it. I think if we understood the implications for those commiting the crimes, we would have great pity for them.
Every once in a while, I sense a hint of what eternity means and what we have been through to get here. Going backwards would be a terrible fate, I think. Also to know what we could have been and failed. We are all conected closer than we relalize. When the veil is lifted we will understand better.
I struggle with this issue. Right now I don't even own a gun. I don't want to shoot someone. I think society may fall apart soon and I may die without a gun or see my famliy die. I still may buy one but somehow it doesn't seem right to me.
Total obedience to God is the path we must take. I am starting to understand some areas where I am lacking in this. We know that only a very few will follow this road. Many terrible things will happen as result. It is hard to not have fear. How do we raise the warnig without fear? How do we fight the Gadiantons without fear and contention?
Btw. I have an aquaintance who is a native of Mexico. He told me gas prices are higher in Mexico becuase all oil royalities go to one family. He also said there is a long time agreement with the oil companies to keep refineries out of Mexico.
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