Re: Ayatollah: Kill All The Jews
Posted: February 19th, 2012, 4:01 pm
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I think I will move there if Obama is voted back into office. Heaven help us!AussieOi wrote:
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AussieOi
Oldemandalton wrote:"The Palestinian people does not exist.
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20 POINTS THAT PROVE PALESTINE IS VERY REAL
January 15, 2012 at 08:16 (Associate Post, Hasbara, Ignorance, Israel, Palestine, zionist harassment)
This despite the venomous attacks by newts and other such creatures …
There are many books and references available to document each point.
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20 punti/points
Prepared by Mazin Qumsiyeh, PhD
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1- Palestine is the Western part of the Fertile Crescent: an area that includes Palestine , Jordan , Lebanon , Syria , and Iraq . In this Fertile Crescent the first human agriculture developed. Here the first domestication of animals (e.g. goats, donkeys, camels) and plants (e.g. wheat, barley, chickpeas, lentils, olives) happened.
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2- This is also where civilization began including development of the first alphabet (by Phoenician Canaanites) and the first laws. It was where we first developed sciences like astronomy, engineering, and mathematics
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3- The original inhabitants of the Western part of the Fertile Crescent were called Canaanites and the original language was called Aramaic which Jesus spoke (he was born in the country called then Palestine and thus he was Palestinian)
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4- The old Aramaic language gave rise to derived languages including Syriac, Arabic, and Hebrew and this language group is called Semetic languages
5- Arabic alphabet evolved in Southern Canaan (today’s Jordan and Palestine ) while the Latin alphabet evolved in Northern Canaan ( Phoenicia , present day Lebanon and Syria ). The Alphabet used in Europe today came from our part of the world.
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6- The people of Southern Canaan including Palestine endured many invasions of armies with nearly 15 times that local people were ruled by kings or emperors (Persian, Roman, Umayyad, Abbasid, Israelite etc).
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8- Palestine was always multi-cultural, multi-religious society despite attempts to homogenize it in certain periods (e.g. the Crusaders killed and exiled Jews, Muslims, and Christians of other sects).
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For more accurate info on the Haavara Agreement see:10- Before the wave of European Jewish immigration, Palestinians were of various religions: about 85% Muslim, 10% Christian, 5% Jewish and others. For hundreds of years Palestinians of various religions lived in relative harmony.
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11- Zionism is a political idea that spread among a minority of European Jews who adapted to the European notions of ethnocentric nationalism and thus claims Jews of today should gather in Palestine and create a Jewish state because of discrimination in Europe. Socialist Jews and other Jews believed in fighting for equal rights. Zionists thought that anti-Jewish feelings in Europe serves their interests and thus even collaborated with racists. There was a transfer agreement between the third Reich and the Zionist movement. Zionists also lobbied Western governments not to take in European Jewish refugees so that they all go to Palestine .
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12- Zionism started in the mid 19th century with formation of the “Jewish Colonization Association” and became an international movement in 1897 at the first World Zionist Congress. To achieve its goals, its leaders advocated transferring the native non-Jewish Palestinians.
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God did inspire these events.13- The United States and other Western countries under influence of a Zionist lobby pushed for the creation of a “Jewish state” of Israel in Palestine despite the wishes of the native people.
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*14- Between 1947-1949, 530 Palestinian villages and towns were completely destroyed and their people made refugees. This process of forcing Palestinians out of their land continued in other forms since the founding of Israel in May 1948. Today 70% of the 11 million Palestinians in the world are refugees or displaced people.
15- Current day Israel has a set of discriminatory laws that fit the descriptions given in the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid. Every month, the Israeli Knesset takes on more such racist laws.
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16- In 1967, Israel occupied the West Bank (including the old city of Jerusalem ) and Gaza strip. Together these two areas are 22% of historic Palestine . Israel began immediately to build Jewish colonial settlements in these Palestinian lands. Contrary to International law, there are now over 200 settlements on our lands housing over 0.5 million Jewish colonial settlers.
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17- Israel has built walls around the remaining Palestinian enclaves (ghettos, people warehouses, cantons, reservations) and isolated them from each other and from the rest of Palestine . These walls separate Palestinians from their lands, from other Palestinians, from schools, from hospitals etc. As an example, the Bethlehem district houses 180,000 natives, some 50,000 of us living there are refugees from 1948 period. All of us are restricted now to develop and live on only 13% of the original Bethlehem district size. 87% of the district is now under control of Israeli settlements, military bases, closed military zones etc. The Bethlehem people are isolated behind a wall and even Jerusalem (6 km away) is off-limits to us.
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18- Colonialism involves violence. Over 80 massacres were committed against native Palestinians. Over 60,000 Palestinian civilians were killed by Israeli forces and settlers. This is ten times more than the number of Israeli civilians (most colonial settlers) killed by Palestinians. Palestinians resisted colonialism over the past 130 years mostly by using non-violent popular resistance =)) something not widely discussed in the Western countries because of attempts to vilify the victims.
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19- Palestinians and other Arab countries in conflict with Zionism have been “unreasonably reasonable” =)) as one diplomat described it.
That is because the UN is controlled and populated by nations who want the destruction of Israel or have bought into the myths of the “Palestinians” and the Jewish “Apartheid” state. UN resolutions are political documents issued by a body of nations which is prejudiced against the state of Israel.We accept all elements of International law` and all UN (United Nations) resolutions on the issue. Israel by contrast, violated over 60 UN Security Council resolutions and over 200 UN General Assembly Resolutions. Without the USA using its veto power to shield Israel from International law at the UN SC, the number would have been doubled.
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20- We Palestinians demand and are struggling for our right to return and to self-determination. We call for a democratic pluralistic state for people of all religions in our historic homeland of Palestine .
We call for equality and justice. People in Europe and around the world can support us by using education, by coming to visit us, and by Boycotts, Divestments, and Sanctions (BDS). This is a collective human struggle similar to what happened in challenging apartheid in South Africa .
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kingbmm wrote:OMD,
Thank you for this thread. Its obvious that the libertarian ideology has also distorted the spiritual and temporal connection that we have with our brothers and sisters in Israel. This is something that needs to be corrected or we will suffer the judgments of God.
AussieOi
I see nothign here that suggests Palestinians or other people there won't accept Christ. Indeed I HOPE so.
God is NOT a respector, and ABrahamic Covenant iextends to his son Ishmael as I understand also
AussieOi wrote:kingbmm wrote:OMD,
Thank you for this thread. Its obvious that the libertarian ideology has also distorted the spiritual and temporal connection that we have with our brothers and sisters in Israel. This is something that needs to be corrected or we will suffer the judgments of God.
i love how it actually demonises Ron Paul, and the text repeats and confirms. truely poetic
thank him for what? spending hours finding words to fit a view that oppressing, murdering, humiliating and dispossessing a people is acceptable because WE lds have a scripture that says god will gather them and they will return to Jerusalem?
Please advise the following
What is this "libertarian ideology" you speka of?
What are the "spiritual and temporal connection that we have with our brothers and sisters in Israel"?
How this libertarian ideology has "distorted" that?
Why will we need to suffer the judgments of God? and what are these?
I read that GOD will bring all nations into (the state of) Israel and cleanse his people
THENm a remnant remaining will be saved by the return of HIS son, and they will see HIS wounds, and then accept him.
I see nothign here that suggests Palestinians or other people there won't accept Christ. Indeed I HOPE so.
God is NOT a respector, and ABrahamic Covenant iextends to his son Ishmael as I understand also
Why thank you!i love your avatar
Truth is truth Aussie.i love how it actually demonises Ron Paul, and the text repeats and confirms. truely poetic
You know very well the libertarian idealogy I speak of.What is this "libertarian ideology" you speka of?
Really?What are the "spiritual and temporal connection that we have with our brothers and sisters in Israel"?
Oldemandalton wrote:AussieOi
I see nothign here that suggests Palestinians or other people there won't accept Christ. Indeed I HOPE so.
God is NOT a respector, and ABrahamic Covenant iextends to his son Ishmael as I understand also
Aussie, I have always thought that those who witness Christ’s appearance on Mt Olivet and the destruction of 4/5ths of the army of Gog would convert to Christ. How could they not? Even the 1/5th remaining would be converted and return to their home countries. Is this how the gospel goes to the Muslims? This event could be a uniting of the Jews and Muslims finally after centuries of hatred when both people find out they were wrong.
As far as Abraham's Covenant, my reading of the scriptures and Church literature shows that it went to Isaac and then Jacob. Do you have scriptures that may indicate otherwise?
InfoWarrior82
AussieOi
"I see nothign here that suggests Palestinians or other people there won't accept Christ. Indeed I HOPE so.
God is NOT a respector, and ABrahamic Covenant iextends to his son Ishmael as I understand also"
OMD:
"Aussie, I have always thought that those who witness Christ’s appearance on Mt Olivet and the destruction of 4/5ths of the army of Gog would convert to Christ. How could they not? Even the 1/5th remaining would be converted and return to their home countries. Is this how the gospel goes to the Muslims? This event could be a uniting of the Jews and Muslims finally after centuries of hatred when both people find out they were wrong.
As far as Abraham's Covenant, my reading of the scriptures and Church literature shows that it went to Isaac and then Jacob. Do you have scriptures that may indicate otherwise?"
InfoWarrior82
If you are finally admitting that this is to be the case when Jews are purged by the Lord and are to be converted personally by the Lord, why in the world do you keep regurgitating the warmongering propaganda of our establishment?
Oldemandalton wrote:InfoWarrior82
AussieOi
"I see nothign here that suggests Palestinians or other people there won't accept Christ. Indeed I HOPE so.
God is NOT a respector, and ABrahamic Covenant iextends to his son Ishmael as I understand also"
OMD:
"Aussie, I have always thought that those who witness Christ’s appearance on Mt Olivet and the destruction of 4/5ths of the army of Gog would convert to Christ. How could they not? Even the 1/5th remaining would be converted and return to their home countries. Is this how the gospel goes to the Muslims? This event could be a uniting of the Jews and Muslims finally after centuries of hatred when both people find out they were wrong.
As far as Abraham's Covenant, my reading of the scriptures and Church literature shows that it went to Isaac and then Jacob. Do you have scriptures that may indicate otherwise?"
InfoWarrior82
If you are finally admitting that this is to be the case when Jews are purged by the Lord and are to be converted personally by the Lord, why in the world do you keep regurgitating the warmongering propaganda of our establishment?
InfoWarrior please cite for me where I “keep regurgitating the warmongering propaganda of our establishment?”
If you are referring to my posting of events that are occurring in the Middle East then what is wrong with the truth? It is up to each of us to learn and read what is going on then make decisions from it. The more sources for info we research the better equipped we are to make an informed decision on facts not distortions or fiction.
God has promised and has taken an active part in the Jews returning to the Holy Land, establishing a nation there, rebuilding Jerusalem and who will soon build the 3rd Temple on the Temple Mount. God has told us that the world will hate Judah, go to war against her and attempt to destroy them. God has promised that He will fight for them through two witnesses and in the end just before their destruction He will send His Son down to destroy Judah’s enemies. IMO many of the Jews will be converted during the 3 ½ years of war and build their temple then. The rest of the Jews and the remnant of the Islamic army will convert when they see the Savior split Mt Olivet and save the Jews. How will the Jews and Muslims deny that Jesus is the Christ, the Jew’s promised Messiah and Islam’s Mahdi? IMO that is when they will repent of their centuries long hatred for each other and join with us in worshiping Jesus Christ and His Father.
This is all in the scriptures InfoWarrior. Why be surprised I believe it?
Understanding the truth does not necessarily mean that you automatically want to go to war. The LDGs use half-truths to persuade for us to go to war. The naïve pacifists use half-truths to allow evil to spread “while good men do nothing”. With the whole truth you can determine for yourself what is right and what path to support.InfoWarrior:
Then maybe you're not watching the news where everyday they use this kind of news to sell us that we must go to war? I just hope that's not your intention here.
The scripture say we DO NOT help the Jews in the end. It’s either because we have a president like Obama who supports the Muslim Brotherhood or we are unable to help.The Jews will continue to do their thing and the Muslims will continue to do their thing until Christ will personally step in. It says no where in the scriptures that the U.S. is going to be the heroes and rescue the Jews.
Oldemandalton wrote:The scripture say we DO NOT help the Jews in the end. It’s either because we have a president like Obama who supports the Muslim Brotherhood or we are unable to help.InfoWarrior:
The Jews will continue to do their thing and the Muslims will continue to do their thing until Christ will personally step in. It says no where in the scriptures that the U.S. is going to be the heroes and rescue the Jews.
I agree 100% with President Packer!Building Bridges of Understanding:
The Church and the World of Islam
President Boyd K. Packer, Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter‐day Saints, gave this introduction of
Dr. Alwi Shihab prior to Dr. Shihab's forum address at BYU on 10 October 2006.
…Ahead of us, indeed already all around us, is
the world of Islam. Christianity and Islam
will clasp hands in cooperation and
understanding or clench fists in
confrontation and prejudice….
The Doctrine and Covenants has this very
interesting prophecy: “For after your
testimony cometh the testimony of
earthquakes, that shall cause groanings in
the midst of her, and men shall fall upon the
ground and shall not be able to stand.
“And also cometh the testimony of the voice
of thunderings, and the voice of lightnings,
and the voice of tempests, and the voice of
the waves of the sea heaving themselves
beyond their bounds” (D&C 88:89–90;
italics added).
Knit together by world history and by Old
Testament history and doctrine, the Church
and the Islamic world can see each other as
People of the Book, indeed Family of the
Book.
The First Presidency called a special fast for
funds to aid the victims of the tsumani. The
money flowed in—several million dollars.
Part of our purpose in traveling to Indonesia
was to review the significant Church
humanitarian relief to those hardest hit. The
assistance began flowing immediately, and it
continues today.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints expresses “special love and concern
for the eternal welfare of all men and
women, regardless of religious belief, race,
or nationality, knowing that we are truly
brothers and sisters because we are sons and
daughters of the same Eternal Father.”1
We believe that “the great religious leaders
of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius,
and the Reformers, as well as philosophers
including Socrates, Plato, and others,
received a portion of God’s light. Moral
truths were given to them by God to
enlighten whole nations and to bring a
higher level of understanding to
individuals.”2 [Statement of the First Presidency, February 15, 1978]
It is important that we in the West
understand there is a battle for the heart,
soul, and direction of Islam and that not all
Islam espouses violent jihad, as some
Western media portray.
It is as well important that friends in the
Islamic world understand there is a battle for
the heart, soul, and direction of the Western
world and that not all the West is morally
decadent, as some Islamic media portray.
Church members and Muslims share similar
high standards of decency, temperance, and
morality. We have so much in common. As
societal morality and behavior decline in an
increasingly permissive world, the Church
and many within Islam increasingly share
natural affinities.
Muslim scholars point out that the Quran
does not restrict Paradise to Muslims. The
Quran rewards all those of faith who
perform righteousness and believe in the
after-life. The Book calls Jesus Christ
Messiah, Son of Mary, and by the names
Messenger, Prophet, Servant, Word, and
Spirit of God.4
Alwi, a devout Muslim of Arabic ancestry,
and I, a Christian and devout Mormon, have
agreed to symbolically walk arm in arm into
the future. Together we hope to build a
bridge. Except what that symbolizes is
accomplished, all of us face a very dark and
very dangerous future.