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durangout wrote:Silly me! I thought obedience to the commandments of God was the fundalmental priciple (the only really) of liberty. Liberty of course is only possible b/c of the atonement of Jesus Christ.
jonesde wrote:durangout wrote:Silly me! I thought obedience to the commandments of God was the fundalmental priciple (the only really) of liberty. Liberty of course is only possible b/c of the atonement of Jesus Christ.
What does that mean? It makes no sense. It is a juxtaposition of two very different principles, important, but different.
Do you have any scriptural references or quotes or even personal opinion that might help me understand what you mean by this?
Think of me as an alien without the same background you have...
You made many BRILLIANT points in your essay! Thank you.rickytheory wrote:Sorry this is a little late but I wrote an essay that logically completes the connection between obedience and liberty. You can check it out at http://www.ldsliberty.org/the-science-of-liberty/
Let me know what you think. Also I would be glad to hear your feedback if anything was unclear or if you disagree.
Excellent points! You are a genius! What did you think about my 5 amendments to the US Constitution?rickytheory wrote:Thanks!
No, I did not mean that. I agree with you completely, and you're right that it would utterly contradict the premise of that section. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll have to change that so that it won't be interpreted like that in the future. And yes, I do see how the way I phrased it can portray the wrong idea.
The main point I wanted to get across from the essay was the direct relationship between morality and liberty. The link being knowledge. Specifically intended for the ever-expanding group of people that understand the principles of the external application in regard to physical government, namely the principle of non-aggression. I think that without the moral elements those wonderful people who are embracing the ideas of liberty are still missing an important key to the grand picture.
You are welcome!imperfectionst wrote:LoveIsTruth wrote:Who You Really Are
Thank you! I'm a big fan of Alan Watts!
That's nice. My goal was to discover a coherent, non-contradictory and true system of axioms and theorems that derive from them, that precisely describe:sbsion wrote:THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE OF LIBERTY is agency, the freer we are to chose the greater opportunity for our expression
Amen! To save your country you must discover correct principles and then live by them. The 3 Fundamental Principles of Liberty I discovered (re-discovered) are such eternal correct principles, and God is their source.gr8ideas wrote:"This is still God's world. The forces of evil, working through some mortals, have made a mess of a good part of it. But it is still God's world. In due time, when each of us has had a chance to prove ourselves---including whether or not we are going to stand up for freedom---God will interject himself, and the final and eternal victory shall be for free agency. . . . Take that long eternal look. Stand up for freedom, no matter what the cost. Stand up and be counted. It can help to save your soul---and maybe your country" (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 592).
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