freedomforall wrote:I said something a while back that I realize isn't true. I said that God does not use force. In that I err. Lucifer and his followers were cast out of heaven by force.
freedomforall wrote:I don't think it can be considered as force, however, that keeps people from entering his kingdom uninvited. A wicked person would wither and shrink from the power of God's presence. So I think it is more of a warning than force. A person cannot dwell where he isn't used or accustomed to living...because God's power is so intense.
However here on earth, he uses force to destroy the wicked. I can give hundreds of examples of that from the scriptures.
freedomforall wrote:One can set up a stop sign, but one cannot place an armed guard there to enforce the stopping of cars. In that one would rob someone of their free agency.
False. If you own the road, you can set up a stop sign, and an armed guard to enforce it. Because it is your property. Defense of property does not rob one of his free agency, but reasserts free agency, because violation of private property is a violation of freedom of choice. And defence of private property is defence of free agency. So you are profoundly wrong. I say it again defense of property reasserts free agency (freedom of choice), and violation of property violates free agency. So you got it exactly wrong.
freedomforall wrote:Willing obedience to law is much better than forcing others to obey.
You are confused again. Willing obedience to law of justice is indeed much better for the one who considers to violate it. Using force to defend your property is your God given right.
You are profoundly confusing defensive and aggressive use of force. One is ALWAYS justified, the other is ALWAYS wrong. Please learn the difference.
Example: using force to coerce people into doing or not doing something, when that action or non-action, did not violate your property, is wrong, because it is aggressive violence. It is not defense, and therefore is unjust.
Defence is the use of equal and opposite force, to neutralize/offset the aggression of another, and is ALWAYS justified before God.
freedomforall wrote:God does not force us to keep his commandments, but he has some steep penalties for disobedience.
Penalties is force by definition. God sometimes postpones penalties/force, to give people time to repent.
freedomforall wrote:None of us can become like god without our participation in the art of obedience to laws..
freedomforall wrote:Force is not teaching anyone how to use free will to exercise free agency.
Wrong. Defensive force is doing precisely that.
Aggressive force, however, (the opposite) of defensive force, is contrary to the plan of God, and is the definition of evil.
freedomforall wrote:This is why God is looking for those who "are willing to" obey, just like in the Sacramental prayer.
freedomforall wrote:When Christ comes to reign he isn't going to force anyone to live right...rather, he is just flat out going to destroy those that used their free agency to choose evil... right?
Wrong. He will use force, and if necessary destroy the wicked (aggressors against his property) if they do not repent. God uses force to defend and protect his property. People have a choice either not to defile/violate his property, or be forced off of it.
Yes God uses force, but it is ALWAYS defensive force, because aggressive force is the definition of evil.
Learn the difference. It is an absolute key. It is the very difference between good and evil, and you do not understand it.
Good = private property.
Justice = non-violation of private property.
Evil/Injustice = violation of private property.