The Fundamental Principles of Liberty

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Obama Family and Staff Cost Taxpayers $1.4 Billion in 2011

This is financed at a point of a gun (as all taxation is). ALL taxation is theft.

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ReasonTV: Freedomain Radio's Stefan Molyneux:
The Inevitable Growth of the State



The state grows until it destroys society because its proper role is misunderstood.

The state has ZERO moral right to establish a monopoly on law enforcement or judiciary system or anything else pertaining to private property.

The ONLY proper role of representative government is to manage public property, and that only in strict obedience to the third principle of Liberty that limits that management according to the laws of justice (see the first post), and nothing else.

Everything else, pertaining to private property, can only be rightly done by voluntary actions of Free Market. It is the only MORAL and CORRECT way that results in Liberty and lasting prosperity.

[Jason]

The rule of law is the basis of liberty.
http://www.lds.org/ensign/1992/02/the-d ... n?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As the Lord declared in modern revelation, constitutional laws are justifiable before him, “and the law also maketh you free.” (D&C 98:5–8.) The self-control by which citizens subject themselves to law strengthens the freedom of all citizens and honors the divinely inspired Constitution.
http://www.lds.org/ensign/1992/02/the-d ... n?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The people are the source of government power; it is they who consented to a constitution that delegates certain powers to the government.

Sovereignty in the people necessarily implies responsibility in the people. Instead of blaming their troubles on a king, on a cabal of military leaders, or on some distant group of wise men, citizens who are sovereign must share a measure of the burdens and responsibilities of governing.

All citizens should give law-abiding support to their national, state, and local governments.

“We believe that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them. . . .

“We believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside” (D&C 134:1, 5).

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/f ... lin-h-oaks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

....now for the libertarian spin....

Molyneux believes he has figured out how to have a utopian state of free trade and property rights with zero government...
http://lewrockwell.com/orig6/molyneux1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The arch atheist Molyneux attempt at moral explanation without God...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/molyneux8.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If morality doesn't come from God, then where do we get it from?? . . . right? Same old garbage. People stuck in their archaic beliefs which skew their understanding of the world. Sorry, but you can't compartmentalize authority. Either it belongs to the individual or it doesn't. You can't be a Libertarian, believing in the non-aggression principle, but then believe in THE tyrant.

http://www.revolutionbox.org/Thread-Dav ... eux?page=4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Isn't this getting to the core of libertarianism?

[LoveIsTruth]

The rule of law is the basis of liberty.

ONLY if it is a JUST law! An unjust law is the basis of TYRANNY, not liberty.

As the Lord declared in modern revelation, constitutional laws are justifiable before him, “and the law also maketh you free.” (D&C 98:5–8.)

Read it carefully:

• And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me. (D&C 98:5.)

As you can see, the Lord qualified his endorsement of the Constitution, ONLY inasmuch as it is "supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind." So it is NOT a blanket endorsement of the Constitution. Slavery was in the Constitution. Yet the Lord has clearly said:

• "Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another." (D&C 101:79)

This clearly shows that, according to the Lord, the Constitution had some significant errors in it, though it was largely inspired. These errors needed to be fixed, and eventually slavery was abolished and the Constitution improved.

There are other deadly flaws in the Constitution STILL remaining. The main one is taxation. ALL taxation is THEFT. If this flaw is not fixed, the society will be eventually destroyed. It will destroy itself, because of this cancer. If this INJUSTICE is not removed, it will grow until it destroys Liberty and the society itself. We are witnessing it now.

Molyneux believes he has figured out how to have a utopian state of free trade and property rights with zero government...
http://lewrockwell.com/orig6/molyneux1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If by the word "government" you mean INJUSTICE and violation of Private Property, which is equivalent to violation of Liberty, then Yes! Molyneux did figure it out, and you should learn from him, because he is right.

The arch atheist Molyneux attempt at moral explanation without God...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/molyneux8.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Isn't this getting to the core of libertarianism?

Libertarianism is a simple demand for JUSTICE, according to the commandment of God:

• "Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice" (Isaiah 56:1)
  Also this: "Thou shall not steal." (D&C 42:20)

That's all! The main and ONLY principle of Libertarianism is the principle of JUSTICE. You have no right to initiate violence against your neighbor. That's it! It is also known as the Non Aggression Principle. The same can be stated in terms of property: You have no right to violate your neighbor's property! That is the Eternal Principle of Justice. It is the same principle that exists in God himself! It is a correct and Eternal Principle of Liberty. What do you have against JUSTICE? That's all.

[Jason]

You can rationalize it all you want....but you will end up with the master whom you choose to serve. You have one choice. Either be obedient to the commandments of your creator or be disobedient. Trying to do an end run around God will not be successful. Libertarianism is exactly that. If you can't see that then there is nothing more I can do for you.

[LoveIsTruth]

You can rationalize it all you want....but you will end up with the master whom you choose to serve. You have one choice. Either be obedient to the commandments of your creator or be disobedient. Trying to do an end run around God will not be successful. Libertarianism is exactly that. If you can't see that then there is nothing more I can do for you.

How is it "an end run around God" when they seek to obey two of his commandments?

• "Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice" (Isaiah 56:1)
  Also this: "Thou shall not steal." (D&C 42:20)

These are THE main tenets of Libertarianism. It is the word of God. Do you have a problem with that?

[LoveIsTruth]

Eeeek, an Anarchist!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdDCaGQA ... el&list=UL" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[LoveIsTruth]

Jason/Legion,

This one is for you:

The Gospel According to Government

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Part-Time Libertarians

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Jason/Legion, this one for you too:

[LoveIsTruth]

Call the Cops at Your Own Risk

Your average person in the USSA still probably labors under the illusion that the police are actually there to help them, and that the public police option actually is superior to the customer-service based private options. That's a very dangerous illusion.
...
[For the police] Their own safety is far more important to them than your safety. After all, they are the sacred praetorian class, defenders of the law and the lawmakers, while you're just a subject who is forced at gunpoint to pay for their salaries. You'd be far better off being a voluntarily paying customer.

Read more: http://lewrockwell.com/berwick/berwick65.1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[LoveIsTruth]

Peter Schiff: Presidential debate analysis

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Tom Woods:
The Libertarian Speech I Would Deliver to the Whole Country
Brilliant!!!

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When Did I Sign This 'Social Contract'?

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Here is a simple chart that shows more dramatically than a thousand words that the so-called War on Drugs is a miserable failure. [Most people know that without seeing this chart, but the question is why is it a failure? This chart shows the answer. Hint: It has something to do with money. When people are being paid handsomely to conduct a war on drugs, do they really want to win that war and put themselves out of work?]
YouTube 2012 Oct 20


From http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

[LoveIsTruth]

On Us vs. Them
October 28, 2012
By eric

The movie, The Matrix, explains a great deal

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Most people are brought up from birth within the system – “the matrix” – and psychologically and socially and culturally conditioned to accept it as their world. And more, the world as it is supposed to be. What separates people like those here from everyone else? Somehow, for whatever reason, wequestioned. And we saw a flaw in the pattern (the green screen with zeros and ones, if you like, as in the movie). Something clicked – and we knew. The curtain fell away. We began to realize how thoroughly we’d been lied to about almost everything. Saw the fundamental violence of the system. The lie behind the facade of “democracy” and “consent of the governed.” Once you see, you cannot unsee. The pattern becomes obvious, transparant. And all of sudden, things make sense. A bleak sort of sense, to be sure. But for the first time, you truly understand.

But the downside is you are now an outlier, more or less alienated from the society in which you live. Other people are like zombies – because in a way they are. Just as in the movie. As in real life.

I have noticed two qualities that separate the people like us here from the Clovers out there: First, the habit of conceptual thought. Of reasoning from (and accepting the necessary consequences of) principles. Thus, we understand why it is so profoundly dangerous to countenance such things as “safety” checkpoints in order to (ostensibly) “get dangerous drunks” off the road. Because it follows that if the state arrogates unto itself the power to detain (that is, to arrest) people and search/interrogate them (no matter how cursorily) for no specific reason, without actual probable cause, then a principle has been accepted – ceded – and much more and worse will inevitably follow. Clovers cannot grasp this. They only see “safety” – and “getting dangerous drunks off the road.” The same point can be applied almost universally. For instance, “taxes.” A Clover will turn up his nose at a person who stuffs a Snickers bar in his pants at a 7-11 and walks out the door with it. He sees this as theft, which it is. But he does not see that it is also theft when he (and others like him) band together at the ballot box and vote to take much more than merely someone else’s Snicker’s bar. The Clover mind is unable to make the conceptual connection. Theft is somehow transformed into not-theft when it is done under the auspices of the state.



Second, Clovers have an under-developed (or crippled) sense of empathy. Though superficially, they often posture as the caring benefactors of their fellow men, in truth they have more in common with sociopaths who, like them, view other people as cardboard cutouts to be manipulated and controlled. The proof that they do in fact think this way is revealed by the fact that they will not or cannot confront the violence that is always at the end of their professed benefactions. The gun pointed at someone else’s head. The rough men in costumes who will come. Even the most petty-seeming failure to Submit and Obey will inevitably result in violence – possibly, lethal violence – being applied. What sort of human being countenances that? A human being who has lost – or never developed – the capacity for empathy. True empathy. Not the faux empathy of “helping” by controlling – and threatening. An empathetic man sees a fellow human being having difficulty and offers to help – himself. A Clover points a gun at someone else (or has men in costumes do it on his behalf) and forces that someone else to “help” – in the manner the Clover deems appropriate. In this way, the Clover satisfies his urge to control and direct – to apply force – and do to so under the guise of the humanitarian, even as his victims feel the boot on their throat, hear the handcuffs being locked.

They are asleep – or evil. There is no middle ground.

Empathetic humans see others suffering and feel terrible about it. But they feel even more terrible about the idea of official, state-sanctioned predation – violence codified and legitimized. The utter perversion of the concept of “help” which flows from the barrel of a gun. The utter perversion of humanity thereby. The warping of natural instinct – of goodwill – into something corrosive and yes, evil. Because what else can be said o people who pit man against man, group against group?



It is either – or.

Either you take the position that no person has the right to use violence against another except in self-defense – and all that follows from that principle. Or, you take the position that it is acceptable to use violence against other people for reasons you deem appropriate. The trouble with that, of course, is that your fellow Clovers will have their own ideas as to what constitutes “appropriate” reasons for restraining and controlling other people – you included – with violence or its threat. And the result of that is what we have - a hell on earth in which mutual parasatism is the essence of our politics. In which no one is secure, either in their persons or their effects (let alone their property) because all these things are subject to “the will of the majority” – as expressed by the vote of Clovers, the representatives of Clovers or the duly constituted agencies and bureaucracies of Clovers.


That is our Matrix.

A few can see it. Most cannot.

But some can be awakened. And that is where our efforts should be concentrated. Because ifenough of them can be awakened, the Matrix will lose its power. And then it will lose itscontrol. And that day, when it finally arrives, will be the day of humanity’s liberation.
It’s a goal worth working for – even if none of us now alive will live to see it.
Throw it in the Woods?

Related posts:

1. Winning Arguments
2. End-Running Clover
3. Why Won’t They Leave Us Alone?
4. Dealing With Clovers….
5. The Return of Clover, Mark I

Read more: http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/10/28/on-us-vs-them/

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Winning Arguments
August 17, 2012
By eric

The speech Morpheus gave to Neo in the original Matrix was elegant – and eloquent. But we’re not in a movie – and most of us are not masters of verbal ju-jitsu any more than we are masters of actual ju-jitsu. So, how do we – we being those of us who believe in non-aggression, voluntarism and thus, human liberty – make our case to people who don’t think in such terms?



The other day I had a chat with a neighbor friend. He posed a rhetorical question, “You do believe some taxes are necessary, right?” Rather than debate the merits of this or that tax, this or that function funded by taxes – I merely replied that as a non-violent person I am opposed to the use of violence, for anyreason except in self-defense. I therefore oppose, I told him, the violent taking of other people’s property for any purpose whatsoever. That while I might prefer this or that outcome, I would rather people dealt with one another on the basis of persuasion and mutual free consent – and not at gunpoint.

This approach usually at least results in a momentary pause. It may even get your opponent thinking.
Most people – including most of us – grew up with authoritarianism. It envelopes us, from womb to tomb. And so, we grow up accepting, implicitly, the moral schism that says violence is ok when it is doneofficially.
Or by a group, having so voted.

No. It goes much deeper than that. Because the violence is never – or rarely – spoken of openly. No politician running for office ever says, “I will threaten your neighbors with violence to provide money that I will use to provide schools for your children at their expense – and if they refuse, I’ll have them caged – even killed.”

Instead, the politician talks blandly about his “support for public education.” The lethal violence he is advocating remains in the background. He is thus able – of all things! – to posture as a “concerned” and “public-spirited” citizen, who “cares about the childrens’ future.”

Never mind the present of his victims.

People talk about the “need” for this or that – never mentioning or even considering that what they propose entails threatening people who have done them no harm and who owe them nothing with murderous violence if they disagree – and decline.

And so on.

The violence of our society is so pervasive, we swim in it as naturally – as obliviously – as fish in water. We – most of us – literally cannot even see it. We merely accept it as the natural order of things – and go about our lives accordingly. We vote – casually – to put our neighbors into cages – unless they Submit and Obey. To send armed men to their doorstep. To control and micromanage them, with the ever-present threat of the fist, the baton, the Tazer, even the gun always in the background. To deprive them of property – even life.



And they, in turn, to us.

It is called by other things, of course. But this does not change the essential nature of the thing. The violence is there, just sublimated – and legitimated. Organized. Officialized. Euphemized. And so, accepted. Unquestioned. Acquiesced to.

But it is violence just the same.

Only, worse – because euphemized violence renders inert the moral sense. Those in its thrall lose the ability to separate right from wrong in principle. They are reduced to relativism – and utilitarianism. To “need” and ” want” rather than right – vs. wrong.

You will never win an argument over taxes on real estate to fund the local government socialization/indoctrination center by complaining about “waste” in the budget, or that homeowners can’t afford another rate hike this year. But you can make a devastating moral objection to the notion that anyone has the right to threaten others with violence in order to compel them to provide funds for such an endeavor. It is not about being “against public education.” It is about being against the use of threats and violence as the basis of human interaction. It is about getting people to see that the ultimate kindness – the highest form of compassion one human being can extend to another – is to agree not to engage him with violence, but rather, persuasion. If people cannot agree, then let them disagree peaceably – and go their separate ways.



Violence – except in defense against violence – must come to be regarded as the essential sinful act. The single worst thing one human being can do to another. Those who believe – and act – otherwise must come to be viewed as pariahs. Sick. Evil.

Social suasion will do the rest.

People can live together in peace, without chewing each other to pieces, without reciprocal parasitism, enforced at bayonet-point. The world – our existence – does not have to be this way. It only requires getting enough of them tosee – and to feel – the water all around them, the sea of violence in which they swim.
It is time we crawled out onto the shore and took a deep breath of fresh air.

Throw it in the Woods?

[LoveIsTruth]

Individual preparedness, not Big Government ‘management,’ would have helped most

[Jason]

The fundamental principle of liberty is righteousness (keeping our Holy Creator's commandments).

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams

non-aggression, voluntarism, and other catch phrases are exactly that....just spins on justification of destructive behaviors....

Hans-Hermann Hoppe (of the MISES Institute) having strippers circulate amongst the crowd at his annual gathering of "The Property and Freedom Society"????

[jonesde]

The fundamental principle of liberty is righteousness (keeping our Holy Creator's commandments).

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams

non-aggression, voluntarism, and other catch phrases are exactly that....just spins on justification of destructive behaviors....

Hans-Hermann Hoppe (of the MISES Institute) having strippers circulate amongst the crowd at his annual gathering of "The Property and Freedom Society"????

That's not really what John Adams meant by that quote... it was part of a very political campaign to get certain things done, ie an excuse for certain laws and government actions of force. There is an interesting book on this topic called "A Renegade History of the United States" by Thaddeus Russell. It covers a controversial topic, and I'm sure among this crowd very controversial, but he does a pretty good job of recounting history without accepting or promoting the immoral aspects of it, including immoral acts by those who are "renegades" and immoral acts by those who are "anti-renegade".

[LoveIsTruth]

The fundamental principle of liberty is righteousness (keeping our Holy Creator's commandments).

Yeah, like the commandments: "Thou shall not steal," and "Thou shall not kill." Both violated now by the state: They threaten you with lethal violence and take your stuff at a point of a gun via taxation. So they are violating the commandments. But you don't seem to care. Are you picking and choosing which commandments to violate? Is murder and theft now Ok?

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams

Agreed. Not stealing and not killing is a VERY important part of being "a moral and religious people." Don't you think?

non-aggression, voluntarism, and other catch phrases are exactly that....just spins on justification of destructive behaviors....

No. They are the equivalents of not stealing and not killing. Do you have a problem with that?

Hans-Hermann Hoppe (of the MISES Institute) having strippers circulate amongst the crowd at his annual gathering of "The Property and Freedom Society"????

Brigham Young said that truth is truth, no matter the source, and that there is truth even in hell, and a lot of it, (of course, heaven has even more truth), and that we are duty bound to receive the truth wherever it comes from, because ALL truth is divine. Do you have a problem with that? Do you have a problem with the truth? Do you have a problem with not stealing and not killing? I don't think you should, if you hope to be a righteous man. Not stealing and not killing is an important part of morality. Don't you think?

[Jason]

Nephi killed. So have numerous others like Captain Moroni as well as Moroni and Mormon. There is a time and a place for that.

Obedience to God's commandments is the highest priority. I believe its quite difficult to serve two masters. So if folks are following one (moral decay) whilst claiming to follow another....houston we have a problem. Granted there is an area of compromise here....which means one should figure out what their highest priorities are and sort out everything else accordingly.

Good luck my Russian comrade! May the force be with you!

[LoveIsTruth]

Nephi killed. So have numerous others like Captain Moroni as well as Moroni and Mormon. There is a time and a place for that.

Obedience to God's commandments is the highest priority.

Yeah, like "Thou shall not kill," and "thou shall not steal." Do you have a problem with these? Nephi, Moroni and Mormon, killed only in self-defense, so they did NOT violate a Non-Aggression Principle, which is simply a Fundamental Principle of Justice and is its definition. Neither does God ever violate the Non-Aggression principle, because it is the principle of JUSTICE, and God would cease to be God if he violated it. I ask again, what do you have against justice? Whatever it is, you are wrong.

I believe its quite difficult to serve two masters. So if folks are following one (moral decay) whilst claiming to follow another....houston we have a problem. Granted there is an area of compromise here....which means one should figure out what their highest priorities are and sort out everything else accordingly.

There is no compromise here. JUSTICE is an absolute concept. Non-aggression principle is a principle of JUSTICE. What do you have against justice?

Good luck my Russian comrade! May the force be with you!

Good luck, Jason/Mummy/John Michael Kane/Legion/and many others. It is hard to keep a handle when you spew so much garbage that it stinks, so you have to keep getting new handles so you can live with yourself. I have a suggestion, try sticking to correct principles of justice, then maybe you won't have to change your name so much.


Good luck, my friend.

[Jason]

Character assassination doesn't help your logic. Nor does lying about friendship when your words just prior counter that claim (i.e. contradict yourself).

How did Nephi defend himself by cutting off the head of a passed out drunk man named Laban?

Speaking of justice....Christ wiped out millions of disobedient souls (3 Nephi Chapter 9).
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/3-ne/9?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He has also stated that no man can serve two masters.
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/matt/6.24?lang=eng#23" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/luke/16.13?lang=eng#12" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/3-ne ... ang=eng#23" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So where does the libertarian stand on same sex marriage fall? What has been God's response to that in the past?
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne ... ang=eng#18" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The prophets counsel and recommendations on prohibition, substance abuse, etc?
http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... on#p325055" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[jonesde]

Character assassination doesn't help your logic. Nor does lying about friendship when your words just prior counter that claim (i.e. contradict yourself).

How did Nephi defend himself by cutting off the head of a passed out drunk man named Laban?

Speaking of justice....Christ wiped out millions of disobedient souls (3 Nephi Chapter 9).
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/3-ne/9?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He has also stated that no man can serve two masters.
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/matt/6.24?lang=eng#23" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/luke/16.13?lang=eng#12" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/3-ne ... ang=eng#23" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So where does the libertarian stand on same sex marriage fall? What has been God's response to that in the past?
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne ... ang=eng#18" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The prophets counsel and recommendations on prohibition, substance abuse, etc?
http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... on#p325055" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is true enlightenment, and a blessed and holy way to get gain. Not only does it benefit it us and our families in temporal ways, it benefits the whole world in spiritual ways.

Clearly the scriptures teach that our goal should be to justify our actions that hurt other people and steal from them. This is what God commands and because we are his holy people we are to be the beneficiaries of these actions. It is better that these wicked people be gone or imprisoned or enslaved and that their property be used for good instead of evil.

May all true Christian Soldiers rally around this banner and make the world a better place. In this age government is our greatest tool for doing so and provides opportunities for significant funding and protection against personal reprisal from the sinful we must necessarily stomp out to achieve our holy ends. We must embrace and grow government under our righteous control for the betterment of the entire world and all of God's children in it (or at least the ones who meet our righteous standards).