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Do you honestly think God has a separate set of rules for the government and for the people? Government is just another group of people. And neither justice nor God are a respecter of persons! "Thou shall not steal" applies equally to government and non-government. Indeed: "to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." (Luke 12:48)Ezra wrote: (Where does God adress government like that?)
(Thou shalt not steal is written to the people)
Just like those who "befriended" the Bible by trampling down the Book of Mormon? Are you "befriending" the Constitution by preventing greater light, and truth, and justice from God, from being added to it, according to the amendment pattern that he himself placed into the Constitution? With such friends, who needs enemies!Ezra wrote: I'm not fighting aginst God. I am doing as the scriptures say. D&c 98 befriending the laws that are constitutional. Only.
But wouldn't you think it would have been easier to defend the people from the government if explicit prohibition against public taxation of private property (read against public violation of private property, a.k.a. against legalized plunder), was written into the Constitution? Why encourage plunder through uncertain and unclear law? God hates confusion, and is a God of order.Ezra wrote:So much so that I don't pay taxes. I don't partake in any socialistic programs. The government does not plunder from me. And everyone could be the same. If they to did as asked by not supporting unconstitutional laws.
Confusion out of you again. It is the government plunder that I seek to restrict, not the free exercise of religion and conscience by the people! Do you understand the difference? I am seeking to forbid injustice in the law, not the freedom of a man to do with his property as he will as long as he does not violate the property of another. In other words, I am proposing that Justice and Liberty be explicitly written into the law, to establish them, and not to destroy them. What do you have against Justice and Liberty?Ezra wrote:According to the word of God those who need commanded In all things will have no reward. Are you not pushing for more commandments. More laws?
It is time that you learn, that the more laws from God we receive and live the better. That is according to his word:Ezra wrote:I will ask again.
Do you( lov) need more laws in order to live gods constitutional and gosple principles of agency?
I agree. Lincoln did huge damage to the fabric of liberty in this country.Ezra wrote:Do you belive God killed all those Americans in the civil war to free slaves?
More were killed In the war then there were slaves in America.
Lincoln disobeyed and walked all over the constitution during his presidency. Ignoring almost every aspect of it. Imprisioned with out charge or trial over 3000 Americans.
To me that does not sound like a man lead by God.
Yes. Because it is my choice. "If ye love me keep my commandments."Ezra wrote:You still haven't answers my question. Do you need more commandments in order to live the principles of agency?
Really? You seem to try to restrict more words of His from being added to the Constitution, according to the amendment pattern he placed in it. Is it not so? Are you for more of his words of justice to be added to the Constitution?Ezra wrote:How am I befriending the constitution by preventing greater light.
I'm not restricting anything.
I do not seek to command men in all things. That would be unjust. I only seek to forbid INJUSTICE which God himself forbade. Get it? Do you see the difference? I am simply forbidding aggressive violence of man against man; in other words, I am forbidding violation of private property, and nothing else.Ezra wrote:I'm not confused about those who need to be commanded in all things having no reward. That's scripture. It's simple knowledge.I live d&c98:11
Not true. The power to tax was written into the original Constitution. It's like writing into the Constitution the power to chop off people's heads, and forgetting to say that it is not to be done, except for murderers. The government has ZERO right to tax what it does not own. To tax what does not belong to you, is the very definition of plunder, even legalized plunder.Ezra wrote:Laws of the land are not gods unless they are constitutional.
They are not constitutional just because they are part of the constitution.
One of those ammendements the 16th that I complain about is what gave the governement The power to tax the people directly that you are fighting against.
You don't see enough. We are trying to fix that here. ;)Ezra wrote:So again I don't see needing another ammendemt I see we need to go back to the way it was as created.
Explicit prohibition against public taxation of private property is missing from the Constitution.Ezra wrote:True the constitution allows tax. But for a very limited purpose. And not directly. As long as the constitution is read correcrly.
Then you should chase the darkness away out of your own eyes, and out of your mind.Ezra wrote:It's in the darkness of men's own eyes they become lost lov.
Because you speak error, and fight against that which is right and good. That's how I know, lov.Ezra wrote:How do you know I'm not doing as God asked me to do?
I am by the way.
Really? That is not the issue here, is it? Your ignorance is.Ezra wrote:Talk about calling the kettle black.
Lov or should I bow down and grovel at your feet since you think your soooooooooo far above us petty humans And call you god.
Do you honestly think your that more intelligent then me??
I compared your behavior to that of a monkey to whom you cannot prove anything because it does not speak English; I did not call you monkey. And yes, you are incorrect. That's why we are here, to learn from each-other and from God.Ezra wrote:You have refered to me as amonkey. And continue to speak and make comments about how I'm so incorrect.
Mirror please. Are you not prideful by rejecting the truth?Ezra wrote:Which just shows how pridefull you are.
If by "you" you mean you, then I agree with you. It does show how litttle you know!Ezra wrote:The scripture then show how little you know.
Please, do!Ezra wrote:Open your eyes.
Not sure what this means.Ezra wrote:Your just like kmc. Who's argument always consists of your wrong.
Scriptures, prophets, God, and reason is not enough for you? All that is "nothing" to you?Ezra wrote:With nothing to back it up.
You are like the guy who stares at the Sun and says it does not shine. Pathetic really.Ezra wrote:Nothing to show with scripture how.
To teach and to learn. You?Ezra wrote:Are you hear to teach? Or belittle? To contend?
Ok. I agree with that. But I do not take kindly to you saying falsehoods about me.Ezra wrote:If your hear to teach. Teach kindly.
True that. I agree.Ezra wrote:No one listens to somone who looks down their noses at others.
That is true. I am going to make extra effort to respect you. Thank you for the advice.Ezra wrote:If you don't have respect for those who sit in front of you. They won't respect what you have to say.
Please, see above.Ezra wrote:So what are you here for?
False. I showed you by other scriptures that your interpretation was incorrect.Ezra wrote:The thing is lov. Is scriptures and prophet quotes have been given that say diffrent then what you are. You just ignor them and proceed as if they were not posted.
That "the only," meant that was the only thing he wanted to change at the time; it did not however mean that there cannot be or never will be any other things to be changed later.Ezra wrote:I'm looking at your side.
I can see what your trying to say.
I can see how why you think the way you do from the quotes you shared.
And like I pointed out the quotes from JS about the constitution that even his quote is aginst you. As he said the only "only". Which dose not include the large list of things you are trying it accomplish.
And you are wrong.Ezra wrote:From my study of Scriptures and prophets I still say your misguided in your efforts.
Popularity is never a test of truth.Ezra wrote:And I'm not alone.
They point out the exact opposite, except you are too stubborn to understand it, or to think clearly.Ezra wrote:As scripture and quotes have shown by myself and others point out.
Never said that.Ezra wrote:by saying my intelligence is less then yours.
On that point you are.Ezra wrote:Or that I am ignorant compared to You.
Not really. It is a fact of truth. Truth does not hurt wisdom but supports it.Ezra wrote:Really hurts your own credibility as having wisdom.
Think about that next time you write.Ezra wrote:It's like the saying
It's best to be thought of as an idiot instead of open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Yes.Ezra wrote:We are all created equal by God.
Never said that, and never thought that. You assume incorrectly.Ezra wrote:If you see me as being less then you .you are the one who is.
Yes.Ezra wrote:Tell you open your eyes and see people as they truly are. We are all equal in gods eyes. Capable of the same glory.
I don't judge you. I judge your words only. And they are incorrect in certain points of which we are speaking. Discussing that is the purpose of this forum. Isn't it?Ezra wrote:Judging others is not our lot. When we judge others we place gods judgment on our head.
Nop. Apparently you judged you a monkey. I didn't.Ezra wrote:I belive your above statement show more then anything eles you are here to belittle and contend.
I judge you as my equal. You judge me as being sub human a monkey.
Why place gods judgement on your own head?
So are you now judge me of judgeing myslef? When will it end?LoveIsTruth wrote:Nop. Apparently you judge you a monkey. I don't.Ezra wrote:I belive your above statement show more then anything eles you are here to belittle and contend.
I judge you as my equal. You judge me as being sub human a monkey.
Why place gods judgement on your own head?
Technically never, because we ALWAYS judge ourselves. This is how existence works.Ezra wrote:So are you now judge me of judgeing myslef? When will it end?
I am not judging you. You are judging you. So if someone needs to stop, it's you.Ezra wrote:By choice. And you can choose not to judge yourself and others.
Humility is non judgement of others and self.
I'm learning to be non judgement. The lord teaches me all the time the depths of how much we judge eachother and ourselfs. It does no one a service.
And just where have you been Mr. FFA? ( I laugh at your new avatar, how are those selfies turning out?)
The wife and I went to Bend Oregon for a few days to celebrate our twentieth wedding anniversary. The years seem to have flown by. I have 22 1/2 years of marriage to a former, female woman of the feminine persuasion, giving me a total of 42 1/2 years.Bee Prepared wrote:And just where have you been Mr. FFA? ( I laugh at your new avatar, how are those selfies turning out?) Not bad. I like the eyes, they remind me of pools........................cesspools. And the teeth, so............................yellow. But, hey, we all can't be perfect.