Elder Cook meeting last week

[ktg]

There was a meeting with Elder Cook for all Bishops, HP Quorm leaders and EQ Pres. from my stake last week. When our Bishop reported on that meeting in Bishopric meeting last week, he said someone asked Elder Cook a question about defending the constitution. Elder Cook deferred the question to one of the 70's who was there. His answer was basically that the Church is neutral in all areas of politics. I was somewhat shocked so I questioned our Bishop about it saying that Pres. Benson was very outspoken about that topic. He kinda shrugged his shoulders and said that that's what he said. Interesting...

[Rand]

There was a meeting with Elder Cook for all Bishops, HP Quorm leaders and EQ Pres. from my stake last week. When our Bishop reported on that meeting in Bishopric meeting last week, he said someone asked Elder Cook a question about defending the constitution. Elder Cook deferred the question to one of the 70's who was there. His answer was basically that the Church is neutral in all areas of politics. I was somewhat shocked so I questioned our Bishop about it saying that Pres. Benson was very outspoken about that topic. He kinda shrugged his shoulders and said that that's what he said. Interesting...

... and informative. Maybe we should be engaged in this struggle individually, but not expect the church to champion this cause.

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Thank you for posting this.

[davedan]

The first step in America's IDEOLOGICAL SUBVERSION was our DEMORALIZATION. Therefore, the only way to defend the Constitution is not to fight constitutional issues, put to fight SIN and to preach repentance and to encourage keeping Gods law. We must somehow REMORALALIZE America.

Remember our covenant with God. Inasmuch as we will keep the commandments of God we will be a free people on this continent. And inasmuch as we do not keep the commandments of God we will be cut off.

It's that simple. Preaching repentance is much more important than preaching against government corruption or individual constitutional issues. SIN is the root of the problem. if the LDS leadership were to preach about government corruption, 911, ect. They would open themselves up for being infiltrated by agent provocateur anarchists and for inciting anti-government and anti-American sentiments just as has been done with Islam.

[prophetofdoom]

I agree with your assessment Davedan. The root cause of the decline of this nation is sin. The Book of Mormon makes it very clear that wickedness is always the cause of downfalls of civilizations. However, The Book of Mormon, also tells us that we are to root out corruption and secret combinations from among us.

I also agree with Rand. I believe that the Church is not going to openly call out the secret combinations. I believe it is up to the members of the Church to protect the constitution. Those whom the Lord calls to do this will know.

[Matthew.B]

Also, remember the widespread rebellion among the Apostles of Joseph Smith's day, and that even the Master was led, by God, to choose Judas Iscariot as one of His Twelve.

There is no reason to assume that there will be no apostasy amongst the high ranks of the Church in the coming days. The safety, I believe, lies within following the Prophet and the body of the Q. of 12.

It is unwarranted, I think, to assume that every silence in every situation such as this is due to the heightened foreknowledge of the Apostles.

[Matthew.B]

That post was not meant as an indictment against Elder Cook, although it may appear that way.

[iamse7en]

I know I shouldn't have this reaction, but should trust the living prophets and their strategy, but I have to admit this makes me sad. Perhaps the brethren feel the nation is ripe for destruction? I just can't see any of the prophets in the Book of Mormon saying, "We are neutral. We have no comment about the struggle between the kingmen and the freemen." But to be honest, this was a 70's comment, not Elder Cook's. So, whatever. The prophets have been clear to us individuals though: defend the constitution!

[ktg]

I know I shouldn't have this reaction, but should trust the living prophets and their strategy, but I have to admit this makes me sad. Perhaps the brethren feel the nation is ripe for destruction? I just can't see any of the prophets in the Book of Mormon saying, "We are neutral. We have no comment about the struggle between the kingmen and the freemen." But to be honest, this was a 70's comment, not Elder Cook's. So, whatever. The prophets have been clear to us individuals though: defend the constitution!

Yes, they weren't Elder Cook's words, but he was presiding at the meeting and he called upon the 70 to answer the question. I'm afraid people will take this to mean that we don't have to worry about the Constitution anymore (follow the living prophet argument).

I wonder if it's "don't say anything to upset the beast" and that it is now an individual fight, each of us needing to be guided by the spirit as the Church has commented on it in the past and must look out for herself now. After all, the preaching of the Constitution in the past didn't work. Why would it be different now?

BTW, he did say something about Prop 8 and how that was different although I didn't get a clear explanation of that. Maybe the fight for the Constitution is futile now.

[shadow]

I have Elder Cooks personal cel phone number memorized, maybe I'll call him and ask for further clarification...
On second thought [-(

[Amore Vero]

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[Mark]

With almost all the members of the church supporting the many aspects of socialism/communism happening in our nation today & supporting & voting for leaders who also support such things, is it any wonder that the Church has changed it's stance from 'warning about communism & secret combinations' to now just staying quiet & neutral now.

The Prophets warned the members for years & hardly anyone listened. Now it's far too late.

I have a little bit of a different take on this Amore. The Brethren know that the clock is ticking until the time when the world is ripened in inequity. They are calling out of Babylon those who hear the Shepard's voice and want to join his flock and work for the redemption of Zion. The fate of Babylon is sealed. No sense in beating a dead horse. It is a matter of priorities. The time is short and the last call is underway. The gathering process is in full swing. We must become purified and cleansed from the blood and sins of this generation in order to meet our God and redeem His Zion. Repentance is the only viable option for those who want to be called The Children of Christ. :ymhug:

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[SpeedRacer]

I know I shouldn't have this reaction, but should trust the living prophets and their strategy, but I have to admit this makes me sad. Perhaps the brethren feel the nation is ripe for destruction? I just can't see any of the prophets in the Book of Mormon saying, "We are neutral. We have no comment about the struggle between the kingmen and the freemen." But to be honest, this was a 70's comment, not Elder Cook's. So, whatever. The prophets have been clear to us individuals though: defend the constitution!

Remember we are not in Alma, but Helamen 3 Nephi. Nephi saw the corruption. He prayed for the people, and used the corrupt as a sign. He knew it was too late.

[Amore Vero]

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[John Locke]

It appears that the latter day apostasy foretold, is in full swing in the church.

Just read even 50% of what is posted on this forum and it easy to see what you say is absolutely true.

[kathyn]

Mark, +1.

[Mark]

We must become purified and cleansed from the blood and sins of this generation in order to meet our God and redeem His Zion. Repentance is the only viable option for those who want to be called The Children of Christ.

That doesn't seem to be happening for most all LDS though, for they are choosing to support evil & do evil (socialism/communism), & the leaders can't even warn or talk about it anymore because too many would get upset about it if they did. So Heavenly Father is letting the members have what they want, even to their own destruction.

It appears that the latter day apostasy foretold, is in full swing in the church.

The real question we all need to ask Amore would be is it happening for the man or women in the mirror. My stewardship does not extend to most all LDS. I remember a quote from the Prophet Joseph that applies to members today just as much as it did back at his time. He said:

In order to conduct the affairs of the Kingdom in righteousness, it is all important that the most perfect harmony, kind feeling, good understanding, and confidence should exist in the hearts of all the brethren; and that true charity, love one towards another, should characterize all their proceedings. If there are any uncharitable feelings, any lack of confidence, then pride, arrogance and envy will soon be manifested; confusion must inevitably prevail, and the authorities of the Church set at naught; and under such circumstances, Kirtland cannot rise and free herself from the captivity in which she is held, and become a place of safety for the Saints, nor can the blessings of Jehovah rest upon her. (Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 vols. 4:165)

[Amore Vero]

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[Jason]

I know I shouldn't have this reaction, but should trust the living prophets and their strategy, but I have to admit this makes me sad. Perhaps the brethren feel the nation is ripe for destruction? I just can't see any of the prophets in the Book of Mormon saying, "We are neutral. We have no comment about the struggle between the kingmen and the freemen." But to be honest, this was a 70's comment, not Elder Cook's. So, whatever. The prophets have been clear to us individuals though: defend the constitution!

Yes, they weren't Elder Cook's words, but he was presiding at the meeting and he called upon the 70 to answer the question. I'm afraid people will take this to mean that we don't have to worry about the Constitution anymore (follow the living prophet argument).

I wonder if it's "don't say anything to upset the beast" and that it is now an individual fight, each of us needing to be guided by the spirit as the Church has commented on it in the past and must look out for herself now. After all, the preaching of the Constitution in the past didn't work. Why would it be different now?

BTW, he did say something about Prop 8 and how that was different although I didn't get a clear explanation of that. Maybe the fight for the Constitution is futile now.

The Constitution is worthless without a moral people....

[Sariel]

, accept Satan.

If you say so. :ymdevil:

[creator]

There was a meeting with Elder Cook for all Bishops, HP Quorm leaders and EQ Pres. from my stake last week. When our Bishop reported on that meeting in Bishopric meeting last week, he said someone asked Elder Cook a question about defending the constitution. Elder Cook deferred the question to one of the 70's who was there. His answer was basically that the Church is neutral in all areas of politics. I was somewhat shocked so I questioned our Bishop about it saying that Pres. Benson was very outspoken about that topic. He kinda shrugged his shoulders and said that that's what he said. Interesting...

Obviously different Church leaders are going to give different responses to such questions, also based on the context of the question.

I was talking to a bishop that told me of a meeting for all Bishops in the region with one of the Twelve (He told me which one but I forgot)... Some of the bishop's asked a similar question about defending the Constitution and this member of the Twelve said that as members of the Church we do have a responsibility to defend freedom/Constitution but as bishop's they need to focus more on the needs of members of their ward.

[Original_Intent]

in other words it is up to the rank and file members to take care of it rather than waiting for a church program. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere....

[prophetofdoom]

in other words it is up to the rank and file members to take care of it rather than waiting for a church program. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere....

Exactly. If we are sitting around waiting to be commanded in all things about defending the constitution it isn't going to happen. The prophecies say that the "elders" will step forth to preserve the constitution. That is a very broad group of people to save the constitution. My personal belief is that there are a select group of elders who have this has their personal life missions here on Earth.. they will know what to do when the time is right.

[Jason]

in other words it is up to the rank and file members to take care of it rather than waiting for a church program. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere....

Exactly. If we are sitting around waiting to be commanded in all things about defending the constitution it isn't going to happen. The prophecies say that the "elders" will step forth to preserve the constitution. That is a very broad group of people to save the constitution. My personal belief is that there are a select group of elders who have this has their personal life missions here on Earth.. they will know what to do when the time is right.

Of course they never state HOW they save it.....could simply be survivors resurrecting what once used to be???

[Henmasher]

in other words it is up to the rank and file members to take care of it rather than waiting for a church program. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere....

Exactly. If we are sitting around waiting to be commanded in all things about defending the constitution it isn't going to happen. The prophecies say that the "elders" will step forth to preserve the constitution. That is a very broad group of people to save the constitution. My personal belief is that there are a select group of elders who have this has their personal life missions here on Earth.. they will know what to do when the time is right.

Of course they never state HOW they save it.....could simply be survivors resurrecting what once used to be???

Jason, I agree. I personally feel that. That the Flag and Constitution may be the banners of freedom used by the boys from the Mountains, longwhile America has been crushed and is gone the way of the earth.