Ron Paul - What has he accomplished?

[Jason]

The Reader's Digest Condensed version - Part I of the foundations and institutes....

American Conservative Union:

Established in 1964, the American Conservative Union (ACU) is a large grassroots conservative lobbying organization, committed to a market economy, the doctrine of original intent of the framers of the Constitution, traditional moral values, and a strong national defense. It was formed in response to the electoral defeat of Barry Goldwater; the organizing meeting included Robert Bauman (organizer); Frank S. Meyer, John Chamberlain, Jameson Campaigne Sr., John Ashbrook, Katharine St. George, William F. Buckley Jr. and L. Brent Bozell. It was modeled after the Americans for Democratic Action, and also was positioned as an organization where members of Young Americans for Freedom (YAF), founded by Buckley, could go when they reached the maximum age of 35.

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In 1984, David Keene, the current chairman of the ACU, assumed that position. He is also the managing associate of Carmen Group Lobbying, a Washington, DC-based lobbying firm.
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Board members include: Senator Jesse Helms; Grover Norquist, Morton Blackwell, also on the Conservative Leadership PAC and Free Congress Foundation boards; and Becky Norton Dunlop, also serves on boards of the Heritage Foundation, the Family Foundation and Century Communications
Frequent Donors: The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation; the Bill and Berniece Grewcock Foundation; and the William E. Simon Foundation

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Less than a month after he succeeded David Keene as chairman of the American Conservative Union, Al Cardenas sat down with HUMAN EVENTS to discuss the outlook for the ACU and the conservative movement. A Florida co-chairman of Ronald Reagan’s 1976 presidential campaign and the 1978 Republican opponent to longtime Rep. Claude Pepper (D.-Fla.), Miami attorney Cardenas, whose family came from Cuba, has been in active in most of the modern conservative political battles. As head of the nation’s oldest national conservative organization, which is the main sponsor of the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), the 59-year-old Cardenas will no doubt be a player in helping direct the movement in the coming decade.

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The Leadership Institute:

The Institute was founded in 1979 by conservative activist Morton C. Blackwell. Its mission is to "increase the number and effectiveness of conservative activists" and to "identify, train, recruit and place conservatives in politics, government, and media."

The Leadership Institute offers 40 types of training seminars at its Arlington headquarters, around the United States, and occasionally in foreign countries. In 2009, the Institute trained more than 9,500 students.[2] Since its 1979 founding, the Leadership Institute has trained more than 91,475 students. Notable alumni include Grover Norquist, Karl Rove, Senator Mitch McConnell, Congressman Mike Pence, and seven new members of the 112th Congress.

While the Institute does not provide instruction in philosophical conservatism, it does encourage its graduates to read classic conservative authors like Edmund Burke and "classical liberal" authors like Frederic Bastiat, as well as more modern conservative thinkers including William F. Buckley Jr., Milton Friedman, Russell Kirk, Barry Goldwater, and libertarian thinkers such as F. A. Hayek.[3]

The Leadership Institute teaches 41 different types of classes and seminars using its own curriculum. Class content varies from teaching how to create a campus newsletter to political activism (i.e. grassroots activism) to professional training and development (i.e. broadcast journalism).

The Institute has developed an interest in training students internationally, and has been active in the creation of similar Institutes in Greece, Chile, Poland, France, the U.K., Korea, Canada, and Japan.

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Blackwell is considered something of a specialist in matters relating to the rules of the Republican Party. He served on rules committees of the state Republican parties in Louisiana and Virginia. He serves now on the RNC’s Standing Committee on Rules and has attended every meeting of the Republican National Conventions’ Rules Committees since 1972.

Blackwell has been a member since 1984 of the Council for National Policy, a group of politically active conservatives. Founders included Richard Viguerie, the Virginia direct-mail specialist, Paul Weyrich, Howard Phillips of the Constitution Party, and Phyllis Schlafly, a St. Louis activist who led the opposition to the proposed Equal Rights Amendment. Another founder was Tim LaHaye, author of the Left Behind novels. The council does not make its proceedings public. When he first ran for president, George W. Bush addressed the Council for National Policy. His remarks from 2000 have never been unveiled.

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We know that at least two of the young men charged in connection with attempts to tamper with Sen. Mary Landrieu’s office phones led conservative college newspapers that received seed money from The Leadership Institute. But what’s the Leadership Institute?

Leadership Institute Vice President David Fenner said in a phone interview this morning that the group had “informal, above-board relationships” with both James O’Keefe and Joseph Basel when they were college students.

O’Keefe founded The Centurion at Rutgers and Basel launched The Counterweight at the University of Minnesota-Morris — each of which received $500 “Balance in Media” grants from the Leadership Institute. Both were charged yesterday with trying to tamper with Landrieu’s phones.

In tax forms posted on its website, the Leadership Institute reported receiving nearly $6 million in contributions in 2008, compared to $9.6 million in 2007. The group reported spending $11.2 million in 2008 and $11.4 million the year before — leading to a net loss both years.

The group claimed its net assets and fund balances totaled $11.6 million at the end of 2008.

In 2008, the Leadership Institute reported spending more than $3 million conducting “344 training schools of 39 different types to train youth leaders and provide education regarding the public policy process.”

Additionally, the group reported $4.6 million in spending on its “campus leadership program” — the same program that O’Keefe and Basel benefited from. The Leadership Institute uses this program to conduct “leadership schools for these groups and helps students start newspapers on their campuses.”

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...basically seems like a feeder program/training for use by the foundations...for example -

Andrew, as a young twenty-something, has a resume with experience at Grove City’s Center for Vision and Values, the Leadership Institute, Young America’s Foundation, the Heritage Foundation, The Fund for American Studies, Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation’s Associate Program, and the Bill of Rights Institute, where he is currently a director of development.

“Attending my first Leadership Institute’s Youth Leadership School in 2002 led to my first job as a youth campaign coordinator in the most expensive congressional primary race in 2004,” Andrew said. “My first experiences in Washington, D.C. came to fruition because of my internship at the Leadership Institute. That summer served as a springboard for me in many ways.”

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The goal of the alliance, according to organizers, is to foster the growth of liberal or left-leaning institutions equipped to take on prominent think tanks on the right, including the Heritage Foundation, the Hoover Institution, the American Enterprise Institute and the Cato Institute, as well as such training centers as the Leadership Institute and the Young America's Foundation.

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The Performance Institute:

Called “the leading think tank in performance measurement for government” on OMB’s ExpectMore.gov, The Performance Institute has been a leader in Performance Management training and policy since the 2000 administration transition. As part of the Government Performance Coalition, a group of good government organizations, the Institute worked in 2000 to deliver recommendations to the then new administration on what would become the President’s Management Agenda.
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Carl DeMaio's former company, the Performance Institute, reaped the majority of its revenue from public funds. Then, DeMaio used that money to push for his own political agenda. DeMaio called the Performance Institute a "private think tank," but unlike other think tanks, it has no board and no oversight. In the past, the Performance Institute did not disclose its donors, or how much its former CEO, Carl DeMaio, made.
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In 2007, Thompson Publishing Group, now Thompson Media Group acquired The Performance Institute and The American Strategic Management Institute from founder Carl DeMaio. The Performance Institute is a private, non-partisan think-tank in the United States that specializes in improving government results through the principles of performance, transparency and accountability.

Thompson Media Group, LLC, originally established as Thompson Publishing Group, Inc. was founded in 1972 by Carl DeMaio. It is a privately-held media company that specializes in providing compliance, regulatory, and market information through its four operating units: Thompson Publishing Group, The Performance Institute & American Strategic Management Institute, AHC & BioWorld, and Sheshunoff Information Services, A.S. Pratt, & Alex Information (collectively, SIS).[1][2] Thompson Media Group, LLC, is based in Washington, DC. Thompson Media Group LLC established their name during reorganization in 2011.

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American Conservative Defense Alliance:

a think tank and interest group that supports national security conservatism, emphasizing that the United States should take foreign action only in service of vital national interests. Its platform states:[1]

Supporting a strong, cost-effective and Constitutional national defense strategy, the purpose of which is to secure the lives, liberty, and property of the American people.
Creating, strengthening, and maintaining military forces capable of defeating any enemy that attacks the United States. Ensuring that America’s soldiers, airmen, marines, sailors, coast guard and reserve component forces are the best equipped, trained, and led military forces in the world.
Promoting a foreign policy of strategic independence, thereby avoiding foreign conflicts unless there is a verifiable and imminent threat to the United States. If the U.S. does engage in military action, there must be clear standards for victory and exit. Absent exceptional circumstances, when a vital national interest is at stake, America should neither underwrite regimes nor engage in nation building
Providing to the world examples of how to maintain a free and prosperous society based on the rule of Constitutional law, individual liberty, and the rights of private property.

Its positions reject the doctrines of neoconservatism.

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Michael advocated for American national security interests as a co-founder of the American Conservative Defense Alliance, which worked to promote a traditional conservative foreign and defense policy (2008- 2010). He blogs on national security related issues at Politico. Working to promote civil liberties, Michael co-founded and is National Director of the Liberty Coalition, a transpartisan coalition of groups working to protect civil liberties, privacy and human autonomy (2005- present). He is presently the coalition coordinator and public policy counsel for the Campaign for Liberty working on transparency and open government issues including Audit of the Federal Reserve. He also sits on the Steering Committee for Openthegovernment.org and Board Member for Bill of Rights Defense Committee.

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This public policy group is the creation of Grover Norquist, an anti-tax conservative activist with a record of ties to Muslim Brotherhood leaders and Islamist front groups.90 It was founded in early 2008 and, until recently, housed in Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform offices. 91 ACDA Board Members include Samah Norquist, secretary (also Grover Norquist’s wife); Peter Gemma, treasurer; and Philip Giraldi, the Francis Walsingham Fellow.

Norquist’s role in Islamist influence operations is an ominous one. He founded a front organization called the Islamic Free Market Institute in 1998 together with a Muslim activitist long associated with Muslim Brotherhood operatives named Khaled Saffuri “to promote a better understanding of Islam in America.”

During the presidential campaign of 2000, Norquist arranged a meeting between Alamoudi and then- Republican presidential candidate, Texas Governor George W. Bush.96 Later, after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, President Bush appeared at a prayer service with Alamoudi and apparently remained unaware of his terrorist links for a number of years after that.97

Another troubling connection is Grover Norquist’s close relationship with Faisal Gill, Policy Director of the Information Analysis and Infrastructure Protection division for the Department of Homeland Security under President Bush. In 2004, it was discovered that Gill, who was a political appointee, had failed to disclose his own formerly close working relationship with Alamoudi, whom he apparently served as spokesman for the American Muslim Council. Nevertheless, Gill was permitted to retain his government position.98

Although the American Conservative Defense Alliance claims to advocate for a strong U.S. national defense policy, it eschews any initiative that would entail “imposing American-styled ‘democracy’ abroad” or engaging in “nation-building.”99 ACDA’s place within the Iran Lobby network can be discerned from a look at key figures among its leadership boards, website links to other Iran Lobby entities and posted statements by its associates that scoff at evidence of the Tehran regime’s pursuit of nuclear weapons and involvement in supporting terrorist militias in Iraq

The ACDA links with NIAC’s Trita Parsi also include a November 14, 2007 event at the Nixon Center that was co-sponsored by ACDA and featured a panel discussion about U.S. foreign policy towards Iran. Panelists included Philip Giraldi and Trita Parsi. The event was posted on the personal website of Michael D. Ostrolenk, ACDA President and Board Member. Ostrolenk’s homepage also highlights an October 17, 2007 discussion with Trita Parsi about his then just-released book, Treacherous Alliance.105

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Philip Giraldi, a former CIA Officer, is a fellow with the American Conservative Defense Alliance
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...other current key people -

Donald Devine,Director, Office of Personnel Management, 1981-85
Bruce Fein, Ron Paul's 2012 Campaign Legal adviser, Former Reagan lawyer
Thomas Gale Moore, Economist, Council of Economic Advisers, 1985-89
William Niskanen, Chairman of the Cato Institute
Richard Viguerie, Conservative activist

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Americans for Tax Reform:

Fiscal conservative interest group, headed by Grover Norquist, which opposes all tax increases and advocates a flat tax; rates legislators on compliance with its key issue votes; Advisory Committee and Supporting Member, Congressional Internet Caucus
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Its founder and president is Grover Norquist, a conservative tax activist. It was founded by Grover Norquist in 1985 at the request of President Ronald Reagan.

Shortly after Bill Clinton's 1992 election, ATR headquarters became the site of a weekly, off-the-record get-together of conservatives to coordinate activities and strategy. The "Wednesday Meeting" of the Leave Us Alone Coalition soon became an important hub of conservative political organizing. Participants each week include Republican congressional leaders, right-leaning think tanks, conservative advocacy groups and K Street lobbyists. George W. Bush began sending a representative to the Wednesday Meeting even before he formally announced his candidacy for president in 1999, and continued to send representatives after his election in 2000.[16]

ATR has helped to establish regular meetings for conservatives nationwide, modeled after the Wednesday meetings in Washington, with the goal of creating a nationwide network of conservative activists to help support initiatives such as tax cuts and deregulation. There are now meetings in 48 states[17] and more internationally, with meetings in Canada, Austria, Belgium, Croatia, France, Italy, Japan, Spain, and the United Kingdom.[18]

According to an investigative report from the Senate Indian Affairs Committee on the Jack Abramoff scandal, released in June 2006, ATR served as a "conduit" for funds that flowed from Abramoff's clients to finance surreptitiously grass-roots lobbying campaigns.[27] Records show that donations from the Choctaw and Kickapoo tribes to ATR were coordinated in part by Abramoff, and in some cases preceded meetings between the tribes and the White House.[27][28]

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Free Congress Foundation:

Found by Paul Weyrich in 1974 after serving as President of the Heritage Foundation for a number of years and considered one of the most influential men in US politics.

The Free Congress Foundation’s history as an active voice on behalf of conservative ideas and principles reaches back to its founding in 1977 by the late Paul Weyrich.

The foundation won early national prominence and played an important role in organizing and driving coordinated political action by modern conservatives.

Powered over the years by the financial support of a broad range of donors, FCF has had significant impact on public policy issues of importance to all Americans.

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The Free Congress Foundation (or Free Congress Research and Education Foundation or FCF for short), is a conservative think tank founded by Colorado beer magnate Joseph Coors and led by Paul M. Weyrich. It evolved from the Committee for the Survival of a Free Congress and the Free Congress Research and Education Foundation. A group affiliated with the FCF is the Free Congress Political Action Committee. The organization publishes Empowerment!.

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No one has said, "What will fill this coming vacuum?" No one has developed a strategy for the transition from Washington to localism.

Such thoughts are not common in today's world of Federal power and Federal money. It takes a specific worldview even to ask such a seemingly utopian question.

Ron Paul has such a worldview. So do his followers.

As for training materials, they already exist. Paul Weyrich's Free Congress Foundation developed them three decades ago: the Kasten system. This system of local mobilization got Bob Kasten elected to Congress in 1974 and to the Senate in 1980.

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While in Rep. Paul's office, I also worked closely with the Free Congress Foundation's Coalition for Constitutional Liberties and its 800 member organizations to educate the public on the privacy implications of KYC. It was this coalition that generated most of the comments to the regulators--many through the Libertarian Party's DefendYourPrivacy.com web site. I have teamed up with Free Congress to double our efforts for privacy and against KYC. We are leading the initiative against the global KYC initiative. Our coalition and letter by forty-three organizations (http://www.freecongress.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) are credited with forcing the Bush administration to review their policies.

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The Future of Freedom Foundation (FFF):

Founded in 1989 in Denver, Colorado, by Richard M. Ebeling and Jacob G. Hornberger, both with ties to the Foundation for Economic Education....and who sits on the board?

BOARD OF TRUSTEES:
Harold Luhnow, president of William Volker & Company
A.C. Mattei, president of Honolulu Oil Corporation
Charles White, president of the Republic Steel Corporation
Donaldson Brown, former vice-president of General Motors
Jasper Crane, former vice president of Du Pont
B.E. Hutchinson, chairman of the finance committee of Chrysler Corporation
W.C. Mullendore, president of the Southern California Edison Company

Foundation for Economic Freedom:

Established to study and advance classical liberalism, the Foundation for Economic Education (FEE) is the oldest free-market organization in the United States.[2][1][3][4][5][6][7] Murray Rothbard recognized FEE for creating a "crucial open center" that he credits with launching the movement.

In 1946, FEE was founded by Leonard Read of the Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce, Donaldson Brown of General Motors Corporation, Professors Leo Wolman of Columbia University and Fred R. Fairchild of Yale University, Henry Hazlitt of the New York Times, Claude Robinson of Opinion Research Corporation, and David Goodrich of B. F. Goodrich.[15][16][17][9][5][7][2] The William Volker Fund was instrumental in subsidizing FEE's establishment.

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Lawrence W. Fertig (b. 1898 – d. 1986) was an American advertising executive and a libertarian journalist and economic commentator.

Fertig wrote columns for the New York World-Telegram and the New York Sun.[1] Fertig also wrote the 1961 Regnery Press offering, Prosperity Through Freedom.

He was the founder of Lawrence Fertig & Company, a New York advertising and marketing firm.[1] The Hoover Institution maintains an archive of Fertig's papers at their Stanford, California location.

After attending the 1944 Bretton Woods conference on behalf of Scripps-Howard newspapers, Fertig authored a weekly column on financial matters, something that he would continue until the collapse of the New York World Journal Tribune in the late 1960s.[3] He was on the board of trustees of the Foundation for Economic Education's monthly journal, The Freeman.

Fertig, who was a member of the NYU board of trustees, was instrumental in supporting his friend Ludwig von Mises[5] when the economist fled Europe to the United States during the rise of the Third Reich,[6] even going so far as to pay part of Mises' salary himself[7] when Mises began teaching at Fertig's alma mater. Referring to Mises' visiting professorship at NYU, economist Murray Rothbard stated that

NYU’s support for Mises was grudging, and only came about because advertising executive and NYU alumnus Lawrence Fertig, an economic journalist and close friend of Mises and Hazlitt, exerted considerable influence at the university.[8]

The Mises Institute, founded in 1982 in honor of Ludwig von Mises, credits Fertig as being instrumental in its creation and development.[9] The institute offers a Lawrence Fertig memorial prize to the author whose work "best advances economic science in the Austrian tradition."[10]

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[patriotsaint]

This is the most comical thread I have ever seen. I'll add my 2 cents and then I'm out.

1. "There is rampant among us a spirit of criticism. Perhaps it is a part of the age in which we live. We are constantly exposed to the writings of newspaper columnists and the opinions of radio and television commentators. Their major objective, it seems to me, is to find fault. They are critical, sometimes viciously so. They are critical of political figures. They are critical of church leaders. None of us is perfect; all of us occasionally make mistakes. There was only one perfect individual who ever walked the earth. Men and women who carry heavy responsibility do not need criticism, they need encouragement. One can disagree with policy without being disagreeable concerning the policymaker." Gordon B. Hinckley

2. "Wo unto them that turn aside the just for a thing of naught and revile against that which is good, and say that it is of no worth!" 2 Nephi 28:16

Ron Paul is not perfect, but he has accomplished much. I'm not going to argue point for point through 10 pages of nonsense, but those that can't see the good he has done are blind and should stop trying to lead other blind folks into the ditch.

And 3....2....1......flame on!

[Jason]

The Reader's Digest Condensed version - Part II of the foundations and institutes....

Brookings Institution:

Brookings Institution is a tax-exempt think tank created in 1916 as the Institute for Government Research by a group of business leaders and academics led by St. Louis timber and mining executive Robert Brookings, who later served on the War Industries Board. The IGR was founded to provide research and expertise to help restructure government agencies in accord with modern business methods, in order to promote administrative competence and government efficiency. During the Depression Brookings took on government and corporate research contracts. Renamed in 1927, the Brookings Institution established itself as a conservative think tank supported by industry and critical of the New Deal social programs, which were seen as replacing free enterprise with central authority.

After the second world war, Brookings supported the Marshall Plan and an active U.S. presence in the world, and by the 1960s had a reputation as a liberal think tank, but Brookings income flowed from Rockefeller and Ford Foundation grants and corporate contributions. By the mid-1980s, in keeping with the Democratic Party and other "liberal" institutions, Brookings positioned itself back in the "center" of the political spectrum again. In the 1980s Brookings studies called for government budget cutbacks, corporate competitiveness, and national security. In the 1990s Brookings studies promoted market-based incentives to replace regulation, increases in military spending, and "free" trade. In 1995, Michael Armacost, a U.S. State Department official under Reagan, became the president of Brookings.

Brookings board of trustees includes the corporate CEOs and directors of AT&T, Fremont Group (Bechtel), Booz Allen & Hamilton, Kissinger Associates, Human Genome Sciences, Inc., Johnson Capital Partners, State Farm, Aetna, Times Mirror, the Las Vegas Sun newspaper, Heinz Family Philanthropies, ARCO, Chase Manhattan, USAirways, Bank of America, Levi Strauss, as well as Robert S. McNamara (former president of the World Bank) and James D. Wolfensohn (the current president of the World Bank). Brookings trustees also include directors and trustees of foundations, hospitals, and universities, including Johns Hopkins University, University of Chicago Law School, Harvard, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the University of Pennsylvania, the Doris Duke Charitable Foundation, and the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation.

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Heritage Foundation:

The Heritage Foundation, founded in 1973 with funding from ultraconservative sources including Scaife and Coors, is a think tank whose mission is "to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense." Heritage produces articles, lectures, conferences, and briefings for Congress, Congressional staff, executive branch policymakers, the news media, and academia.

U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich called the Heritage Foundation "the most far-reaching conservative organization in the country in the war of ideas," and U.S. House Majority Leader Dick Armey said "when conservatives on Capitol Hill are looking to turn ideas into legislation, the first place they go is The Heritage Foundation." Two-thirds of the Heritage Foundation's 1981 policy recommendations to President Reagan were adopted.

The Center's national advisory board includes William F. Buckley Jr., conservative journalists Mary Lou Forbes, Paul Greenberg, and Charles Krauthammer, and several professors of journalism. Heritage claims its more than 200,000 members make it "the most broadly supported think tank in America." Heritage Foundation had income of $43 million in 1998; two-thirds of it from individuals, 26 percent from foundations, and 4 percent from corporations. Amway, Joseph Coors, Pfizer, John M. Olin Foundation, and the Sarah Scaife Foundation are recent funders of the Heritage Foundation's work.

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The Heritage Foundation has been home to some of the nation's most influential neo-conservative voices, especially in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The Foundation has since lost some of its luster, as some of its leading voices have graduated to other influential government and non-government careers. Still, the Foundation remains a conservative voice in Washington and around the world.

Meanwhile, there was also a connection between Heritage and the Rev Sun Myung Moon (founder of the Moonies). This first appeared in a 1975 congressional investigation on the Korean Central Intelligence Agency (KCIA) activities in the US.

The report noted, "In 1975, Ed Feulner ... was introduced to KCIA station chief Kim Yung Hwan by Neil Salonen and Dan Feffernan of the Freedom Leadership foundation".

Salonen was head of Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church in the United States. The Freedom Leadership Foundation (FLF), a political arm of Moon's Unification network, was linked to the World Anti- Communist League.

In the early 1980s, the KCIA began making donations to Heritage Foundation. In turn, Heritage established an Asian Studies Center.

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Paul Weyrich is considered by conservative Powers That Be as the most powerful man in American politics today. Weyrich allegedly founded the immensely influential conservative think tank, Heritage Foundation, in 1973 with funding from Joseph Coors of the Coors beer empire and Richard Mellon-Scaife, heir of the Carnegie-Mellon fortune. (2)

Over the past 25 years, Heritage has also been funded by private foundations such as Pew Charitable Trust which also funded many GOALS 2000 initiatives. William Greider's bestseller, Who Will Tell the People: The Betrayal of American Democracy reveals other benefactors: "Not withstanding its role as 'populist' spokesman, Weyrich's organization, for instance, has received grants from Amoco, General Motors, Chase Manhattan Bank [David Rockefeller] and right-wing foundations like Olin and Bradley." (3)

Paul Weyrich served as President of Heritage Foundation until 1974 when he founded the Committee for the Survival of a Free Congress (which he heads today as the Free Congress Foundation). Heritage Foundation guided the Reagan administration during its period of transition and Joe Coors served in the President's "Kitchen Cabinet." During its first year, the Reagan administration adopted fully two-thirds of the recommendations of Heritage's Mandate for Leadership: Policy Management in a Conservative Administration.

John Saloma's Ominous Politics, refers to Heritage as a "shadow government" noting that "[Heritage President] (Edwin) Feulner also served on the Reagan transition executive committee (fourteen other Heritage staff and board members also had transition appointments), but declined to join the administration."

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Back around 1988, Rockefeller and an assistant -- the son of a very famous foreign policy expert -- interviewed Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Foundation. He wanted to know which figures in the conservative movement were hostile to him. Weyrich mentioned the John Birch Society. "Who else?" he asked. "The hard- money movement," Weyrich replied. "What's that?" Rockefeller asked. The assistant said, "I'll brief you later."

Rockefeller was intrigued. "Who are they?" Weyrich mentioned me and Larry Abraham. (Thanks, Paul. He blew our cover.) "What are they saying?" Weyrich accurately replied: "They are saying that you and your big business colleagues are making deals behind the Iron Curtain, so that when full trade resumes, you will already be set up there."

Weyrich reported to me and to Abraham that Rockefeller replied, "They're right," and then went on at some length to describe their efforts. Within a few months, the Berlin Wall went down. In 1991, the USSR committed suicide.

All I am saying here is this: For a man still at the top of the pinnacle of influence, he has remained out of touch with respect to the American Right, which is among his greatest enemies, along with the American Communists -- defunct for over 20 years -- and some fringe groups on the Left.

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Hoover Institute:

The Hoover Institution is a conservative think tank founded in 1919 as a center for advanced study in domestic and international affairs, supporting conservative scholars, sponsoring conferences, publishing books and articles, and producing television and radio programs.

The Hoover Institution says it "strives to conceive and disseminate ideas defining a free society, involving the study of politics, economics, and their interrelationships (that is, political economy) within the United States and other countries." The Hoover Institution describes its work in terms of the rule of law and property rights; promoting the idea of society based on individualism rather than classes; government performance in terms of accountability to society; economic growth and tax policy; and international rivalries and global cooperation with respect to security, trade and commerce, and the rule of law.

Former Speaker of the U.S. House Newt Gingrich and former U.S. Secretary of State (and corporate insider) George Schultz are research fellows at Hoover. Other Hoover scholars include national security and Pentagon officials like William Perry, Richard Allen, and Bobby Inman. "Honorary Fellows" include Ronald Reagan, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, and Margaret Thatcher.

Like other ultraconservative think tanks such as the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, and the Hudson Institute (see the separate profiles for these organizations), the Hoover Institution is funded by the ultraconservative foundations such as John M. Olin, Lilly, Smith Richardson, Carthage, and Scaife.

Hoover's "board of overseers" includes the Archer Daniels Midland chairman Dwayne Andreas, Texas oilman Robert Bass, Seattle television personality Jean Enersen, Herbert Hoover III, David Packard of military and electronics giant Hewlitt-Packard, former U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Mellon oil heir and ultraconservative philanthropist Richard M. Scaife, and free-market guru and former U.S. Treasury Secretary William E. Simon.

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A number of Hoover Institution fellows had connections to or held positions in the Bush administration and other Republican administrations. High-profile conservatives Edwin Meese, Condoleezza Rice, George Shultz, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, and Amy Zegart are all Hoover Institution fellows.

The Hoover Institution Press also publishes the bimonthly periodical Policy Review, which it acquired from the Heritage Foundation in 2001.

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The Bilderberg Group:

The Bilderberg is a private annual gathering for the politically and corporate influential. The Bilderberg has no formal purpose, but provides a secure annual venue for frank discussion and consensus-building among corporate and government leaders. The first Bilderberg meeting, in 1954, was organized by Joseph Retinger, Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, and representatives from Unilever, Harriman, Morgan, Rockefeller, and other corporations.

The core group consists of the chairman and a steering committee and an advisory group. Long-time members of the Bilderberg steering committee and advisory group include the CEO of Xerox, former members of the U.S. Department of State (including George Ball, William Bundy, and Henry Kissinger), the former prime minister of Portugal, the former secretary-general of NATO, media baron Conrad Black, Vernon Jordan (director of many corporations), Marie-Josée Kravis (nee Drouin; Hudson Institute), David Rockefeller, Renato Ruggiero (former head of the WTO), Jack Sheinkman (former head of the AFL-CIO Amalgamated Textile Workers Union), Peter D. Sutherland (GATT, European Commission, Goldman Sachs, BP Amoco), James D. Wolfensohn (World Bank)

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American Enterprise Institute:

Founded by William J. Baroody and Milton Friedman in 1943.
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The American Enterprise Institute is a think-tank founded in 1943 which promotes "free markets, free trade, a vigilant defense, and individual freedom and responsibility." AEI is "dedicated to preserving and strengthening the foundations of a free [sic] society-limited government, competitive private enterprise, vital cultural and political institutions, and vigilant defense-through rigorous inquiry, debate, and writing."

AEI is governed by 26 trustees including corporate and Pentagon insider Dick Cheney and executives from major corporations including State Farm Insurance, Motorola, American Express, Enron, Alcoa, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, and Dow Chemical. AEI officers include Samuel P. Huntington (Harvard professor, member of National Security Council, architect of forced urbanization in Vietnam, author of Trilateral Commission report on "excess democracy"), former U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and economist Murray L. Weidenbaum, architect of deregulation under Reagan.

AEI and the Brookings Institution operate a Joint Center for Regulatory Studies (JCRS) with the purpose of holding lawmakers and regulators "accountable for their decisions by providing thoughtful, objective analyses of existing regulatory programs and new regulatory proposals." The JCRS pushes for cost-benefit analysis of regulations, which fits with AEI's ultimate goal of deregulation.

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Among the better known figures based at the institute are several former George W. Bush administration officials and advisors who were key promoters of the “war on terror” policies put in place after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, including John Bolton, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, John Yoo, and David Frum. President Bush highlighted the enormous influence the institute had in his administration during a January 2003 speech at an AEI dinner celebrating neoconservative forefather Irving Kristol. After commending AEI for having "some of the finest minds in our nation," the president said, "You do such good work that my administration has borrowed 20 such minds."

Founded in 1943, AEI is one of the oldest policy institutes in Washington. AEI traces its origins to a New York City-based business association called the American Enterprise Association (AEA), which was founded in 1938 and soon after World War II opened a Washington office to lobby against government intervention in the domestic economy. AEA, which brought together some of the country's largest corporate firms, substituted "institute" for "association" and became one of the nation's first policy think tanks. Lewis Brown, president of Johns-Manville Corp., was the principal figure behind AEA, which from its beginning had a strong pro-business posture. Like the AEA, AEI is dedicated to the "maintenance of the system of free, competitive enterprise."18

One of the institute's earliest supporters on Capitol Hill was Gerald Ford, who as a congressional representative praised the institute in 1950, beginning what AEI describes as a "long and happy relationship with the president-to-be." A key figure in AEI's early history was William Baroody, who joined AEI as president in 1954 and was responsible for bringing some of the country's most conservative economists into the institute, including Milton Friedman and Paul McCracken.

With the emergence of several new conservative think tanks, including the Heritage Foundation and Cato Institute, AEI's influence appeared to diminish. Despite this, President Ronald Reagan in 1988 acknowledged the institute's pervasive influence in spearheading the "Reagan Revolution." According to Reagan, "The American Enterprise Institute stands at the center of a revolution in ideas of which I, too, have been a part. AEI's remarkably distinguished body of work is testimony to the triumph of the think tank. For today the most important American scholarship comes out of our think tanks—and none has been more influential than the American Enterprise Institute."

AEI headquarters are located in a building on Washington's 17th Street that is a warren of right-wing operations. Before it shuttered most of its operations in 2006, the Project for the New American Century had its offices there. Several PNAC principals, including Gerecht, Bruce Jackson, Gary Schmitt, and Tom Donnelly, moved from PNAC to AEI. Also located in the same building are the offices of the Weekly Standard, which often serves as a favored outlet for AEI scholars. The Philanthropy Roundtable, the rightist association of foundations that split off from the Council of Foundations in the early 1980s, also found a home in the AEI building.

The membership of AEI's board of trustees reveals the institute's strong ties to the corporate community. Members include Bruce Kovner (Caxton Associates), John Faraci (International Paper), Raymond Gilmartin (formerly of Merck), Harvey Golub (formerly of American Express), Roger Hertog (formerly of Alliance Capital Management), Mel Sembler (Sembler Company), William Stavropoulos (Dow Chemical), and Wilson Taylor (CIGNA), among many others.33 Over the past several decades, AEI's board of trustees has included representatives of scores of the nation's top corporations, including Rockwell, Amoco, Hewlett Packard, Exxon Mobil, Texas Instruments, Eli Lilly, and Citicorp. Former board members include Dick Cheney (whose wife Lynne is an AEI fellow), then at Halliburton, and Kenneth Lay of Enron.

Among the many corporate contributors to AEI is the Walton Family Foundation, which was founded by the same family that started Wal-Mart. According to the New York Times, Wal-Mart "has discovered a reliable ally: prominent conservative research groups like the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, and the Manhattan Institute.”

Major donors include the heavy hitters of the conservative foundation world: the Smith Richardson Foundation, the Olin Foundation, the Scaife Foundation, and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, as well as smaller right-wing foundations such as Carthage, Earhart, and Castle Rock.

According to People for the American Way, corporate donors to AEI have included the General Electric Foundation, Amoco, Kraft, Ford Motor Company Fund, General Motors Foundation, Eastman Kodak Foundation, Metropolitan Life Foundation, Procter & Gamble Fund, Shell Companies Foundation, Chrysler Corporation, Charles Stewart Mott Foundation, General Mills Foundation, Pillsbury Company Foundation, Prudential Foundation, American Express Foundation, AT&T Foundation, Corning Glass Works Foundation, Morgan Guarantee Trust, Alcoa Foundation, and PPG Industries.

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The Cato Institute:

The Cato Institute is a think tank dedicated to "promoting public policy based on individual liberty, limited government, free markets, and peace." It was founded in 1977 by petroleum millionaire and libertarian Charles Koch and Edward Crane of the Alliance Capital Management.

Cato sponsors an annual monetary conference, which has been attended by Federal Reserve Board chairman Alan Greenspan and others from the regional Federal reserve Banks, U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers, International Monetary Fund first deputy managing director Stanley Fischer, and Harvard professor Jeffrey Sachs, author of "shock therapy" economic restructuring programs.

Cato opposes laws discriminating against gays. It promotes the legalization of drugs, and opposes censorship of pornography. Cato's opposition to government intervention led it to oppose U.S. military action in the Persian Gulf and Bosnia. But libertarian positions on various issues does not mean that the Cato Institute does not support corporate power. In the absence of civil authority, eliminating government regulation and government programs simply means that corporate power is unchecked.

Most of the funding comes from conservative foundations such as Sarah Scaife and John M. Olin.

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The Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1977 by Edward H. Crane, who remains president and CEO, and Charles Koch, chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the conglomerate Koch Industries, Inc., the second largest privately held company by revenue in the United States.[3][4]

Libertarian economist Murray Rothbard was a core member of Cato's founding group and coined the institute's name. Rothbard served on its board until leaving in 1981.[25]

Still, some critics have accused Cato of being too tied to corporate funders, especially during the 1990s. Such critics report that Cato received funding from Philip Morris and other tobacco companies during this period and that at one point Rupert Murdoch served on the boards of directors of both Cato and Philip Morris.[85]

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In 2010, the Cato Institute reported support by some 60 plus foundations[76] including:

Atlantic Philanthropies
Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation
Earhart Foundation
JM Foundation, founded by businessman Jeremiah Milbank
John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation
Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation
Castle Rock Foundation (formerly known as The Coors Foundation)
Scaife Foundations (Sarah Mellon Scaife, Carthage)
Ford Foundation
Ploughshares Fund
Marijuana Policy Project

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Rockefeller Foundation:

The Rockefeller Foundation is a prominent philanthropic organization and private foundation based at 420 Fifth Avenue, New York City. The preeminent institution established by the six-generation Rockefeller family, it was founded by John D. Rockefeller ("Senior"), along with his son John D. Rockefeller, Jr. ("Junior"), and Senior's principal business and philanthropic advisor, Frederick Taylor Gates, in New York State May 14, 1913, when its charter was formally accepted by the New York State Legislature.[3] Its central historical mission is "to promote the well-being of mankind throughout the world."

Developed and funded various German eugenics programs, including the one that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz.

Although it is no longer the largest foundation by assets, the Rockefeller Foundation's pre-eminent legacy ranks it among the most influential NGOs in the world.

The foundation has provided significant and often substantial research grants to finance conferences and assist with published studies, as well as funding departments and programs, to a vast range of foreign policy and educational organizations, including: Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA) in London; Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington; Brookings Institution in Washington; World Bank in Washington; Economic Development Institute; Harvard University; Yale University; Princeton University; Columbia University; McGill University; Montreal Neurological Institute; Group of Thirty - In 1978 the Foundation invited Geoffrey Bell to set up this high-powered and influential advisory group on global financial issues, whose current chairman is a longtime Rockefeller associate Paul Volcker.

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Ludwig von Mises Institute:

Founded by Llewellyn Rockwell, Jr. in 1982 after serving as Ron Paul's Chief of Staff for 4 years. The Institute's stated goal is to "undermine statism*** in all its forms". Rockwell credits Rothbard with convincing him to reject statism completely:

"It was clear to me at the time that Murray Rothbard was Mises's successor, and I followed his writings carefully. I first met him in 1975, and knew immediately that he was a kindred spirit.... I cannot remember the day that I finally came around to the position that the state is unnecessary and destructive by its nature – that it cannot improve on, and indeed only destroys, the social and economic system that grows out of property rights, exchange, and natural social authority – but I do know that it was Rothbard who finally convinced me to take this last step."

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Many readers may be surprised to learn the extent to which the Graduate Institute and then Mises himself in the years immediately after he came to United States were kept afloat financially through generous grants from the Rockefeller Foundation. In fact, for the first years of Mises’s life in the United States, before his appointment as a visiting professor in the Graduate School of Business Administration at New York University (NYU) in 1945, he was almost totally dependent on annual research grants from the Rockefeller Foundation. Even after he finally landed the position at NYU, where he remained only a visiting professor until his retirement in 1969, his salary was paid for not by NYU, but from funds contributed by generous private supporters.

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Hayek’s teacher Wieser had been the main contact of the Rockefeller Foundation among the academic economists in Vienna. After 1926, when he succeeded Wieser as the main contact of the Rockefeller Foundation in Vienna, Mises had the opportunity to provide or withhold material benefits.

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***Statism (French; étatisme) is a term used by political scientists to describe the belief that, for whatever reason, a government should control either economic or social policy or both to some degree.

Project for New American Century:

The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle.

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Project for The New American Century info and sources
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Mont Pelerin Society:

Founded in 1947 in Mont Pelerin, Switzerland by Frederich von Hayek. The stated objective of the Mont Pelerin Society is to strengthen the principles and practices of the free society by encouraging market-oriented economic systems with minimal and dispersed government as opposed to government regulation of industry.

In 1947, 39 scholars, mostly economists, with some historians and philosophers, were invited by Professor Friedrich Hayek to meet at Mont Pelerin, Switzerland, and discuss the state, and possible fate of classical liberalism and to combat the "state ascendancy and Marxist or Keynesian planning [that was]sweeping the globe". Invitees included Henry Simons (who would later train Milton Friedman, a future president of the society, at the University of Chicago); the American former-Fabian socialist Walter Lippmann; Viennese Aristotelian Society leader Karl Popper; fellow Austrian School economist Ludwig von Mises; Sir John Clapham, a senior official of the Bank of England who from 1940-6 was the president of the British Royal Society; Otto von Habsburg, the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne; and Max von Thurn und Taxis, Bavaria-based head of the 400-year-old Venetian Thurn und Taxis family.

Milton Friedman was president of the Mont Pelerin Society from 1970-1972. Edwin Feulner, president of the Heritage Foundation, was president of the Mont Pelerin Society from 1996-1998 and is currently the Senior Vice President.

The American membership of the MPS has included, besides Milton and Rose Friedman and the late journalist Walter Lippmann [CFR], influential conservatives affiliated with the Heritage Foundation: Michael Novak [CFR/American Enterprise Institute], Thomas Sowell [Hoover Institution] and Deepak Lal [Cato Institute]. Anther member of the Mont Pelerin Society is former CNP member Dr. John A. Howard, president of The Rockford Institute, Senior Fellow of the Howard Center for Family, Religion & Society and a member of The Bohemian Club.

Over a dozen of the scholars who could not previously get a job, a review, or a book deal would go on to win the "Nobel Prize in Economics" (this "epic" story will be told separately). More importantly, the Mont Pelerin Society would itself beget 500 foundations and organizations in nearly 80 countries... again with strategic contributions from Mr. Anonymous.

Initiated at Mont Pelerin and copying the FEE, the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) was created in London in 1955. Serving as a conduit for both cash and "ideas", the IEA set about the task of "rejuvenating" the dead and decaying British Tories. By 1985, the "Iron Lady", Margaret Thatcher, would positively gush on the occasion of the Institute's 30th Anniversary: "You created the atmosphere which made our victory possible... May I say how thankful we are to those who joined your great endeavor. They were the few, but they were right, and they saved Britain." With that, the IEA begat the Atlas Economic Research Foundation, which in turn created a network of over 50 "think-tanks" in more than 30 countries.

And what were the scale of these efforts? John Blundell, the head of the IEA, in a speech to the Heritage Foundation, and Atlas in 1990, would identify a rare failure in the Society's efforts. Shaking his head at the abortive attempt to subsidize academic "Chairs of Free Enterprise" in dozens of countries throughout the world, Blundell complained about wasting, "hundreds of millions, perhaps one billion dollars". This was just one initiative among many.

William Volker Fund:

The William Volker Fund was a charitable foundation established in 1932 by Kansas City, Missouri, businessman and home-furnishings mogul William Volker.

In 1932, Volker set aside half of his fortune into the William Volker Charities Fund.[7] The fund’s articles of incorporation claimed it would “care for the sick, aged and helpless”; “provide means and facilities for the physical, mental, moral and spiritual betterment of persons”; “improve living and working conditions”; and provide “education and educational facilities” (209-210).[1]

When William Volker died in 1947, his nephew Harold W. Luhnow took control of William Volker & Co. and also became the head of the William Volker Charities Fund’s board of directors.[2] Under the Luhnow’s administration the fund shifted its focus away from charities in the Kansas City area and began pursuing a number of strategies for increasing the acceptance of Old Right and Austrian economics thought in the United States.

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When William Volker died in 1947, his will added $15 million of his assets to the already sizable William Volker Charities Fund.[3] Luhnow took primary control of the trust. He also took control the William Volker & Co. In 1952, Luhnow moved the headquarters of the fund and the company to Burlingame, California.[4]

Luhnow used Volker Fund assets to support bringing schools associated wit the Austrian School of economics to U.S. institutions. He "paid [Ludwig von] Mises's salary at New York University; he paid F. A. Hayek's salary at the University of Chicago; he funded lectures that Milton and Rose Friedman turned into Capitalism and Freedom and he approved the grant that enabled Murray Rothbard to write Man, Economy and State. As early as 1946, Luhnow earmarked Volker Fund money to support Leonard Read and agreed to fund the establishment the Foundation for Economic Education, which became the first major post-war libertarian think-tank.[5] By the late 1950s, Luhnow had led the Fund to provide critical support for a host of political groups, including the Intercollegiate Studies Institute and the Institute for Humane Studies. In the 1960s Luhnow's leadership of the Fund became more and more erratic until he eventually fired most of its staff and much of the Volker Fund's remaining assets were given to the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

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The William Volker Fund also launched a number of Libertarian think tanks, foremost among them the “Hoover Institution for War, Revolution and Peace.”

“In addition to its own activities, the Volker Fund helped fund the formation of various complementary institutions, including the Intercollegiate Society of Individualists (ISI), which was later renamed Intercollegiate Studies Institute; the Foundation for Economic Education (FEE); the Earhart Foundation; and the Relm Foundation. According to observers such as John Blundell of the Mont Pelerin Society, the William Volker Fund’s strategic successor on its expiration was the F.A. Harper’s Institute for Humane Studies. In 1963, most the Volker Fund’s activities were transferred to a new Center for American Studies (CAS), which proved short-lived and closed late in 1964. A decade later, the Volker Fund’s remaining money, amounting to about seven million dollars, went to the Hoover Institution. The Fund’s files have disappeared.” (William Volker Fund)

The official story is that Hoover Institution was founded by Herbert Hoover with $50K, although $7 million in funding would later arrive from the Volker Fund. What is also usually not mentioned is that (1) the Hoover Institution was heavily involved with the Eugenics societies of that day and (2) Herbert Hoover’s implementation of free market, laissez faire ‘do nothing’ economics prolonged the misery of the Great Depression.

“In 1919 the Hoover Institution was founded at Stanford University, Palo Alto, California with a donation of $50,000 from Herbert Hoover… Herbert Hoover founded the Hoover Institution at the suggestion of three men, Andrew Dickson White, (S&B 1853), Daniel Coit Gilman, (S&B 1852) and Ray Lyman Wilbur, president of Stanford… In 1921 the Second International Congress of Eugenics is held in New York City. The sponsoring committee includes Herbert Hoover and the presidents of Clark University, Smith College and the Carnegie Institute of Washington (Rockefeller)… Among the notables in attendance were future President Herbert Hoover, Alexander Graham Bell, (the Congress’s honorary president), conservationist and future Governor of Pennsylvania, Gifford Pinchot, (S&B 1889) and Leonard Darwin, son of Charles Darwin.” (“The History of Health”)

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[Original_Intent]

...and the wrap-up (currently WIP)....

The World Order controls the citizens of the United States through the tax exempt foundations. These foundations create and implement government policy through their staff members in key positions in the executive, legislative and judiciary departments. The foundations create educational policy through their staff members in key positions at every level of the educational system. The foundations control religious doctrine through their staff members in key positions in the leading religious denominations.

“Foundation” is a misleading term; Webster calls it an endowment, but a foundation is really a trust, which Roget states is a “syndicate”. If, instead of Rockefeller Foundation, we were to say Rockefeller Syndicate, we would be much closer to the truth. Alpheus T. Mason, in his biography of justice Brandeis, quotes Brandeis as pointing out that “Socialism has been developed largely by the power of individual trusts.” What we have then, are criminal syndicates masquerading as philanthropic enterprises while they inflict Socialist world slavery on nations and peoples for the benefit of the World Order.

Norman Dodd, director of research for the Reece Committee in its attempt to investigate tax exempt foundations, was asked by Congressman B. Carroll Reece in January, 1954, “Do you accept the premise that the United States is the victim of a conspiracy ?” “Yes,” said Dodd. “Then,” said Congressman Reece, “you must conduct the investigation on that basis.” B.E. Hutchinson, chairman of Chrysler Corp., although approving the goals of the investigation, warned Dodd, “If you proceed as you have outlined, you will be killed.”

The New York Times noted April 29, 1984 that 1400 officials were attending the annual meeting of the Council on Foundations. There were 21,697 foundations in the U.S., which in 1983 distributed $3.4 billion in grants. These grants are dispensed only to those who implement the program of the World Order, and whose goal is world slavery.

The international banking families, whose origins go back to the Middle Ages, set up the principal American foundations to protect the wealth they had amassed in their dealings in slaves, drugs and gold, and to perpetuate that wealth through means which can only be described as “imperial decrees”, government charters, in order to neutralize all potential rivals or opposition by controlling them and directing or misdirecting their opposition.

None of the charters of the foundations indicate their real purpose. They are replete with such phrases as “the well-being of mankind” “the elimination of poverty”, the “elimination of disease, “the promotion of world brotherhood”. Compassion, caring, charity, these are the watchwords of the foundations. There is no hint to the unwary of the despotic instincts which drive these “caring” people to promote world wars and world slavery, nor is there any warning to the menials of the foundations that if they falter at any time in their dedication to the goals of the World Order, the penalty is sudden death.

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http://iamthewitness.com/books/Eustace. ... 0Order.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Let's be Realistic about Ron Paul - Ron Paul is a dream-come- true for corporations who want free trade unrestricted by regulation or taxation
http://www.henrymakow.com/ron_paul.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I read this article - full of non-sequitors and rubbish. Is this the best you got Jason? Of course, it completely ignores the fact that most regulations are written by lobbyists for the industries being regulated, and act more as a barrier of entry to competition rather than actually restraining the industry being "regulated"... It's very difficult to trudge thru pages of links when the first one I look at is so full of tripe. It's obvious you've bought into a paradigm, as have I, I guess time will tell who is correct.

Mr. Anonymous & The Libertarian Movement
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Eyes on the Prize (Sidebar to Mr. Anonymous)
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Alex Jones’ New World Order Agenda
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Finally, in his most surprising statement, he [David Rockefeller] revealed he considers himself a follower of the Austrian school of economics. Friedrich Hayek had been his tutor at the London School of Economics in the 1930s.

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Calling for a global currency
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I have to work but I will try to "deep dive" into some more of this later....the one article I did decide to read...did not impress.

[Jason]

...and the wrap-up (currently WIP)....

The World Order controls the citizens of the United States through the tax exempt foundations. These foundations create and implement government policy through their staff members in key positions in the executive, legislative and judiciary departments. The foundations create educational policy through their staff members in key positions at every level of the educational system. The foundations control religious doctrine through their staff members in key positions in the leading religious denominations.

“Foundation” is a misleading term; Webster calls it an endowment, but a foundation is really a trust, which Roget states is a “syndicate”. If, instead of Rockefeller Foundation, we were to say Rockefeller Syndicate, we would be much closer to the truth. Alpheus T. Mason, in his biography of justice Brandeis, quotes Brandeis as pointing out that “Socialism has been developed largely by the power of individual trusts.” What we have then, are criminal syndicates masquerading as philanthropic enterprises while they inflict Socialist world slavery on nations and peoples for the benefit of the World Order.

Norman Dodd, director of research for the Reece Committee in its attempt to investigate tax exempt foundations, was asked by Congressman B. Carroll Reece in January, 1954, “Do you accept the premise that the United States is the victim of a conspiracy ?” “Yes,” said Dodd. “Then,” said Congressman Reece, “you must conduct the investigation on that basis.” B.E. Hutchinson, chairman of Chrysler Corp., although approving the goals of the investigation, warned Dodd, “If you proceed as you have outlined, you will be killed.”

The New York Times noted April 29, 1984 that 1400 officials were attending the annual meeting of the Council on Foundations. There were 21,697 foundations in the U.S., which in 1983 distributed $3.4 billion in grants. These grants are dispensed only to those who implement the program of the World Order, and whose goal is world slavery.

The international banking families, whose origins go back to the Middle Ages, set up the principal American foundations to protect the wealth they had amassed in their dealings in slaves, drugs and gold, and to perpetuate that wealth through means which can only be described as “imperial decrees”, government charters, in order to neutralize all potential rivals or opposition by controlling them and directing or misdirecting their opposition.

None of the charters of the foundations indicate their real purpose. They are replete with such phrases as “the well-being of mankind” “the elimination of poverty”, the “elimination of disease, “the promotion of world brotherhood”. Compassion, caring, charity, these are the watchwords of the foundations. There is no hint to the unwary of the despotic instincts which drive these “caring” people to promote world wars and world slavery, nor is there any warning to the menials of the foundations that if they falter at any time in their dedication to the goals of the World Order, the penalty is sudden death.

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http://iamthewitness.com/books/Eustace. ... 0Order.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The William S. Volker Fund closed up shop in 1974, secure in the fact that it's "mission" had been taken up by others. The last millions in the Fund were passed on to the ultra-conservative Hoover Institution. What were not passed on were the files of the Volker Fund, which mysteriously disappeared. The entire paper trail documenting where the money had come from, how it was spent and who was "touched" by it, all of this disappeared with a "poof". Three decades after he died, Volker seems to have guaranteed his anonymity in perpetuity and to this day nothing but the vague outlines of this story are known.

Eustace Mullins made the astute observation that the vast multitude of foundations which litter the American landscape are run by foreigners. They are, in fact, anti-American intelligence organizations which perpetuate the Hegelian dialectic – controlled conflict between ‘thesis’ and ‘antithesis’ until the ever increasing level of hostility brings about the desired ‘synthesis.’

The World Order rules through a simple technique: Divide and Conquer (divide et impera). Every natural or unnatural division among people, every occasion for hatred or greed, is exploited and exacerbated to the limit. The polarization of racial and ethnic groups in the U.S. is accelerated by a flood of government decrees, originating in foundation ‘studies’, which are designed solely to set American against American. Only in this way can the World Order maintain its iron grip on the daily lives of the people...

The U.S. Congress has specifically chartered many parasitic functions in the philanthropic foundations. These groups now dominate educational and governmental institutions, laying down financial and social goals which are designed solely to maintain the hegemony of parasitism through its World Order. The American foundations are not even run by Americans; their policies are formulated in London by the financiers and transmitted to this country through the British Army Bureau of Psychological Warfare front Tavistock Institute. This is a typical disguised parasitic operation.
- The World Order, Eustace Mullins

Let's be Realistic about Ron Paul - Ron Paul is a dream-come- true for corporations who want free trade unrestricted by regulation or taxation
http://www.henrymakow.com/ron_paul.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mr. Anonymous & The Libertarian Movement
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0812/S ... vement.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Eyes on the Prize (Sidebar to Mr. Anonymous)
http://www.thebellforum.com/content.php ... -the-Prize" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Alex Jones’ New World Order Agenda
http://libertyrevival.wordpress.com/201 ... er-agenda/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Finally, in his most surprising statement, he [David Rockefeller] revealed he considers himself a follower of the Austrian school of economics. Friedrich Hayek had been his tutor at the London School of Economics in the 1930s.

http://www.mskousen.com/2000/01/intervi ... ckefeller/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Calling for a global currency
http://www.wnd.com/2005/07/31116/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Jason]

...and the wrap-up (currently WIP)....

The World Order controls the citizens of the United States through the tax exempt foundations. These foundations create and implement government policy through their staff members in key positions in the executive, legislative and judiciary departments. The foundations create educational policy through their staff members in key positions at every level of the educational system. The foundations control religious doctrine through their staff members in key positions in the leading religious denominations.

“Foundation” is a misleading term; Webster calls it an endowment, but a foundation is really a trust, which Roget states is a “syndicate”. If, instead of Rockefeller Foundation, we were to say Rockefeller Syndicate, we would be much closer to the truth. Alpheus T. Mason, in his biography of justice Brandeis, quotes Brandeis as pointing out that “Socialism has been developed largely by the power of individual trusts.” What we have then, are criminal syndicates masquerading as philanthropic enterprises while they inflict Socialist world slavery on nations and peoples for the benefit of the World Order.

Norman Dodd, director of research for the Reece Committee in its attempt to investigate tax exempt foundations, was asked by Congressman B. Carroll Reece in January, 1954, “Do you accept the premise that the United States is the victim of a conspiracy ?” “Yes,” said Dodd. “Then,” said Congressman Reece, “you must conduct the investigation on that basis.” B.E. Hutchinson, chairman of Chrysler Corp., although approving the goals of the investigation, warned Dodd, “If you proceed as you have outlined, you will be killed.”

The New York Times noted April 29, 1984 that 1400 officials were attending the annual meeting of the Council on Foundations. There were 21,697 foundations in the U.S., which in 1983 distributed $3.4 billion in grants. These grants are dispensed only to those who implement the program of the World Order, and whose goal is world slavery.

The international banking families, whose origins go back to the Middle Ages, set up the principal American foundations to protect the wealth they had amassed in their dealings in slaves, drugs and gold, and to perpetuate that wealth through means which can only be described as “imperial decrees”, government charters, in order to neutralize all potential rivals or opposition by controlling them and directing or misdirecting their opposition.

None of the charters of the foundations indicate their real purpose. They are replete with such phrases as “the well-being of mankind” “the elimination of poverty”, the “elimination of disease, “the promotion of world brotherhood”. Compassion, caring, charity, these are the watchwords of the foundations. There is no hint to the unwary of the despotic instincts which drive these “caring” people to promote world wars and world slavery, nor is there any warning to the menials of the foundations that if they falter at any time in their dedication to the goals of the World Order, the penalty is sudden death.

http://www.whale.to/b/mullins46.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://iamthewitness.com/books/Eustace. ... 0Order.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Let's be Realistic about Ron Paul - Ron Paul is a dream-come- true for corporations who want free trade unrestricted by regulation or taxation
http://www.henrymakow.com/ron_paul.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I read this article - full of non-sequitors and rubbish. Is this the best you got Jason? Of course, it completely ignores the fact that most regulations are written by lobbyists for the industries being regulated, and act more as a barrier of entry to competition rather than actually restraining the industry being "regulated"... It's very difficult to trudge thru pages of links when the first one I look at is so full of tripe. It's obvious you've bought into a paradigm, as have I, I guess time will tell who is correct.

Mr. Anonymous & The Libertarian Movement
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0812/S ... vement.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Eyes on the Prize (Sidebar to Mr. Anonymous)
http://www.thebellforum.com/content.php ... -the-Prize" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Alex Jones’ New World Order Agenda
http://libertyrevival.wordpress.com/201 ... er-agenda/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Finally, in his most surprising statement, he [David Rockefeller] revealed he considers himself a follower of the Austrian school of economics. Friedrich Hayek had been his tutor at the London School of Economics in the 1930s.

http://www.mskousen.com/2000/01/intervi ... ckefeller/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Calling for a global currency
http://www.wnd.com/2005/07/31116/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have to work but I will try to "deep dive" into some more of this later....the one article I did decide to read...did not impress.

...yeah henry makow has an axe to grind and there is obviously a bias.....but then again I don't see where he's that far off the mark...like statements like this -

In the "conspiracy" media, there is a consensus that: 1) Ron Paul is the last and only hope of America, and 2) The manifold forces of darkness are arrayed against him.

I will not accuse the good doctor of being a secret zionist, freemason, jesuit or interdimensional reptile. I think he has in some respects been a courageous and useful public servant.

I do, however, suppose that Ron Paul - whether he knows it or not - is a perfectly acceptable option, and perhaps favored by some elements of the power elite, to be elected in 2012.

or this one -

Ron Paul has been sponsored and supported not only by the alternative media, but by a network of "Austrian School" think tanks like the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

or this one -

As a young congressman enthralled with Austrian economics, he co-wrote "The Case for Gold" with Lewis Lehrman, a Jewish investment banker who later helped guide everything from the Project for a New American Century to the American Enterprise Institute to George Bush, Jr's Arbusto Energy.

or this one -

Its leading ideologues were Anglo-sponsored "anti-fascist" Jews like Friedrich von Hayek (the tutor of David Rockefeller at the London School of Economics), Ludwig von Mises (who owed his career in America to regular grants and appointments from the Rockefeller Foundation) and Ayn Rand, who popularized Bentham's satanism under the name "objectivism"

...etc etc etc....of course the foundation and support for those statements is all buried in my deep dives....so I can easily see how you would offhandedly dismiss it as rubbish due to the way the article is written as well as your lack of knowledge concerning the details. And the concluding analysis is absolutely spot on imo fwiw...

Look at the world's true "oligarchs." Do they derive their power from TSA body scanners, tear gas and reality TV? Of course not - these are merely used to demoralize the population.

The global oligarchy controls oil and other strategic raw materials (mineral ores, grain, water, etc.), they control multinational corporations, they control locations of geostrategic importance (shipping routes, micro-state "firewalls" like Tibet).

They control multinational banks and investment houses, and they use their monopolies on supply and information to speculate in international futures, stock and currency exchanges.

The "New World Order" is not the overturning of our free-trade, deregulated neoliberal order, but its completion.

The great dream of every Rothschild and Rockefeller is not a global police state, but a universal "free trade" arrangement overseen by a global body. One where national borders proliferate but every national protection - every wage or price standard, regulation, subsidy, tariff or currency control - is removed, where every nation is brought to the lowest common denominator, and where all economic surplus flows to usury, drugs, entertainment, war and other imperial franchises.

A global government of the "free market" and a global currency based not on political considerations but upon an arbitrary resource (like gold) that can be controlled by the Wall Street / industrial cartel complex.

[Jason]

This is the most comical thread I have ever seen. I'll add my 2 cents and then I'm out.

1. "There is rampant among us a spirit of criticism. Perhaps it is a part of the age in which we live. We are constantly exposed to the writings of newspaper columnists and the opinions of radio and television commentators. Their major objective, it seems to me, is to find fault. They are critical, sometimes viciously so. They are critical of political figures. They are critical of church leaders. None of us is perfect; all of us occasionally make mistakes. There was only one perfect individual who ever walked the earth. Men and women who carry heavy responsibility do not need criticism, they need encouragement. One can disagree with policy without being disagreeable concerning the policymaker." Gordon B. Hinckley

2. "Wo unto them that turn aside the just for a thing of naught and revile against that which is good, and say that it is of no worth!" 2 Nephi 28:16

Ron Paul is not perfect, but he has accomplished much. I'm not going to argue point for point through 10 pages of nonsense, but those that can't see the good he has done are blind and should stop trying to lead other blind folks into the ditch.

And 3....2....1......flame on!

LOL...the only flame here is the flame of ignorance....

Now if you want to present some research to the contrary....I'm all ears....also evidence versus gum running is preferred....since we know plenty of politicians who claim one thing but in reality support another like the "christian" Bush family or the supposedly opposed to each other (left vs right politically - Hegelian dialectic) gadiantons who have sworn blood oaths to uphold each other (Skull and Bones)...as well as how it fits or doesn't fit into the predetermined solution.

Links and supporting information would be really nice....

Ignorance is expensive; in fact, it is the most expensive commodity we know anything about. Certainly we make many mistakes through ignorance. If it is a violation of a commandment of God which we have never received and thus do not know, then the Lord does not hold us guilty of the sin. “… to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.” (James 4:17.) And in Paul’s words, “… where no law is, there is no transgression.” (Rom. 4:15.) But even though we may not be guilty of the sin because of our ignorance, neither can we receive the blessing, which is predicated on obedience, without rendering obedience to that law. Therefore, we are denied the blessing through our ignorance. If it is a traffic law we have violated through ignorance, the penalty assessed us is exactly the same as if we had known. Also, if we stick a finger in an electric light socket, we will receive the same shock, irrespective of our knowledge of electricity. I repeat, ignorance is expensive.

http://www.lds.org/ensign/1971/06/ignor ... e?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Original_Intent]

Well, I did go through much of the deep dive info - all I saw was more of the same - lots of innuendo, just like the above - "Ron Paul co-wrote a book with so-and so who then went on to write 'How to gain an audience with Satan and partake of his power" or "Ron Paul has supported the gold standard, and anyone who has been to the temple KNOWS who will use gold and silver to buy up armies and navies," etc.

Bottom line is discernment, you can find any information pro or con on anything or anyone in the world...there is plenty of information out there about anyone of note, and you can find essentially that any one persone does anything from practically walking on water to eats babies - I'd like to see one post from you, Jason, that directly ties Ron Paul to wrongdoing or an abandonment of the principles that he speaks in favor of...not links after links of connecting dots, guilt by association, etc...give me one piece of concrete information, not thru links but how about a good old cut and paste - make your case, if you can...so far after literally hours of going thru you and Semps posts I see opinion, shady character assasination, so forth - don;t get me wrong I believe you are both sincere, but I'd really like to see the most solid evidence of the worst that you think you have on Paul.

And if you don't want to take the time, I understand. Heaven knows you ahve already put hours into gathering all the information that you have linked to - I guess my point is there is all kinds of information out there - are you using the spirit to filter it, and if so WHICH spirit? As you are, I am more than willing to be shown the error of my ways, but I am not motivated to continue on when the first thing I click on is as - bad - as the one I commented on above.

p.s. I have also seen some eyebrow-raising comments regarding F.A. Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" and Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" on my various wanderings through your and Semp's "deep dives". Like I said, you can find all kinds of opinions out there....

[Jason]

Well, I did go through much of the deep dive info - all I saw was more of the same - lots of innuendo, just like the above - "Ron Paul co-wrote a book with so-and so who then went on to write 'How to gain an audience with Satan and partake of his power" or "Ron Paul has supported the gold standard, and anyone who has been to the temple KNOWS who will use gold and silver to buy up armies and navies," etc.

Bottom line is discernment, you can find any information pro or con on anything or anyone in the world...there is plenty of information out there about anyone of note, and you can find essentially that any one persone does anything from practically walking on water to eats babies - I'd like to see one post from you, Jason, that directly ties Ron Paul to wrongdoing or an abandonment of the principles that he speaks in favor of...not links after links of connecting dots, guilt by association, etc...give me one piece of concrete information, not thru links but how about a good old cut and paste - make your case, if you can...so far after literally hours of going thru you and Semps posts I see opinion, shady character assasination, so forth - don;t get me wrong I believe you are both sincere, but I'd really like to see the most solid evidence of the worst that you think you have on Paul.

And if you don't want to take the time, I understand. Heaven knows you ahve already put hours into gathering all the information that you have linked to - I guess my point is there is all kinds of information out there - are you using the spirit to filter it, and if so WHICH spirit? As you are, I am more than willing to be shown the error of my ways, but I am not motivated to continue on when the first thing I click on is as - bad - as the one I commented on above.

p.s. I have also seen some eyebrow-raising comments regarding F.A. Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" and Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" on my various wanderings through your and Semp's "deep dives". Like I said, you can find all kinds of opinions out there....

What a cop out....if the bottom line is discernment....which we have a variety of folks on both sides of the fence all claiming discernment....and opposed to each other....you are left with what?

I've posted as you point out a ton of stuff. I've tried to relay mostly information and keep my comments out of it. Basically to try and connect dots....or more precisely people....as well as money. The key players and the foundations/institutes that they work for or have worked for...or that they direct. For more precise understanding and references....requires a very deep dive. Many literary works get into this....like Foundations and their Influence by Rene Wormser.

But you don't have ears to hear. You mention the book with Lewis Lehrman (diminishing its importance as a casual connection) all while ignoring the content of that book and the agenda that they (both Ron and Lewis) push....and how it correlates to our current financial/economic situation as well as additional works by Lewis Lehrman that give further definition to the game plan they initially laid out. As well as support for that game plan by people such as Alan Greenspan and Milton Friedman - key insiders who helped craft the problem...and now conveniently recommend the same solution (no way that was planned was it???).

Also what do you define as wrongdoing? His newsletters? His support of gays in the military? His lies (to one side or the other) about 9/11? His Rockefeller/Volker funded libertarian rhetoric (liberty without God)? His support of the corporations that have monopolized the world? His desires to decimate the government and sell off our gold and our lands? His desires to undermine what's left of the people's control over their money?

Or might I ask you a few questions like.....what in the world has Ron Paul accomplished in the last 35 years??? What will Ron Paul's agenda do to our nation if implemented? Will you be more free or less free if its implemented?

[Col. Flagg]

Well, I did go through much of the deep dive info - all I saw was more of the same - lots of innuendo, just like the above - "Ron Paul co-wrote a book with so-and so who then went on to write 'How to gain an audience with Satan and partake of his power" or "Ron Paul has supported the gold standard, and anyone who has been to the temple KNOWS who will use gold and silver to buy up armies and navies," etc.

Bottom line is discernment, you can find any information pro or con on anything or anyone in the world...there is plenty of information out there about anyone of note, and you can find essentially that any one persone does anything from practically walking on water to eats babies - I'd like to see one post from you, Jason, that directly ties Ron Paul to wrongdoing or an abandonment of the principles that he speaks in favor of...not links after links of connecting dots, guilt by association, etc...give me one piece of concrete information, not thru links but how about a good old cut and paste - make your case, if you can...so far after literally hours of going thru you and Semps posts I see opinion, shady character assasination, so forth - don;t get me wrong I believe you are both sincere, but I'd really like to see the most solid evidence of the worst that you think you have on Paul.

And if you don't want to take the time, I understand. Heaven knows you ahve already put hours into gathering all the information that you have linked to - I guess my point is there is all kinds of information out there - are you using the spirit to filter it, and if so WHICH spirit? As you are, I am more than willing to be shown the error of my ways, but I am not motivated to continue on when the first thing I click on is as - bad - as the one I commented on above.

p.s. I have also seen some eyebrow-raising comments regarding F.A. Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" and Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" on my various wanderings through your and Semp's "deep dives". Like I said, you can find all kinds of opinions out there....

:ymapplause: +1. Discernment... that's the key. Jason... pray for it.

[Jason]

Well, I did go through much of the deep dive info - all I saw was more of the same - lots of innuendo, just like the above - "Ron Paul co-wrote a book with so-and so who then went on to write 'How to gain an audience with Satan and partake of his power" or "Ron Paul has supported the gold standard, and anyone who has been to the temple KNOWS who will use gold and silver to buy up armies and navies," etc.

Bottom line is discernment, you can find any information pro or con on anything or anyone in the world...there is plenty of information out there about anyone of note, and you can find essentially that any one persone does anything from practically walking on water to eats babies - I'd like to see one post from you, Jason, that directly ties Ron Paul to wrongdoing or an abandonment of the principles that he speaks in favor of...not links after links of connecting dots, guilt by association, etc...give me one piece of concrete information, not thru links but how about a good old cut and paste - make your case, if you can...so far after literally hours of going thru you and Semps posts I see opinion, shady character assasination, so forth - don;t get me wrong I believe you are both sincere, but I'd really like to see the most solid evidence of the worst that you think you have on Paul.

And if you don't want to take the time, I understand. Heaven knows you ahve already put hours into gathering all the information that you have linked to - I guess my point is there is all kinds of information out there - are you using the spirit to filter it, and if so WHICH spirit? As you are, I am more than willing to be shown the error of my ways, but I am not motivated to continue on when the first thing I click on is as - bad - as the one I commented on above.

p.s. I have also seen some eyebrow-raising comments regarding F.A. Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" and Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" on my various wanderings through your and Semp's "deep dives". Like I said, you can find all kinds of opinions out there....

:ymapplause: +1. Discernment... that's the key. Jason... pray for it.

LOL....how do you know I haven't got it??? How do you know you have it? How do you know OI has it?

Wouldn't the Spirit correlate and resonate with the truth? So at the end of the day....what is the truth? Discernment is recognizing the truth. How do you recognize the truth if you don't have all the information...or if you aren't even willing to consider opposing information? Which goes back to you doing your homework.....

Who's Ron Paul lying to? What is the truth???

[Original_Intent]

Jason wrote:

Also what do you define as wrongdoing? His newsletters? His support of gays in the military? His lies (to one side or the other) about 9/11? His Rockefeller/Volker funded libertarian rhetoric (liberty without God)? His support of the corporations that have monopolized the world? His desires to decimate the government and sell off our gold and our lands? His desires to undermine what's left of the people's control over their money?

Or might I ask you a few questions like.....what in the world has Ron Paul accomplished in the last 35 years??? What will Ron Paul's agenda do to our nation if implemented? Will you be more free or less free if its implemented?

Newsletters: Stupid, one of the few boneheaded plays anyone can point to in a life of public service - where he has regualarly returned a portion of his Congressional offices budget to the treasury...

Gays in the military: I'd just as soon have gays dying for their country as straight guys...I don't see how he has broken some "moral law" in supporting it - now going against the counsel of the military brass that it would be bad for morale - I wouldn't do it, I disagree with Ron's position, but I don't demonize him for it.

I guess I've missed the liberty wothout God rhetoric....I have heard several times this election cycle alone that he has specified that we receive our rights from God not government...if you could give some quotes where he has explicitly removed God from the equation that would be enlightening.

Support of corporations??? examples?

Desires to decimate the government - Hell yes! Because that is about the amount of reduction needed to return it to its constitutional limits...this is a negative, somehow? I know you understand we are going broke thru debt burden...I know you have already thrown in the towel and the debt can never be retired - but isn;t shrinking government a step in the right direction? It sounds like you think government is just the right size or needs to be grown more...if so, carry on, not sure what I can say to that..

Sell off our gold and our land - again I see it as a desperate attempt to get us out of our debt situation - which is better, sell it off or have it seized in bankruptcy court when we renege on our debts....which definitely will lead to war, which reminds of some white horse prophecy about other nations dividing up the lands of America...so obviously Ron isn;t going to get his way on this, I am surprised you support the option that leads us to war (or maybe all paths lead us to war pre-cleansing, maybe the war provides the cleansing..) at any rate I'd like to know your ideas on retiring the debt... I know you don't believe in hard money, maybe we can just print a few trillion funny money without borrowing it into existence...I'd like to hear what you propose...


What has Ron Paul accomplished in the past 35 years? Not much but is that his fault or ours? He certainly has been a voice in the wilderness speaking the truth, should we blame him because not enough listened? He certainly has awakened many to their awful situation - for better or worse - I'd rather ask "Who has done more?"

I've seen all the austerity arguments and what a bad person Ron is for proposing austerity...I've responded to that a few times, but once more for posterity - we aare worse than broke, we can either try to recover thru voluntary austerity, or we will have the enforced austerity of bankruptcy...I'd rather have the freedom of deciding where to cut rather than having to cut everything from necessity...that's my two cents, again if you have another perspective - not links but your own thoughts on the matter, out with it!

[Col. Flagg]

Well, I did go through much of the deep dive info - all I saw was more of the same - lots of innuendo, just like the above - "Ron Paul co-wrote a book with so-and so who then went on to write 'How to gain an audience with Satan and partake of his power" or "Ron Paul has supported the gold standard, and anyone who has been to the temple KNOWS who will use gold and silver to buy up armies and navies," etc.

Bottom line is discernment, you can find any information pro or con on anything or anyone in the world...there is plenty of information out there about anyone of note, and you can find essentially that any one persone does anything from practically walking on water to eats babies - I'd like to see one post from you, Jason, that directly ties Ron Paul to wrongdoing or an abandonment of the principles that he speaks in favor of...not links after links of connecting dots, guilt by association, etc...give me one piece of concrete information, not thru links but how about a good old cut and paste - make your case, if you can...so far after literally hours of going thru you and Semps posts I see opinion, shady character assasination, so forth - don;t get me wrong I believe you are both sincere, but I'd really like to see the most solid evidence of the worst that you think you have on Paul.

And if you don't want to take the time, I understand. Heaven knows you ahve already put hours into gathering all the information that you have linked to - I guess my point is there is all kinds of information out there - are you using the spirit to filter it, and if so WHICH spirit? As you are, I am more than willing to be shown the error of my ways, but I am not motivated to continue on when the first thing I click on is as - bad - as the one I commented on above.

p.s. I have also seen some eyebrow-raising comments regarding F.A. Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" and Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" on my various wanderings through your and Semp's "deep dives". Like I said, you can find all kinds of opinions out there....

:ymapplause: +1. Discernment... that's the key. Jason... pray for it.

LOL....how do you know I haven't got it??? How do you know you have it? How do you know OI has it?

Wouldn't the Spirit correlate and resonate with the truth? So at the end of the day....what is the truth? Discernment is recognizing the truth. How do you recognize the truth if you don't have all the information...or if you aren't even willing to consider opposing information? Which goes back to you doing your homework.....

Who's Ron Paul lying to? What is the truth???

Jason, to be honest, it really doesn't take a rocket scientist, much research or even discernment to know that Ron Paul is the most qualified, worthy and best choice for president - just look at his voting record, listen to his debate responses and look at the bills he's sponsored or co-sponsored - that should be proof enough, in fact, if you compare the above three criteria to Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum, you'll see just how obvious it is that Ron Paul is the man and what a farce the other three are in terms of understanding the proper role of government and the Constitution. ) :ymblushing:

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STUDY: Ron Paul Never Attacked Romney Once During 20 Debates, But Attacked Romney’s Rivals 39 Times

In recent days, attention has focused on the unusual relationship between Ron Paul and Mitt Romney, who are purportedly competing against each other for the Republican presidential nomination. The New York Times reported recently that Romney has “worked to cultivate” a friendship with Paul. The candidates talk on the phone frequently. And when Paul’s “campaign jet broke down last year,” Romney “offered his jet to take them home to Texas.”

Rick Santorum has directly accused Paul and Romney of working together, noting “their commercials look a lot alike, and so do their attacks.” A review by ThinkProgress of the 20 GOP debates suggests Santorum might be onto something.

While Paul has freely attacked Romney’s top rivals, he has never once attacked Romney:



This is particularly striking given that Paul and Romney do not agree on virtually any policy positions.

Paul has gone beyond merely refraining from attacks. He has actively defended Romney on some of his biggest vulnerabilities. For example, when Rick Perry attacked Romney for “Romneycare” during an October 18 debate, Paul interjected:

First off, you know, the governor of Texas criticized the governor of Massachusetts for “Romneycare,” but he wrote a really fancy letter supporting “Hillarycare.” So we probably ought to ask him about that.

Paul has also run advertisements attacking Romney’s key rivals at critical times. He ran hundreds of thousands of dollars in brutally negative ads attacking Gingrich in Iowa. Paul now is using his scarce funds on a television ad attacking Rick Santorum in Michigan, a key state where Paul is a non-factor.

Paul is effectively acting as Romney’s on-stage surrogate during the debates. The key question is: what is Paul getting out of it?

UPDATE

Ron Paul’s campaign, via the Daily Caller, responds to ThinkProgress’ report: “Congressman Paul has pointed out the bad records of all of his opponents on multiple occasions during debates and interviews.” Notably, the Paul campaign did not directly dispute the conclusions of this study

http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/27/repor ... 0-debates/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Original_Intent]

Jason,

I read some of the stuff you and Semp posted, and I get the sense of the diabolical - not from you or Semp, but from the authors. I have tried to be open to it, but the more I read the more sense of wrongness I get.

Then I look at some of the responses by BobH and others to the information that I and others post about Mitt Romney, it's clear they have the same feeling about those posts - that it is all being taken out of context, is outright liese, etc...

I don't consider discernment as a cop-out - as I said you can find anything you want to find, can interpret any action in multiple ways - we have a responsibility to study things out which I feel I ahve made a good faith effort to do - at the end of the day we each decide what to reject and what to accept, that forms our paradigm. The only safety is taking what we have "learned" to God and relying on Him - and for whatever reason, either if we have not done enough on our own, or if we aren't worthy, or we lean too much on our own understanding, we may be left to our own devices.

I'm not saying you lack discernment, that is between you and God. I'm not claiming perfect understanding, and neither are you afaik - but I disagree with your conclusions. I see how you get from point A to point B but I don't agree with it. If you want to make any specific cases in point I'll respond (as I did above) I won't argue that you research things much more than me, but I won;t argue the negative REPELLING feelings I get when I read a good portion of your deep dive material. You are free to assign that as me protecting my own paradigm, that's not how I operate, but you don't know me and I don't know you - so...where does that leave us? Going our separate ways on this issue it appears.

[Jason]

Jason,

I read some of the stuff you and Semp posted, and I get the sense of the diabolical - not from you or Semp, but from the authors. I have tried to be open to it, but the more I read the more sense of wrongness I get.

Then I look at some of the responses by BobH and others to the information that I and others post about Mitt Romney, it's clear they have the same feeling about those posts - that it is all being taken out of context, is outright liese, etc...

I don't consider discernment as a cop-out - as I said you can find anything you want to find, can interpret any action in multiple ways - we have a responsibility to study things out which I feel I ahve made a good faith effort to do - at the end of the day we each decide what to reject and what to accept, that forms our paradigm. The only safety is taking what we have "learned" to God and relying on Him - and for whatever reason, either if we have not done enough on our own, or if we aren't worthy, or we lean too much on our own understanding, we may be left to our own devices.

I'm not saying you lack discernment, that is between you and God. I'm not claiming perfect understanding, and neither are you afaik - but I disagree with your conclusions. I see how you get from point A to point B but I don't agree with it. If you want to make any specific cases in point I'll respond (as I did above) I won't argue that you research things much more than me, but I won;t argue the negative REPELLING feelings I get when I read a good portion of your deep dive material. You are free to assign that as me protecting my own paradigm, that's not how I operate, but you don't know me and I don't know you - so...where does that leave us? Going our separate ways on this issue it appears.

All I've seen is people that choose to believe whatever they want to believe no matter what information is presented. Its quite ironic when they've chastised others for the same behavior in the past for belief in other candidates (like Romney) or for positions on historical events like 9/11 (Col on that one).

Agree to disagree. Follow the money...and to each their own accountability.

I've done my duty....and I bid you all farewell!!!

[Col. Flagg]

Jason,

I read some of the stuff you and Semp posted, and I get the sense of the diabolical - not from you or Semp, but from the authors. I have tried to be open to it, but the more I read the more sense of wrongness I get.

Then I look at some of the responses by BobH and others to the information that I and others post about Mitt Romney, it's clear they have the same feeling about those posts - that it is all being taken out of context, is outright liese, etc...

I don't consider discernment as a cop-out - as I said you can find anything you want to find, can interpret any action in multiple ways - we have a responsibility to study things out which I feel I ahve made a good faith effort to do - at the end of the day we each decide what to reject and what to accept, that forms our paradigm. The only safety is taking what we have "learned" to God and relying on Him - and for whatever reason, either if we have not done enough on our own, or if we aren't worthy, or we lean too much on our own understanding, we may be left to our own devices.

I'm not saying you lack discernment, that is between you and God. I'm not claiming perfect understanding, and neither are you afaik - but I disagree with your conclusions. I see how you get from point A to point B but I don't agree with it. If you want to make any specific cases in point I'll respond (as I did above) I won't argue that you research things much more than me, but I won;t argue the negative REPELLING feelings I get when I read a good portion of your deep dive material. You are free to assign that as me protecting my own paradigm, that's not how I operate, but you don't know me and I don't know you - so...where does that leave us? Going our separate ways on this issue it appears.

All I've seen is people that choose to believe whatever they want to believe no matter what information is presented. Its quite ironic when they've chastised others for the same behavior in the past for belief in other candidates (like Romney) or for positions on historical events like 9/11 (Col on that one).

Agree to disagree. Follow the money...and to each their own accountability.

I've done my duty....and I bid you all farewell!!!

Are you going underground again?

[SempiternalHarbinger]

Well, I did go through much of the deep dive info - all I saw was more of the same - lots of innuendo, just like the above - "Ron Paul co-wrote a book with so-and so who then went on to write 'How to gain an audience with Satan and partake of his power" or "Ron Paul has supported the gold standard, and anyone who has been to the temple KNOWS who will use gold and silver to buy up armies and navies," etc.

Bottom line is discernment, you can find any information pro or con on anything or anyone in the world...there is plenty of information out there about anyone of note, and you can find essentially that any one persone does anything from practically walking on water to eats babies - I'd like to see one post from you, Jason, that directly ties Ron Paul to wrongdoing or an abandonment of the principles that he speaks in favor of...not links after links of connecting dots, guilt by association, etc...give me one piece of concrete information, not thru links but how about a good old cut and paste - make your case, if you can...so far after literally hours of going thru you and Semps posts I see opinion, shady character assasination, so forth - don;t get me wrong I believe you are both sincere, but I'd really like to see the most solid evidence of the worst that you think you have on Paul.

And if you don't want to take the time, I understand. Heaven knows you ahve already put hours into gathering all the information that you have linked to - I guess my point is there is all kinds of information out there - are you using the spirit to filter it, and if so WHICH spirit? As you are, I am more than willing to be shown the error of my ways, but I am not motivated to continue on when the first thing I click on is as - bad - as the one I commented on above.

p.s. I have also seen some eyebrow-raising comments regarding F.A. Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" and Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" on my various wanderings through your and Semp's "deep dives". Like I said, you can find all kinds of opinions out there....

What a cop out....if the bottom line is discernment....which we have a variety of folks on both sides of the fence all claiming discernment....and opposed to each other....you are left with what?

I've posted as you point out a ton of stuff. I've tried to relay mostly information and keep my comments out of it. Basically to try and connect dots....or more precisely people....as well as money. The key players and the foundations/institutes that they work for or have worked for...or that they direct. For more precise understanding and references....requires a very deep dive. Many literary works get into this....like Foundations and their Influence by Rene Wormser.

But you don't have ears to hear. You mention the book with Lewis Lehrman (diminishing its importance as a casual connection) all while ignoring the content of that book and the agenda that they (both Ron and Lewis) push....and how it correlates to our current financial/economic situation as well as additional works by Lewis Lehrman that give further definition to the game plan they initially laid out. As well as support for that game plan by people such as Alan Greenspan and Milton Friedman - key insiders who helped craft the problem...and now conveniently recommend the same solution (no way that was planned was it???).

Also what do you define as wrongdoing? His newsletters? His support of gays in the military? His lies (to one side or the other) about 9/11? His Rockefeller/Volker funded libertarian rhetoric (liberty without God)? His support of the corporations that have monopolized the world? His desires to decimate the government and sell off our gold and our lands? His desires to undermine what's left of the people's control over their money?

Or might I ask you a few questions like.....what in the world has Ron Paul accomplished in the last 35 years??? What will Ron Paul's agenda do to our nation if implemented? Will you be more free or less free if its implemented?

[SempiternalHarbinger]

This is the most comical thread I have ever seen. I'll add my 2 cents and then I'm out.

1. "There is rampant among us a spirit of criticism. Perhaps it is a part of the age in which we live. We are constantly exposed to the writings of newspaper columnists and the opinions of radio and television commentators. Their major objective, it seems to me, is to find fault. They are critical, sometimes viciously so. They are critical of political figures. They are critical of church leaders. None of us is perfect; all of us occasionally make mistakes. There was only one perfect individual who ever walked the earth. Men and women who carry heavy responsibility do not need criticism, they need encouragement. One can disagree with policy without being disagreeable concerning the policymaker." Gordon B. Hinckley

2. "Wo unto them that turn aside the just for a thing of naught and revile against that which is good, and say that it is of no worth!" 2 Nephi 28:16

Ron Paul is not perfect, but he has accomplished much. I'm not going to argue point for point through 10 pages of nonsense, but those that can't see the good he has done are blind and should stop trying to lead other blind folks into the ditch.

And 3....2....1......flame on!

Thanks Patriotsaint! You contributions to the forum and this topic are truly mind blowing. Keep up the profound and truly inspiring work! I am really glad you stand up for the blind and thanks for pointing out all Ron Paul incredible accomplishments... The man who has done more for the preservation of our great country than any other man walking. If any one really cares about freedom and liberty there is only one choice.... The man who has the only perfect constitutional voting record in our history, Dr. Ron Paul. As Conner Boyack so eloquently puts it, If Mormons correctly understand their theology, they will “be proponents of the philosophy of liberty, or libertarians.” As if the two are the same thing. Or how bout this one, “If Mormons are to be supporters of the cause of liberty,the argument then follows that they should be libertarian.” In fact, if you can't find Ron Paul in the next life it's because you have not checked the table where the prophets sit. And if you can't find Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Benjamin Franklin or Abraham Lincoln at the table it's because there ideas of freedom, liberty and economics were severely flawed and not on par with Ron Paul, the man who stood for correct principals and stood against the evils of this world when few did or dared! Bravo Patriotsaint. You are my new hero!

How bout this.....

Belief without investigation is ignorance?? Or how bout beware of false prophets?? "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan,which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
(Revelations 12:9) Ron Paul is the exception right? Satan will deceive the whole world but not Ron Paul and his supporters. When Alexander Bell invented the telephone he had 3 missed calls from Ron Paul. A friend told me the other day that Ron Paul counted to infinity - twice.

How bout this.....

“There is not one political candidate on the horizon who dares to tell the whole truth! Not one! Because the truth is WORK or perish! And that is not a very inviting campaign promise.” Ezra Taft Benson

But Ron Paul is the lone exception right? Either that or Ezra Taft Benson some how overlooked Ron Paul even though RP had been in politics for the last 20 years of Ezra Taft Benson's life..

It amazes me how many people blindly follow Ron Paul, and how most quotes and scripture are applied to him as if he is the exception to the rule or somehow above it all. See, you can criticize Mitt Romney but not Ron Paul. You can dig, judge and condemn Mitt Romney all you want but it's blaspheme to say the truth about Ron Paul. Ron Paul is always the exception. The blind are those who follow without investigation. Here... I was talking to a buddy the other day and he was telling me how we need to get rid of all the lifetime politicians, that they were all corrupt. Yea, all except the one he always votes for. They are all bad except the ones they support. Exact same thing with Ron Paul Supporters. And let me just say that Ron Paul supporters are not that much different from the usurper Barry Soetoro following.

Chew on these scriptures and quotes.....

“The sad and shocking story of what has happened in America in recent years must be told. Our people must have the facts. There is safety in an informed public. There is real danger in a complacent, uninformed citizenry. This is our real danger today. Yes, the truth must be told even at the risk of destroying, in large measure, the influence of men who are widely respected and loved by the American people. The stakes are high. Freedom and survival is the issue.” (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 582.)

How can we have all the facts if one is complacent? How can one make the correct decision when one does not have all the facts? Why is all truth ok around here except the the truth about Ron Paul? What makes him so great that we don't need to vet him like the rest? Because folks have so much invested in him, they love and respect him so much that they 1.) would rather live a lie than know the truth and risk destroying the very men they love. Oh, that's right, Ron Paul is the exception to the rule. 2.) They don't need to dig because they know.

“Wherever possible I have tried to speak out. It is for this very reason that certain people in Washington have bitterly criticized me. They don’t want people to hear the message. It embarrasses them. The things which are destroying the Constitution are the things they have been voting for. They are afraid of their political careers if these facts are pointed out. They therefore try to silence any who carry the message—anyone who will stand up and be counted.” (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 684.)

I think Jason is one of the few that can relate to Ezra Taft Benson. He tells everyone not to take his word for it, to do what everyone should be willing to do on their own and do their own research, he has tried to help others how one can look for the truth in this world where truth is so hard to find. And what does he get? No thanks Jason! For the most part all he gets is bitter criticism! With out even looking into the matter or actually reading all he gets is your wrong, your deceived, your post are worthless and serve no good, wo unto you for trying to bring down a good "lifetime" politician ect. ect. ect. People are so invested that they would never believe a man they vote for and support is a guy who is in fact contributing to America's downfall. Or at least not doing anything to stop it while benefiting from the gadiantons spoils. Jason is about bringing the hidden thing of darkness to light, and for the most part all he gets in return is criticism and belittled! I sure hope Jason doesn't leave but I don't blame him. But than most would have there way and silence one of the good guys. People are all good silencing small man but could care less of the silence of those who can actually make a difference. Most don't want to hear anything negative because there is no way they could be deceived. Just like Obama worshipers. Why not let the facts speak for themself? What is to be afraid of? Because IMO it's embarrassing to them. No wait.... Because Ron Paul is the exception! Sheep. I don't know who said it, but it was said even if Satan voted for Ron Paul they would still vote for him. Whoever that I hope you were kidding. If not you should know that Satan is an enemy of all righteousness. And when has not even put in the time ones words hold no weight. They cannot be trusted in anyway. I will not blindly follow anyone.

And Last I checked the Libertarians labeled the church as the enemy of freedom over prop 8. The Government has no business in these affairs right? Well, it's obvious who the real enemy is.

We can ask questions, just not about Ron Paul because he is the good guy. says who?

“We, the common people, have not been told the facts for years, since long before the last war broke. We are not now being told the facts. We can only surmise. But give us the facts and we will answer. And in our multitude of counsel you will find wisdom".....“I have warned you against propaganda and hate. We are in the midst of the greatest exhibition of propaganda that the world has ever seen. Just do not believe all you read or hear. The elect are being deceived.” J Reuben Clark CR Oct 1941

Well good thing we have Ron Paul telling us the facts. The elect are being deceived? That is unless you follow Ron Paul. "GIVE US THE FACTS AND WE WILL ANSWER." right. For you 9/11 truthers out there, in case you missed the memo.... If you really care about the truth, if you really care about Ron Paul, you need to drop the whole 9/11 thing and the crazy birther thing. So glad we have one political candidate willing to stand up for truth. Yea, we live in Babylon, we live in wickedness similar to the days of Noah, yea we live the midst of the greatest exhibition of propaganda that the world has ever seen. But Ron Paul is the exception. All the while all he blames our government for the world problems. Yea, there is some propaganda if I have ever heard.

"And do not think that thee usurpations, intimidations, and impositions are being done to us through inadvertence or mistake; The whole course is deliberately planned and carried out; its purpose is to destroy the Constitution and our constitutional government; then to bring chaos, out of which the new Statism with its slavery is to arise, with a cruel, relentless, selfish, ambitious crew in the saddle, riding hard with whip and spur, a red-shrouded band of night riders for despotism. If we do not vigorously fight for our liberties, we shall go clear through to the end of the road and become another Russia, or worse." [Church News PPNS pg. 327]

"God provided that in this land of liberty, our political allegiance shall run not to individuals, that is, to government officials, no matter how great or how small they shall be. Under His plan the only allegiance we owe as citizens of the United States, runs to our inspired Constitution which God himself set up.…This principle of allegiance to the Constitution is basic to our freedom."

Our allegiance shall not run to individuals, that is government officials, no matter how great or how small they shall be.... but to the constitution. But Ron Paul followers for some reason twist this and think by supporting Ron Paul they are supporting the constitution. All I see is a deep following, deeply invested in a government official, a man. NOT the rule of law or Gods Law for that matter.

“We, the common people, have not been told the facts for years... We must not accept anything at its face value; we must question every statement, carefully examine every incident." (President J. Reuben Clark, Jr General Conference, October 1939)

Yea, we need to question every statement, "carefully examine" every incident, not accept ANYTHING at face value except of course Ron Paul that is. Don't examine Ron Paul, Don't question anything about where his ideas came from or the true intent of these ideas, don't dare question his libertarian roots because like Connor says, “If Mormons are to be supporters of the cause of liberty,the argument then follows that they should be libertarian.”

“With our national prestige at – or near – an embarrassing all-time low, we continue to weaken our domestic economy by unsound fiscal, economic and foreign aid policies which corrupt our national currency....With the crass unconstitutional usurpation of powers by the Executive Branch of the federal government, anti-spiritual decisions of the Supreme Court – all apparently approved by a weakly submissive rubber-stamp congress (BOUGHT OFF/ Ron Paul is apart of this submissive rubber stamped congress) – the days ahead are ominously frightening. Surely, certainly, it behooves patriotic citizens – such as you – to meet together to seriously consider present conditions in our beloved nation. It is imperative that American citizens become alerted and informed regarding the threat to our welfare, happiness and freedom."

It is imperative that American citizens become alerted and informed regarding the threat to our welfare, happiness and freedom. Libertarian is not a friend of the constitution, Gods Law, or freedom. It is for tolerance of all that God forbids. Austrians school of economics is no friend to the Government God set up. Anyone who actually carefully examines like we have been instructed will see this.

I testify that as the forces of evil increase under Lucifer’s leadership and as the forces of good increase under the leadership of Jesus Christ, there will be growing battles between the two until the final confrontation. As the issues become clearer and more obvious, all mankind will eventually be required to align themselves either for the kingdom of God or for the kingdom of the devil. As these conflicts rage, either secretly or openly, the righteous will be tested. God’s wrath will soon shake the nations of the earth and will be poured out on the wicked without measure. (See JS—H 1:45; D&C 1:9.) But God will provide strength for the righteous and the means of escape; and eventually and finally truth will triumph. (See 1 Ne. 22:15–23.)

Libertarian and Austrian school is in no way God's way and is not on the same side as the Kingdom of God. There "are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.

“And now I, Nephi, cannot say more; the Spirit stoppeth mine utterance, and I am left to mourn because of the unbelief, and the wickedness, and the ignorance, and the stiffneckedness of men; for they will not search knowledge, nor understand great knowledge, when it is given unto them in plainness, even as plain as word can be.’’(2 Nephi 32;7)

“Behold, here is the agency of man, and here is the condemnation of man; because that which was from the beginning is plainly manifest unto them, and they receive not the light. And that wicked one cometh and taketh away light and truth, through disobedience, from the children of men, and because of the tradition of their fathers.”

“[Satan] plans to destroy lib­erty and freedom—economic, polit­i­cal, and reli­gious, and to set up in place thereof the great­est, most wide­spread, and most com­plete tyranny that has ever oppressed men. He is work­ing under such per­fect dis­guise that many do not rec­og­nize either him or his meth­ods. There is no crime he would not com­mit, no debauch­ery he would not set up, no plague he would not send, no heart he would not break, no life he would not take, no soul he would not destroy. He comes as a thief in the night; he is a wolf in sheep’s cloth­ing. With­out their know­ing it, the peo­ple are being urged down paths that lead only to destruc­tion. Satan never before had so firm a grip on this gen­er­a­tion as he has now….

But Ron Paul's economic, political roots and background are the exception to the rule here. But here is the key, once you learn Satan's methods, both
libertarians, and Austrian school become naked or it's skin become so thin one is able to see right through it. But keep criticizing. But make no mistake about it.... Ron Paul's alliances does not Run with the constitution as we have been instructed. His support of Obama's repeal of Don't ask Don't tell had nothing to do with the constitution but with his hard core libertarian views.

…for Satan is abroad in the land, and he goeth forth deceiving the nations. (D&C 52:14) Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face. (D&C 112:23) Even honorable people have reason to fear being misled, for among those who will inhabit the terrestrial kingdom are those, who are honorable men of the earth, who were blinded by the craftiness of men. (D&C
76:75)

In many instances, the warnings are specifically directed to members of the Lord’s Church, of which the following are illustrative: For in those days there shall also arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch, that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant. (Smith, 1:22) But ye are commanded in all things to ask of God,…that ye may not be seduced by evil
spirits, or doctrines of devils, or the commandments of men; for some are of men, and others of devils. Wherefore, beware lest ye are deceived.…(D&C 46:7-8)

Behold, verily I say unto you, that there are many spirits which are false spirits, which have gone forth in the earth deceiving the world. And also Satan hath sought to deceive you, that he might overthrow you. (D&C 50:2-3)

"Wo unto them that turn aside the just for a thing of naught and revile against that which is good, and say that it is of no worth!" 2 Nephi 28:16

And how can we know that which is good? How can me be positive we are not deceived by false spirits and prophets? But It's ok because you say Ron Paul is good without answering one of the many concerns that have been brought up.

In the following passage, the Lord seems to be saying that everyone will be deceived who will not hearken unto his voice: And he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice. (Moses
4:4) The prophet Nephi explained that the unbelief, wickedness and ignorance of the people was a consequence of their refusal to search and understand the knowledge given them: And now I, Nephi, cannot say more; the Spirit stoppeth mine utterance, and I am left to mourn because of the unbelief and the wickedness, and the ignorance, and the stiffneckedness of men; for they will not search knowledge, nor understand great knowledge, when it is given unto
them in plainness, even as plain as word can be. (2 Nephi 32:7)

Probably the most vivid scriptural portrayal of the fact that no one can escape deception without searching the scriptures, is contained in the “tree of life” vision given to both Lehi and Nephi. The central theme of that remarkable revelation is that all who come to earth must pass through “a mist of darkness; yea, even an exceeding great mist of darkness,” and no one can avoid being lost therein unless he grasps the iron rod which is “the word of God.” The angel told Nephi that the mists of darkness are the temptations of the devil, which blindeth the eyes, and hardeneth the hearts of the children of men, and leadeth them away into broad roads, that they perish and are lost. (I Nephi 12: 17) Lehi was shown that even he, a prophet, was in danger; for in his vision, he became lost in a dark and dreary waste for the space of many hours and was rescued only when he fearfully pled with the Lord for guidance. The whole panorama of earth life was spread before him and he was able to see enormous multitudes pass through their entire mortal probation. He saw these great
concourses of people divide themselves into four distinct groups, only one of which made it safely through the mists of darkness and stayed true to the faith. While there were actually two groups who clung to the iron rod until they reached the tree of life, one of them could not bear the mocking
and taunting which is the lot of those who live righteously, and therefore, they “fell away into forbidden paths and were lost.” A third group commenced along the pathway which led to the tree, but they faltered before reaching it because they tried to get there without holding to the iron rod. Their fate is described by Nephi in these words: And I saw numberless concourses of people, many of whom were pressing forward, that they might obtain the path which led unto the tree by which I stood. And it came to pass that they did come forth, and commence in the path which led to the tree. And it came to pass that there arose a mist of darkness, insomuch that they who had commenced in the path did lose their way, that they wandered off and were lost. (1 Nephi 8:21-
23)

The fourth group neither followed the path nor made any attempt to grasp the iron rod, but headed for the great and spacious building which was a representation of the wisdom and pride of the world: (1 Nephi 11:35-36) And he [Lehi] also saw other multitudes feeling their way towards that great and spacious building. And it came to pass that many were drowned in the depths of the fountain; [which represented the depths of hell] and many were lost from view, wandering in strange roads. And great was the multitude that did enter into that strange building…. (1 Nephi 8:31-33) According to this vision, Satan’s deceptions take a terrible toll. Even if it were true that the four groups were all of the same size, not more than one in four can expect to follow the paths of righteousness to the end of their lives. But we cannot even assume this, for the size of the two groups which never reach the tree of life is indicated by the terms, “numberless concourses,” and “great was the multitude.” Let us note once more that it is failure to grasp the iron rod which
makes such massive deception possible.

We learn from D&C 93:39 that Satan is able to take “away light and truth” not only because of “the tradition of their fathers,” but also because of “disobedience” or sin. One who is wicked is quite literally spiritually blind, and it is just as impossible for him to perceive the things of God as it is for a physically blind man to see physical objects. In his first epistle to the Corinthian Saints, Paul said: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned (1 Cor. 2:14) In the wisdom of God, truth is withheld from those who do wickedly because to give them additional light when they are sinning against the light they already possess would curse rather than bless. Alma explained this vital truth to the wicked people of the city of Ammonihah in these words: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him. And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word until they know nothing concerning his mysteries; and then they are taken captive by the devil, and led by his will down to destruction…(Alma 12:9-11) Christ explained this same principle to His disciples in Jerusalem when they asked him why He taught in parables. (See Matt 13:10-15)

Maybe Pride is the reason why people are so quick to criticize and not willing to do their home work. Pride is another sin which renders one incapable of acquiring truths from God: and the wise, and the learned, and they that are rich, who are puffed up because of their learning, and their wisdom, and their riches— yea, they are they whom he [God] despiseth; and save they shall cast these things away, and consider themselves fools before God, and come
down in the depths of humility, he will not open unto them. (2 Nephi 9:42)

Go ahead Patriotsaint.... Flame away. 5,4,3,2,1.......

[SempiternalHarbinger]

p.s. I have also seen some eyebrow-raising comments regarding F.A. Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" and Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" on my various wanderings through your and Semp's "deep dives". Like I said, you can find all kinds of opinions out there....

Do you know where Dr. Friedrich von Hayek wrote "Road to Serfdom"?? He wrote in London in 1944 while teaching at the Socialist Fabian Society's London School of Economics. Friedrich von Hayek was in the inside with the Fabian society. Go read Hiding in Plain Sight. I have noticed you have recommended it a few times but i find it odd that much of the pivotal points you missed. Go read about the socialist Fabian Society,and Communist/Capitalist dialect. And My problem with Adam Smith is he ignores for the most part the very tool that is enslaving us today. And when he does briefly talk about it he has no solutions to get rid of it. It's the exact same thing both keynesian economics and Austrians economics totally 100% ignore. I am talking about USURY/Interest. This is not a coincidence. And anyone neck deep into the Fabian Society in my mind cannot be trusted. I am not saying you but many take the words of "Road to Serfdom" as gospel. Yet they have NO idea what is behind it and it's true intent. They blindly follow without any questions. That is not recommended in my book. Ask Ron Paul if his precious gold standard gets rid of interest/usury? Hell no it doesn't. And there is a very good reason why.

Luke Ch.6;
34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive [more than you have loaned], what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. [to take the multiplication of their debt]

35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again [hoping for no more than you have loaned]; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

For anyone intrested;

Chapter 7.4: Mont Pelerin, Ford Foundation and Tavistock
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... Ch07-4.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Adam Smith and the Development of the Problem
http://www.econlib.org/library/BohmBawe ... %20I,Ch.IV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

WHY AND HOW USURY HAS BEEN IMPOSED ACROSS THE WORLD
http://www.perfecteconomy.com/pg-why-an ... world.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PURPOSES OF THE DECEPTION THAT INFLATION IS CONTROLLED BY INTEREST (USURY)
http://www.perfecteconomy.com/pg-real-p ... usury.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A Liberty Worth Fighting For? (devoted to reviewing Connor Boyack’s Latter-day Liberty:)
http://www.johnadamscenter.com/2012/01/ ... hting-for/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looking for Zion Beyond This Ignorant Present.
http://thisignorantpresent.blogspot.com ... otomy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[moonwhim]

I think Jason is one of the few that can relate to Ezra Taft Benson. He tells everyone not to take his word for it, to do what everyone should be willing to do on their own and do their own research, he has tried to help others how one can look for the truth in this world where truth is so hard to find. And what does he get? No thanks Jason! For the most part all he gets is bitter criticism! With out even looking into the matter or actually reading all he gets is your wrong, your deceived, your post are worthless and serve no good, wo unto you for trying to bring down a good "lifetime" politician ect. ect. ect. People are so invested that they would never believe a man they vote for and support is a guy who is in fact contributing to America's downfall. Or at least not doing anything to stop it while benefiting from the gadiantons spoils. Jason is about bringing the hidden thing of darkness to light, and for the most part all he gets in return is criticism and belittled!

Look, you and Jason have presented tons of "evidence" for your charge that RP works for the NWO and is a tool of satan. Well, just dumping evidence on us is not the way to present your case. I don't have the time to sort thru all of your quotes that you and Jason have posted. A lot of them don't determine anything really. Just because Rockefeller supports something doesn't automatically mean that Satan now controls it. What I need for you and Jason to do is present all of your charges against RP and do so in a step by step basis explaining in detail how each point convicts him and also put your source references for each assertion. If you want to be a teacher then you have to teach us a step at a time in your own words and with sufficient sources attached for us to peruse. This orgainzed presentation by you will then make it easier for us to sort out the jewels from the junk. I hope you see my point.

[SempiternalHarbinger]

I think Jason is one of the few that can relate to Ezra Taft Benson. He tells everyone not to take his word for it, to do what everyone should be willing to do on their own and do their own research, he has tried to help others how one can look for the truth in this world where truth is so hard to find. And what does he get? No thanks Jason! For the most part all he gets is bitter criticism! With out even looking into the matter or actually reading all he gets is your wrong, your deceived, your post are worthless and serve no good, wo unto you for trying to bring down a good "lifetime" politician ect. ect. ect. People are so invested that they would never believe a man they vote for and support is a guy who is in fact contributing to America's downfall. Or at least not doing anything to stop it while benefiting from the gadiantons spoils. Jason is about bringing the hidden thing of darkness to light, and for the most part all he gets in return is criticism and belittled!

Look, you and Jason have presented tons of "evidence" for your charge that RP works for the NWO and is a tool of satan. Well, just dumping evidence on us is not the way to present your case. I don't have the time to sort thru all of your quotes that you and Jason have posted. A lot of them don't determine anything really. Just because Rockefeller supports something doesn't automatically mean that Satan now controls it. What I need for you and Jason to do is present all of your charges against RP and do so in a step by step basis explaining in detail how each point convicts him and also put your source references for each assertion. If you want to be a teacher then you have to teach us a step at a time in your own words and with sufficient sources attached for us to peruse. This orgainzed presentation by you will then make it easier for us to sort out the jewels from the junk. I hope you see my point.

Truly unbelievable! Why do people insist being spoon fed is beyond me. If your interested in the truth and answers do you own research. I have told you were to start. Neither Jason or I have ever said to believe us. And funding from the Rockefeller is just one small piece to a WAY bigger picture.

[Original_Intent]

Yes a way bigger picture that takes as a starting premise that 1) gold backed money is bad, 2) interest is the root of all evil (I agree it cerainly should not be charged EVER at the creation point when it is created out of nothing)...you start with faulty premises and reach questionable conclusions at best.

Regarding gold, it was supported by President Benson, I have yet to see any prophetic support for your favored paper money, nor have I seen any prophetic or apostolic utterance in contradiction of President Benson's statement.

Regarding interest, yes there are some Old Testament scriptures that say that Jews should not charge interest to each other, but that they could when lending to outsiders. There is also New Testament scripture that implies earnign interest on lent money is acceptable.

I have yet to see a legit complaint against Ron Paul other than the newsletters and unhappiness that he funded Campaign 4 Liberty with campaign contributions (I agree both of those are legit concerns.) everything else is long chains of guilt by association, innuendo, and really you never come forward with a clear accusation of wrongdoing - just a bunch of shady potshots from the popcorn gallery.

Just like you comment about Edward Griffin ""He's like a fish - spineless and a small brain". Wow - thanks for making your case. At least when I call names (such as calling Romney a flip flopper) it actually describes what he does that I don't like.

BTW, fish have spines, Einstein.

[HeirofNumenor]

Yes a way bigger picture that takes as a starting premise that 1) gold backed money is bad, 2) interest is the root of all evil (I agree it certainly should not be charged EVER at the creation point when it is created out of nothing)...you start with faulty premises and reach questionable conclusions at best.

Regarding gold, it was supported by President Benson, I have yet to see any prophetic support for your favored paper money, nor have I seen any prophetic or apostolic utterance in contradiction of President Benson's statement.

Regarding interest, yes there are some Old Testament scriptures that say that Jews should not charge interest to each other, but that they could when lending to outsiders. There is also New Testament scripture that implies earning interest on lent money is acceptable.

Let me try:

What I get from this is that:
1) Congress should be regulating the value of money as per the Constitution

2) All money should be backed by gold & silver

3) The big economic influences on Ron Paul: Hayek, Von Mises, Austrian school, etc. were set up by Rockefeller/Rothschild(?), and/or were great influences on them, tied way too close with the London School of Economics/Fabian society, who along with Milton Friedman & Chicago School Econ are the main pushers of total laisse faire free market economics

4) Such total absence of govt would benefit only the big bankers and corporations as they steamroll over EVERYONE-small competitor and consumer alike

5) Ron Paul wants the free market to regulate the value of money/gold, (instead of the govt -even though he supposedly means instead of the FED Reserve)

6) Gold standard does no good if debt-backed/interest bearing money is used - NO MATTER THE MEDIUM - Bankers will just end up owning everything anyway (their perfect ___ dream)

7) debt free fiat money is better than interest bearing gold/gold backed money controlled by the bankers

8) we need someone/govt who will be in the balanced center between having a free economic system that allows all to prosper, vs one that is controlled by an oligarchy of bankers, corps, elites, etc which have rigged the system so they end up owning/controlling all, and mankind are slaves to their whims (BABYLON)

How's that for summation & condensation? (conciseness is not something that comes easily to me :-ss )

[HeirofNumenor]

You may or may not agree with Jason & Semp regarding Ron Paul and these economic positions I just listed, but they are issues which definitely should be explored, pondered, and prayed about.
May they are not enough to overcome the fact that Ron Paul is the only candidate NOT a warmonger, and the only one who actually seems to know and value the Constitution.

OR

Maybe that is not enough pros to vote for Ron Paul if his economic plan would only make us slaves again to the elites.

You decide.

It may well be that the best remaining /least damaging choice is ..... Mitt Romney (SHUDDER) :-ss , because despite the war-mongering and Constitutional ignorance, at least he is an active priesthood holder .... (Don't tell Bob H or Janadele) :-s