"Why the support for the Patriot Act ?"

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"Why the support for the Patriot Act ?"

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"Why the support for the Patriot Act ?"

* Opposition to the Patriot Act places a chilling stigma upon anyone who dares criticize the government when it claims to be vigorously fighting terrorism.

* It significantly increases the government's surveillance powers which, IMO, are intended to be used against people like us who propagate distrust of government and expose acts of government which are detrimental to our freedoms.

* It provides means to a more oppressive government.

As I sees it, the Patriot Act could be used to arrest such people as some of us as well as people like Chuck Baldwin, Joel Skousen, Papul Watson, Jack Monnett, Glen Beck,G. Edward Griffin, Alex Jones, Dr. Dennis Cuddy, Congressman Ron Paul, members and leaders of the John Birch Society, and others who have spoken and/or written about the latter-day gadiantons' conspiracy to establish a socialist one-world government.

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Saftey and percieved threat overcomes liberty which is rarely taught in schools and I would contend in local units of the Church. Rememebr that Satan's argument in the Council was "I will bring everyone back but you must give up your liberties.

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that would sum it up, lundbaek


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Basic reason... treason!!! They KNOW they won't be prosecuted in today's world.

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Those who have power rarely give it up without a fight, even those who protray themselves as "conservatives". To me, the votes for renewing the Patriot Act is PROOF as to where our politicians intentions truly lie. It would be chilling to me if I hadn't already deduced this years ago. I would have been shocked if it was voted down.

My favorite part about wars during a Democratic presidency is just how cool it becomes to depict soldiers in movies from Hollywood. No protests in the street over Lybia, Afganistan.

It's the same on the "right" side during a Republican presidency. I guess American's political views can be summed up this way "We don't care what happens, so long as it is our team doing it".....

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Galticus: The major seekers for continious warfare reside in the GOP in the form of NeoCons. Romney is a NeoCon. So is Palen. The only one that I know of who isn't is Ron Paul. I hope there are others running that reject continious warfare in the name of terroprism.
That is why the Patriot Act was continued. Fear of domestic terrorists more so than foreign terrorits.

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Samuel the Lamanite wrote:Galticus: The major seekers for continious warfare reside in the GOP in the form of NeoCons. Romney is a NeoCon. So is Palen. The only one that I know of who isn't is Ron Paul. I hope there are others running that reject continious warfare in the name of terroprism.
That is why the Patriot Act was continued. Fear of domestic terrorists more so than foreign terrorits.
Don't forget the NeoLibs like Joe Lieberman and all the other demicons that were
so ready to invade Iraq!

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TrueFreedom" Yes there are DemoCons but they are few of them in DP. The best colaition against war is between the ultra progressive Dennis Kuchinich and libertarian GOPer Ron Paul. It shows on some issues, we can have a meeting of the minds.

I will make a warning here to any memebrs of the forum if your supporting endless wars. You will find tat the Final Judgemnenbt that Jesus will say get behind me, you servant of Satan. Christ is the Prince of PEACE and the future King of King and Lord of Lords. To ignore His call be peace is mocking Him.

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We are being con/ned for sure by both parties.

nafta..gatt..patriot act....

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TrueFreedom: Curious? How many people in your Ward seem to be con-ed?

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Isn't the patriot act one big con?

con= confidence trick/scam/flim flam....... so the American people will give up their freedom.

Not my ward but the entire country.

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TrueFreedom: I hope there are a few good folks left. Perhaps two or three in each Ward can make a difference?

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The truth is spreading slowly / people are waking up.

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Good vid about the Patriot Act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNRSs6LsGeI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting how they picked the very time when captured Saddam to increase the powers of the patriot act,while no one was paying attention!

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Samuel the Lamanite wrote:TrueFreedom" Yes there are DemoCons but they are few of them in DP. The best colaition against war is between the ultra progressive Dennis Kuchinich and libertarian GOPer Ron Paul. It shows on some issues, we can have a meeting of the minds.

I will make a warning here to any memebrs of the forum if your supporting endless wars. You will find tat the Final Judgemnenbt that Jesus will say get behind me, you servant of Satan. Christ is the Prince of PEACE and the future King of King and Lord of Lords. To ignore His call be peace is mocking Him.
My thoughts exactly! If you loved war as a solution to any issue other than self defense, The Savior will say "I never knew you"

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P51: We're on the same page. I want everyone to please go to the new Thread called "60 posts a day." IMO, my warning voice is trying to be silenced by some here at this wonderful forum.

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The reason for the support of the Patriot Act is because it's NOT the "evil monster" Alex Jones type nuts portray it to be.

It does nothing "sinister" to the average citizen, etc. It monitors known terrorists, or those with ties to those kinds of people in other country's etc.
There are a huge amount of checks and balances in it. While I believe there are some things that could be improved with it, overall there is not a darn thing wrong with it from a Freedom or Rights perspective. Even Rand Paul would have supported it if not for one little nuance or whatever that he didn't like.

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Obiwann: Everyone has a right toi their opinion especailly when that opinion is based on facts. Many organizations both on the right and left have found major dangers to the Bill of Rights. It aslo is the basis for additional laws and EOs extending the enchroment on our Bill of Rights. Since you seem to be a Romeny supporter and he supports the Patriot Act, could that have something to do with your post?

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Obiwan wrote:The reason for the support of the Patriot Act is because it's NOT the "evil monster" Alex Jones type nuts portray it to be.

It does nothing "sinister" to the average citizen, etc. It monitors known terrorists, or those with ties to those kinds of people in other country's etc.
There are a huge amount of checks and balances in it. While I believe there are some things that could be improved with it, overall there is not a darn thing wrong with it from a Freedom or Rights perspective. Even Rand Paul would have supported it if not for one little nuance or whatever that he didn't like.

...help us Obiwan, you're our only hope......

I use to harbor the ignorant notion that "if I'm not doing anything bad or illegal, then I'm okay with all the freedom I'm losing for the sake of safety."

I use to think the safeguards in place have stopped attacks on the US soil, so they must be doing their job.

I use to think that we are hated around the world because we love freedom.

People use to think the world was flat and no matter how hard Columbus tried to show them, they didn't want to change the way they thought - it was too comfortable.

The more I studied, read, pondered, and prayed; the more I came to realize that there is much more at play here than what we are being sold (such as the notion that we need these acts and infrigments on the constitution to keep us safe). I now have come to the knowledge that what I thought was true, was only brainwashing and propganda. The Patriot Act in and of itself may not look like a monster, but it is just one nail in the coffin of our freedoms. More importantly, it is a guage as to where we are at in the pride cycle.


I find it interesting that your faith in the checks and balances, as well as the current definition of "known terrorists" gives you a sense of security. May your chains rest lightly upon you. ;)

BTW, who is Alex Jones

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Galitagus: The awakening to the red pill is tramatic. Most people simply choose the blue pill. And the establishment only has blue pills. It's easier and so "SATISFYING to remain in ignorance of reality."

Alex Jones is somewhat like Glenn Beck but never afriad to expose all truth he finds. He has a network of I beleive radio stations with the 2nd largest listeners behind Rush. I would suggest you check him out and make your own conclusion. OK?

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Because you are scared out of your mind. Why support one more TSA body search? Because you are scared out of your mind. Remind you of anything?

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Who taught 100% security in the premortal life. God or Lucifer?

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Samuel the Lamanite wrote:Who taught 100% security in the premortal life. God or Lucifer?

I think this was your best post in over 1000 post. Nice job.

DID you notice that in the last several GC talks that the WAR in HEAVEN was talked about many times!!!!

I noticed.

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7: Was that a left handed complement? I will have to go back to the last GC and check more closely. What do you think is the reason for so many talks of the Premortal Counsel? Just an accident or a "hidden message" in there?

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I think it was a sincere compliment.... for one thing - it as extremely succinct and to the point...something that I have a very difficult time doing...

Remember that Elder Holland testified this last conference that the conference speakers do NOT coordinate their talks, nor are they assigned, but that they have to search out the Holy Ghost for what the Lord would have them say.
It may appear to have been coincidental, but not if you believe the Holy Ghost is guiding these church leaders.

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