Who did the most damage to the USA?

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Who did the most damage to the USA?

Bill Clinton
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George W Bush
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Barack Obama
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Dick Cheney
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Who did the most damage to the USA?

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Which of these past / present Presidents did the most damage to the freedom of Americans?

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I vote Wilson.

Of the choices provided, I'll say a four way tie, because the truth is a) they have all been enemies of the Constitution, and b) we will probably never know in mortality a fraction of what any of them were party too.

During my lifetime, I don;t know that he did the most total damage, but as far as changing the trajectory of the country (downward) I'd vote for LBJ.
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I will never vote for any of those crack pots again! My vote goes to the sheeple people. The Gads are like the devil. They can only do what we allow them to. Rise up Oh men of God! Lets whip the wimps. Take out the gadiantons, they are shaking in their boots, afraid someone will figure them out. Adelante!

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in answer to OI, Busch said in the white house; I will be long gone before anyone ever finds out what we did here.

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Obama, because he's not done yet. He is starting with executive orders for the ABC agencies to take every last freedom away. Plus, with all the spending he has done, we are past the point of no return.

Having said that, I think our fate was sealed back with the league of nations, the fed,and the irs.

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I vote for Bush. No other president did more to damage to the country while supposedly supported by a conservative, constitution-loving base.

Even in hindsight most of the people that I know who voted for him still think he was great and express the opinion that he was so much better than Obama, when the reality is that Obama is simply building on the groundwork laid by Bush.

Bush was the worst in my opinion, because of the new precedents he set in the areas of spending, preemptive warfare and governing via executive order. No other president in history has taken the USA so far down these dangerous roads.

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Bush wins for deception. Obama is more obvious in his evil and what he does. But in the end it is the wicked "we the people" who did the most damage because we are blind & sinful. We have become a people who have willingly taken spoils from future children and grandchildren.

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dennis wrote:I will never vote for any of those crack pots again! My vote goes to the sheeple people. The Gads are like the devil. They can only do what we allow them to. Rise up Oh men of God! Lets whip the wimps. Take out the gadiantons, they are shaking in their boots, afraid someone will figure them out. Adelante!
You are right. I should've put "the people"as an option.

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It’s a tough call to say who has done the most damage to the United States of America. The real movers and shakers responsible for the gradual destruction are not the presidents and members of their administrations, or the members of Congress who promote and support the laws and programs that have left our Constitution hanging by a thread. I think most of us realize, or should realize that they are but puppets doing the bidding of their puppet masters who remain largely behind the scenes, except for the occasional entrance onto the stage of world events. For example, as I recall, President Wilson was not invited to Jekyll Island. Curtis Dall, for years a son-in-law of Franklin D. Roosevelt, wrote the following observations in his book FDR - My Exploited Father-In-Law "For a long time I felt that F.D.R. had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit the country, the U.S.A. But he didn’t. Most of this thoughts, his political ammunition as it were, was carefully manufactured for him in advance by the CFR - One-World Money group." Just since I became suspicious of American traitors in high places, I have noted that “insiders” behind the scenes select, then groom, and ultimately control many of our highest government officials. They plan the wars and through foreign policy arrange to set the stage for incidents to inflate hostilities. They overwork the word peace to misled us and create a plausible smoke screen in order to conceal their real operations. We should be able to recognize who they are.

Equally culpable, IMO, are those who ignored the warnings of the plot to submit Americans to a socialist dictatorship and who thereby failed to awake to and oppose the conspiracy when there was still time to do so thru the legislative route. We should be able to recognize who they are, also.

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In terms of Presidents....very tough call.

I'd lean towards a toss up between Dwight Eisenhower and George HW Bush.....and lean towards the latter in a pinch.

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since Wilson, it has been a "sellout"..........I woulda voted for Abraham Lincoln, US hasn't be "free" since :!: :(.......he also had hundreds of thousands of American's killed on US soil to promote Federalism and stomp on the constitution
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Mummy wrote:In terms of Presidents....very tough call.

I'd lean towards a toss up between Dwight Eisenhower and George HW Bush.....and lean towards the latter in a pinch.
Eisenhower over Wilson? Really? Mummy lol you are indeed a character.

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John Locke wrote:
Mummy wrote:In terms of Presidents....very tough call.

I'd lean towards a toss up between Dwight Eisenhower and George HW Bush.....and lean towards the latter in a pinch.
Eisenhower over Wilson? Really? Mummy lol you are indeed a character.
Wilson was heavily influenced....Eisenhower was 100% traitor! Bush probably upped Eisenhower a notch!

I take it you haven't read "The Politician" by Robert Welch and personally recommended by Ezra T. Benson (apostle at the time) to Joseph Fielding Smith (then living prophet)?

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I have, but, still, Lincoln was far more distructive of the constitution...but, you may be right, Ike was responsible for alot of US deaths, but, none more liable than Harry Truman and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands by bombs that weren't necessary,....they all seem to have one thing in common...HEARTLESSNESS

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sbsion wrote:,....they all seem to have one thing in common...HEARTLESSNESS
Kind of gives another level of meaning of the "cremation of CARE" ceremony. I haven;t researched much about it, so I could be way off, but I have always had kind of an intuition that it represents an intentional sacrifice of conscience "for the greater good".

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sbsion wrote:I have, but, still, Lincoln was far more distructive of the constitution...but, you may be right, Ike was responsible for alot of US deaths, but, none more liable than Harry Truman and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands by bombs that weren't necessary,....they all seem to have one thing in common...HEARTLESSNESS
Different topic but related to war generals like Ike. MacArthur went promted the island hopping campaign in the pacific as a needed strategy that cost america thousands of lives. Couldnt they have just carpet bombed the japanese held islands and or blockaded them? Was it really neccesary to occupy each one of them at the cost of thousands of marines lives at each island? Seems like a stupid policy.

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Where is the "all of the above" button?????

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p51-mustang wrote:
sbsion wrote:I have, but, still, Lincoln was far more distructive of the constitution...but, you may be right, Ike was responsible for alot of US deaths, but, none more liable than Harry Truman and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands by bombs that weren't necessary,....they all seem to have one thing in common...HEARTLESSNESS
Different topic but related to war generals like Ike. MacArthur went promted the island hopping campaign in the pacific as a needed strategy that cost america thousands of lives. Couldnt they have just carpet bombed the japanese held islands and or blockaded them? Was it really neccesary to occupy each one of them at the cost of thousands of marines lives at each island? Seems like a stupid policy.
To my knowledge Ike never had personal command of a combat unit despite the rhetoric!

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sbsion wrote:I have, but, still, Lincoln was far more distructive of the constitution...but, you may be right, Ike was responsible for alot of US deaths, but, none more liable than Harry Truman and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands by bombs that weren't necessary,....they all seem to have one thing in common...HEARTLESSNESS
I wasn't measuring in lives but in steps taken towards our destruction. Measurement is difficult though. For example does one heap all the drug induced deaths upon George HW Bush? The military (via CIA) got heavily involved in drugs in the late 50's and early 60's....of course one could go clear back to the British opium wars in China on that one (always been an illuminati tool). The CIA and the Tavistock Institute clearly paved the way in the 50's under the protection of Ike for what would ended up being the drug infested 60's and 70's....then the cocaine infested 80's and 90's....and now leaning towards heroine for 2000 and beyond. Afghanistan produces 95% of the world's heroin now and is controlled by the CIA. 85% of the world's cocaine comes through Columbia...which we control....and we are quietly building more bases!

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rught on........let's just legalize MJ and take away "their" profits...btw, did you see the crackdown on eastern mafia, guess, the CIA and FBI don't like competition anymore.......hmmmmm :mrgreen: :twisted:

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I would have to say George W. Bush... our national debt doubled under him and his 'administration' in 8 years, he and both Cheney were complicit and/or involved in what happened on 9/11, wars of aggression were launched by him under false pretenses for ulterior motives, 3,000 people were murdered in New York on 9/11 when he knew what was going to take place and then hundreds of thousands have died in Iraq and Afghanistan thanks to Bush/Cheney including over 5,500 U.S. soldiers (if you believe 'government' figures). 'Ole Dick is a very close second though. Clinton is pretty evil too, as is Obama, but neither compare to what Bush/Cheney have done.

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Col. Flagg wrote:I would have to say George W. Bush... our national debt doubled under him and his 'administration' in 8 years, he and both Cheney were complicit and/or involved in what happened on 9/11, wars of aggression were launched by him under false pretenses for ulterior motives, 3,000 people were murdered in New York on 9/11 when he knew what was going to take place and then hundreds of thousands have died in Iraq and Afghanistan thanks to Bush/Cheney including over 5,500 U.S. soldiers (if you believe 'government' figures). 'Ole Dick is a very close second though. Clinton is pretty evil too, as is Obama, but neither compare to what Bush/Cheney have done.
ahh but they could only accomplish what they have done based on the prior work accomplished by their predecessors...though some "stand out" more than others. I'd dare say that HW was in control that day anyway....he was in the White House. Also that whole crew of folks was recruited and mentored by him.....not to mention Carlyle investment angle and his position there. CIA chief used to complain about how much time he spent keeping Bill Clinton out of trouble while running the show. That guy answered to HW. Dub ya was just an extension of pappy...catch that Teri Hatcher - George HW Bush lunch date video.

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I suppose we need to clarify whether or not we are talking about the most damaging president during his term of office, or the most damaging individual over the course of his life.

I still believe that if we are speaking of the damage done during their time in office, GW Bush stands head and shoulders above the rest....regardless of who was pulling the strings.

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Obama His spending is out of control.

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I'm sure President Obama's spending is very much under control - of his puppet masters who remain largely behind the scenes.

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