Illegals vs Airport Scanners

[freedomforall]

Why, under the heavens are true Americans, men, women and children, subject for humiliation by having their privates fondled in airports as every person is suspected of having some horrible explosive device or something dangerous hidden on their person, or for that matter...may be a terrorist...and yet, illegals are treated like royalty by our President? You don't and won't see him installing scanners along our borders to prevent the influx of harmful items and discovering potential terrorists. Oh, no.

His attidude seems to be, come on in whoever you are, you will not be molested or made exempt from getting all the benefits Americans have. We will give you food, money, jobs and call you citizens right after crossing the border. That's all there is to it.

These illegals can come into the country with weapons, drugs, hateful attitudes, etc. And yet, people who have lived here all their lives are treated like potential terrorists at our airports, bus stations, courthouses, etc.

Am I the only one concerned about these reversed ideals?

[AussieOi]

bro
let's assume you get50 responses saying yes, then what?

whats your point here?

[lundbaek]

Do a SEARCH on "illegal immigration" and go back to the earlier posts on the subject. Many of us have expressed dismay and anger at the tolerance on the part of the FedGov and others in state and local givernments for illegal immigration and support of amnesty. But in view of the apparent tolerance of Church leaders at all levels of illegal immigrants, many Church members are probably having a hard time of it speaking out against it.

I don't for a minute believe the way the invasion is occurring, its results on the USA, or the results intended by the LDGs fomenting it, are what the Lord ever wanted. It appears thus far at least to be fulfillment of the "when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel", "if the Gentiles do not repent" and "except they repent" parts of the prophecy. It is something brought on by wickedness on the parts of various elements among the American populace, including those who ignored certain warnings and admonitions of latter-day prophets and apostles speaking in Church general conferences, letters from the First Presidency, and Ensign/Era articles.

To understand the illegal immigration and amnesty issues in depth, I believe it is necessary to understand the bigger picture. Here is what I believe is really going on. There is a globalist conspiracy, also spoken of by some, including Nephi, Moroni, and President Benson, as a secret combination, determined to destroy American sovereignty and push Americans into yielding up essential freedoms by creating war, conflict, and hardship. To this end, mass immigration of people who place tremendous burdens on our society and public services has been and is being fomented by those determined to destroy our economy and culture. But this goal is also being accomplished by the global warming hoax, the terrorism hoax carried out by false flag Ops and media hype, undeclared wars that hurt our economy and wear down our military forces, and other actions that are leading to the destruction of the American economy and culture. We must understand the nature of the conspiracy. I have concluded that the purpose of this destruction is to make Americans more willing to accept a socialist or fascist dictatorship to replace what is left of our constitutional republic. All this is intended by people who have been and are still the puppet masters of recent US Presidents and many in Congress, as well as of others in business and the media, to eventually enable them to make this country subject to a single world government.

[Moss Man]

I've recently changed my opinion on the illegal immigration issue. Elder Pieper gave me a new way of looking at these people when he asked us to think about the consequences that might have attended the Nephites when the kingmen were trying to overthrow the government (Sunday Session of statewide Oregon Stake Conference in November 2010). If the Nephites hadn't taken in and protected the Anti-Nephi-Lehies, they never would've had the services of the 2,000 Stripling Warriors to win back their freedom. Here are some other thoughts:

• - many noble spirits were reserved for the last days; how many happen to be illegal immigrants or their children?
  - why don't we show them compassion? Maybe they'll give us their children to help us fight for our freedoms
  - is it possible that many of these people have similar attitudes as those (whites) that fled Europe and settled this nation?
  - I don't agree with allowing in the druglords and thiefs

[Fiannan]

I've recently changed my opinion on the illegal immigration issue. Elder Pieper gave me a new way of looking at these people when he asked us to think about the consequences that might have attended the Nephites when the kingmen were trying to overthrow the government (Sunday Session of statewide Oregon Stake Conference in November 2010). If the Nephites hadn't taken in and protected the Anti-Nephi-Lehies, they never would've had the services of the 2,000 Stripling Warriors to win back their freedom. Here are some other thoughts:

• - many noble spirits were reserved for the last days; how many happen to be illegal immigrants or their children?
  - why don't we show them compassion? Maybe they'll give us their children to help us fight for our freedoms
  - is it possible that many of these people have similar attitudes as those (whites) that fled Europe and settled this nation?
  - I don't agree with allowing in the druglords and thiefs

Well, we can also see what happened to the Lamanites due to their not being able to enforce immigration curtailment when the Spanish landed in South America and the French and English landed in North America.

[gkearney]

You clearly have never passed through U. S. Immigration at a port or airport have you.

[Fiannan]

You clearly have never passed through U. S. Immigration at a port or airport have you.

If I were a non-US citizen why would I go to the trouble? I could just stroll across the border like everyone else does.

[lundbaek]

I have been thru immigration more times than I want to bother to count. Following is a repeat of my 12 July post on this topic on another thread. People who consider U.S. immigration laws unfair and immoral are free to advocate for change in those laws. I think they are still able to sponsor qualified immigrants if willing and able to accept the financial responsibilities. But to support open borders is to support dumping welfare cases on other people. And I consider that as immoral as any other form of legalized plunder. My wife has been thru the immigration process 3 times, 2 times because we had resided outside the US longer than 2 years. I had plenty of opportunity to learn about restrictions on immigration existing at those times, and I fully support them. I still vividly recall an immigration officer in the US Consulate in Frankfurt/M, Germany telling us how he agonized over certain situations involving immigration applicants with "a rap sheet as long as their arm", married to a US citizen whom, in some cases they had snagged for the obvioous purpose of gaining a ticked to the U.S., pregnant and/or with a child or two already. I also remember in the 1950s some church organizations were sponsoring immigrants from Europe. Some did well for themselves, a few became welfare cases.

[7cylon7]

I've recently changed my opinion on the illegal immigration issue. Elder Pieper gave me a new way of looking at these people when he asked us to think about the consequences that might have attended the Nephites when the kingmen were trying to overthrow the government (Sunday Session of statewide Oregon Stake Conference in November 2010). If the Nephites hadn't taken in and protected the Anti-Nephi-Lehies, they never would've had the services of the 2,000 Stripling Warriors to win back their freedom. Here are some other thoughts:

• - many noble spirits were reserved for the last days; how many happen to be illegal immigrants or their children?
  - why don't we show them compassion? Maybe they'll give us their children to help us fight for our freedoms
  - is it possible that many of these people have similar attitudes as those (whites) that fled Europe and settled this nation?
  - I don't agree with allowing in the druglords and thiefs

Are you SERIOUS! That is one of the dumbest comparisons I have ever heard. The Anti-Nephi-Lehies were peace loving BAPTIZED followers of Christ who buried their weapons of war in a repentance act that was tested by the lord with hundreds of them giving up their lives to prove their repentance. LATER they asked the nephites FIRST if they would take them in. The Nephites said they would give them a land to settle in. Their own city. HOW is this the same as Illegal immegrants sucking up all the free benefits without contributing to the tax base. There is a legal way to immigrate they need to ask us first. I like how people just gloss over the KEY points in the scripture to come up with their own agenda.

Look I sound more upset than I really am. This argument that you gave makes no sense at all. Elder Peeper needs to restudy that story. They only reason why the borders are not being controlled is two fold. First, lots of CIA drug and money come over the border and they don't want to have to make it harder for themselves. Second, the NWO folks want to overload our system. They want it to crash. When more people are on the take than are putting into the tax base the sooner the systems crashes down. Just look at California. It is a total mess. A bonus is these uneducated masses tend to VOTE for communism and socialism. Ya they love freedom don't they.

The bottom line is we have some good laws on this topic and they need to be followed. Or in the book of mormon their were no laws that needed to be followed. Peeper might be a good man but on this topic he has it wrong.

[lundbaek]

I concur with 7cylon7 that “...the NWO folks want to overload our system. They want it to crash. When more people are on the take than are putting into the tax base the sooner the systems crashes down.” And it is clear to me that this is one of the current main goals of the NWO folks.

Not having heard Elder Pieper’s comments as referenced by Moss Man, I can only guess as to why he MAY have been hinting or suggesting that members of the Church support amnesty and accept illegal immigration. Here is why:
As I related on 2 or 3 other threads, I did hear it in person from Elder Eyring in late 2006 or early 2007 that the First Presidency concluded that the immigration will continue and we will have to live with it.

So as to why a General Authority would hint or suggest in a state-wide stake conference, or for that matter why the First Presidency would support continuance of unconstitutional welfare benefits to illegal immigrants in Utah a few years ago, I can only surmise that they are taking a stance that will minimize conflict between the illegal immigrants and the NWO folks on the one side, and the Church on the other, as the NWO increases in power and more missionary work is done among illegal immigrants.

But having said that, I find no evidence of the Church encouraging illegal immigration, or immigration in general, for that matter. Last I heard, and I remember it well, members in other countries were counselled by the Brethren to remain in their home countries. (I assume marriage between nationals of different countries was an exception.)

[freedomforall]

bro
let's assume you get50 responses saying yes, then what?

whats your point here?

My point is this: Illegal immigration negates the discovery of potential criminals...yet airport scanners are violating people's 4th amendment right. Why is there more concern and effort to screen people at airports, etc., than there is at our borders? Do you think this kind of treatment toward long time CITIZENS is acceptable? And whether or not illegals use our airports is irrelevant, they are still here illegally and are allowed to go anywhere in this country from the get go because they avoided some type of screening, and citizenship.

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYykxMup ... re=related

[Rensai]

Lets see....

They break the law and enter the country illegally
They are statistically very likely to become involved in crime
They suck up all the welfare they can, these are "rights" they demand.
They do not try to integrate and become American, instead they want to tear it down (http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/ ... o-flag.htm)
Many support communism (see: http://www.infowars.com/illegal-aliens- ... nta-rally/)

I am sure there are good among them, but taken as a group, these are not good people. They hate America; they want the communists to take your money and give them an equal share, though they've done nothing to earn it. They aren't the only ones of course, plenty of Americans think the same way, but why would we wan to encourage that by supporting and expanding this group? These people are nothing like the stripling warriors, it's a ridiculous comparison.

Many illegal aliens in the United States have been arrested and incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails, adding to already overcrowded prisons and jails. The US Justice Department issued a report on criminal aliens who are incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails.

The report contained information on the number of criminal aliens incarcerated, their country of citizenship or country of birth, and the cost to incarcerate them. Congress also requested that the Government Accounting Office provide information on the criminal history of aliens incarcerated in federal and state prisons or local jails who had entered the country illegally.

In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

[freedomforall]

Lets see....

They break the law and enter the country illegally
They are statistically very likely to become involved in crime
They suck up all the welfare they can, these are "rights" they demand.
They do not try to integrate and become American, instead they want to tear it down (http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/ ... o-flag.htm)
Many support communism (see: http://www.infowars.com/illegal-aliens- ... nta-rally/)

I am sure there are good among them, but taken as a group, these are not good people. They hate America; they want the communists to take your money and give them an equal share, though they've done nothing to earn it. They aren't the only ones of course, plenty of Americans think the same way, but why would we wan to encourage that by supporting and expanding this group? These people are nothing like the stripling warriors, it's a ridiculous comparison.

Many illegal aliens in the United States have been arrested and incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails, adding to already overcrowded prisons and jails. The US Justice Department issued a report on criminal aliens who are incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails.

The report contained information on the number of criminal aliens incarcerated, their country of citizenship or country of birth, and the cost to incarcerate them. Congress also requested that the Government Accounting Office provide information on the criminal history of aliens incarcerated in federal and state prisons or local jails who had entered the country illegally.

In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

Thank you, Rensai, for providing this info. This is scary stuff!

These people have no clue that true communism would bring about more oppression and that they could be under even more racially driven persecution. I don't think they would be allowed to rally like this and complain publically that their new (communistic) govenment isn't fair or handing out free food, jobs, money, cars or anything else they want. I wonder if people that think this country isn't for them aught to be rounded up and placed on a remote island somewhere so they can learn for themselves how self reliance and sharing is implemented for survival. They would either help each other and grow, or they would kill each other off out of greed, mistrust and perhaps hatred. Or give them a one way ticket back to where they came from. Why do we have to tolerate their whinning and loud accusations?

[lundbaek]

We have to tolerate their whinning and loud accusations for the same reason we have to tolerate the whining and accusations of American citizens who had the misfortune of being born and raised in America. Our Constitution permits it. In the case of those here illegally, the country and the church are divided on the desirability of allowing them to remain. I attribute that divisivness to all the information, misinformation and disinformation about their conduct and activities in this country. As I stated a few times before, the First Presidency decided a few years ago that we are going to have to live with the situation, and I believe that is because the latter-day gadiantons want them and many more firmly entrenched in this country. That became so obvious to me during the Bush 43 administration.

[freedomforall]

I suppose the degradation of the Constitution and the moral decay of society can be likened to the people who were once extremely righteous after the Savior visited the Americas. Wasn't it about the fourth generation that started to become wicked again? I can't recite every detail brought out in the Book of Mormon here, but I think you get the idea I'm presenting. Wickedness is sweeping our land to the point that the very righteous will be relatively small in number, no matter the sect they affiliate themselves with. And how can a small group turn things around? I think a lot of saints share this question.

The "White Horse" prophecy was repudiated by the LDS Church in 1918.
http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/whitehorse.pdf

Another view: http://www.mormonwiki.org/White_Horse_prophecy

So however one interprets all this and whatever is to take place better be sooner than later before the present state of affairs become irreversable.

I also liked your last post, lundbaek, submitted in: ONE WAY WE CAN HELP RESTORE FREEDOM IN AMERICA, where we teach our children and so forth. My children are all in their thirties, but I'm constantly sending them info so they will, at least, be aware that their pa is striving to learn and then educate them. What they do with the information, and how they act upon it is up to them. I had no idea that they weren't taught about the Constitution in their school years.

[freedomforall]

I may be behind in knowledge, this is why I'm posting stuff in the first place.

So here goes . . . what is the "cleansing of America" stated in other threads herein?

On a different note, here is a can of worms to be considered. Concerning full body searches at our airports, won't gay TSA agents, let alone others enjoy full body searches of passengers? Will gay passengers enjoy full body searches? I don't think I want to fly anymore. Do any of you? And I have a stent near my heart so it's not advisable for me to go through the scanning machine.

Many airline pilots are against the scanning machines as they have to be subjected to the rays emitted by the machines on a regular basis, before every flight. That's several times a week.