We The People Must Reclaim Our Constitution

[Rosabella]

So, Rosabella, Mark, and Mummy, do you folks believe in taking any action against the criminal gadiantons?

What kind of action?

If you know me you know how I fight them everyday, if not, others on this site do. I have a bit of a different paradigm I guess than some others on how to fight the real Combination. I focus more on the Combination as a Spiritual then political movement. The Combination is created by a spiritual plan of the adversary's, so for me that is the root of it all. From there they control the rest to bring about their spirituality. I focus on even the basics that our nation has walked away from believing in a God and submitting to Him "Father They will be done". If our nations turned to God the conspiracy would be destroyed. We could have another Enoch if only we would choose that path. But we have and are choosing the path of destruction because we are embracing wickedness, not because we are not fighting the Gadiantions, but because we have walked away from God as a nation. Call the people to repentance is the only hope we have. You cannot wake them just to a conspiracy, they need to awake to repentance. Those that wake to a conspiracy without the true Gospel get lead down the path of the adversary's spirituality. Therefore become what they think they are fighting against.

[Jason]

So, Rosabella, Mark, and Mummy, do you folks believe in taking any action against the criminal gadiantons?

What kind of action?

If you know me you know how I fight them everyday, if not, others on this site do. I have a bit of a different paradigm I guess than some others on how to fight the real Combination. I focus more on the Combination as a Spiritual then political movement. The Combination is created by a spiritual plan of the adversary's, so for me that is the root of it all. From there they control the rest to bring about their spirituality. I focus on even the basics that our nation has walked away from believing in a God and submitting to Him "Father They will be done". If our nations turned to God the conspiracy would be destroyed. We could have another Enoch if only we would choose that path. But we have and are choosing the path of destruction because we are embracing wickedness, not because we are not fighting the Gadiantions, but because we have walked away from God as a nation. Call the people to repentance is the only hope we have. You cannot wake them just to a conspiracy, they need to awake to repentance. Those that wake to a conspiracy without the true Gospel get lead down the path of the adversary's spirituality. Therefore become what they think they are fighting against.

Amen! Saw a piece Mike Ruppert wrote yesterday that to me is leading right down that path. He's definitely been in the fight against the secret combinations for some time and I have a lot of respect for him.....but looks like he's gotten so wrapped around it (probably filled with hate, despair, distrust, etc) that he's getting sucked in from a different angle.....and many will follow him.

God On The Table: Attempting A Useful Discussion Of Mankind's Spiritual Future
http://www.countercurrents.org/ruppert021110.htm

Another one that has been at the forefront that is now heavily into new age is John Perkins of "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" fame.....although the argument could be made that he never really took a stand but simply switched agencies or job titles. Many of the conspiracy researchers though cling to John and highly promote him.

New Dreams of Nature and 2012

My co-facilitator Llyn Roberts - of Dream Change - and I will teach the first half of a 16-day Shapeshifting Apprenticeship at Omega and prepare to lead our Prophets Conference December 2010 trip to the Maya of Guatemala where participants will explore the true meaning of the 2012 prophecies with Mayan elders and shamans. I mention all of this because my schedule reflects, I believe, the tidal wave of change that is flooding human consciousness.

The tidal wave is coming as our dreams and our every day lives burst through the old and tired barriers of economically driven greed and return to the foundations of a sustainable and just life for each person in every community.

Our consciousness is changing our perceptions of ourselves and our social and cultural institutions, and this in turn is changing our lifestyles. We hear the indigenous people telling us how everything is tied together, that the spirit of the stone and the spirit of the mountain are inextricably linked to our own spirits. We are dreaming a powerful new way of living within nature, not "conquering" or destroying her.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-perk ... 62791.html

[moonwhim]

So, Rosabella, Mark, and Mummy, do you folks believe in taking any action against the criminal gadiantons?

What action are you proposing? The way it is put could range from temple work to missionary work to voting. Any righteous endeavor by nature is counter to the work of the secret societies.....

Personally I believe in crying repentance.....and this also can take a variety of forms/approaches. I know of some people who are sacrificing a great deal of time and energy in an effort to cry repentance to the masses with respect to fundamental laws of nature (one could say of God) - both economic and political. Even that appears hopeless in light of the situation we are in (one could easily describe it as awful - rampant socialism...also called stealing, consolidation of government power, and the fundamental end of our monetary system that by design consolidates all power and wealth to those who create the money....offer credit). I have transitioned over the past year from simply putting out information (blogs, forums, videos, books, etc) to more of pointing out the fulfillment of prophecy (last call to awake - friends, family, this forum, etc.) to hopefully now a more pointed and basic message that the Savior is indeed the Savior and the sole means of our escape.

To briefly sum it up......I have lost hope in converting the majority to retaking lost liberties and government power but I yet have hope for converting a minority to the fact that they must be in tune and in alignment with the Savior if they are going to escape the judgments that I believe will soon be poured out in earnest!

My take and stand on it....for better or worse....and whatever its worth.

Thanks Mummy for giving me an honest answer. The fact that you "have lost hope in converting the majority to retaking lost liberties" explains to me why you have responded like you did in previous posts.

[Jason]

So, Rosabella, Mark, and Mummy, do you folks believe in taking any action against the criminal gadiantons?

What action are you proposing? The way it is put could range from temple work to missionary work to voting. Any righteous endeavor by nature is counter to the work of the secret societies.....

Personally I believe in crying repentance.....and this also can take a variety of forms/approaches. I know of some people who are sacrificing a great deal of time and energy in an effort to cry repentance to the masses with respect to fundamental laws of nature (one could say of God) - both economic and political. Even that appears hopeless in light of the situation we are in (one could easily describe it as awful - rampant socialism...also called stealing, consolidation of government power, and the fundamental end of our monetary system that by design consolidates all power and wealth to those who create the money....offer credit). I have transitioned over the past year from simply putting out information (blogs, forums, videos, books, etc) to more of pointing out the fulfillment of prophecy (last call to awake - friends, family, this forum, etc.) to hopefully now a more pointed and basic message that the Savior is indeed the Savior and the sole means of our escape.

To briefly sum it up......I have lost hope in converting the majority to retaking lost liberties and government power but I yet have hope for converting a minority to the fact that they must be in tune and in alignment with the Savior if they are going to escape the judgments that I believe will soon be poured out in earnest!

My take and stand on it....for better or worse....and whatever its worth.

Thanks Mummy for giving me an honest answer. The fact that you "have lost hope in converting the majority to retaking lost liberties" explains to me why you have responded like you did in previous posts.

Your welcome.....sorry I didn't make that clear earlier.

[Mark]

So, Rosabella, Mark, and Mummy, do you folks believe in taking any action against the criminal gadiantons?

“Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.” (Prov. 14:34.)

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. . . . Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.” (Washington's Farewell address.)

“God rules this world. It is the duty of nations as well as men to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions in humble sorrow . . . and to recognize the sublime truth that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.” ( Abraham Lincoln)

“Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction.” (Thomas Jefferson)

The founding fathers knew that “where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” (2 Cor. 3:17.) The United States of America began and lives as a result of faith in God. (Pres. Benson)

[lundbaek]

"Stand up and fight until you hear the bell,
Stand toe to toe, trade blow for blow
Keep punching til you hear that final bell,
Show them folks what you know.
Until you hear that bell, the final bell,
Stand up and fight like hell!"

From my recollection of the operetta "Carmen Jones", adapted from the Toreador song from the opera "Carmen"

[Jason]

tricky little devils with such titles like "Many are called, few are chosen"
http://www.amazon.com/Many-Were-Called- ... 1884410006

and also the author of "Interdimensional Communication: The Art and Science of Talking to Ghosts, Spirits, Angels and Other Dead People"
http://www.amazon.com/Interdimensional- ... 759&sr=1-3

Foundation for Unity Consciousness - Suggested Reading List (pretty good list of new age works) -
http://www.foundationforunity.com/insid ... ge=reading

[moonwhim]

So, Rosabella, Mark, and Mummy, do you folks believe in taking any action against the criminal gadiantons?

What kind of action?

If you know me you know how I fight them everyday, if not, others on this site do. I have a bit of a different paradigm I guess than some others on how to fight the real Combination. I focus more on the Combination as a Spiritual then political movement. The Combination is created by a spiritual plan of the adversary's, so for me that is the root of it all. From there they control the rest to bring about their spirituality. I focus on even the basics that our nation has walked away from believing in a God and submitting to Him "Father They will be done". If our nations turned to God the conspiracy would be destroyed. We could have another Enoch if only we would choose that path. But we have and are choosing the path of destruction because we are embracing wickedness, not because we are not fighting the Gadiantions, but because we have walked away from God as a nation. Call the people to repentance is the only hope we have. You cannot wake them just to a conspiracy, they need to awake to repentance. Those that wake to a conspiracy without the true Gospel get lead down the path of the adversary's spirituality. Therefore become what they think they are fighting against.

I agree with your position on calling people to repentence....that is essential. But I disagree with your statement that "Those that wake to a conspiracy without the true Gospel get lead down the path of the adversary's spirituality. Therefore become what they think they are fighting against." I wasn't a Mormon once and I was a good person and had a testimony of Christ and I understood what the "conspiracy" was and their plans and accomplishments......I wasn't being lead down some path by the adversary. There are a lot of good people still in America, and they don't need to be Mormons to be able to do good works and to help save America. In fact look at all the Mormons who are being deceived by the devil.

[lundbaek]

Repentance includes getting off your knees and rolling up your sleeves.

If anyone needs to be called to repentance, I think it is the American members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who are under a divinely mandated obligation to defend, uphold, and abide by the principles of the Constitution of the United States and fail to do so. They have, I believe, the most serious responsibility of any people to prepare a remnant that will ultimately restore the principles of the U.S. Constitution as approved by the Lord to our government.

[InfoWarrior82]

I have a question: Could the trap the LDGs fall in that they laid for us (Rev.) occur because we, as a nation, are woken up and bring them down? If this is the case, it would be necessary to keep fighting to warn others.

[Jason]

Repentance includes getting off your knees and rolling up your sleeves.

If anyone needs to be called to repentance, I think it is the American members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who are under a divinely mandated obligation to defend, uphold, and abide by the principles of the Constitution of the United States and fail to do so. They have, I believe, the most serious responsibility of any people to prepare a remnant that will ultimately restore the principles of the U.S. Constitution as approved by the Lord to our government.

Amen! Requires fully awakening to the awful (wicked) situation - or fully realizing the power and control that will be wielded for a time. imo this is the iron fist of government that will shortly manifest itself.....things like government banking (direct control over your personal finances and ability to play in the economy) and persecution.....prior to the collapse of government and the the building of Zion based on Constitutional principles.

"The way ahead is dark and dreary and dreadful. There will yet be martyrs; the doors in Carthage shall again enclose the innocent. We have not been promised that the trials and evils of the world will entirely pass us by.”

“This is the great day of Satan’s power. Gadianton robbers fill the judgment seats in many nations. For those who finish their journey to Mount Zion, to stand with the Lamb, the way ahead is dark and dreary and dreadful. Our worst persecution is NOT behind us. The doors of Carthage shall again enclose the innocent. We shall yet weep more tears for Zion than we have ever known before.”

- Elder Bruce R. McConkie, October 1980 general conference

[Rosabella]

So, Rosabella, Mark, and Mummy, do you folks believe in taking any action against the criminal gadiantons?

What kind of action?

If you know me you know how I fight them everyday, if not, others on this site do. I have a bit of a different paradigm I guess than some others on how to fight the real Combination. I focus more on the Combination as a Spiritual then political movement. The Combination is created by a spiritual plan of the adversary's, so for me that is the root of it all. From there they control the rest to bring about their spirituality. I focus on even the basics that our nation has walked away from believing in a God and submitting to Him "Father They will be done". If our nations turned to God the conspiracy would be destroyed. We could have another Enoch if only we would choose that path. But we have and are choosing the path of destruction because we are embracing wickedness, not because we are not fighting the Gadiantions, but because we have walked away from God as a nation. Call the people to repentance is the only hope we have. You cannot wake them just to a conspiracy, they need to awake to repentance. Those that wake to a conspiracy without the true Gospel get lead down the path of the adversary's spirituality. Therefore become what they think they are fighting against.

I agree with your position on calling people to repentence....that is essential. But I disagree with your statement that "Those that wake to a conspiracy without the true Gospel get lead down the path of the adversary's spirituality. Therefore become what they think they are fighting against." I wasn't a Mormon once and I was a good person and had a testimony of Christ and I understood what the "conspiracy" was and their plans and accomplishments......I wasn't being lead down some path by the adversary. There are a lot of good people still in America, and they don't need to be Mormons to be able to do good works and to help save America. In fact look at all the Mormons who are being deceived by the devil.

I am a convert also. I knew before I joined the church about the conspiracy. What I am trying to say is that "todays" conspiracy there are tons of New Age groups that win over and convert even the LDS to this new spirituality to fight against the Conspiracy. The conspiracy has evolved and changed. It is looked at different then the times of President Benson and prior. What the world teaches is not the same Conspiracy that President Benson talked about. It is similar but different enough to lead people out of the Church.

[moonwhim]

So Bella, are you saying that we shouldn't take actions against the gadiantons because we will be lead astray by new age groups?

[Rosabella]

So Bella, are you saying that we shouldn't take actions against the gadiantons because we will be lead astray by new age groups?

No but we need to understand better who and what the conspiracy really is. Right now soooo many of those that think they understand the conspiracy have fallen for its decoy. The Conspircy that President Benson preached against (politically) was not the same as which is now preached in the world's mainstream conspiracy theorists.

I just wrote this on another thread: (the Micheal Jackson killed by illuminati thread)

The Illuminati/One World Order and the New Spirituality are on the same side.

They have been creating a Straw man One World Order by spreading fear of the Illuminati, world bankers, the old boy network in general and organized religion. So that they can "cure" this artificial threat with the real One World Order they are trying to establish. Which includes the new age movement in all of its aspects. Including "unity instead of hatred and separation" that is their mantra. Global peace, brotherhood, communitarianism and the new spirituality. ( Luciferianism) So many now are fighting the false conspiracy while the real one is taking growing stronger and gaining a hold rapidly.

Many are being lead down the path of the Real New World Order, the ones that want to overthrow the old establishment and birth a new world that the everyday man can be free of the PTB including all Religions. The New age spirituality is taking over and fake fighting the PTB just to in the end create the real New World Order. It is so important to see the agenda behind the agenda. They are creating a false fight appearing to be against the powers that want to control the world to free it from oppression and once over thrown they can create their world peace which will look oddly similar to the New World Order we have grown to hate. They are trying to make it look like a revolution over the small evil group off people that control the world and put the world in the hands of the everyday man. Does that not sound like the same stuff that was preached that created Communism? They are just doing it on a world wide scale and now have added their spirituality of Love and Peace and Tolerance and want NO Separation. This includes no separation of the Global resources, countries, religion etc It even includes that man is not separate from God but is God.

[moonwhim]

So Bella, are you saying that we shouldn't take actions against the gadiantons because we will be lead astray by new age groups?

No but we need to understand better who and what it really is. Right now soooo many of those that think they understand the conspiracy have fallen for its decoy. The Conspircy that President Benson preached against (politically) was not the same as which is now preached in the world's mainstream conspiracy theorists.

I just wrote this on another thread: (the Micheal Jackson killed by illuminati thread)

The Illuminati/One World Order and the New Spirituality are on the same side.

They have been creating a Straw man One World Order by spreading fear of the Illuminati, world bankers, the old boy network in general and organized religion. So that they can "cure" this artificial threat with the real One World Order they are trying to establish. Which includes the new age movement in all of its aspects. Including "unity instead of hatred and separation" that is their mantra. Global peace, brotherhood, communitarianism and the new spirituality. ( Luciferianism) So many now are fighting the false conspiracy while the real one is taking growing stronger and gaining a hold rapidly.

Many are being lead down the path of the Real New World Order, the ones that want to overthrow the old establishment and birth a new world that the everyday man can be free of the PTB including all Religions. The New age spirituality is taking over and fake fighting the PTB just to in the end create the real New World Order. It is so important to see the agenda behind the agenda. They are creating a false fight appearing to be against the powers that want to control the world to free it from oppression and once over thrown they can create their world peace which will look oddly similar to the New World Order we have grown to hate. They are trying to make it look like a revolution over the small evil group off people that control the world and put the world in the hands of the everyday man. Does that not sound like the same stuff that was preached that created Communism? They are just doing it on a world wide scale and now have added their spirituality of Love and Peace and Tolerance and want NO Separation. This includes no separation of the Global resources, countries, religion etc It even includes that man is not separate from God but is God.

What do you think of Alex Jones and the information and videos he has produced?

[Rosabella]

So Bella, are you saying that we shouldn't take actions against the gadiantons because we will be lead astray by new age groups?

No but we need to understand better who and what it really is. Right now soooo many of those that think they understand the conspiracy have fallen for its decoy. The Conspircy that President Benson preached against (politically) was not the same as which is now preached in the world's mainstream conspiracy theorists.

I just wrote this on another thread: (the Micheal Jackson killed by illuminati thread)

The Illuminati/One World Order and the New Spirituality are on the same side.

They have been creating a Straw man One World Order by spreading fear of the Illuminati, world bankers, the old boy network in general and organized religion. So that they can "cure" this artificial threat with the real One World Order they are trying to establish. Which includes the new age movement in all of its aspects. Including "unity instead of hatred and separation" that is their mantra. Global peace, brotherhood, communitarianism and the new spirituality. ( Luciferianism) So many now are fighting the false conspiracy while the real one is taking growing stronger and gaining a hold rapidly.

Many are being lead down the path of the Real New World Order, the ones that want to overthrow the old establishment and birth a new world that the everyday man can be free of the PTB including all Religions. The New age spirituality is taking over and fake fighting the PTB just to in the end create the real New World Order. It is so important to see the agenda behind the agenda. They are creating a false fight appearing to be against the powers that want to control the world to free it from oppression and once over thrown they can create their world peace which will look oddly similar to the New World Order we have grown to hate. They are trying to make it look like a revolution over the small evil group off people that control the world and put the world in the hands of the everyday man. Does that not sound like the same stuff that was preached that created Communism? They are just doing it on a world wide scale and now have added their spirituality of Love and Peace and Tolerance and want NO Separation. This includes no separation of the Global resources, countries, religion etc It even includes that man is not separate from God but is God.

What do you think of Alex Jones and the information and videos he has produced?

I am not sure you will like my view, but I am deeply concerned that Alex supports and has on his show new agers. There are points he says that are correct and go back to the times of President Benson, but there is other things that you can say have been "added upon" that I do not feel are the real conspiracy or may be better said, not explained through the correct paradigm to understand the whole picture. There is quite a bit of hype without some truly important pieces that he neglects. To really grasp what the real conspiracy is. If Alex got the real view it he would not promote aspects he does. I do not want this to turn into Alex is wonderful or Alex is evil. I just do not see through his paradigm. It is missing key elements and without those things appear different then they are.

[ndjili]

They are trying to make it look like a revolution over the small evil group off people that control the world and put the world in the hands of the everyday man. Does that not sound like the same stuff that was preached that created Communism?

I agree. I think they are really trying to get a revolution. I believe communism is just the Antithesis or the Constitutions Thesis...What's coming next, Synthesis, is much much worse than I think we can even imagine. I'm concerned with Alex Jones getting so cozy with David Icke who is so New Age I'm surprised he hasnt been on Oprah yet.

I agree with Mark, Bella and Mummy, God and repentance are all that can save us now. So how to we help and fight the gadiantons....missionary work....Doing our church callings, Visiting and Home Teaching...All the things we should be doing as parent to teach our children correct principles and not allowing the world the access to our families that we do..Temple work. Oh and one doesnt totally have to be Mormon to get the true gospel in it's simplest form. But too many Christians are idle Christians who become "saved" and do nothing after that. Idleness is our downfall. Too many people rely on war and revolution to fight things and not enough fight things by doing what God asks of us.

[Sudilly]

No need to get personal....especially when the evidence is so absolutely stacked against your comment that it is obvious to even the most cursory observer that you are simply kicking against the bricks!

http://yophat.blogspot.com/

...but if it makes you feel better....by all means proceed!

Warning! I clicked on that link and got a malware warning which I have never seen on any other site, so I quickly shut it down.

[moonwhim]

I don't agree with many posting here that say that all we can do now is our church callings, go to the temple, missionary work, etc. I believe we can and must do more than that to defend our freedoms and our families. If a criminal comes to my home to hurt me, my wife, and my children, do I go do my home teaching and let him hurt my family or do I stop the criminal instead.

[Amore Vero]

I am deeply concerned that Alex supports and has on his show new agers. There are points he says that are correct and go back to the times of President Benson, but there is other things that you can say have been "added upon" that I do not feel are the real conspiracy or may be better said, not explained through the correct paradigm to understand the whole picture. There is quite a bit of hype without some truly important pieces that he neglects. To really grasp what the real conspiracy is. If Alex got the real view it he would not promote aspects he does. I do not want this to turn into Alex is wonderful or Alex is evil. I just do not see through his paradigm. It is missing key elements and without those things appear different then they are.

I agree, he does miss some things & has some questionable people on but that is probably because he doesn't have the advantage of the full light of the Gospel. He does seem teachable, & seems to listen to & sense other good & wise men like Joel Skousen.

But at the end of the day, where is there a man, even in the Church, who like Moroni did, is doing a man's or leader's 'greatest responsibility', that of 'standing up for freedom & the protection of women & children' like Alex Jones ? Our Church cannot last for long without freedom & protection of women & children. Alex seems to be accomplishing much more with much less spiritual knowledge than almost all the Elders of Isreal seem to be doing. How can that be?

Rosabella, you seem to have good discernment. That is so wonderful to see. I enjoy your posts.

[Amore Vero]

I don't agree with many posting here that say that all we can do now is our church callings, go to the temple, missionary work, etc. I believe we can and must do more than that to defend our freedoms and our families. If a criminal comes to my home to hurt me, my wife, and my children, do I go do my home teaching and let him hurt my family or do I stop the criminal instead.

I agree. I appreciate men like you who feel that way. Thank you!

[Rosabella]

I don't agree with many posting here that say that all we can do now is our church callings, go to the temple, missionary work, etc. I believe we can and must do more than that to defend our freedoms and our families. If a criminal comes to my home to hurt me, my wife, and my children, do I go do my home teaching and let him hurt my family or do I stop the criminal instead.

I would ask who is responsible to build the Lord's Kingdom? Have we not been asked to do just that? No one else can do this great work. If we as members of Christ Church do not do this who will?

In saying that, that does not mean we do not take stands for what is right. We share the Gospel, call people to repentance (which is not pointing fingers at them, it is sharing the Gospel and its importance), and warn our neighbors.

We vote, we teach, we warn, we proclaim the truths, we educate. We cannot declare a war against the world. The world already is declaring war against us. We just need to stand strong and steadfast in our principles as they wage their war against us.

What I read in the Scriptures is that truly in the end our Church Institution or just man in general cannot defeat the Beast by its self, it is by God's power that in the end the wicked will be destroyed. The best way for us to fight is to be worthy and help others be worthy to be instruments in the hands of God. God's power is far greater than the Adversary's. We must be endowed from on High with the powers of Heaven to do the work we were sent here to do at this time. This is not a "churchy" answer it is the answer.

If we focus primarily on the temporal part of this war I feel we loose the perspective of the Spiritual battle for souls. All of it is important but first is Spiritual second is temporal.

[Rosabella]

where is there a man, even in the Church, who like Moroni did, is doing a man's or leader's 'greatest responsibility', that of 'standing up for freedom & the protection of women & children'

I say look for those that are calling people back to the God of Abraham and calling them to repentance and prayer and calling people back to the Divine Constitution as it was written and you will find Moroni(s)

[ndjili]

I don't agree with many posting here that say that all we can do now is our church callings, go to the temple, missionary work, etc. I believe we can and must do more than that to defend our freedoms and our families. If a criminal comes to my home to hurt me, my wife, and my children, do I go do my home teaching and let him hurt my family or do I stop the criminal instead.

That's all well and good but we should not be the agressor. If a criminal attacks your family..you defend them...you dont start the fight and go looking for the fight. Right now the taking of our freedoms is still a spiritual war at this point. We have not physically been attacked to a point to start a revolution (which come on think about it..is what TPTB want...super easy to take all the freedoms all at once forever with martial law). We can still be saved by at this point only by God. In our Stake and in General Conference, repentance and missionary work were the key talks. That is God's counsel for us at this time. We are not told or asked to start a revolution or war right now, we are asked to save souls. It is not the passive or lazy way to do that which we have been asked. Wickedness is what causes the gadiantons and wars. Let's not forget Moroni did not go start the wars...they all preached repentance first. Relying on God right now is all we can do at this point. Follow His commandments, do what He asks. All the freedom fighting and Tea Party movements wont be worth a hill of beans without God. But it's not a fun or easy answer for us to do the simple things.

[Mark]

I don't agree with many posting here that say that all we can do now is our church callings, go to the temple, missionary work, etc. I believe we can and must do more than that to defend our freedoms and our families. If a criminal comes to my home to hurt me, my wife, and my children, do I go do my home teaching and let him hurt my family or do I stop the criminal instead.

That's all well and good but we should not be the agressor. If a criminal attacks your family..you defend them...you dont start the fight and go looking for the fight. Right now the taking of our freedoms is still a spiritual war at this point. We have not physically been attacked to a point to start a revolution (which come on think about it..is what TPTB want...super easy to take all the freedoms all at once forever with martial law). We can still be saved by at this point only by God. In our Stake and in General Conference, repentance and missionary work were the key talks. That is God's counsel for us at this time. We are not told or asked to start a revolution or war right now, we are asked to save souls. It is not the passive or lazy way to do that which we have been asked. Wickedness is what causes the gadiantons and wars. Let's not forget Moroni did not go start the wars...they all preached repentance first. Relying on God right now is all we can do at this point. Follow His commandments, do what He asks. All the freedom fighting and Tea Party movements wont be worth a hill of beans without God. But it's not a fun or easy answer for us to do the simple things.

You are absolutely right here ndjili and Rosabella. A return to God is the only answer to what ails us as a nation and a civilization. Elder Packer spoke in conference about this some years ago in a talk titled "Washed Clean". He started his talk by saying:

My message is to our young people. We have great concern for young people who grow up without values on which to base their conduct. I have long believed that the study of the doctrines of the gospel will improve behavior quicker than talking about behavior will improve behavior.
The study of behavior is greatly improved when linked to standards and to values. Practical values, useful in everyday life, are found in the scriptures and the doctrines they reveal. I will give you one example: "We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel."1
You should learn while you are young that while the Atonement of Christ applies to humanity in general, the influence of it is individual, very personal, and very useful. Even to you beginners, an understanding of the Atonement is of immediate and very practical value in everyday life.

As has been said by our founders this constitutional republic is only suitable for a good and moral people. It just does not function when morality and virtue is lost. Pres. Benson said:

His word is one of the most valuable gifts He has given us. I urge you to recommit yourselves to a study of the scriptures. Immerse yourselves in them daily so you will have the power of the Spirit to attend you in your callings. Read them in your families and teach your children to love and treasure them. Then prayerfully and in counsel with others, seek every way possible to encourage the members of the Church to follow your example. If you do so, you will find, as Alma did, that “the word [has] a great tendency to lead people to do that which [is] just—yea, it [has] more powerful effect upon the minds of the people than the sword, or anything else, which [has] happened unto them.” (Alma 31:5.)

Nothing will change unless hearts are turned to God and repentance becomes a reality to those who live on this globe.