This cuts both ways. A strong "anti-man" rhetoric is no better then a strong "anti-woman" rhetoric. You're suggesting that a one vote per household system wouldn't work in today's world, but look at where we've gotten by handing out votes to everyone that can fog a mirror. Both systems have problems when abused, why not move to a constitutional system and work on solving the problems?Amore Vero wrote:Having one vote per household would only work in Zion, where both spouses were righteous & wanted the same things or where the man would always go with what his wife wanted as he is commanded to do.Hyrcanus wrote: So the problem isn't women voting or not voting. If we ran the country the way I believe the Lord originally intended it. Each household would have a vote; families would discuss the elections and come of a conclusion through careful thought and prayer of who to cast their vote for. Sadly, this isn't the way it works today, but I don't think we should allow lazy thinking to lead us to the conclusion that one gender or the other is to blame for the problems.
In a Telestial world you have many, if not most, marriages where the husband & wife feel differently about political matters, & most husbands will use unrighteous dominion & think he has the last say & make the decision himself usually according to what he wants to do.
To base voting upon an abusive system of marriage where only men own the family property & thus have a say in public affairs, only makes things worse in society. One of the problems in our world has been that men have not honored women's equal rights, such as owning property. God wants woman to equally own all property in marriage. Both should be considered land owners. But men have abusively controlled women throughout most of history & not honored her equal rights to property as God intended her to have.
Had women been allowed to vote before now, they would have changed that property rights thing quick, & rightfully so. God never intended for men to own the family property by himself & make any decisions by himself or have the last say.
Amazingly enough in even 2010, a few men still choose to believe they have the last say in decision making. But as the Lord warns us, when a couple can't agree on something, it is the inclination of almost all men to want to just make the decision himself & do what he thinks is best. But that is spouse abuse & control. The same as if a woman tried it.
The Prophets have said that a man who thinks he has the last say or makes decisions against the consent or agreement of his wife, should be tried for his membership. Pres. Hinckley said excommunication is usually the penalty for such, for it is unrighteous dominion & severe abuse.
It is also a sin for a wife to allow her husband to think he has the last say or make decisions against her will & consent. Heavenly Father expects wives to call for respect from their husbands & not allow him to abuse & control her & disrespect her equal say & veto power in all decisions. If he still forces his will upon her even after she tries to teach him what is right, then she is not accountable for his abusive decision making.
Like the House & the Senate, Husbands & wives are completely equal in the governing & presiding & decision making of the marriage & family. No decision can be put in force righteously unless both agree. And no woman is obligated to go along with her husband's if she does not believe his opinion or desire to be good or right or something she agrees with or wants to do.
In an impasse, where they cannot agree on something, the Prophets teach that a righteous husband would always go with whatever the wife wanted or desired & not with what he wanted to do, unless what she wanted was down right evil of course.
The Proclamation of course does not list all of the woman's roles, it only lists her most vital one. This was a Proclamation going out to the world, where the Prophet knew that many men throughout the world are still not willing to honor their wife's equal position in leadership yet. But Prophets have taught the members of the Church over & over that she also presides equally with the man over the family as a 'co-presider & president', as Elder Perry said.
Though most men reading this are probably righteous & would never think they have the last say or be abusive to their wife, there are still some men today who believe such is ok. The Church says that righteous men have a duty to protect all women from abuse, so if they know of other men with such errant thinking & behavior, they must speak up & help stop his abuse & protect the wife, even if she doesn't realize she is being abused & is ok with it, as some wives sadly are.
Families should already be striving for unity in their homes. I'm not sure the Lord considers it any less of a problem if husbands and wives vote in different directions today, instead of butting heads about it under a one vote per home system.
As far as the roles of husbands and wives, I'll leave it to the Prophet to let us know if he left any roles off the Proclamation. I won't assume he has more for me as a husband, it isn't any wiser to assume he has additional for my wife. We have to base our behavior on what the prophets have told us to do, not what we think they may tell us to do at some future date.