Dr. Ron Paul: Why Governments Hate Gold

[Darren]

Below is the information that demonstrates that it is not possible to operate the world wide modern economy by using all of the available gold and silver in existence today. The world wide modern economy is just too big to try to value it by all the available gold and silver.

The system that actually runs the world operates upon trust and justice, with gold and silver coins being a relic of antiquated system of the past.

It is time to move on with the system that has actually run the world for millenniums, and by removing the parasitical control system of the Apostate, that fails, of gold coin money and faith in politicians.


(From the paper, "TO: BILL GATES AND ALL LEADERSHIP PERSONNEL AT MICROSOFT" pp. 4-7, by Bruce Wydner)

The “Founders” of our American Way of Life, who were those who began the Settlement of the English-speaking People into what became the US North, said, in Their Innovation of the World’s First Written Constitutions, (which all Countries around the World, today, except a very few, have adopted for themselves), that their “Only End” in coming to this Land, occupied by the Native American People, included that we wanted to share with them our Information which developed for us our Highest Standard of Living of any of the People of the World, in order that they, also, may enjoy learning of and living in that Highest Standard of Living in the World, with us, instead of in the relative poverty conditions that they had been living in.

This New England Way of Life, followed by all of the “American Free Men” of the Township Meetings of New England, was our attempt to continue, here in North America, the Tradition of our Forefathers, the London Free Men of the Hanseatic League City of London, that was a Member City of the Cities of the Hanseatic League of the Northern European People, the Free Men of which Hanseatic League Cities continued “The Free Enterprise System of their Free Men Forefathers,” which seems to so much of the Population of the World, today, to be the Best Way that there is for the People of the World to live.

After he retired from being the Prime Minister of England, Winston Churchill wrote the Volumes that he entitled, “The History of the English-speaking People.” In the Volume where he addresses the Ancestral Law of the English-speaking People he states: “The Liberties of Englishmen rested not on any enactment of the State, but on immemorial, slow-growing Custom, delivered by Juries of Free Men, as they gave their Verdicts case by case, in open court.”

What Churchill said there introduces an “end” to one way of life that the People of the World have had to live by, and is an introduction to the way of life that most of the People of the World would like to live. So, let’s look at these two things.

The Old Testament of the Bible speaks of the Confusion of Tongues because of the building of the Tower of Babel. When the Peoples living in the Mesopotamian Valley, the Valley that the Tower of Babel (“Babyl-on” in Ancient Greek) was built in, could not understand each other, any more, with their Valley remaining the Main Trade Route of the People of the World, between the Far East, on one side, and Europe and Africa on the other, they needed some way to communicate with each other to let that “International Trade” continue. They came upon the idea of making coins out of the Gold and Silver Resources of that Area, and that was the Invention of “Money” = “Coins” that the People of that part of the World lived by for Millenniums, after that.

Northwest Europeans, having suffered from Attacks upon them, paid for by those who controlled that Middle Eastern Trade, (the Attacks from the Huns, under Attila, from Genghis Khan, etc.), they organized their Naval Power and took the control over that International Trade, through the Mesopotamian Valley, to Europe, away from their Enemies, in their Wars there called, “the Crusades.” They needed to adapt to the Management of that Trade by Metal Coins, so they made an Invention. There has never been any Gold found on the Western European Continent, except in recent times some small amounts have been found in some Swedish Steel Mines, in Swedish Lapland, in the Arctic Circle part of Sweden. The Ancestral Free Enterprise System of the North European People operated on the Values that are, today, called, “Stocks and Bonds.” These “Stocks” are the traditional “Voting Stocks” of the “Free Men” Workers in the Free Enterprise System of the Hanseatic League of the Northwest European People. [In their Ancestral Nordic Languages when one “heal-s,” the result is “heal-th.” If a person “steal-s through the shadows,” the result is “steal-th.” When one “weal-s,” the result is “weal-th.” In the Languages of Nordic Europe the word for “vote” is “weal.” In the Ancestral Free Enterprise System of Nordic Europe that which an individual Free Man produces, with his Work, is his “Stewardship,” his Property. His Vote, in his Town Meeting, his “Corporation” is the size of the Value of his Property within that Corporation. That is, he gets to “vote,” to “weal,” according to the size of the Value of his Property, within his Corporation, which is the “size of his Wealth.”

When the Northwest Europeans took over the Control of World Trade, away from their Enemies who had been attacking them, they invented a kind of a version of their “Stocks and Bonds” in order to be able to work best with that Babylonian Concept of Gold and Silver Coins, which was their Invention of “Bills and Notes.”

THIS HAS ALL CHANGED NOW, WITH THE USA’S INVENTION OF THE INTERNET, WHICH SO MUCH OF THE WORLD IS OPERATING BY, TODAY.
For about the last Decade, now, it has been said that the People of the USA do over 90% of their Financial Transactions, Electronically, using the Internet. In Bill Gates’ book, “The Road Ahead,” it mentions how, in about 1997, “the Internet really took off.” That would be shortly after the time when the Financial Powers from the Bank of England etc. stole Novell from its “pioneer developer,” who had taken it over, as it was failing, from the Thieves who stole it from its Inventor, and had made it into a Company bringing in over a Billion Dollars a year by selling its “Invention of the Internet Services” to the World Market.

In the final edition of Time Magazine for the year 1997, its article on this subject points out how, “Every day, during the year 1997, the People of the World bought 15 TRILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF STOCK ON THE INTERNET.” Multiplying that Amount by 250 Work Days in a year, that comes out as $3.75 Quadrillion worth of Stock that the People of the World bought, that year, over the Internet.

[After the Pilgrims began the Settlement of New England, during the 1630’s about 20,000 Settlers from England, led by the Fishermen of the London Guild of its Fishermen, came to New England with a principal goal for them to fish what was then the most productive Fishery in the North Atlantic, the Grand Banks Fishery, off of the Coast of New England. However, after they came a Civil War broke out in Old England between the Free Men of the Guilds of London etc. and that which can be thought of as “the Dark Ages Introduction into the Lives of the Northwest European People of the ‘Babylonian-Persian-Ancient Greek-Ancient Roman’ idea of ruling by Monarchies.” The Monarchy of England, at first, lost out in that Civil War; and England was operated, for a while, by the Free Men of London etc., as the “Commonwealth” of the English People. However, since the Free Men of London didn’t know all that well how “the Leading” is done with that Dark Ages Introduction into Medieval Europe of Babylonian “Money,” operated by that Babylonian concept of Monarchies, the Leader of those Free Men of London allowed into London, from the Continent of Europe, some of those who felt that they were those Leaders in the use of Money. Those would-be Leaders then did what they needed to do to end that Commonwealth and reintroduce to England its previous Monarchy. Then, they introduced into London the basis of the Plague, (that they were experts on), that devastated so much of Life among the Free Men of London, that was called, “the Great Plague of London.” Then, to remove that Pestilence that they had introduced there, in order that they could operate from there, they began, “the Great Fire of London.” After that they established their “Central Bank” there, the Bank of England, which, thereafter, began ruling England with their Babylonian Money, instead of London continuing to operate as it had, since its founding, when the Angles and Saxons first came there, by their Ancestral Free Enterprise System.]

So, now, the Facts.

After the Americans’ introduction to the World of their “Gift” to the World of the Internet, after the time when, “the Internet really took off,” beginning in 1997, “the People of the World” began “buying 15 Trillion Dollars worth of Stock, ON THE INTERNET, every day” of that year. An estimate of the Value of all of the Gold that has ever been mined, in the History of the World, has been that all of it may have been worth about $3.5 Trillion, at the old price for Gold, before its price began its recent skyrocketing. That is, that previous Total Value of all of the Gold that had ever been mined would be about ¼ of the Value of the Free Enterprise System’s Stock, that began being bought in one day, every day, on the Internet, beginning in 1997.

And, for many years now the People of the USA have been doing over 90% of their Financial Transactions, electronically, over the USA’s Gift to the World of its Invention of the Internet; and they have been doing, recently, progressively less and less, below 10%, of their Financial Transactions over the Northwest Europeans’ Medieval “alternative” for their Stocks and Bonds, which were “Bills and Notes,” which those who paid their Medieval Attackers, (the Controllers of the Gold that was brought to Medieval Europe), in order for them to be able to continue their control over what had been their Babylonian Concept of Money, set up their Concept of Central Banks in order for them to become the new “Administrators” of the concept of the “Bills and Notes (Money)” that the Northwest Europeans had begun using. AND, TODAY, AMONG THE PEOPLE OF THE USA, IT MAY BE THAT THEIR USE OF THE BABYLONIAN INVENTION OF METALLIC COINS MONEY IS AS LITTLE AS 1/1,000th of the Value that is used in all of their Financial Transactions.

“WHAT ARE THE ‘CONTINUERS,’ OF THE BABYLONIAN CONCEPT OF ‘MONEY,’ WHO THOUGHT UP THEIR IDEA OF ‘CENTRAL BANKS,’ WHO HAD BROUGHT TO WESTERN EUROPE THEIR CONCEPT OF OPERATING BY BABYLONIAN MONEY, WHO HAD EXTENDED THAT CONTROL OF THEIRS TO CONTROL THE NORTHWEST EUROPEANS’ IDEA OF BILLS AND NOTES, GOING TO DO, NOW, AS THE WHOLE WORLD IS SWITCHING OVER TO OPERATING ON THE AMERICANS’ INVENTION OF THE INTERNET, AS THEY HAVE, ALSO, BEGUN THEIR OPERATING ON THE FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM OF THE NORTHWEST EUROPEANS’ ANCESTRAL ‘INNOVATION’ OF THEIR CONCEPT OF ‘WEALTH’?”

[LoveIsTruth]

And whilst clamoring for "hard" money...actually pushing digital competing private currencies (notes and digital notes supposedly to be backed by precious metals - who would be doing the auditing?)...

Who does the auditing of milk or blue cheese in the store? Customers do! Who does the auditing of shoes or shirts? The customers do!

Money in a Free Market is no different. If there is an unstable or a dishonest currency in a Free Market it will be rejected by the customers in favor of a more stable and more honest one,-- a currency that preserves their wealth.

What you do not understand, is that when there is free competition in currencies, people will reject fraudulent currencies that rob them, and stay with those which are stable and preserve their wealth. That's the beauty of free competition vs. government forced monopoly that we have now.

In a free competition a superior product wins because it is freely preferred by the customers over inferior products. It is true for money as for anything else in a Free Market.

And Ron Paul unequivocally states that hard money like gold and silver are the most stable and most honest currencies known to man, and is the wisest choice in the world now.

God and his prophets happen to agree with him on this point.

[Jason]

And whilst clamoring for "hard" money...actually pushing digital competing private currencies (notes and digital notes supposedly to be backed by precious metals - who would be doing the auditing?)...

Who does the auditing of milk or blue cheese in the store? Customers do! Who does the auditing of shoes or shirts? The customers do!

Money in a Free Market is no different. If there is an unstable or a dishonest currency in a Free Market it will be rejected by the customers in favor of a more stable and more honest one,-- a currency that preserves their wealth.

What you do not understand, is that when there is free competition in currencies, people will reject fraudulent currencies that rob them, and stay with those which are stable and preserve their wealth. That's the beauty of free competition vs. government forced monopoly that we have now.

In a free competition a superior product wins because it is freely preferred by the customers over inferior products. It is true for money as for anything else in a Free Market.

And Ron Paul unequivocally states that hard money like gold and silver are the most stable and most honest currencies known to man, and is the wisest choice in the world now. God and his prophets happen to agree with him on this point.

Oh please lets not start that...there are so many toxins in products these days...and chicanery at all levels (like part of Walmart's product cost not showing up on the price tag but in government subsidized healthcare)...and without knowledge of such...customers blindly and ignorantly shop...

I appreciate your ideology and dreams of perfect world...but the reality is you will never get there on the course you are advocating...

And particularly troublesome is the blatant clinging to ideology in the face of contrary physical real world evidence...but hey hey hey...to each their own piper...

Good book you should read called "The Marketing of Evil" by David Kupelian
http://www.amazon.com/Marketing-Evil-Ps ... 34-7357643" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[LoveIsTruth]

Below is the information that demonstrates that it is not possible to operate the world wide modern economy by using all of the available gold and silver in existence today. The world wide modern economy is just too big to try to value it by all the available gold and silver.

False. Theoretically it is IRRELEVANT how much gold is in the world, as long as the amount of it is stable. If there were only one ton of it in the entire world, it could still support the entire economy: you would only have to cut it up into really small pieces. The only important thing is that it cannot be conjured out of nothing, and you can easily prove that you have it. That's all. In fact, it is good that there is not a lot of it. It makes it so much more valuable, which makes it convenient for large transactions. So that logic of yours is very flawed.

The system that actually runs the world operates upon trust and justice, with gold and silver coins being a relic of antiquated system of the past.

Really? The system that actually runs the world operates on BROKEN trust and massive FRAUD, with gold and silver being the only sound solution. You got it exactly in reverse!

It is time to move on with the system that has actually run the world for millenniums,

Exactly. That system is hard money, gold and silver system.

and by removing the parasitical control system of the Apostate, that fails,

Which is fiat unbacked, counterfeited fraud "money" of the central banks.

of gold coin money and faith in politicians.

Gold money do NOT require faith in politicians. That is their primary value!
Fiat unbacked money do require faith in politicians. That is their primary flaw.

[Darren]

I feel that you know too little about money to be able to think outside the box. Read the books, the History of Money, Parts 1 and 2.
http://s98822910.onlinehome.us/thousand ... part_1.pdf
http://s98822910.onlinehome.us/thousand ... part_2.pdf
All I am trying to do is to open the lid of that box.


(From the book, "The Story of Rights in America" pp. 84-87 by Bruce Wydner

The Sale

That which is named, “die Seele,” in German, that was “poured out ... unto death” at the site of ancient Salem, founded by Melchizedek and his father, included the Intelligence (the “Will”), the Spirit (“Ghost” in Germanic languages) and the Body of its Offerer.

When His “Seele” was made an offering for sin, when He had poured out His Soul unto death, He saw His seed. “Who are His seed?” Those who look to Him. Before His coming it was those who “looked forward” on “the Son of God.” After the Last Supper it is those who “always remember him.”

The “Sale” that was poured out unto death at Ancient Salem, Jerusalem or Jorsala, is the Soul that was Sold at the Temple of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe at Upper Sala. “How did the People of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe BUY, in all of their ‘By’s’ (the “Communes” into which He divided all of Northern Europe), that Soul that is Sold in the ‘Communion’ that thereafter was held every Sunday in the Meetinghouses of every one of those Communes?”

There is this modern “Tragedy,” in relation to this thought, in the sad situation about which we have spoken at the length that we have. That is the Tragedy that so many people feel that has hurt Mankind so much. It seems that many express that hurt saying things such as: “The heads of the entire Human Race have been incessantly clubbed by the baseball bat of Communism throughout virtually all of the Twentieth Century with the fact that no one has the slightest clue about the ‘-ISM,’ the true belief, that is behind the Communion that was always the central fact of life in all of the Communes into which the homeland of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe has been divided, since the beginnings of memory about them, from the Customs of which Communes, on how to behave with other people, have come the procedures for functioning of all Human Society in the Twentieth Century.”

It can be thought that: “Human beings really only have one thing that is truly ours to give, that has always been ours forever. We have only had our Bodies for a short while. They were given to us by our earthly parents at birth. Germanic languages call the ‘inner man’ within all humans (the ‘eye’ of which, the ‘mind’s eye,’ is that with which we see our dreams) the ‘ghost’ of a human being. These ‘ghosts’ were given to us by our Heavenly Parents in the life before this one on this Earth. However, our Intelligence, our Mind (our “Will,” in Germanic languages) is the essence of what we are and always have been, ‘from everlasting.’ It is THE ONLY THING that is truly yours and mine TO GIVE.” The Son of God tells all men that they may give Him that sole treasure that is theirs to give, if their Intelligence, their Mind, their Everlasting Will, will tell their Mind’s “Eye” to LOOK TO HIM. If they will do that then He is theirs, and He is everything — He owns all things — and they are His.

That was referred to in the Bible. The Lord said that: “On” the “commandments” that include, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God” “with all thy mind” “hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets.” As has been referred to, the True Administration of the Sacrament, that has been restored, tells that as we “always remember him” we are qualifying to “always have his Spirit to be with” us. As we keep these Covenants to “always remember” we are progressing, in The True Law that is restored to Latter-day Saints, to “love the Lord thy God” with “all thy mind.”

[People know that President David O. McKay was a very determined opponent of Communism. The people who produced the Technology Advancements that did away with Communism know that that Production was done in the environment that was initiated by President McKay. In relation to this we know that W. Cleon Skousen told how President McKay “prophesied” to him that “The Way will open up” for “our People” to learn, again, how to “Work Together By The Law.” The World names what LDS refer to as, “the Law,” with the technical name, “The Common Law of England.” And, that name refers to the “Law” of the Forefathers of Joseph Smith and of the other early Latter-day Saints, that was involved in the “Communion of the Lord’s Supper,” which they partook of in the “Communes” of their Forefathers. The sacred information concerning the administration of the Sacrament in the Restored Church has already been referred to, which explains how the essence of the True Law, in relation to the administration of the Sacrament, has been restored to serve all who join the True Church.]

The effective doing of this by the Forebears of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe throughout the first centuries of the Christian Era (and throughout its first millennium in Scandinavia and, somewhat, in Britain) established the Customs for human behavior that are the only fiber holding together the Fabric of all human life upon this Planet at the close of the Twentieth Century.

The Tidal Wave of Filth, of Willful Ignorance and of Evil that swept over Mankind in the Rebellion against the True Church of the Son of God, as He established it among the “multitude of nations” of the Patriarchal Race of Mankind, has begun to ebb and is now flowing back out to Sea. The Victimizers that are taking so many Victims with them back out in that Flow have no reason to rejoice. They are all going to die in the icy deep right along with all of their Victims that they take with them.

“How may you and I REMAIN, so that we don’t get carried away with the Wicked in that ebb of the Tidal Wave of Filth and Evil now flowing back out to Sea?”

In the 86th Section of the Doctrine and Covenants the Lord speaks through the Prophet Joseph Smith to His Latter-day Servants. He begins speaking of how the True Church was begun by His Apostles. Then He speaks of its fate:

Section 86:2. ... the apostles were the sowers of the seed.
3. And after they have fallen asleep the great persecutor of the church, the apostate, the whore, even Babylon, that maketh all nations to drink of her cup, in whose hearts the enemy, even Satan, sitteth to reign — behold he soweth the tares; wherefore, the tares choke the wheat and drive the church into the wilderness.
8. Therefore, thus saith the Lord unto you, with whom the priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers –
9. For ye are lawful heirs, according to the flesh, and have been hid from the world with Christ in God –
10. Therefore your life and the priesthood have remained and must needs remain through you and your lineage until the restoration of all things spoken of by the mouths of all the holy prophets since the world began.
11. Therefore, blessed are ye if ye continue in my goodness, a light unto the Gentiles, and through this priesthood, a savior unto my people Israel. The Lord hath said it. Amen.

Here the Prophet Joseph Smith and his fellow Servants of the Lord are told that their Anglo-Saxon flesh is that through which they are “lawful heirs according to the flesh” of “the priesthood” of the Original Church of the Apostles, which had been driven “into the wilderness.” They are told that they are those “with whom the priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers.”

They are told that their Anglo-Saxon flesh has “been hid from the world with Christ in God,” in Old England and then in New England.
They are told, “Therefore, blessed are ye if ye continue in my goodness.” The Lord’s Goodness is the heart of the Anglo-Saxon Customs clung to by those in the lineage of Joseph Smith’s and his fellow Leaders’ “fathers.”

All men are told that we will be blessed if we continue in the Lord’s Goodness as clung to through time by the ancestors of Joseph Smith and his associates. In answer to the complaint that the Persecutors of Christ’s people have sown such chaos where there used to be supposed understanding of what Christ’s Goodness is, people realize that the Lord has given His Church the Latter-day Books of Scripture which clearly show us how to continue in Christ’s Goodness.

However, knowledgeable persons may ask, “When the Enemies of White Christian Europe discovered that, because of our Invention of Guns, their massive attack with Genghis Khan’s 700,000-man Cavalry was worthless going westward, they used it, instead, to go eastward to murder 1/3 of the population of China, strip it of all of its gold and treasure and, then, through this domination of the World’s Gold Supply, attack us mentally through the Greek Orthodox Gold Coinage that we had adopted during the Crusades as the MONEY through which, thereafter, the White Christian Race would BUY and SELL in our Free Enterprise System. Our Enemies have completely taken the control of the Finances of our Free Enterprise System away from us through their absolute control of the World’s Money Supply, which control they got through their control over the World’s Gold Supply, which they got through their Murder of the Chinese. With this Control they can command a Worldwide Monetary Collapse whenever they want to, throwing virtually everybody in the world into complete confusion, disorder, chaos and destitution. From the beginning of our Church it seems that our Enemies have, through secular Governments, managed to manipulate things to thwart almost every attempt which we make to ‘continue’ in our ancestral principles of trying to ‘work together’ in Jesus’ ‘Goodness,’ in relation to the overall way that we do our work. This Enemy, through Government, seems to try to check every effort which the Church might attempt to allow us to continue functioning by our Ancestral Principles of Jesus’ Goodness in our workplaces. ‘How can we use these Principles; how can we continue clinging to them in our work, now that that Tidal Wave of Filth and evil, that brought this Enemy in over us, is now washing back out into the Icy Deep so much over which it has gained control?’”

The Financial World is controlled by the BOND Market that for centuries now has been the same thing as the ancient, independent republic of the Commonwealth of London in England. The way that that Bond Market works, in theory, is by continuing in Jesus’ Goodness as the Ancestors of Joseph Smith and his associates had so continued throughout the history of London. The workings of that Bond Market depend entirely upon a universal Custom of the Workmen of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe, which any Latter-day Saint is free to do whenever he or she wants to. If any of us choose to we need not be washed away with the Wicked in their Chaos. On the contrary, we may continue in Jesus’ Goodness maintaining and protecting us from the Chaos that is washing so much of the Evil away.

Anyone who goes through the Temple knows that our Father in Heaven asks us there to do certain things. The Entire Financial World, operating on the Customs of the White Christian Race of Northern Europe, is dependent upon ONE SINGLE CUSTOM OF THE WORKMEN OF THOSE PEOPLE. Trying to continue in the Goodness of their Forefathers’ Christian Customs, ALL OF THESE WORKMEN HAD THE CUSTOM of asking the Lord what it is, specifically, that the Lord wanted each of them to do. That is, an individual Craftsman asks the Lord (in the most sacred place available to him) specifically what it is that his Conscience is prompting him that the Lord wants him to do. Then, when he knows specifically what it is that his Conscience is telling him that the Lord wants him to do, he returns to that sacred place and promises the Lord that he will do it.

If an individual Latter-day Saint will do this, then, to the extent that it really is the Lord telling him to do that, to the extent that he does what the Lord told him to do, the Lord is “BOUND,” Doctrine and Covenants 82:10.

The London “BOND” Market is based 100% upon this One surviving Ancestral Custom of the Christian Anglo-Saxon People (which in earlier times had a much more general observance throughout Northwestern Europe).

There can be no “Law” prohibiting the LDS People from going into a business that operates in the same way as that quintessence of Anglo-Saxon Law — the London Bond Market — has always operated. Should any of them want to continue in this Ancestral Custom of the Anglo-Saxons, that is the operating basis of this Bond Market which today controls the Financial World, the unique force therein that creates all of the Value that there is in this Bond Market is the Ancestral Custom of these Craftsmen that they “confide” in one another what each promised the Lord that he would do.

"The Purpose of Money is War."
Think of all of the filth coming of the Apostate's Purpose upon mankind that you hold in your hands when you handle those gold and silver coins.

God Bless,
Darren

[LoveIsTruth]

Oh please lets not start that...there are so many toxins in products these days...

Precisely because such poisons are approved by FDA and other government agencies, which approval shields the guilty from responsibility.

and chicanery at all levels (like part of Walmart's product cost not showing up on the price tag but in government subsidized healthcare)...and without knowledge of such...customers blindly and ignorantly shop...

Right. As you said government is the primary cause of it.

I appreciate your ideology and dreams of perfect world...but the reality is you will never get there on the course you are advocating...

You are the one who is proposing a dream world. I am proposing that which is practical and supported by thousands of years of human experience and by the prophets of God.

And particularly troublesome is the blatant clinging to ideology in the face of contrary physical real world evidence...

Evidence like all the quotes by the prophets that I gave you? Evidence like the fact that gold and silver has been used as a stable money for thousands of years?

but hey hey hey...to each their own piper...

Indeed, which still makes you wrong.

Good book you should read called Gold, Peace, and Prosperity by Ron Paul.

[LoveIsTruth]

I feel that you know too little about money to be able to think outside the box. Read the books,

I feel that you know too little about money to be able to think outside the box. Read the books,

• The Case for a 100 Percent Gold Dollar by Murray N. Rothbard
  The Case for Gold by Ron Paul

All I am trying to do is to open the lid of that box.

Ditto.

Our Enemies have completely taken the control of the Finances of our Free Enterprise System away from us through their absolute control of the World’s Money Supply, which control they got through their control over the World’s Gold Supply, which they got through their Murder of the Chinese. With this Control they can command a Worldwide Monetary Collapse whenever they want to, throwing virtually everybody in the world into complete confusion, disorder, chaos and destitution.

They got this control by using unbacked fiat system, with the help of government. And if gold is cornered, you still have silver, or any other commodity you choose. This is why people must be free to transact in their own property as they please as long as they violate no one else's property. Justice demands this. And if government forced monopoly on money is removed, then the gold will eventually end up in the hands of the people too.

The Financial World is controlled by the BOND Market that for centuries now has been the same thing as the ancient, independent republic of the Commonwealth of London in England. The way that that Bond Market works, in theory, is by continuing in Jesus’ Goodness as the Ancestors of Joseph Smith and his associates had so continued throughout the history of London. ...
The London “BOND” Market is based 100% upon this One surviving Ancestral Custom of the Christian Anglo-Saxon People (which in earlier times had a much more general observance throughout Northwestern Europe).

Really?! The modern Bond Market operates on fiat unbacked currencies and is a den of thievery and fraud. You are severely confused!

"The Purpose of Money is War."

The purpose of fiat unbacked (paper) money is war. If we were still on gold standard, wars would have been largely IMPOSSIBLE, because governments could not conjure money out of nothing to support their wars.

Fiat money is the great enabler of WAR.

Think of all of the filth coming of the Apostate's Purpose upon mankind that you hold in your hands when you handle those

paper money.

gold and silver coins

as money make most wars impossible.

[Jason]

Oh please lets not start that...there are so many toxins in products these days...

Precisely because such poisons are approved by FDA and other government agencies, which approval shields the guilty from responsibility.

and chicanery at all levels (like part of Walmart's product cost not showing up on the price tag but in government subsidized healthcare)...and without knowledge of such...customers blindly and ignorantly shop...

Right. As you said government is the primary cause of it.

I appreciate your ideology and dreams of perfect world...but the reality is you will never get there on the course you are advocating...

You are the one who is proposing a dream world. I am proposing that which is practical and supported by thousands of years of human experience and by the prophets of God.

And particularly troublesome is the blatant clinging to ideology in the face of contrary physical real world evidence...

Evidence like all the quotes by the prophets that I gave you? Evidence like the fact that gold and silver has been used as a stable money for thousands of years?

but hey hey hey...to each their own piper...

Indeed, which still makes you wrong.

Good book you should read called Gold, Peace, and Prosperity by Ron Paul.

Whole lot of products that are not approved by the FDA or other government agencies (unregulated) that carry plenty of toxins...

I didn't say government was the primary cause....those are your words. Be honest.

No. You are ignoring factual evidence...and have since the very start of this thread. You ignore anything and everything that contradicts your paradigm - Lewis Lehrman, Peter Thiel, Ron Paul's changing or contradictory positions on 9/11, gold, government force, etc etc etc etc etc etc

I've read it...could write a whole book on all of the inaccuracies, false statements, Constitutional conflicts, and bogus projections in it.

The road to monetary destruction has been long and circuitous, but we are coming to the end of it. Sixty-seven years of central banking have brought us to the edge of depression and hyperinflation.

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... AtFAzwfdYQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

With two banker gangster's like Hazlitt and Rothbard writing the forwards...how could it go wrong...

Why not recommend the work that came out a few years later....

The Case for Gold
http://www.amazon.com/The-Case-Gold-Ron ... 1469971801" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and the derivative work....

Money and the coming World Order
http://www.thegoldstandardnow.org/image ... -Order.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[LoveIsTruth]

Whole lot of products that are not approved by the FDA or other government agencies (unregulated) that carry plenty of toxins...

Yes, but they are not protected by government law which allow those toxins in thousands of FDA approved products, including baby formulas!

I didn't say government was the primary cause....those are your words. Be honest.

Yes, but it is the truth, and you said it without realizing it. "product cost not showing up on the price tag but in government subsidized healthcare" You said it.

You are ignoring factual evidence...and have since the very start of this thread. You ignore anything and everything that contradicts your paradigm - Lewis Lehrman, Peter Thiel, Ron Paul's changing or contradictory positions on 9/11, gold, government force, etc etc etc etc etc etc

I did not ignore any evidence regarding the fact that hard, commodity money, including gold and silver, are the most stable and honest currencies known to man. And the four prophets of God, and thousands of years of human history agreed with me on that point. Who is ignoring evidence?

[Jason]

Whole lot of products that are not approved by the FDA or other government agencies (unregulated) that carry plenty of toxins...

Yes, but they are not protected by government law which allow those toxins in thousands of FDA approved products, including baby formulas!

I didn't say government was the primary cause....those are your words. Be honest.

Yes, but it is the truth, and you said it without realizing it. "product cost not showing up on the price tag but in government subsidized healthcare" You said it.

You are ignoring factual evidence...and have since the very start of this thread. You ignore anything and everything that contradicts your paradigm - Lewis Lehrman, Peter Thiel, Ron Paul's changing or contradictory positions on 9/11, gold, government force, etc etc etc etc etc etc

I did not ignore any evidence regarding the fact that hard, commodity money, including gold and silver, are the most stable and honest currencies known to man. And the four prophets of God, and thousands of years of human history agreed with me on that point. Who is ignoring evidence?

I'm not following your point.

Did I say it? Is the core problem Walmart paying off and corrupting government? Or is the problem the government? I believe the core problem is corrupt private parties gaining control of government through secret combinations...not government in and of itself.

Thanks for making the point!

[Jason]

Didn't like the rest?

The road to monetary destruction has been long and circuitous, but we are coming to the end of it. Sixty-seven years of central banking have brought us to the edge of depression and hyperinflation.

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system.

a depression is a sustained, long-term downturn in economic activity in one or more economies

has there ever been a depression with hyperinflation?

Isn't Ron Paul calling for that again?

Despite rising stock prices and a falling unemployment rate, the United States is on the brink of a catastrophic "financial crisis," according to former U.S. presidential candidate Ron Paul. And the culprit could be the dollar.

"There's a huge bubble with the dollar," Paul said on Tuesday's "Futures Now."

Paul declined to offer a catalyst or even a timeframe for when the dollar "bubble" could pop, but did warn that it does happen, it will be quick and unexpected. "Most of the time, these things are unforeseen," he said. "Did anybody warn us about 2007, 2008 in Lehman Brothers? Nobody warned us about that."

According to Paul, the collapse of the dollar, and by extension, the stock market will likely come when the Fed begins to raise interest rates, something many expect it will do later this year.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/14/ron-paul ... ubble.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Former Rep. Ron Paul is warning in television commercials of a calamitous U.S. financial crisis that could bring civil unrest and a stock market collapse—a crash “infinitely worse than the crisis of 2008.’’ He urges viewers to prepare by buying a “Survival Blueprint,” a book of advice from an investment research firm.

The commercial is being broadcast nationally at a time when his son, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky is trying to build a more mainstream presidential campaign than those of his father, a libertarian who was regarded by many in the Republican establishment as a fringe candidate in his three bids.

Ron Paul hasn’t been a visible part of his son’s 2016 campaign, which has rested on a delicate political balancing act: Rand Paul hopes to build on the grass-roots enthusiasm his father generated, but keep his distance from his father’s more controversial views, an effort to broaden his appeal.

Ron Paul has been appearing in radio spots, Web videos and television ads for Stansberry & Associates Investment Research, a Baltimore firm whose founder, Porter Stansberry, was once sued by the Securities and Exchange Commission for fraud arising from stock tips sold through his newsletter.

The ads urge viewers to buy a book by Mr. Stansberry, “America 2020: The Survival Blueprint,” to safeguard savings and wealth against the crisis it says will arise from a devaluation of the dollar driven by the Federal Reserve’s loose-money policies and the federal debt.

Neither Mr. Stansberry nor Ron Paul responded to requests for comment on the ads.

The SEC sued Mr. Stansberry for fraud concerning stock tips sold to newsletter subscribers. Mr. Stansberry fought the charges in court, with the support of some newspapers, saying it was a violation of First Amendment rights to free speech.

The Supreme Court last fall declined to hear the case after a lower court ruled against Mr. Stansberry.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ron-paul-ad ... 1432245027" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

..we have a foreign debt of over 6 trillion dollars, but China is the biggest holder, and they just recently passed Japan. Japan owns a lot of our debt too, but China has gotten into a little trouble and they’ve started selling their debt.

I want to put a chart up here to show what China’s been doing because I’ve expressed a lot of concern about when China starts selling, it could be contagious and others would start to sell and it could start a panic. They sold 200 billion, right now that’s peanuts, because the chart there shows that the peak there is 1.6 trillion and then a short while ago it just drifted for last year and then it was 1.4 and just recently they sold off 200 billion dollars.

Daniel McAdams: Why do you think China is selling so many?

I think it is financial, they have to support their currency and support their economy. Right now, it used to be that we thought of Saudi Arabia as the big holder of debt, but Saudi Arabia is in a bad financial trouble, all that wealth and they cannot pay their bills. China is not in that kind of trouble, they have a lot of money in the banks. We technically are in trouble, because we are the debtor, we owe this 6 trillion dollars to overseas and China has still 1.4 trillion dollars of our money sitting there and they can use it for quite a while and their interest will be not to cause a panic.

If they keep going down and there is this panic, it’s going to be hard to find the gold and the silver. As a matter of fact, we’ve heard evidence of that already, some coin dealers say that at the commodities market gold is 1150 and silver is 16 dollars and when you go buy some coins, you have trouble finding it. That is what will happen, because we are dealing with trillions of dollars and they just couldn’t do it. Of course people are holding the gold and it’s going to go up sharply. There will be then a shift in attitude because people will start buying things that they might use in the future, because they know that once they sense the price is going to go up, but they’ll want things more than anything else.

Real estate will be part of it, but people who are elderly, they can’t live off real estate, unless there’s some income from it and you don’t sell it easily. People might buy stuff that they can use and that of course will cause price inflation, instead of a targeted inflation in some costs.

As long as that’s our philosophy and put all the weight on the dollar and all the trust in the dollar and this illusion of trust in a system that makes no sense whatsoever, it will come to an end. I think what we read today just means that we are one step closer, even though some people may well be lulled to sleep by saying you guys worry too much, it didn’t have much of effect. That is something that I do, I don’t so much worry about it, but I tried to point it out because I’m so confident if we did the right thing, these problems could be solved.

The right thing is live in a free society, have sound money and limit the role of government and give up on welfare and socialism and warfare and the problems would be solved.

http://www.ronpaul.com/2015-10-19/ron-p ... nvestment/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...no mention that the reason China is selling US treasuries is to service US dollar denominated debt...just a bunch of inaccurate rambling and then a plug for a solution that really isn't a solution (leaves God out and obedience to the laws of God).

[LoveIsTruth]

I'm not following your point.

Did I say it? Is the core problem Walmart paying off and corrupting government? Or is the problem the government? I believe the core problem is corrupt private parties gaining control of government through secret combinations...not government in and of itself.

The government that presumes the "right" to tax private property is organized crime. And yes it is the core problem. And it is the government mandated that we pay to the insurance mafia for "government subsidized healthcare." The whole thing is legalized plunder scam, and it is all enabled by the government violence.

Thanks for making the point!

Thank YOU.

[Jason]

I'm not following your point.

Did I say it? Is the core problem Walmart paying off and corrupting government? Or is the problem the government? I believe the core problem is corrupt private parties gaining control of government through secret combinations...not government in and of itself.

The government that presumes the "right" to tax private property is organized crime. And yes it is the core problem. And it is the government mandated that we pay to the insurance mafia for "government subsidized healthcare." The whole thing is legalized plunder scam, and it is all enabled by the government violence.

Thanks for making the point!

Thank YOU.

No wonder you resonate so strongly with Ron Paul....practically the same MO...

[LoveIsTruth]

Didn't like the rest?

The road to monetary destruction has been long and circuitous, but we are coming to the end of it. Sixty-seven years of central banking have brought us to the edge of depression and hyperinflation.

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system.

a depression is a sustained, long-term downturn in economic activity in one or more economies

has there ever been a depression with hyperinflation?

Isn't Ron Paul calling for that again?

Yes he is. And though he was wrong about the timing in the past, what he is predicting is inevitable. And when it happens you will feel like a fool for making fun of him. Remember then, that I predicted it for you. All that Ron Paul predicted about economic collapse and hyperinflation will come to pass, and you will live to see it.

[LoveIsTruth]

No wonder you resonate so strongly with Ron Paul....

Yes I resonate with Ron Paul on this point of honest money and with four prophets of God as well, and I am proud of it. Too bad that you don't resonate with them too.

[Jason]

Didn't like the rest?

The road to monetary destruction has been long and circuitous, but we are coming to the end of it. Sixty-seven years of central banking have brought us to the edge of depression and hyperinflation.

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system.

a depression is a sustained, long-term downturn in economic activity in one or more economies

has there ever been a depression with hyperinflation?

Isn't Ron Paul calling for that again?

Yes he is. And though he was wrong about the timing in the past, what he is predicting is inevitable. And when it happens you will feel like a fool for making fun of him. Remember then, that I predicted it for you. All that Ron Paul predicted about economic collapse and hyperinflation will come to pass, and you will live to see it.

Oh I'll remember the predictions...too much fun not too!

What's price of silver going for today? ahh bouncing along under $14...

Right off hand I can give you 9 trillion reasons (just stick to foreign)...that Ron Paul is full of economic hogwash he's been peddling since the 70's...granted that he mixes in a little truth from time to time.

[LoveIsTruth]

Right off hand I can give you 9 trillion reasons (just stick to foreign)...that Ron Paul is full of economic hogwash he's been peddling since the 70's...granted that he mixes in a little truth from time to time.

He was only wrong about the timing of the collapse. But he was right on the economic trends that lead to the collapse. Dollar is losing its purchasing power as predicted, perhaps not as fast, but still 97%-98% of it is gone since the creation of the Fed. The debt is growing ever bigger as predicted. Inflation is taking place in energy, education, and healthcare. He also correctly predicted the housing bubble crash, and he is also right that final stages of currency collapse are very abrupt. So yes, you will see it, and you will eat all your insults to him because he will be right.

And by the way he did buy gold when Nixon took us completely off of gold standard in the 70's, because of his "economic hogwash" and he became a millionaire because of it, because as the dollar dropped, the gold went up, as he predicted. Who is the fool now?

Cheers.

[Jason]

Right off hand I can give you 9 trillion reasons (just stick to foreign)...that Ron Paul is full of economic hogwash he's been peddling since the 70's...granted that he mixes in a little truth from time to time.

He was only wrong about the timing of the collapse. But he was right on the economic trends that lead to the collapse. Dollar is losing its purchasing power as predicted, perhaps not as fast, but still 97%-98% of it is gone since the creation of the Fed. The debt is growing ever bigger as predicted. Inflation is taking place in energy, education, and healthcare. He also correctly predicted the housing bubble crash, and he is also right that final stages of currency collapse are very abrupt. So yes, you will see it, and you will eat all your insults to him because he will be right.

Cheers.

He's been right on some things...but for all the wrong reasons...and his predictions and their timing (within a broad spectrum) have been shared by many others....nothing super special. Millions of people saw the housing crash coming including myself as noted on a number of threads/posts on this forum.

Nah I won't...because Ron is on the wrong side. And by the time he's finally right (collapse)...he'll have been wrong for so long it just won't matter any more.

[LoveIsTruth]

He's been right on some things...but for all the wrong reasons...and his predictions and their timing (within a broad spectrum) have been shared by many others....nothing super special. Millions of people saw the housing crash coming including myself as noted on a number of threads/posts on this forum.

Nah I won't...because Ron is on the wrong side. And by the time he's finally right (collapse)...he'll have been wrong for so long it just won't matter any more.

He's been right on fundamental causes. And you will see hyper inflation as he predicted, instead of your deflation lunacy.

[Jason]

He's been right on some things...but for all the wrong reasons...and his predictions and their timing (within a broad spectrum) have been shared by many others....nothing super special. Millions of people saw the housing crash coming including myself as noted on a number of threads/posts on this forum.

Nah I won't...because Ron is on the wrong side. And by the time he's finally right (collapse)...he'll have been wrong for so long it just won't matter any more.

He's been right on fundamental causes. And you will see hyper inflation as he predicted, instead of your deflation lunacy.

LOL...seriously? What "fundamental causes" has he been right on?

Bloomberg agrees with him...

Death of Deflation Looms in 2016 for Those Watching Core Prices
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... al-bankers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fed uncertain
https://www.frbatlanta.org/research/inf ... ct/dp.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The $64 trillion question for 2016 is, will credit risk VETO the current Fed policy path? I say yes."

So the question is whether the Fed will put the world back in its equation if things really go off the rails abroad.

The rest of the world will be hungry for easy cash in 2016. The Fed may just have to give it to them.

http://www.businessinsider.com/emerging ... cy-2015-12" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...and Ron Paul is praying they are...

...deflation lunacy...hah...winning the day and just at the tip of the iceberg....and its a very very big debt iceberg...China's starting to feel it!

[written on April 15, 2011 regarding the price of silver] I think we will see the peak during the next month or two. Probably in the $20-$30 range 6 months out (Oct/Nov).....in the $10-20 range (Feb/Mar 2012).....and $5-10 at 12 months (May/June 2012).

In 6 month (Oct-Nov 2011) $50-$70 or so.

Feb-Mar 2012: $80-90 ($100 is possible).

April 2012: $120 or thereabouts.

Within 2 years at least $200, probably much higher within 3.

WASHINGTON - U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, this week introduced legislation designed to curb the ability of the president and the treasury secretary to manipulate worldwide gold prices.

http://www.rense.com/general20/ron.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On the 12th September 1919 at 11.00am the first Gold Fixing took place.

The original five founding members were: N M Rothschild & Sons; Mocatta & Goldsmid; Samuel Montagu & Co.; Pixley & Abell; and Sharps & Wilkins.

For over 80 years we have been fixing the price of gold providing market users with the opportunity to buy and sell gold at a single quoted price. It also provides a published benchmark price that is widely used as a pricing medium by producers, consumers, investors and central banks.

The fix is carried out twice a day by the 5 members via a dedicated conference call facility.

http://www.goldfixing.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Gold Fixings
http://www.lbma.org.uk/pages/index.cfm? ... ld_fixings" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The first Silver Fixing took place in 1897 at the office of Sharps & Wilkins.

For over 110 years we have been fixing the price of silver providing market users with the opportunity to buy and sell silver at a single quoted price. It also provides a published benchmark price that is widely used as a pricing medium by producers, consumers and investors.

The fix is carried out once a day at 12 noon by the 3 members via telephone conference.

http://www.silverfixing.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Silver Fixings
http://www.lbma.org.uk/pages/index.cfm? ... er_fixings" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The London bullion market is a wholesale over-the-counter market for the trading of gold and silver. Trading is conducted amongst members of the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA), loosely overseen by the Bank of England. Most of the members are major international banks or bullion dealers and refiners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_bullion_market" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The control over Federal Reserve System decisions is also founded in another unique situation. Each day, representatives of four other London banking firms meet in the offices of N.M. Rothschild Company in London to fix the price of gold for that day. The other four bankers are from Samuel Montagu Company, which ranks Number 5 on the list of seventeen London merchant banking firms, Sharps Pixley, Johnson Matheson, and Mocatta and Goldsmid.

Despite the huge tide of paper pyramided currency and notes which are now flooding the world, at some point, every credit extension must return to be based, in however minuscule a fashion, on some deposit of gold in some bank somewhere in the world. Because of this factor, the London merchant bankers, with their power to set the price of gold each day, become the final arbiters of the volume of money and the price of money in those countries which must bow to their power. Not the least of these is the United States. No official of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, or of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, can command the power over the money of the world which is held by these London merchant bankers. Great Britain, while waning in political and military power, today exercises the greatest financial power. It is for this reason that London is the present financial center of the world.

From November, 1910, when the conspirators met on Jekyll Island, Georgia, to the present time, the machinations of the Federal Reserve bankers have been shrouded in secrecy. Today, that secrecy has cost the American people a three trillion dollar debt, with annual interest payments to these bankers amounting to some three hundred billion dollars per year, sums which stagger the imagination, and which in themselves are ultimately unpayable. Officials of the Federal Reserve System routinely issue remonstrances to the public, much as the Hindu fakir pipes an insistent tune to the dazed cobra which sways its head before him, not to resolve the situation, but to prevent it from striking him. Such was the soothing letter written by Donald J. Winn, Assistant to the Board of Governors in response to an inquiry by a Congressman, the Honorable Norman D. Shumway, on March 10, 1983. Mr. Winn states that "The Federal Reserve System was established by an act of

Congress in 1913 and is not a ‘private corporation’." On the next page, Mr. Winn continues, "The stock of the Federal Reserve Banks is held entirely by commercial banks that are members of the Federal Reserve System." He offers no explanation as to why the government has never owned a single share of stock in any Federal Reserve Bank, or why the Federal Reserve System is not a "private corporation" when all of its stock is owned by "private corporations"."

The Jekyll Island Club was chosen as the place to draft the plan for control of the money and credit of the people of the United States, not only because of its isolation, but also because it was the private preserve of the people who were drafting the plan. The New York Times later noted, on May 3, 1931, in commenting on the death of George F. Baker, one of J.P. Morgan’s closest associates, that "Jekyll Island Club has lost one of its most distinguished members. One-sixth of the total wealth of the world was represented by the members of the Jekyll Island Club." Membership was by inheritance only.

Why all this secrecy? Why this thousand mile trip in a closed railway car to a remote hunting club? Ostensibly, it was to carry out a program of public service, to prepare banking reform which would be a boon to the people of the United States, which had been ordered by the National Monetary Commission. The participants were no strangers to public benefactions. Usually, their names were inscribed on brass plaques, or on the exteriors of buildings which they had donated. This was not the procedure which they followed at Jekyll Island. No brass plaque was ever erected to mark the selfless actions of those who met at their private hunt club in 1910 to improve the lot of every citizen of the United States.

In fact, no benefaction took place at Jekyll Island. The Aldrich group journeyed there in private to write the banking and currency legislation which the National Monetary Commission had been ordered to prepare in public. At stake was the future control of the money and credit of the United States. If any genuine monetary reform had been prepared and presented to Congress, it would have ended the power of the elitist one world money creators. Jekyll Island ensured that a central bank would be established in the United States which would give these bankers everything they had always wanted.

Both parties included a monetary reform bill in their platforms: The Republicans were committed to the Aldrich Plan, which had been denounced as a Wall Street plan, and the Democrats had the Federal Reserve Act. Neither party bothered to inform the public that the bills were almost identical except for the names.

To further confuse the American people and blind them to the real purpose of the proposed Federal Reserve Act, the architects of the Aldrich Plan, powerful Nelson Aldrich, although no longer a senator, and Frank Vanderlip, president of the National City Bank, set up a hue and cry against the bill. They gave interviews whenever they could find an audience denouncing the proposed Federal Reserve Act as inimical to banking and to good government.

The bugaboo of inflation was raised because of the Act’s provisions for printing Federal Reserve notes. The Nation, on October 23, 1913, pointed out, "Mr. Aldrich himself raised a hue and cry over the issue of government "fiat money", that is, money issued without gold or bullion back of it, although a bill to do precisely that had been passed in 1908 with his own name as author, and he knew besides, that the ‘government’ had nothing to do with it, that the Federal Reserve Board would have full charge of the issuing of such moneys."

Senator Root raised the problem of inflation, claiming that under the Federal Reserve Act, note circulation would always expand indefinitely, causing great inflation. However, the later history of the Federal Reserve System showed that it not only caused inflation, but that the issue of notes could also be restricted, causing deflation, as occurred from 1929 to 1939.

It is interesting to note how many assassinations of Presidents of the United States follow their concern with the issuing of public currency; Lincoln with his Greenback, non-interest-bearing notes, and Garfield, making a pronouncement on currency problems just before he was assassinated.

We now begin to understand why such a lengthy campaign of planned deception was necessary, from the secret conference at Jekyll Island to the identical "reform" plans proposed by the Democratic and Republican parties under different names. The bankers could not wrest control of the issuance of money from the citizens of the United States, to whom it had been designated through its Congress by the Constitution, until the Congress granted them their monopoly for a central bank.

Therefore, much of the influence exerted to get the Federal Reserve Act passed was done behind the scenes, principally by two shadowy, non-elected persons: The German immigrant, Paul Warburg, and Colonel Edward Mandell House of Texas.

Congressman Lindbergh said on that historic day, to the House:
"This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government by the Monetary Power will be legalized. The people may not know it immediately, but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed. The trusts will soon realize
that they have gone too far even for their own good. The people must make a declaration of independence to relieve themselves from the Monetary Power. This they will be able to do by taking control of Congress. Wall Streeters could not cheat us if you Senators and Representatives did not make a humbug of Congress. . . . If we had a people’s Congress, there would be stability. The greatest crime of Congress is its currency system. The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking bill. The caucus and the party bosses have again operated and prevented the people from getting the benefit of their own government."

The "unprecedented speed" with which the Federal Reserve Act had been passed by Congress during what became known as "the Christmas massacre" had one unforeseen aspect. Woodrow Wilson was taken unaware, as he, like many others, had been assured the bill would not come up for a vote until after Christmas. Now he refused to sign it, because he objected to the provisions for the selection of Class B. Directors. William L. White relates in his biography of Bernard Baruch that Baruch, a principal contributor to Wilson’s campaign fund, was stunned when he was informed that Wilson refused to sign the bill. He hurried to the White House and assured Wilson that this was a minor matter, which could be fixed up later through "administrative processes". The important thing was to get the Federal Reserve Act signed into law at once. With this reassurance, Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small
group of international bankers.

http://iamthewitness.com/books/Eustace% ... eserve.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Investors are asking if deflation in 2015 is a real concern.

The answer is, at this point, a convincing yes. A confluence of market factors point to this harsh economic reality.

But Americans aren't as familiar with deflation as they are with inflation. Few were even alive the last time America experienced deflation.

"There has been no episode of persistent deflation in the United States since the period from 1927 to 1933," notes author and CIA economist James G. Rickards in his book, The Death of Money.

But deflation is typically worse than inflation.

In a deflationary period, prices will drop, corporate profits will dry up, wages will shrink, and all of this will reinforce the conditions of recessions. This happens for two reasons.

The first is that deflation keeps money on the sidelines as consumers wait for prices to fall further. This causes demand to shrink.

Deflation also adds to the real value of debt. This makes consumers and businesses less likely to take out loans and make big purchases to grow the U.S.'s consumption-driven economy.

http://moneymorning.com/2015/01/21/defl ... s-say-yes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[LoveIsTruth]

LOL...seriously? What "fundamental causes" has he been right on?

The fundamental cause is that the government and the banksters have their hands on a counterfeiting machine, creating trillions of "dollars" out of thin air, to buy entire industries, driving prices of everything ever higher, causing the world to eventually reject the dollar, which will cause US dollar collapse, as Ron Paul and many others predicted. Then all those counterfeited trillions will come home from China and from all over the world, then you will see the hyperinflation we talked about, that you laughed at. Then you will know that you were the fool in this point.

[Jason]

LOL...seriously? What "fundamental causes" has he been right on?

The fundamental cause is that the government and the banksters have their hands on a counterfeiting machine, creating trillions of "dollars" out of thin air, to buy entire industries, driving prices of everything ever higher, causing the world to eventually reject the dollar, which will cause US dollar collapse, as Ron Paul and many others predicted. Then all those counterfeited trillions will come home from China and from all over the world, then you will see the hyperinflation we talked about, that you laughed at. Then you will know that you were the fool in this point.

Agree to disagree. Banksters (private individuals) - yes. Government - no. Also technically now the money creation machine is available to anyone willing to borrow...pretty much a global phenomenon at this point in time.

Potentially the world could quit borrowing US dollars and cease to use them...but they would need to satisfy their US dollar denominated debts first...or destroy the US and the banks (individuals) behind the US dollar. Until then there won't be a collapse.

Ron Paul's reasons for the collapse don't make any sense...which is why it hasn't happened in the past nearly 40 years he's been predicting it.

China needs more US dollars than what they have in US Treasuries...at least 3 fold...

[LoveIsTruth]

Agree to disagree.

Still makes you wrong though.

Banksters (private individuals) - yes. Government - no.

There is no real difference at this point. Governments are almost entirely subverted at this point. And it is the government that granted banksters monopoly to counterfeit.

Also technically now the money creation machine is available to anyone willing to borrow...pretty much a global phenomenon at this point in time.

You are confusing debt creation and money creation. They are not the same. If you borrow money you have to pay it back. Whereas when Fed creates money out of nothing, it does not have to pay it back. Hence they are the ultimate counterfeiter, and have the "legal" monopoly on it.

Potentially the world could quit borrowing US dollars and cease to use them...but they would need to satisfy their US dollar denominated debts first...or destroy the US and the banks (individuals) behind the US dollar. Until then there won't be a collapse.

Well US owes China trillions of dollars, and US is "paying" this debt by printing the dollars. Then China is going to spend it in the US. This is when you will see hyperinflation.

Ron Paul's reasons for the collapse don't make any sense...

The reason for collapse is because the world will reject the dollar, and will start dumping trillions of it in the US. That makes sense.

which is why it hasn't happened in the past nearly 40 years he's been predicting it.

I agree, it takes a concerted decision by the rest of the world to initiate such collapse, but it is not a question of if, but when.

China needs more US dollars than what they have in US Treasuries...at least 3 fold...

China is the biggest economy in the world. They ultimately do not need US dollar, and they will reject it eventually. I'll give it no more than 10 years or so.

[Jason]

You've been listening too much to Ron Paul and the bankster cheerleaders....but not close enough to what they are actually saying...nor do you appear to even understand what they are rattling on about...which makes it extremely difficult to have a rational discussion.

one brief easy example - how much debt is owed to China and what does that consist of?

I'll be nice and give you a hint....Ron Paul rattles on about it in some commentary from last October I linked to in a previous post (several posts up)...albeit he didn't put the information out there in the most transparent manner...which means you'll have to take his commentary and do your own research to arrive at the answer.

[LoveIsTruth]

Frankly, I don't care. I care about the principle: People must be free to transact in their own property, including gold and silver, without harassment by government. Justice demands it. This is the nail through your arguments.

Peace.