Dr. Ron Paul: Why Governments Hate Gold

[Darren]

Eventually gold goes away as a proxy for human value, and the real value to humanity springing from our ancestral Communes takes us into the Millennium.

("The Big Narrative" by Bruce Wydner p.77)

President McKay prophesied that the LDS People will be able to ... gain the reputation that it tries to behave IN THIS MOST RESPONSIBLE “LDS” WAY, that it can, as it does these things that President McKay prophesied that it would, it will be developing into THE FIRST WORLDWIDE, INTERNATIONAL STOCK MARKET IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

As such, as so much of All of the Population of the Whole World, begins Buying and Selling the WEALTH of the Corporations of the World, the need for the People of the Human Family of the World, of Mankind, to continue doing anything with the Fiat Money Bills of the Exilarch’s Central Bank for Operations of the Military Dictator of their Country, will be diminishing.

As that happens, and it is seen that “so many of a person’s Financial Transactions can be done ELECTRONICALLY,” THROUGH THIS, WHICH SEEMS TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD AS THE WORLD’S FIRST WORLDWIDE, INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL NEGOTIATIONS FACILITY THE NEED FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THE EXILARCH’S CENTRAL BANKS, THAT WERE STARTED FOR EUROPEANS BY THEIR OPERATING ON “THE BUTCHERED CHINAMEN’S GOLD,” WILL BEGIN DIMINISHING IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY MIGHT SOON SEEM THAT THEY ARE: “like the chaff on the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth,” Daniel 2:35

The only value in the Millennium is the value of people seeking with all their soul, the purpose of the Lord, bringing all thoughts in line with that purpose, and putting all material things in line with that purpose. Having a gold coin in some private possession will serve no purpose in such an environment and society.

God Bless,
Darren

[LoveIsTruth]

The only value in the Millennium is the value of people seeking with all their soul, the purpose of the Lord, bringing all thoughts in line with that purpose, and putting all material things in line with that purpose. Having a gold coin in some private possession will serve no purpose in such an environment and society.

Yes, and having locks on your door serves no purpose in heaven.

Of course you are a fool, and unwise if you do not use locks in Chicago. Unwise and foolish servant indeed.

Thus your position is the definition of stupidity.

Cheers.

[Ezra]

I have no locks on anything. I don't place any value on things of the earth. If someone is so desperate as to try to steal what I have they are welcome to it. If I caught them in the act I would ask if they needed more.

I guess that makes me stupid???

[LoveIsTruth]

I have no locks on anything. I don't place any value on things of the earth. If someone is so desperate as to try to steal what I have they are welcome to it. If I caught them in the act I would ask if they needed more.

I guess that makes me stupid???

Do you live in Chicago?

Besides, the Church has locks on all of its buildings, and it would be unwise and stupid not to, because recklessness and carelessness is not something the Lord approves of.

Cheers.

[Darren]

Do you live in Chicago?

Besides, the Church has locks on all of its buildings, and it would be unwise and stupid not to, because recklessness and carelessness is not something the Lord approves of.

Cheers.

I don't want to live in Chicago, I want to live in Zion.

In Zion life will be much different than in Chicago, and we will not need gold and silver coins, or locks on our doors, and the culture of modern day Chicago will be barred from entering.

There is a plan to keep the false paradigm outside the true paradigm:

Bruce Wydner wrote:

“How Is It That We Are Going To Take Over ...?”

... In All Of The Countries Of The World That Want These (our) Services

1. Research the possibility for making available the Services ... in each one of the Countries of the World.

2. Incorporate the Corporation of ... in every Country of the World where its Services may be made available.

3. Establish the Value of the Shares of the Corporation, in the Currency of a Country where the Services of ... have been made available.

4. Make the Arrangement to pay each Employee of ..., in a Country, in the Shares of the ... Corporation, within that Country.

5. Make the Arrangement for each Employee of the ..., within a specific Country, to exchange, with the Corporation, the Shares of the Corporation for that Country, that that Employee has been paid with, for the amount of the Currency of that Country, that, at the time of that Exchange, is the Value of the Corporate Shares of the Utility, (of the Utility’s Corporation that has been incorporated within that Country).

6. Then, at any time during One Calendar Year from the Date of that Exchange, by that Employee, of that Employee’s Corporate Shares, of the Corporation within that Country, for the Value of those Shares in the Currency of that Country, as of that Date, that Employee may exchange that Amount of that Country’s Currency for the same amount of that Employee’s Shares, that had been exchanged, AND THAT EMPLOYEE CAN RECEIVE BACK THE SAME AMOUNT OF THAT EMPLOYEE’S CORPORATE SHARES, THAT HAD BEEN EXCHANGED, EVEN THOUGH THE VALUE OF THOSE CORPORATE SHARES, HAS RISEN TO BE A MULTIPLE OF THE CURRENCY VALUE FOR WHICH THEY HAD BEEN EXCHANGED DURING THAT PREVIOUS YEAR.

Zion is protected by a barricade that keeps Chicago out but allows us to influence Chicago.

Hope Sanctuary’s Purpose
by Bruce Wydner

October 11, 2006

As we have discussed during these Recent Decades, the greatest repository in the World of all of the Records of the Nordic Race has been put together here in the Intermountain West. We have learned many things from these Ancient Records.

We have learned of how many of the Lands of the Peoples of the Nordic Race (living to the “north” of the Alps, in Europe) have been divided into what, in Britain, are called, “Shires.” All of the Shires of Northern Europe were always governed from a Building that was called a, “Hope,” in Germanic Languages. The single one of these that still exists, in the remarkable role that it has as the source of the best information on how the Ancient Free Enterprise System of the Nordic Race operates, which has put it at the center of the operations of the Financial Capital of the World, has had an, originally, Latin name given to it, which is the origin of the modern English word, “Temple.”

This ancient Temple of London, which is the only such Ancient Germanic “Hope” that is still in existence (still in operation, theoretically through the adjoining "Inns of Temple") in Europe, has been the location from which the ancient (unwritten) “constitution” of the English-speaking People, “the Common Law of England,” has always been studied by those who wish to practice Law as “Barristers.” They have studied at the four ancient Inns of Temple, there in London, and have taken the name of their “Craft Guild” from “the Temple Bar,” the “Barricade” by the Temple, that prohibited people who were not committed to obeying the Common Law from entering London (keeping the Chicago Mafia out), its Temple, and the Wards of London where the other Ancient “Crafts” were practiced in London by the Guild Craftsmen of those Wards, who got their rights to so practice by the Oaths which they took in the Temple.

The, historically, Second Most Prominent of these London Guilds was the one that operated England’s “Fishing Navy.” Anxious to make the best use of the excellent Fishing Area that had been discovered off of the Coast of North America, the Grand Banks Fishery, this Craft Guild established “New England” along that Shoreline. These New Englanders said that their “Only End” in living on the Land of North America’s Natives was so: “as their Good Life and Orderly Conversation may win and invite the Natives of the Country to the knowledge and obedience of the Only True God and Savior of Mankind and the Christian Faith, which in … the Adventurers’ free profession is the ONLY and Principal END of this Plantation.” That is, after the very practical goal of fishing in the Ocean off of New England, its first Settlers said that their ONLY End, in living on those Natives’ Land, was so “as their Good Life and Orderly Conversation,” which they had brought with them, of the way that their Forefathers had obeyed the Common Law in England, in its environment of “the Christian Faith” of their Ancestral Temple, would “win and invite the Natives” to be able to enjoy with them “the Highest Standard of Living in the World,” that comes from the way that their Ancestral Common Law operates the Free Enterprise System, in that environment of “the Christian Faith” of their Ancestral “Temple,” there in London.

When “the Minutemen” of the Yeomanries of the Townships of New England organized themselves into the Continental Army that drove the British Army and Navy away from New England, the principal issue of the Revolution was won in favor of the Americans. However, the large majority of Southern Slavery Interests were at war on the side of Britain, against the US North, during the Revolution. After the New Englanders had introduced their New England Invention of a “Written Constitution,” of the English Common Law of their London Forefathers, for the benefit of the new USA, the defeated Southern Slavery Interests challenged them as to what Jesus Christ had to do, historically, with the origin and practice by their London Forefathers of their Common Law.

When it seemed as though no New England Leaders knew the answer to that Challenge, their traditions of Social Leadership collapsed, in the new USA, to be taken over by the Leaders of the Southern Slavery Interests, down to the time of the Civil War.

In the relatively newly settled lands, that had been considered to be a “Western New England,” such as Upstate New York was, the confusion caused by these events had young Joseph Smith praying to his Heavenly Father to know what to do.

After the Lord told him what was to be done and the True Gospel and the True Church were restored, the Lord told Joseph how he and the other Members of the Church were to “continue” in the way that their “fathers” had operated.

This instruction can be thought of as the Lord’s rebuke to the evil Southern Slavers and the Answer — directly from the Lord, Himself, as to His relationship to the “Fathers” of those First Members of the Restored Church— to their evil Challenge that destroyed the relationship of “the Christian Faith” to the previous type of Social Leadership and Social Organization that there had been in New England:

Doctrine and Covenants 86:8-11
8. Therefore, thus saith the Lord unto you, with whom the priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers—
9. For ye are lawful heirs, according to the flesh, and have been hid from the world with Christ in God—
10. Therefore your life and the priesthood have remained, and must needs remain through you and your lineage until the restoration of all things spoken by the mouths of all the holy prophets since the world began.
11. Therefore, blessed are ye if ye continue in my goodness, a light unto the Gentiles, and through this priesthood a savior unto my people Israel.

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When Bruce Wydner, in his youth, received his Patriarchal Blessing he was told that if he (continued in the Lord’s Goodness) he would be able to develop something that would be a great benefit to all of Mankind.

When he was in college he came to feel that this development would be to write the true History of the North European People, instead of the Propaganda of the “Lures and Tricks” that are commonly available. He learned how to professionally translate Eleven of the Main Languages of Europe in his effort to do this Research.

When one Company, for which he worked, that did Translations for the Pentagon, found out how he was able to learn how to professionally translate a new Language in just a few hours they suggested that he write a Textbook to show others how to do that.

Bruce went to, then, Elder Gordon B. Hinckley, who was at that time over the Church Missionary Committee, to talk about writing that Textbook to help Missionaries to learn their new Language. President Hinckley urged him to, “Do it!” When it was written President Hinckley’s assistant introduced Bruce and his Textbook into the Language Training environment at BYU at that time. He quickly learned of the BYU Project to produce that “Main Invention” (that the US Government had to give up on trying to produce) that would allow to be developed the Worldwide Interlingual Telecommunications Utility, that President McKay had prophesied would be that which would “make possible the preaching of the gospel to every kindred, tongue and people.” That Main Invention was to be the Invention of Computer Software that would automatically and instantaneously do enough of a Professional Translator’s work that it would be “Cost-effective” for that Translator to buy that equipment.

While at that BYU environment Bruce met Cleon Skousen. When Brother Skousen learned some of the details of Bruce’s Research, in many of the Languages of Europe, that explained to people How to be Able to Continue in the Lord’s Goodness, in Working Together By The Law, instead of being made into Slaves “falling for the same old Lures and Tricks that all of the rest of the World is,” Cleon said to Bruce, “You know, I think that this is it!” (what President McKay had prophesied to him). At the personal urging of President Wilkinson and Brother Nibley, at BYU, Bruce had begun writing his “1,000-page Course,” to assist people with information to help them to “continue in the Lord’s Goodness” to “Work Together By The Law.” After Brother Skousen had told him that he felt that the Result of Bruce’s Research, in those many European Languages, was what President McKay had prophesied to him would be found by him, there in Provo, Bruce spent the effort to complete the writing of that Course.

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“So?” The “hope,” ... to the World by Latter-day Saints who were “continuing in the Lord’s Goodness” to “Work Together By The Law,” in the way that would let everyone else in the World also be able to learn how to begin to “continue in the Lord’s Goodness.” To do this right, this time, with these “Outside Interests” that there are, we need the cooperation of those who have shown their “hope” for us to be able to proceed ahead according to President McKay’s hope for us.

Chicago with her locked doors, locks on LDS temple lockers, and gold coins will not be part of the Zion set up after The Cleansing,.

God Bless,
Darren

[Darren]

“WHAT SIDE ARE YOU AND I ON,
AS THE DESTRUCTION THAT IS AT THE CENTER OF THE NEWS, AT THIS TIME, IS COMPLETED,
IN THE WAY THAT WAS REVEALED TO JOHN THE REVELATOR, IN THE REVELATION, CHAPTERS 17-18,
THAT THE WORLD’S MAIN EVIL IS DESTROYED?”
By Bruce Wydner

“What is it that is at the Center of the News, at this time?” It seems that “The World’s Money System” is meeting its destruction. “How is that happening?”

For many years now it has been reported that the People of the USA are doing what is a constantly increasing percentage above 90% of all of their Financial Transactions ELECTRONICALLY, over the Internet, using their Debit and Credit Cards etc., with an ever decreasing percentage, below 10% of their purchases, using traditional Bills and Notes, with such a tiny percentage below that, of their Financial Transactions, done through the use of Metallic Coins, the Invention of which, in the Ancient Land of Babylon, is that to which the World had assigned the word of the Ancient Romans for Coins, which is the origin of the English word, “Money.”

As that continues, that is in the direction of an end for the People of the World continuing to use the “Fiat Money” Bills and Notes of Central Banks.

As Utah Governor Michael Leavitt, in his 2002 State of the State Address, mentioned that, the Internet was invented in Utah. It was developed mainly at the Eyring Research Institute, ERI, in Provo, but, along with that, was also developed, somewhat, at Hill Air Force Base, in Northern Utah, in the Top Military Secret developments that allowed the US Military to achieve its Reagan Star Wars Victory, that ended the threats of the Soviet Union’s “Mutually Assured Destruction Cold War,” of Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, with Hydrogen Bomb Warheads.

Apparently intent on retaining a place for themselves in “the Activities” of Mankind, in the mid-1990’s agents of those World Financial Powers secretly came into Utah and stole from the People of Utah their Revolutionary Software Inventions of Networking Software, Word Processing Software and Cost-effective Computerized Language Translation Software, to take them to be controlled by those Financial Powers, outside of the USA. When they took that out of the USA, that, then, along with the Developments that remained in the USA, made it so that Bill Gates, in a Book that he wrote in 1996, mentioned how that, “Then, the Internet really took off.” Then, Time Magazine, in its final edition for 1997, mentioned how it was that: “THAT YEAR, THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD BOUGHT AND SOLD $15 TRILLION WORTH OF STOCK, ON THE INTERNET, EVERY DAY!” [That was a beginning of an activity where, with a World Population of, about, 6 Billion persons, at that time, that $15 Trillion per day, was the beginning of an expenditure of, about, $2,500.00, every day, for every man, woman and child in the World.]

“WHAT IS THIS SITUATION?” With the People of the World now copying the People of the USA, in conveniently doing nearly all of their Financial Transactions ELECTRONICALLY, over the USA’s Invention of the Internet, and doing, constantly less and less using the “Fiat Money” Bills and Notes of a Central Bank in their part of the World, it seems that there will be, constantly less and less utilization of that Invention of Ancient Babylon, to which the Ancient Roman word, “Money,” has been applied.

And, with the World’s Population constantly buying and selling more and more of the REAL VALUES OF THE WORLD, TODAY, WHICH IS THE STOCK OWNERSHIP OF THE SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS CORPORATIONS OF THE WORLD’S FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT ENTIRE IDEA, THAT ORIGINATED IN ANCIENT BABYLON, BUT WHICH TRANSITIONED, IN OUR TIME, TO UTILIZING “FIAT MONEY,” BEING MADE AVAILABLE BY FIAT MONEY CENTRAL BANKS, THAT IS BEING USED LESS AND LESS, AT THIS TIME, THAT IDEA IS ENCOUNTERING THE SITUATION OF IT’S “BEING PUT OUT OF EXISTENCE.”

“IS THIS SITUATION OF THE ‘FIAT MONEY’ (the contemporary utilization of the Invention of Ancient Babylon, for which the Ancient Romans devised the name, “money”), OF MODERN CENTRAL BANKS, ‘GOING OUT OF EXISTENCE,’ THAT WHICH IS EXPLAINED IN ‘THE REVELATION 18:19 … for in one hour is she made desolate.’?” Let us examine what is happening. Let us review the historically relevant things that are involved in this “Situation.”

LDS People are very aware of the Prophecy of the Prophet Daniel, recorded in Daniel, Chapter 2, where the Prophet Daniel explains to the King of Babylon, “what shall be in the latter days.”

When Heavenly Father began the Confusion of Tongues of Mankind, before the year 2,000 BC, which was against those who built the Tower of Babel, the populations of the Orient to the east of the Valley through which World Trade traveled, the Mesopotamian Valley, (in which Babel was located), were not able to effectively “speak” to the populations of Europe and Africa, to the west of that Valley, anymore. Those remaining in Babel devised the idea of letting that Trade continue by being based on what those transporting those Goods through that Valley could “see,” which were weights of Precious Metals, as that is mentioned in Genesis 23, where Abraham makes a purchase with Shekels of Silver.

The Ancient Greek way of saying Babel was, “Babylon.” In the days of the Empire of Babylon, at that time in History when Daniel made his prophesies there, the Emperor, there, began the utilization of Gold Coins, from a nearby Mine that was the source of very much Gold. Those Gold Coins, were, then, the way that the Empire of Babylon and the Empires that Daniel prophesied would be its successors, the Empires of Persia, Greece, Rome, and then the many Monarchies of Ancient, Medieval and Modern Europe, operated. And, though no resource of Gold has ever been found on the Continent of Europe, (below Scandinavia), that was what those Empires and Kingdoms that were the successors to the Empire of Babylon, operated with, to continue the International Trade that operated upon the exchange of Gold Coins, for which the Ancient Roman Empire invented its name for those Gold Coins, of, “Money.”

However, it is exactly that “succession” of those successor Empires and Kingdoms, to the Ancient Empire of Babylon, (that had invented the concept of conducting World Trade based on Gold Coins), which successor kingdoms Daniel prophesied were to be the parts of a “great image,” of a “form” that “was terrible,” and it was to be in relation to the many kingdoms that were to originate from the fourth one, after that King’s kingdom of Babylon, (which fourth kingdom was the Roman Empire), that Daniel prophesied the following:
Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of
heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the
kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and
consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

If it is asked, in relation to that Prophecy of Daniel: “Is there an explanation in the Scriptures of how it will be that, ‘in the latter days,’ ‘shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed … but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever’?” There is information in relation to that which is given in Isaiah 29:14.
29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work
among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: for the wisdom
of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent
men shall be hid.

As this “marvelous work” is referred to, many times, in the Doctrine and Covenants, and as General Authorities have explained to us that the “marvelous work and a wonder” is the beloved Book of Mormon of our People, an answer to the question that was asked above can be introduced by referring, again, to the 2002 State of the State Address, that was given by former Utah Governor Leavitt.

In the early part of that Address he talks about “world-changing ideas.” He says:
“Innovation is Utah’s signature. The television and artificial heart,
limb, and kidney are all ideas conceived by Utah minds. …remember that
the computer graphics industry was born here. When you use word-
processing software or log on to a computer network, when you use
the Internet, that’s right Utah technologies.”

So much of the modern World Word-processing Software Industry originated from the development, at the Eyring Research Institute, ERI, of WordPerfect. So much of the modern World Networking Software Industry originated from the development at ERI of Novell. However, both of those were “spin-offs,” at ERI, from the Demonstration to the World of the World’s first “Cost-effective Computerized Language Translation Software, CCLTS.” That was the Utah Invention that the US Defense Department’s Advanced Research Projects Agency, ARPA, named, “Human Language Technology, HLT,” which it used, doing quite a bit of the Developments from that Invention at Hill Field, in Northern Utah, to develop the “Intelligent Systems Technology Software, IST,” that was able to “activate” ARPA’s ARPANET, which produced the Reagan Star Wars Victory, after which the US Defense Department began letting the US Public use the ARPANET, which those Public Users renamed, “the Internet.”

So, WordPerfect used the Development of CCLTS’s HLT, at ERI, to produce what resulted in so much of the World’s Word Processing Software Industry; and Novell used the Development of CCLTS’s IST, at ERI, to produce what resulted in so much of the World’s Networking Software Industry.

“How was it that CCLTS was developed?”

In the days of the Eisenhower Administration the US Government said that it was committed to try to develop the CCLTS that would allow the US Government to offer to the People of the World the Services of a Worldwide Inter-lingual Telecommunications Utility that would allow All of the People of the World, over the USA’s development of the Internet etc., to have their Communications, in all of their Thousands of Languages, automatically and instantaneously translated into our World Language of North American English, and back to theirs, thereby allowing all of the People of the World to be able to “Go Into Business With The Free Enterprise System Of The People Of The USA,” thereby, in effect, bringing to an End the Confusion of Tongues of the Curse of Babel.

The US Government kept trying to do that, until 1966, when it admitted that it had no idea how to accomplish that Goal. At that time, then, the President of the LDS Church did what he did, relying on the Prophecy in D&C 90:10-11 that:
90:10. And then cometh the day when the arm of the Lord shall be
revealed in power in convincing the nations, the heathen nations, the house
of Joseph, of the gospel of their salvation.
11. For it shall come to pass in that day, that every man shall hear
the fulness of the gospel in his own tongue, and in his own language,
through those who are ordained unto this power, by the administration of
the Comforter, shed forth upon them for the revelation of Jesus Christ.

President David O. McKay assigned the BYU Departments of Linguistics and Computer Science to keep on trying to invent the Cost-effective Computerized Language Translation Software, that ARPA would name, “Human Language Technology, HLT.” Then he called a distinguished LDS Scientist to found the Eyring Research Institute, ERI, to take whatever Developments those BYU Departments could invent for HLT, and make that into the IST Software that was such a Goal of the US Government.

That “BYU Machine Translation Project of the 1970’s” went on for many years without being able to achieve that Invention.

However, then, an LDS Professional Language Translator, who had worked in the Translation Industry with a dozen different European Languages, (including his Native English), hired the Services of the Eyring Research Institute to provide the Services, for him, that would let him put into a Computer Software Program the way that the Seers, in the Book of Mormon, explained what it was that the Lord had told them, that allowed them to, “DO AWAY WITH LANGUAGE BARRIERS,” TO WORK WITH LANGUAGES IN THE WAY THAT “DOES AWAY WITH THE CURSE OF THE CONFUSION ON TONGUES, OF BABEL,” which was the Information, quoted from the Seers, in the Book of Mormon, that let that Professional Translator translate in the High Quality Way that he did with the Dozen European Languages with which he was recognized as having a Professional Translation Ability.
His Development at ERI was demonstrated there to the Top Experts in the USA, who, then, reported that to the Wall Street Journal, which, when it was published in its October 24, 1978 edition, THAT BELOVED INFORMATION, FROM THE WORLD’S BELOVED MARVELOUS WORK AND A WONDER, THE BOOK OF MORMON, DEVELOPED THE REAGAN STARS WARS VICTORY FOR THE USA, DEVELOPED THE INTERNET FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD TO USE, (WHICH ARPA MENTIONS HAS ELEVATED PRODUCTIVITY AND PROSPERITY FOR SO MANY OF THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, ALL OVER THE WORLD), AND HAS OPENED THE WAY FOR THE LDS PEOPLE TO “MASTER” THE BELOVED TRUTHS, FROM THE SEERS WHO GAVE TO US THE GIFT THAT IS HERE FOR EVERYBOCY IN THE WORLD, THAT IS DOING AWAY WITH THE EFFECTS THAT THE CURSE OF BABEL HAS HAD, THAT HAVE BEEN AGAINST THE HOPES FOR HAPPINESS OF THE HUMAN FAMILY.

It would seem like virtually Everybody, in “the Human Family,” is “happy,” with there being these Wonderful Technological Developments, from Utah, that came from “the Marvelous Work and a Wonder,” of “the Beloved Book of Mormon” of the People of the LDS Church, that ARPA is talking about, “how much it has increased the Productivity and Prosperity of so much of ‘the Human Family,’ all over the Earth.” “What is the Other ‘Side’ that, maybe, thinks that it is being ‘Put Out Of Existence’ by these Developments that seem like they are making everybody else happy?”

In “The Revelation 17:4,” that “Other Side” is identified as, “MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH,” in relation to which it is prophesied, in The Revelation 18:19, “for in one hour is she made desolate.”

The question could come up of, “What is this ‘Mystery, Babylon the Great etc.,” that the Apostle, John the Revelator, is referring to?”

Well, the successor to the Empire of Babylon, in the days when John the Revelator was continuing his Work, as a Leader of the Lord’s Church, in the part of the World where he wrote, “The Revelation,” was the Roman Empire. That entity had been the cause of very many of the evils, in relation to the Lord’s Work, in that part of the World where John the Revelator was continuing that Work. “Could it be that that ‘enemy’ that John the Revelator is referring to was, the Roman Empire?”

History Teachers might say that, “Because of the big amount of things that are involved in the World’s Politics, that came from the Roman Empire, there is not very much available in relation to the evils that were involved with it.” However, let us address what some of those evils were, in relation to the History of the Roman Empire.

It was right at about the time when the Emperor, Founder of the Ancient Empire of Babylon got the idea to organize the Operation of “the Main Trade Route of the World,” that went back and forth across the Mesopotamian Valley, in the middle of which the Ancient City of Babylon was located, to operate on “his Invention” of the idea of Gold Coins, from the enormous resource of that Metal in that Mine that was near to Babylon City, when the “fratricide” Founder of the City of Rome got the idea to found that City. Apparently such huge numbers of the Populations of the “gold-mine-less” European Continent began coming down the Italian Peninsula, to exchange their Products for those Gold Coins, so that they could operate things there, in their “gold-mine-less” Western Europe with those Gold Coins from Babylon, that that Founder of Rome got the idea to found it in order for it to be able to operate in the way that it continued doing.

[A Brief History of the Origin of the City of Ancient Rome.

The people who controlled the World Trade that came from the Populations of Asia, across the Mesopotamian Valley, that was bound for Europe, (and which came back from Europe to Asia), were the Speakers of the Ancient Greek Language, who, from their very many Islands and Peninsulas operated so very many Sea-going Ships that they were able to so completely dominate the transport of that World Trade, from the Mesopotamian Valley to the European Continent, and back, that had begun operating on that Invention of Ancient Babylon of Gold Coins. In doing this those Ancient Greeks did perhaps the large majority of those Operations of theirs from the bottom part of the Italian Peninsula, which they controlled and where they lived.
To get to that Supply of Gold Coins, for the people of “gold-mine-less” Western Europe, so much of that World Trade Traffic began coming from Western Europe, down the Italian Peninsula and back.

The Italian Peninsula is dominated by a long Mountain Range that goes from northwest, by the Alps, to the southeast, near to Greece. There is a river that comes from the west side of those Mountains, which continues to the southeast until it gets to the middle of that Peninsula, where it broadens out, just before it gets to where the City of Rome was established, and, then, a little further on, empties into the Mediterranean Sea.

So, all of this enormous amount of Trafficking in Goods, between Western Europe and the south end of the Italian Peninsula, and back, made its way along the Italian Peninsula on the road that was on the west side of that River, until that got to the place where it broadened out, where all of that Trafficking had to make its way back and forth across that broadened, more shallow part of that river by “wading” across it.

That man who was a notorious criminal, who had murdered his own brother, lived in a hut that was on the top of the one of the 7 Hills, (on which 7 “Hills” or “Mountains” the City of Rome was, eventually, built), that was closest to the place where all of those Traffickers had to do all of their wading. He got the idea to “build a bridge” over that place in that River, and then, to charge a “Gold Coin toll” to those who used it, to be able to get their Load of Trade Goods across that River in an easier way than that had been done by their wading across.

Until that time, persons had lived in huts etc., on those 7 Hills, but there was no population in the rather wide Gully that was in between all of them. So, that criminal, who got that bridge built, (and whose name became used as the name for the “City” that then developed, there -- in reaction to the collection of those Gold Coin Tolls -- which was the origin of the name of that City, of “Rome”) began his “industry” of collecting those Gold Coin Tolls in the middle of that vacant Gully, which was the Beginning of “the History” of that City to which the name, “Rome,” was given.

That part of Italy was named, “Latia.” The Language that was spoken there was called, “the Latin Language.” The way that the concept, “outside,” was expressed, in the Ancient Latin Language, was, “for-.” From that we get the English word for, “trees that are growing, outside of a community, to be a ‘for-’est”; for “a place that is, outside from the Land where one group lives, to be a ‘for-’eign place.” That vacant Gully, in between those 7 Hills, was called, by those people living in that Latia part of Italy, the “for-um.”

So, that place, in the middle of that Forum Gully, where that Criminal was able to collect what became, for those People, “the Large Amount of those Gold Coin Tolls,” that became the Beginning of there being a City that was named, “Rome,” that place that was the source of “that Income,” that was that Beginning of that City of Rome.

Because the collection of that Large Amount of those Gold Coin Tolls, there in the Forum, was the central thing that it was to the Beginning of that City, those collecting those Gold Coin Tolls built an “Exit Gate” at the south end of the Forum Gully that stood for the fact that, “after a Traveler had paid the Gold Coin Toll, there in the Forum, that was required for that Traveler to get his ‘Cargo’ over that Bridge, that had been built there, that Traveler was at liberty to exit underneath that Exit Gate along the Apian Way Road, that the Romans had built, that went south from that Exit Gate, to the South Part of Italy, where the Greek-speaking Sea-farers there had their enormous amounts of the Gold Coins of Babylon to pay for those Products of the Western Europeans that were being delivered there.” And, then, since that Exit Gate was the significant thing that it was, in relation to the Income of Rome, that had been collected in the “For-um,” that Exit Gate was given the name that it was, the “For-nix.”

And, now, for the Main Horrible Crime Against Mankind, that was committed by those who began the City of Rome.

Those Founders of Rome came to understand that they could collect a Multiple of the Gold Coins that they collected in the Forum if, after the Western European Merchants, with their Cargoes, had exited out from the Forum, under the Fornix Exit Gate, they could have a Large Hotel, that they built, on the west side of the Apian Way Road, just after those Merchants had exited out from under the Fornix Exit Gate, where, on the many balconies of that Large Hotel they could have large numbers of women, calling down to those Merchants, that they had the best Hotel Accommodations in Italy, there, with the Finest Food, the Finest Most Comfortable Furniture, the Best Entertainment, etc., etc., in Italy, to get those Merchants to stop, and to rest there, before continuing on for the rest of their long journey to the South End of the Italian Peninsula.

That large “Hotel” was built there. And, since it was there, right next to the Fornix Exit Gate, it too was given the name of it being, “the Fornix.” And, it did become the source of a Multiple of the Gold Coins that the Romans collected in the Forum, which became the Main Source of that Large Volume of Income of the Gold Coins from Babylon that enabled those “Founders of Rome” to establish their “Roman Empire,” that has had the dominating effect that it has had on the Culture of the People of Europe and of the World until this time.

But, now, for the terrible Evil against Mankind, that was done there.

If a person looks up, in most Dictionaries, the origin of the word for the “sin” of “fornication,” most Dictionaries will give the origin of that word from the name, “the Fornix,” of that large Main “Hotel,” that the Ancient Romans built. That is, it might have been the Largest House of Prostitution that had ever been built, in the History of the World, maybe, even, down until the present time.

In The Revelation, Chapters 17 and 18, the word, “fornication,” which word came from those Romans’ Largest House of Prostitution in History, till that time, is used 6 times in those two Chapters.]

However, THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF THE WORLD’S “MONEY,” COMES TO THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, TODAY, FROM THE WAY THAT THE ANCIENT ROMANS, WHO ESTABLISHED THEIR CITY OF ROME, WERE ALSO THE ESTABLISHERS OF THE WAY THAT ALMOST ALL OF THE WORLD HAS COME TO HAVE ALMOST ALL OF THEIR POLITICS OPERATE, AT THIS TIME.

The question can come up of, “What was it that the Apostle, John the Revelator, meant, when he wrote, in The Revelation 17:5,
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY,
BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND
ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH?”

and in 18:19, where he said:
“for in one hour is she made desolate?”

It has seemed, to Commentators on this, throughout History, that an identification of that “MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH,” is made, in relation to the City of the Ancient Romans, in The Revelation 17:9, with:
9 And here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are
seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
and in 17:18,where it is said:
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which
reigneth over the kings of the earth.

[One thing that is obvious to everyone in the World, about one “ignorance” that the Founders of Ancient Rome had, is that they thought that there were only 10 “Months” in a year. The word, “Month,” is an expression for how long it takes for the “Moon” to “spin around” the Planet Earth. It does that 12 times a year, each time of which is called a, “Month,” in Modern English, perhaps, a “Moonth,” in our Ancestral Anglo-Saxon.
So, to the Ancient Romans their word, “December,” meant the “10th” Month, “November,” meant the “9th” Month, “October,” meant the “8th” Month, and, “September,” meant the “7th” Month. When the Ancient Roman Emperors realized that they could not operate successfully, militarily, in Italy, against the Superior Military Operations of the North Europeans, and that those Roman Military Dictators needed to move their Military Headquarters out of Italy and over to Byzantium, they copied so many of the things that the North Europeans did, including the utilization among them of the fact that there are 12 Months in a year, by naming two of the Summer Months for those first Roman Emperors, Julius Caesar, and Augustus Caesar, the origin of the names, “July” and “August,” for those two Summer Months.]

The name of the Ancient Romans for the First Month, in the Summer, was for the primary ancient pagan goddess of the Romans, for which they used the name, “Juno,” the origin of the English word for the name of that Month, “June.”

The Ancient Roman Military Dictators operated their Military by the practice that, if a man would risk his life to go out to kill, according to the dictates of that Military Dictator, in exchange for a small “solid” Gold Coin, that man was given the name that he was a “solid-ier” of that Military Dictator, (the origin of the English word, “soldier”).

The Ancient Pagan Romans had ancient pagan Idols that they worshipped, in relation to their ancient pagan god and goddesses. One place where they worshipped an Idol of their pagan goddess Juno was near to the Fortress, on the north side of Rome, where the Solid-iers of Rome were stationed, to protect Rome against attackers.

So many in the populations of the Northern Europeans were so terribly offended at the Filthiness of the Lives of the Romans, that they destroyed the Decency of Life for so many of the male Merchants that were involved in that “Gold-Coin-Source Trade,” between Northern Europe and the South of Italy, that went through Rome, that so many of the People of Northern Europe wished so much that it would be possible, somehow, to destroy Rome. However, Rome was a long way away from Northern Europe; and, if the North Europeans were ever going to be able to get a large enough Military Force to the vicinity of Rome, so that it would be able to destroy Rome’s horrible Large House of Prostitution, it was understood that that attacking Army was going to need to be most clever in order to be able to get near enough to that horrible Large House of Prostitution in order to be able to do that.

However, eventually, one large Attacking Army had been able to secretly sneak up so close to that Fortress, that was there to stop Attacks against Rome, that it was almost ready to attack and destroy that Fortress and the “Army of Guards” that were in it, that they would have, then, been able to go to the south side of Rome and also destroy Rome’s horrible Large House of Prostitution.

However, just as that large attacking Army was sneaking though the last open space, before getting to that Fortress, it happened that that open space was a yard that was next to the place where the ancient pagan Romans worshipped their ancient pagan goddess, for which they used the name, Juno. And, it just happened that in the yard, that was in that final open space, there were a large flock of geese that had been put there. Then it happened that as that large attacking Army was trying so silently to sneak up close enough to that Fortress, so that they could attack it, while its Army of Guards were still mostly asleep, that flock of geese started cackling, at that those who in that Army of those Attackers. When that happened that cackling sound woke up some of those Guards, who, then, woke up all of the rest of that Army of Guards, who, from their Fortress, threw spears and shot down arrows, etc. at those Attackers. in such a way that they were able to stop that Attack.

After that Attack was defeated the talking began that, “That yard where those Geese are is the yard of the place where we worship our pagan goddess Juno. Those are the geese of our pagan goddess, Juno. Therefore, it was our pagan goddess, Juno, who ‘WARNED’ our Guards, through her geeses’ cackling, that woke up our Guards and stopped that Attack on the way that we do things here in Rome. THEREFORE, FROM NOW ON, LET’S CALL OUR PAGAN GODDESS JUNO, ‘JUNO THE WARNER.’”

One sees the basis of the Ancient Latin word for, “warn,” in the English word, “ad-monit-ion.” The, “monit” part of that word is the basis of the Ancient Latin word for, “warn.” Therefore, the Ancient Romans began calling their ancient pagan goddess, Juno, by the longer name, “Juno Moneta,” Ancient Latin for, “Juno the Warner.”

The point of this is that when the Romans began using some of all of that Babylonian Gold that they had, for them to begin “minting” their own Gold Coins, they did a lot of that minting in a place where they had a huge Idol of their pagan goddess, Juno Moneta. So, they began calling that place, that was their, “Mint,” their, “Moneta.” And, then, also, they began calling the Gold Coins that they “minted” there by that same name. And, those two names have continued in the Modern Latin Language of Spanish as, “una moneda,” which is the way that, “a coin,” is said in modern Spanish, and “la moneda,” which is the way that the expression, “the mint,” is said, in modern Spanish.

The French Language was different enough from Ancient Latin that the word, “moneda,” in Latin, came out as, “moneie,” in French. And, that French word, “moneie,” is the origin of our English word, “money.”

“What is a name that could be used for the ancient pagan ‘Culture” of Rome?” As they developed their “Ancient Roman Empire,” based upon the way that they “controlled life,” with the “monetas” (coins) of the Ancient Romans, among the populations of Southwest Europe, which area they made into their “Empire,” they did that with what most of the World would designate as a number of “evils.” One of what most people would call, “evils,” is that, when they so extended that Ancient Empire of theirs, it was estimated that about ½ of the people that made up the population that were the Subjects of those Roman Emperors were, “Slaves.” A “slave woman” has no ability to refuse when the Master who owns her decides that she will be sold to do prostitution services, at the behest of that Roman Master of hers.

And, so, since the “Culture of Money” of the Ancient Pagan Romans, that spread throughout the World, came from the Ancient Pagan Romans, and that Roman name for it continues, from the name of the main Ancient Pagan Goddess of the Ancient Romans, and since so much of the ancient Culture of the Ancient Pagan Romans came from the way that those Ancient Pagan Romans dealt with Mankind, through that which was named for their Ancient Pagan Goddess, Juno Moneta, it seems that the Apostle, John the Revelator, is speaking about that “continuation,” until this time, of that Culture of Rome, the Culture of Rome’s Main Pagan Goddess, Juno Moneta, “Money,” as he speaks about, “MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH,” that, “in one hour is she made desolate.”

So, here we have the present-day World, with so much of all of the World, today, enjoying “The Termination of the Curse of the Confusion of Tongues, from ancient Babel,” and, instead, enjoying so much the Explanation of the Ancient Nephite Seers, in the Marvelous Work and a Wonder of the Book of Mormon, that created the World’s Current Internet and so much of the modern Human Language Technology that THE WHOLE WORLD IS OPERATING ON TODAY, in a “Situation” where MONETA, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH, is in a position is which, “IN ONE HOUR IS SHE MADE DESOLATE.”

THE QUESTION, THEN, BECOMES, “WHICH ONES OF US WANT TO, AS THE ANCIENT NEPHITE SEERS, DO, IN THE BOOK OF MORMON, MAKE IT SO THAT ‘THE COMPLETE NEPHITE HUMAN LANGUAGE TECHNOLOGY’ OF THE BOOK OF MORMON IS MAKING IT SO THAT WE ARE AMONG ‘THOSE WHO ARE ORDAINED UNTO THIS POWER, BY THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE COMFORTER, SHED FORTH UPON THEM FOR THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST,’ so that ‘EVERY MAN SHALL HEAR THE FULNESS OF THE GOSPEL IN HIS OWN TONGUE AND IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE,’ or do we want to just stay, ‘on the Other Side,’ getting what we can of Moneta’s Moneta, until the end of Moneta does come, whenever it is, after that “one hour” when “is she made desolate’?”

If we do make the choice to do that the right way, so much of the information on how we are able to do that is on the Internet, in the Complete Human Language Technology Rule Writers’ Apprenticeship Course.


Amen,
Darren

[LoveIsTruth]

I don't want to live in Chicago, I want to live in Zion.

In Zion life will be much different than in Chicago, and we will not need gold and silver coins, or locks on our doors, and the culture of modern day Chicago will be barred from entering. ...

Chicago with her locked doors, locks on LDS temple lockers, and gold coins will not be part of the Zion set up after The Cleansing,.

Here is your problem then: You devise a system unfit and unwise for the reality of the world, which makes your comment irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion.

And moreover, even after the cleansing, the people will still be free to transact in gold and silver, as well as in anything else. And this Freedom, demanded by justice, but denied by plundering government (and ironically by you as well), is the point of this thread.

Peace.

[Darren]

Here is your problem then: You devise a system unfit and unwise for the reality of the world, which makes your comment irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion.

And moreover, even after the cleansing, the people will still be free to transact in gold and silver, as well as in anything else. And this Freedom, demanded by justice, but denied by plundering government (and ironically by you as well), is the point of this thread.

Peace.

You did not get the points.

First, it is not my system, a system of my or Bruce Wydner's design, it is the Lord's System, the principles brought forward through the records of the lost tribes of Israel, from Jesus Christ giving that System to them.

And

Second, in that System recorded in the records of the lost tribes of Israel, given to us by Jesus Christ is also a condemnation of the False System, that includes the exploitation of gold and silver mineral resources as part of the fiction of money for the purpose of controlling mankind by the same mechanism that was used to detour the pre-earth life spirits into a rebellion against our Lord.

I'm just trying to get the rebellion to end.

("The History of Money" by Bruce Wydner pp.18-19

At this point in our History of Money, the time has come to correct the record about “the nature of money.” When as a child in school you asked your teacher what money is, the answers which the teacher might have given to help the students, such as, “a medium of exchange,” were probably intended to conjure up in your mind the picture of trade as you knew it, as you had seen your parents shop or as you yourself had shopped in a store. However, though money is used in trade, that is not its principal purpose.

The principal purpose of money is today and always has been WAR.

Among the Persians, Greeks, Romans and their successor medieval European states, that is, the successors of Babel and Lydia, the reason for which the state struck coins was NEVER trade; it was always war: to pay the troops.

The blood and sins of so many generations of mankind are represented by those gold coins. I want nothing to do with them.

God Bless,
Darren

[LoveIsTruth]

First, it is not my system, a system of my or Bruce Wydner's design, it is the Lord's System, the principles brought forward through the records of the lost tribes of Israel, from Jesus Christ giving that System to them.

First of all the Lord's system is justice. And justice demands people be free to transact in anything they please including gold and silver. So ANY Just system, is the Lord's system, including 100% commodity based monetary system.

Secondly, this 100% commodity based system is the only one that can function well in this world where locks are needed, and men are less than angels.

Four prophets of God, the Book of Mormon, and the Lord himself told you so, but you do not listen to the truth. In fact, the system you are proposing is madness, unwise and stupid in the present world. Therefore it is an abomination against reason and wisdom at the present time, and therefore against what the Lord teaches. Therefore we DO have locks on our temples and chapels, and it would be WICKEDNESS on our part not to have them.

Yet this is the wickedness and madness you are advocating.

Thankfully the church leaders (whom you call politicized) are not as stupid as you are.

Second, in that System recorded in the records of the lost tribes of Israel, given to us by Jesus Christ is also a condemnation of the False System, that includes the exploitation of gold and silver mineral resources as part of the fiction of money for the purpose of controlling mankind by the same mechanism that was used to detour the pre-earth life spirits into a rebellion against our Lord.

Prove it. Give me anything the Lord has said that condemns gold and silver as money. You will not find it.

You might as well condemn air as the instrument of the devil because it allows wicked to breathe! You are dramatically confused.

I'm just trying to get the rebellion to end.

Then start with yourself, and quit rebelling against that which is just and wise and approved by God and his prophets, that is an honest and stable, 100% commodity based monetary system, established by prophet-kings beginning with Book of Mormon times. Stop rebelling against that which is just! It is not good on you!

The principal purpose of money is today and always has been WAR.

Then the principle purpose of air is the same! You are wrong! Honest money prevent war. Un-backed money enable it. None of the world wars could have happened on 100% commodity based monetary system, because the governments could not conjure pure gold and silver out of nothing to finance the slaughter.

Hard money prevent war. Fiat money enable it. Learn your facts first!

In fact, neither the welfare state, nor war state are possible under 100% commodity based monetary system, because such hard money make legalized counterfeiting IMPOSSIBLE, to finance these abominations via legalized plunder via "money" created out of nothing.

So hard money is the great defender of peace. And fiat money is the great enabler of war.

Among the Persians, Greeks, Romans and their successor medieval European states, that is, the successors of Babel and Lydia, the reason for which the state struck coins was NEVER trade; it was always war: to pay the troops.

First of all you do not need a state to strike coins. It is best left to Free Market and private businesses, than to a state monopoly that ALWAYS tends to legalized counterfeiting, diluting coins, or removing gold backing altogether. EVERY major war in the history of this world was connected with the state removing gold backing from "money" i.e. with legalized and monopolized counterfeiting, BY THE STATE, to finance the war. So the state should be put out of money creation business altogether.

Secondly, try making and iPod without the division of labor enabled by money. Honest money is nothing more than enabler of division of labor in a complex economy, and therefore is a great invention without which you could not even type the nonsense you are spouting, because you would not have a computer to type on!

I rest my case! You are contradicting yourself!

The blood and sins of so many generations of mankind are represented by those gold coins. I want nothing to do with them.

Then you are a fool. Maybe you wouldn't want anything to do with air too, because it enabled all the blood and sins of so many generations! You are demented! Why? Because you do not understand basic principles of justice and liberty, which is Private Property, my friend.

Peace.

[Darren]

Gold Coins (brought to us of the materialistic nature, and rationalistic mind) canker the soul with the Hate that Satan uses to get his ideas to be accepted. There is no justice in the mechanism of hatred, except the justice that sends rebellious souls to hell. Gold Coins are an extension of the hatred Satan espoused in the pre-earth life.

We need to be for what gives life and that more abundantly, no tricks, that are Satan's tricks, creating the Gross Darkness of thinking among mankind.

"Life" is in the commitment to be good, as the basis of contracts that actually run the economy of the planet. We just need to get rid of the instruments of materialist and rationalistic oppression, the vaults full of gold coins and federal reserve type credits that empower the mechanisms of top-down control.

(The History of School) by Bruce Wydner, pp.76-78)

We were told by LDS prophets to believe in America. Emerson spoke of believing in America to the extent that we turn our backs on “the courtly muses of Europe” and try to “learn” in the “new” way that America’s LAW was pointing toward.

Socrates: “What?” “What?” “What?” “What are you talking about?” You’re dreaming. You’re in a daze. You didn’t; explain “orthodox philosophy’s base.” You are a simpleton. “Can’t you get that through your blockhead?” You don’t know anything and CERTAINLY not my chart. IF you did you would be able to explain what “VIRTUE” is. And NO MAN KNOWS WHAT VIRTUE IS! NO MAN KNOWS WHAT VIRTUE IS!! NO MAN KNOWS WHAT VIRTUE IS!!! “Don’t you get it ?” “That IS the STATE!”

Socrates, that statement is a declaration of war against the Freedom of Americans: the LAW of America. They all have their freedoms because of what juries have declared, and the basis of juries has been that anybody who is really “free” knows what LAW is. Law is what is “right”; and “right” is what is “good.”

But, then, I guess that that would be but natural for a person barreling down the high road of materialism, abandoning all hope that he, himself, personally has any knowledge at all of what Goodness is. However, if only we will but treasure the slightest hope that we have any hold at all upon personally knowing what Goodness is, then we, you and all who have followed you who have felt so pressed to devote all of your mental energy to the attack of the material things which you feel you must hate, wouldn’t feel the hate anymore. Then we would be like we were as little children all over again. A little child is not constantly preoccupied with the material things which he can actually see are taking life from him. A little child has hardly any concept of such things. The little child’s mind isn’t traveling in the direction, on that chart (see Figure 1), from energy to matter — that is, from the general to the specific or deductively ― as “all scientific knowledge” has from that ancient time when the chart was adopted for use as its base (and even before that time). The child’s mind is going in just exactly the opposite direction. Far from fretting about what is taking life from him, he has life; he just wants to enjoy it: to have fun. His life is all from the specific to the general ― from matter to energy on the chart ― in the inductive direction. If we can just get ourselves to do this again: no “always hate” — always love; no “always zeroing in on material enemies, general to specific” ― just enjoying life again, specific to general; then we would be just like we were when we were little children, all over again! Then it would be easy, with other persons of like feeling, to listen to the counsel of the prophets of the Latter-day Saints; for then we, you and I and every other such person, would know what VIRTUE is. “Would you like to know what ‘Virtue’ is, Socrates, ‘that which is just because it is,’ that all of the little children of the earth are born reacting to with speech sounds from out of their throats?”

I just love this video, as it is the love, or human focus upon virtue that we need, not gold coins (a materialistic and rationalistic false proxy for love). From a linguist's perspective Law and Love are the same word.

Socrates: “What???” “What are you talking about?” “Are you completely insane?” No, you’re serious. You really think that you can. Sure! Yeah! Go ahead! Make more of a complete fool out of yourself than you’ve already proven that you are.

Well, if that is the way that you are going to talk ...

Socrates: No, no, I mean “please!” “Please do.”

Well, from the point of view of every child that has ever been born, all that his or her personal concept of what life is, at birth, to which he or she reacts with total spontaneity, is just these black marks here on the chart going from the most specific to the most general (refers to the black marks on the “How Man Looks And Sees ‘It’“ Chart in Figure 1).

Socrates: “Huh?”

Socrates, if only we will but hold on to the slightest hope that we ourselves and all other persons with us, are born knowing what is right ― what is good, what our PURPOSE in Life is, that which has been the Message of America ― that is, if we will only repent of all of the negative attitudes or negative mindedness that “all” of your “Science” has proved itself to have been through all of these millenniums of going from the general to the specific; then by the very tool that all “Science” has based itself upon since your time, the “Inflection” chart, it is the very most obvious thing in all Existence what Virtue is. This is “Virtue,” ― going from the black mark by the most specific thing on The “How Man Looks And Sees ‘It’“ Chart to the black mark for the most general ―

ONE, MAN, who is ACTING but never “acted upon,” that is, touching but “NEVER TOUCHED.” Because of this, that he is “acting” but never “acted upon,” that makes Him the One that is the ACTION or power that we see CREATING ALL QUALITY. “Why does this, ‘that He is acting but never acted upon,’ make Him the ONE that is the action or power that we see creating all QUALITY?” Because He is the ONE, LOOKED AT PHYSICALLY, on whom, RIGHT NOW, the PRESENT time, the instant we are born, we are born with our MIND’S “EYE” fixed; and we wish ENTHUSIASTICALLY to see Him with our PHYSICAL EYES because we see Him as the ENERGY, the Power or “It,” WHICH IS DOING EVERYTHING, NEVER DONE TO.

Socrates: Uuh.

“What is that, Socrates?”

Socrates: Uuh.

Tell him boys and girls.

“God?”

That is the universal childhood concept of God.

("The History of Money, Part 1" by Bruce Wydner, pp.4-6)

Socrates: I can’t believe my own ears. Don’t ... get the wrong idea! I don’t want to hear any more.

Stop this ... “rampage.” Please. Before you do some irreparable damage.

Now, I can’t be exactly sure that I fully comprehend what I just got through hearing; but I do perfectly understand the direction that you are trying to go in this quest of yours relative to inductive thinking — it is exactly the opposite of the way that I wish for people to think — and I just implore you to stop.

I’m not at all certain of the specific results which you might think to accomplish by this line of reasoning that you are following; but I do most emphatically know that what you just now said relative to your reversed analysis of the Inflection Chart, if you are not most cautious about what you say about that kind of a thing, can be the cause of irreparable harm to the most precious treasure that the human race owns.

“What is, ‘the most precious treasure that the human race owns,’ Socrates?”

Socrates: Money.

“Money is ‘the most precious thing that the human race owns’?”

Socrates: Well of course it is.

“Can you imagine the chaos that would reign in the world tomorrow if something happened that shook mankind’s faith in money?” That would be the end of everything that humanity cherishes.

Stop and just think. Every single thing on this earth that has any real value can have that value expressed in terms of so many dollars and cents, when people get down to being solemn about it. Even a mother’s love, if a child is deprived of it, is finally expressed in a court settlement (at least to the court’s satisfaction) in the terms of a certain quantity of money.

Let me state my position more bluntly. Money is the ONLY thing of value that mankind as a group knows. And money is nothing other than the unwavering faith of people in their politicians — the faith that you are destroying by that “turnabout” that you just made with your reverse analysis of the Inflection Chart.

The History of Money: Introduction

This book is intended to be used as a reference, to show a person who is committed to the challenge of completely controlling his or her own mind...

After human nature gives up its hope that it can continue to think in this “believing,” inductive way of looking at things, it is still equipped with the same elements, or “tools,” for looking that it had before — albeit that it has gone over to a deductive way of looking at things, which is the definition of “doubting.”

The young children of the human race are the “believing” part of the human race. The grown-ups are its “doubters.” The grown-ups still have the same tools — the mind, the mind’s “eye” and the physical eyes ― which they had before. “What is it that they use these tools of belief for, during the post-childhood portion of life, characterized, relative to childhood, by ‘doubt’?”

“What is it that post-childhood mankind believes?” Well, that is no mystery, what they see....

Look unto me in every thought; doubt not, fear not.
Doctrine and Covenants 6:36

“If gold and silver are that upon which the mind’s eye of doubting mankind has settled as that which can help it ‘almost’ the most to survive comfortably, what is it upon which the mind’s eye of doubting mankind has settled as that which can help it ‘the most’?”

It wouldn’t be right to say, “other men,” because that misses the mark. It is better to say that it is “an abstract concept” (intensively encouraged by propaganda but which doubting men probably would have had anyway) of that about other men that is most able to help them survive comfortably.

People see that other people are that which is most able to help them survive comfortably, if only they were disposed to. The fact that most people, apparently, haven’t been disposed to, has created this “abstract concept” about other men as that which is most able to help them, which, together with the way they hold gold and silver in their mind’s eye, is what created “money.”

Money

It was said about the “abstract concept,” that doubting mankind “probably” would have had something like it anyway. However, this specific “abstract concept” about which we talk is one that has been “encouraged,” investigated at length by the arch-political strategists, developed and subsidized, so that by making a study of the history of money, we can see by these external encouragements — propaganda — a history of what doubting mankind has done since its beginning with the tools that it used in its childhood to believe.

So this History of Money is really a history of what mankind has done with the tools of belief (the tools that could have been used for inductive reasoning) since the beginning. Perhaps as we read this we will see a history of deductive reasoning, doubting, in its broadest view and thereby prepare ourselves best to eliminate such from our thinking as we undertake to get ourselves to use these tools again in a totally inductive undertaking.

This book, then, is really the history of deductive reasoning, told in a way that such a vast subject, the history of mankind’s doubtful thinking, can be set out in a rather short presentation, just ample enough to get the point across.

Speaking of “the point,” this book differs from Book One and Book Three in that they, in the finest academic tradition, are Socratic dialogues: conversations one partner in which is Socrates.

Since, however, this book is an effort to view the phenomenon of money, and the human mental activity that has created it, from a dispassionate, detached and analytical point of view, there seems no way to deal with such a subject as this in this manner through the mouth of the person responsible for fathering the doctrine creating both. “For how can any person so involved, whom we have here saying that this is ‘the most precious treasure that the human race owns,’ the person who was responsible for ‘fathering’ the doctrine that created it, be ‘detached’ about that doctrine?”...

(The History of Money, Part 2) by Bruce Wydner, pp.69-70)

GOOD FAITH

Value

Regardless of what side of the world’s political fence one might choose to stand on, in the year 1982, either the “Free Enterprise” side or the Communist side, there is only one entity of value for the control of which the highest of powers on either one of those sides is GRABBING.

That single entity of value is the resource of the credit-belief-faith of people somehow operating under those rules of the medieval Gild System that the English-speaking people call “the Law Merchant.”

This single entity of value is at once the most valuable and useful thing which mankind has ever discovered. The “Good Faith” of the people of Northern Europe, which is the basis of the Law Merchant, is the one thing that mankind has ever discovered that is so much more valuable and useful than gold or silver ever were, as circulating exchange media, that the disappearance of both of the latter as circulating exchange media, is scarcely missed.

There are a number of different ways that the sociologist could identify this single entity which mankind has found to be the most valuable and useful thing which it has ever come upon. They could call it, “the survival of the ancient folkways of the North European people,” “the surviving portion of the Gild System,” “the organizational features of the Hansa that have been resuscitated by the United Nations and the International Court of Justice” or “the international customs that are evidence of general practices accepted as law” which are recognized by those latter two organizations. Or one could get general and call it such a thing as, “the perceptible structures of the Protestant Ethic.” One could even get so imprecise and general as to call it, “the reaction of Northern Europe to the attempted GRAB by the Kaiser and Pope for the credit resources of that area, i.e. Protestantism.”

The Answer

In view of these things, there is an answer to the observations of Socrates at the beginning of Part One of this Book, that “money is the most precious treasure that the human race owns” and that “money is nothing other than an unwavering faith of people in their politicians.” It is indeed true that all of the instrumentalities of the Good Faith of the people who transmitted the rules of the Law Merchant to us, are called, “money.” But that is where the identification ends. Today it is feasible that all true money, coins, could be totally done away with and not missed at all.

However, just as politics wishes people to use the term “money” and does not like to go into the specifics of the history of money, as it has been covered in these Books, nor the specifics of the origins of the Law Merchant as they have been covered in this Book, we have gone into those specifics.

So to Socrates we can now answer that the most useful and valuable thing that the human race has ever come upon, the Good Faith of the people of the townships of Northern Europe, is far more valuable and useful than money. And not only does that Good Faith not have anything at all to do with his invention of money, it has nothing to do with his concepts of Orthodoxy, Politics and his System for Learning. And, most of all, it has nothing whatsoever to do with him.

[LoveIsTruth]

"Gold Coins (of the materialistic nature, and rationalistic mind) canker the soul with the Hate that Satan uses to get his ideas to be accepted. There is no justice in the mechanism of hatred. Gold Coins are an extension of the hatred Satan espoused in the pre-earth life."

Why not air then, or water, or milk, or grain? The same lunacy can be asserted about them as well! What is the difference? Gold is just another element. There is zero logic in your assertion. It is baseless in reason, and is not supported by evidence of fact.

Any material object can be used for good or evil. To condemn the object, instead of the evil intent of a demented user, is the hight of stupidity. You might as well condemn air because it enabled all the sins and wickedness since the world began. This is a wicked conclusion, supported by Satan, for by forbidding air, you forbid life itself. It is the trick Lucifer used in the pre-existence when he rebelled against the agency of man because agency enable iniquity. Of course he forgot to mention that agency also enable righteousness, and without agency the whole purpose of existence is null and void.

This is the wicked non-logic you and Wydner are applying to gold as well. Gold is just an element. A useful tool. The fact that it, like any other material object, can be used for good or evil does not make it evil. Just like air is not evil because the wicked breathe it. Learn the difference. Don't fall for this wicked trick.

Moreover, there is nothing wrong with rational mind. In fact irrational mind is the definition of madness, (the very madness Bruce Wydner and you promote)!

We just need to get rid of the instruments of materialist and rationalistic oppression, the gold coins and federal reserve type credits that empower the mechanisms of top-down control.

He throws the baby out with the bath water.

I say it again, 100% commodity based money produced by anyone in a Free Market END top-down control, and give power back to the people where it belongs. And federal reserve type credits enable the top-down oppression. So Wydner confuses the two opposite mediums because he is ignorant of fundamental principles of Liberty and Justice, which is Private Property, also known as agency.

it is the love, or human focus upon virtue that we need, not gold coins, a materialistic and rationalistic proxy for love.

I am not asking your to set your focus on gold coins, that would be wicked, just like setting your focus on cars, or boats, or anything else other than the Lord. This however does not mean that cars and boats and gold coins do not have an important part to play in our life. When was the last time you travelled by a car? Today? Did I ask you to worship your car? No. It is a very useful tool, but no one said it was an end in itself.

A hammer can be used to build a house for a loving family or to commit a brutal murder. There is nothing wrong with hammers, saws, gold coins or cars,-- it is how they are used.

Get it?

“Science” has proved itself to have been through all of these millenniums of going from the general to the specific

There is nothing wrong with general or specific. Everything has its proper place. In fact without specific general would be meaningless, and vice versa.

money is nothing other than the unwavering faith of people in their politicians

No.

FIAT money is the "unwavering faith of people in their politicians.
100% commodity based money is unwavering DISTRUST of people in their politicians and banksters.

Why? Because such hard money does not require faith in politicians or banksters, because it cannot be conjured out of nothing at a whim of a bureaucratic monopoly or legalized counterfeiter, (which is its primary value), and because 100% commodity money ANYONE can freely produce thus ensuring its quality via Free Market competition.

So you are lumping together good and evil without even realizing it. Why are you so blind? Because you do not understand fundamental principles of justice and liberty. Learn them.

albeit that it has gone over to a deductive way of looking at things, which is the definition of “doubting.” ... Perhaps as we read this we will see a history of deductive reasoning, doubting, in its broadest view and thereby prepare ourselves best to eliminate such from our thinking as we undertake to get ourselves to use these tools again in a totally inductive undertaking.

There is nothing wrong with deductive reasoning, it is a very useful tool, just like inductive reasoning. They work together to reveal the truth.

“What is, ‘the most precious treasure that the human race owns,’ Socrates?”
Socrates: Money.

Money is the most widely desired commodity. It is not however the most precious treasure by far.

The most pressures treasure of the human race is joy, happiness and peace.

So weather Socrates is taken out of context here or not, you should not justify your errors with his supposed errors.

Money is just a useful tool that enables division of labour in a free market. That's it.

The “Good Faith” of the people of Northern Europe, which is the basis of the Law Merchant, is the one thing that mankind has ever discovered that is so much more valuable and useful than gold or silver ever were, as circulating exchange media, that the disappearance of both of the latter as circulating exchange media, is scarcely missed.

"Scarcely missed?" Really? All world wars and every privation of welfare and warfare state are enabled by fiat "good faith" money of the lying and counterfeiting politicians and banksters. None of this evil could be even remotely possible under a 100% commodity based monetary system, which cannot be conjured out of nothing by a counterfeiting bankster or politician to finance their wars and plunder schemes.

So if Justice and Liberty are "scarcely missed" then 100% commodity money is also scarcely missed. If they are "scarcely missed" it is only because the people are blind (by deliberate design of their would be masters) to the instruments of their oppression,-- FIAT unbacked money, a.k.a. legalized plunder via legalized and monopolized counterfeiting of money.

[Darren]

In the manufacture of gold coins by governments, or in the issuance of Carbon Credits by governments, in the fluoridation of water as a government mandate, the replacement of Raw Milk with FDA approved milk, with the fascist cabal to trick us into accepting GMO grain, is the millenniums old, calculated scam by the minions of Satan, to produce the Idols, of the Idolatry of Satan. The idol of the "best thinking" of Mankind's misguided thinking, of the evil given through that mechanism. To put Satan's government over mankind.

So yes even with the air, water, milk and grain is the obvious tyranny of the Socratic System of Satan.

And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
Deuteronomy 4:28

Gold Coins become something other than of their inherent purpose unto mankind once they get accepted as money.

Gold Coins and Carbon Credits are not of the true system of Trust that actually runs the economy, and until we discover that we are a controlled people.

But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
Deuteronomy 4:29

"Good Faith" never was money or fiat, only a promise to be good in doing what a person or group of people promised to do. As that was kept inviolate by the verdicts of juries. This is Law.

When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the Lord thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
Deuteronomy 4:30-31

"Good Faith" is as much a commodity as is gold and silver minerals, except it is the only commodity that comes from mining the element of our eternal intelligence.

God Bless,
Darren

[LoveIsTruth]

In the manufacture of gold coins by governments,

Did you miss the fact that the governments practically eliminated gold coins from circulation? It is not an accident. It is a centerpiece of their evil design for plundering the people via legalized and monopolized counterfeiting.

So the government should be put out of money creation business altogether. It must be left to the Free Market, for justice demands this freedom which present governments seek to deny.

So yes even with the air, water, milk and grain is the obvious tyranny of the Socratic System of Satan.

So would you then, like Satan, outlaw air, water, milk and grain, because they could be used for evil purposes? Would you also outlaw the agency of man for the same reason? If yes, then you are following in the footsteps of the devil, and God does not justify your wickedness.

Gold Coins become something other than of their inherent purpose unto mankind once they get accepted as money.

Their primary purpose is to prevent legalized counterfeiting by plundering politicians and banksters. That is a very worthwhile purpose, just like locks on our temples and chapels serve a very important and useful function. (Which wisdom of God you do not approve of to your detriment).

Gold Coins and Carbon Credits are not of the true system of Trust that actually runs the economy, and until we discover that we are a controlled people.

Gold coins do NOT require trust in lying politicians nor in conniving banksters, because they cannot be conjured out of nothing at their whim to plunder the people via legalized counterfeiting. "Until we discover that we are a controlled people."

But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
Deuteronomy 4:29

Indeed. Start by listening to his modern and ancient prophets (including those in the Book of Mormon), which reassert hard, 100% commodity money as a just and stable monetary system. Are you wiser than God and his modern day prophets? It looks like you think so, because you called them "politicized."

Moreover, reason itself asserts, and justice of God demands this freedom which you deny. But truth speaks for itself. He who has ears to hear let him hear.

"Good Faith" is as much a commodity as is gold and silver minerals, except it is the only commodity that comes from mining the element of our eternal intelligence.

And if you can find this "Good Faith" in lying politicians or in counterfeiting banksters, more power to you, but you must not deny the rest of us the right to transact in gold and silver without being harassed by the plundering politicians and banksters, for that would be unjust of you.

[LoveIsTruth]

dl

[Darren]

With any commodity, Good Faith, gold and silver - is its purpose.

Gold and Silver fill the measure of their creation when they are used for the betterment of mankind, i.e. for fillings in teeth, and for electronics. But Satan turns that around to make coins for the promotion of his kingdom, to take goodly element and use it to promote and propaganda (the thinking of the "Smart People")of that which has a false purpose.

Good Faith, as maintained by juries, seekers judging the virtuous seeking of another, has one purpose, the betterment of mankind.

The history of the world tells a very clear picture of what happens to gold coins once they become money, their purpose becomes not for the betterment of mankind, as they are inherently materialistic. Good Faith in the Nordic Tradition works because the betterment of mankind has always been its purpose. Only one commodity has a track record in operating by virtue, and justice, and that is the Good Faith of the Hanseatic League and its successor and predecessor organizations of the United States and the society set up by Jesus Christ at Lake Law in 43 A.D.

Gold money is a hindering principle upon governments which is why they opted to move into fiat money, but it is when we realize that we don't need government in the Babylonian Tradition, and instead live and work together by the organizational principles found in Deuteronomy that we elevate mankind to its true purpose. Good Faith is part of the organizational principles found in that True System.

God Bless,
Darren

[LoveIsTruth]

Gold and Silver fill the measure of their creation when they are used for the betterment of mankind

Don't you think that physically preventing banksters and politicians from counterfeiting is a good function for the betterment of mankind?

The history of the world tells a very clear picture of what happens to gold coins once they become money, their purpose becomes not for the betterment of mankind, as they are inherently materialistic.

You are wrong.

The history of the world clearly shows that when gold coins are undiluted by governments a period of great prosperity and peace takes place, like in the US in 1800's when gold was restored after the Civil war. It was a time of unprecedented growth, when industry was about to separate and become independent from banking (which banksters couldn't go for, so they ended gold with Federal Reserve "flexible" currency followed by great depression and two world wars).

Gold is not more "inherently materialistic" than milk or grain or bricks or nails. It's just another product in a free market which plays an important role of restricting banksters and politicians from conjuring "money" out of nothing and thus robbing the people.

Good Faith in the Nordic Tradition works because the betterment of mankind has always been its purpose. Only one commodity has a track record in operating by virtue, and justice, and that is the Good Faith

Commodity money does NOT require "good faith" in lying politicians or conniving banksters. So I have Good Faith in a Free Market, not in broken promises of criminals in government or banking. Get it?

Gold money is a hindering principle upon governments which is why they opted to move into fiat money, but it is when we realize that we don't need government in the Babylonian Tradition, and instead live and work together by the organizational principles found in Deuteronomy that we elevate mankind to its true purpose. Good Faith is part of the organizational principles found in that True System.

In Deuteronomy they had gold and silver money. Did you miss that fact?

And secondly, there is zero contradiction between justice, true purpose, and freedom of people to transact in their own property as they please, including in gold, silver, milk, or anything else.

The system is just, wise, and necessary for a world were not all men are angels. God and his prophets said as much, but you do not believe them, which does not make the truth without an effect.

[Darren]

I have introduced a very air tight case for a system that once worked well, in its fullness before the 8th Century, and has continued as what is remember today as The Law Merchant. I have the history of a culture on my side, rooted in the teachings of Jesus Christ given to them in Nordic Europe, of working together by Trust, before the infection of a Gold Standard from the Top-down Control System of Governments in the Babylonian Tradition.

To me it is a surety that governments, once infected with the newer and easier version of their top-down control instrument of fiat currency, they will not revert to solely using gold and silver coinage. There simply is no precedence for this.

When you go to Welfare Square in Salt Lake City and witness the operation of that largest of Bishop Storehouses, in the Check-Out Stands, how they do not utilize any form of money in their operation, that it is a surety to me that as the Church rises to dominate in the affairs of men, that Bishop Storehouses, the market place for a Zion people, will never begin to incorporate Babylon’s Money.

So there you have it, other than perhaps some small country or aboriginal tribe giving gold and silver coinage a reprieve. Gold and silver coinage is a dead concept.

And as much as Gold Bugs want a Renaissance of the glory days of a gold standard, it is not going to happen.

You need not look backwards into the history of these systems of men, for something better, of what governments would obviously hate to have to go back to, and like my quest has brought me to, move on to the thing that replaces this materialism, the devices of smarty-pants designed to control the world from the top-down, by the false virtue of their ideas about matter and the nature of man.

We have the answer available today, and it is in the Scriptures of the lost tribes of Israel.

I fully expect that at Adam-ondi-Ahman, if the Church has not yet begun to expand upon the System of Trust, that Jesus Christ will order, as he once had at Lake Law, upon that same principle. And those people fantasizing about a return to a gold standard will feel completely outmoded.

God Bless,
Darren

[LoveIsTruth]

I have the history of a culture on my side, rooted in the teachings of Jesus Christ given to them in Nordic Europe, of working together by Trust, before the infection of a Gold Standard from the Top-down Control System of Governments in the Babylonian Tradition.

You have your history wrong. The trust has been violated by lying politicians and counterfeiting banksters, because not all men are angels. Thus hard money is a wise response to such situation, a response approved by God and his prophets whose words you disdain.

Not surprisingly, such stable and just system of hard money and the gold standard were always hated by every tyrannical plundering government, and ironically by you. So you play into the hand of the enemies of liberty by fighting against justice and wisdom of God.

So in this present world, this "infection" of gold standard is the "infection" of justice and liberty which you deny, to your detriment.

When you go to Welfare Square in Salt Lake City and witness the operation of that largest of Bishop Storehouses, in the Check-Out Stands, how they do not utilize any form of money in their operation, that it is a surety to me that as the Church rises to dominate in the affairs of men, that Bishop Storehouses, the market place for a Zion people, will never begin to incorporate Babylon’s Money.

If you wish to put everyone on welfare, that is...
Church uses money in almost everything it does. You obviously missed that important fact.
There is nothing wrong with money. The problem is dishonest and unstable money.
You are wrong. Money is a great invention demanded by justice (for it would be unjust to forbid it by violence).

So there you have it, other than perhaps some small country or aboriginal tribe giving gold and silver coinage a reprieve. Gold and silver coinage is a dead concept.

Your understanding of justice, liberty and economics is a dead concept. You cannot forbid justice. Learn that.

And as much as Gold Bugs want a Renaissance of the glory days of a gold standard, it is not going to happen.

It will happen if people are free and choose it. Justice demands it.

You need not look backwards into the history of these systems of men, for something better, of what governments would obviously hate to have to go back to, and like my quest has brought me to, move on to the thing that replaces this materialism, the devices of smarty-pants designed to control the world from the top-down, by the false virtue of their ideas about matter and the nature of man.

You can "move on" to living without locks and without money (see how long it takes you). But you have no right to forbid others to be wise and use both of these.

Your wisdom is madness in the present world. And the Church and the Lord agree, for they use both locks and money. Why? Because it is wise and just. Both things that you deny.

I fully expect that at Adam-ondi-Ahman, if the Church has not yet begun to expand upon the System of Trust, that Jesus Christ will order, as he once had at Lake Law, upon that same principle. And those people fantasizing about a return to a gold standard will feel completely outmoded.

Until that time it is wisdom to use both locks on your doors and honest hard money. The prophets of God say that much, your folly notwithstanding.

Peace.

[Darren]

Abundance vs. Scarcity

Abundance is the true nature of humanity, it is inhumane to enact systems upon scarcity.

To believe in the scarcity of correct thinking is to believe in Top-down Government, to be the Think Tank to govern the rest of us dimwits. This was Satan's plan from the beginning. Fiat Money and a Gold Standard are examples of working together by Satan's plan for top-down control based upon the ideology of Scarcity.

If you believe in an abundance of correct thinking, with just about everybody always going right, by being connected to the Holy Ghost, as part the eternal company of self-governance, of everybody doing their part in society, working together by Jesus' plan for bottom-up self-control based upon the ideology of abundance. Zion's board of trade and other elected officials working on behalf of and by the consent of the self-governed, with bottom-up commitment (oaths, contracts) and stewardship engaging in the market place, to enrich and provide abundance as part of His work and glory, in all of our lives.

Abundance vs Scarcity Mindset
by Shaun Rosenberg
http://www.shaunrosenberg.com/abundance ... ty-mindset

There two ways to look at life. The first is though abundance where you are always able to find enough and there are always plenty of opportunities for everyone. The other way to look at life is through scarcity. This is where you don’t believe there is enough for everyone and you find yourself in situations where you lack the things you want.

“There are two ways to look at life, one is as though nothing is a miracle the other is as though everything is a miracle” Albert Einstein

Some people try to disprove abundance by looking for evidence of scarcity. You can often hear them say, “The bills keep piling up” or “there’s not enough money to go around.” If you are also in the scarcity mindset then this does sound like the truth.

It may seem like you need to work harder just to break even or that life is just meant to be stressful.

What this mindset fails to realize is just how complex our world is. You will always be able to find what you are looking for. If you search for scarcity you will find scarcity.

By focusing on scarcity and on things that you lack you are only bringing more of those things into your life. By thinking about your bills, debts, and hardships you are working towards more of those negative things and you will be able to find even more examples of them.

Abundance on the other hand is a different kind of mindset and it leads us to a different path in life. It focuses on the things that we have a lot of and the great experiences that we come across in our journey.

“The world is full of abundance and opportunity, but far too many people come to the fountain of life with a sieve instead of a tank car… a teaspoon instead of a steam shovel. They expect little and as a result they get little.”Ben Sweetland

By focusing on the good areas of life and on our goals we start to see more of the good side of life and opportunities start to emerge from behind corners that we couldn’t get to before.

From an Abundance standpoint, life is fun, life is worth living, and life gives us all a chance to go after our dreams and to better ourselves. Life is simply better all around.

But of course whenever you hear someone tell you that you can have everything you want if you just believe you can one of the things you might come up with is, “that is easy for you to say, if life is already going so well for you then of course you can think abundance.”

That’s true. It is much easier to think abundance when you look around at a world that is already filled with abundance. However in order to get to a life of abundance in the first place you have to start thinking about it. In other words the mindset comes first!

Think about this, 80% of millionaires inherited nothing from their families. Of the remaining 20% the vast majority of them inherited a lot less than a million dollars. It is pretty clear that most people who live a life of excess money got there by themselves.

The way they got there was with their mindsets. We all have ups and downs in this life, but the people who are able to focus on the positives and look for new opportunities always rise to the top.

The world around them simply bends to their will as if to make sure that their beliefs about how the world works are proven correct.

As they succeed and start seeing more abundance in life it reinforces their abundant mindset, which in turn creates more abundance around them. Our mindset is everything.

“People with a scarcity mentality tend to see everything in terms of win-lose. There is only so much; and if someone else has it, that means there will be less for me. The more principle-centered we become, the more we develop an abundance mentality, the more we are genuinely happy for the successes, well-being, achievements, recognition, and good fortune of other people. We believe their success adds to…rather than detracts from…our lives.” Stephen R. Covey

If we believe that life is full of love and happiness then it will be. If we believe that our life is full of lack then that is what we will find instead.

The problem is your surroundings and prior beliefs can make it hard to change your mindset. If you have already been living your life in one way and you are seeing evidence that your way of living is right for so long, then it is not going to be easy to do a 180 and start looking at life from a different perspective.

Like the old saying goes, “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks.” We are already accustomed to our current beliefs, so changing your mind and believing that your reality is different then it was before is going to come with a lot of resistance at first.

So, how do you do it? How do you go about changing your mindset from scarcity to abundance if you have debt collectors, excess bills, loss of a loved one, or so on?

Well one way is to stop focusing on the bad things in life and start focusing on the good things. Don’t think about how much you owe someone else or whether or not you will have to declare bankruptcy.

Don’t focus on the potential problems that might come your way. Instead focus on the opportunities that you will have in life. Think about everything that is good.

Focus on the good, fall in love with life, with the challenges that come your way, with the experiences that you will have, and think about how amazing it is that life even exists in the first place. It is a marvelous planet we live in!

Once more focus on the life you want to have and the person you want to be. Believe that you are already that person and live life as if you are already achieving your goals. Imagine your reality slowly evolving and turning into the life that you have imagined.

“Gratitude is the open door to abundance .” unknown

When you first start changing your mindset it may seem tough, because your reality will probably stay the same for a while. All those years of believing one thing will not get washed away by a few hours of a new belief.

As you keep it up and stay passionate about life it becomes much easier to believe your new reality because the circumstances around you will change. It may be little things at first, your friends may treat you different or you may run into others who are already living the life you want to live.

Life begins to rearrange itself to fit into your beliefs. Suddenly you start to see abundance all around you and the world in which you live starts to change drastically.

You may be thinking, “life is not that easy” and yes, it kind of is. There are lots of variables in life, but your mindset plays a major role in how those variables turn out. When you search for the good in life good things start to happen to you that you might not have ever even thought about before.

Your life really does change to fit your thoughts.

It may require a leap of faith to get started and you may need to ignore what you already believe, but the best adventures in life come from us taking a leap of faith.

The man who opens up his first business on the corner of a busy street has to take a leap of faith that he will indeed get enough customers to turn a profit. It can be hard to take that initial step without knowing for sure what will happen.

But once things start to pan out and he starts to get buying customers it is much easier to open that door everyday and come into work.

“Jump, and the net will appear.” Bruce Crowther

The world is full of abundance if you believe it! One of the most amazing parts about this world is that we really do have a nearly limitless amount of potential on this planet. To me this is fun, it’s exciting, and it makes me want to experiment and shape the world in whatever ways I can imagine.

Abundance is such a unique concept because it is everywhere. Yet at the same time you have to look for it to be able to find it. Those who ignore it and focus on scarcity will create a life full of hardships. Those who embrace abundance end up finding more opportunities in life. They are the ones who will shape our world and live a life filled with happiness.

A growing number of people hate gold and silver coins for the System of Scarcity that they represent.

We the people, will more and more despise the systems of the doubting man, and after the Cleansing will fully embrace that system of believing man, that will rise as the primary principle, once the whole world embraces the purest object of belief, Jesus.

I believe in Jesus as a Standard, not in a Gold Standard.

God Bless,
Darren

[LoveIsTruth]

Fiat Money and a Gold Standard are examples of working together by Satan's plan for top-down control based upon the ideology of Scarcity.

There is nothing scares about fiat money. The amounts that can be conjured out of nothing are INFINITE, thus the possibility for legalized counterfeiting is infinite.

Hard money is like a lock on your door that prevents the government and the banksters from stealing your purchasing power via legalized and monopolized counterfeiting. FIAT unlimited "money" is the instrument of unlimited plunder. It is like a door without a lock in front of a robber, which plunder allows the top-down control that you speak of. And money that actually take an effort to make, protect against that robber, and the top down control via legalized plunder.

So you are confusing different notions, and arriving at results opposite of justice and truth.
It's like despising an inflexible ruler because it gives a consistent length measurement, because everyone knows it is better to be flexible than rigid and closed-minded, so let's make rulers out of rubber bands, so they may be more flexible.
So by confusing context you sound like an idiot condemning that which is good and just.

Supply of gold in the universe is potentially infinite. But it is the fact that it cannot be conjured out of nothing without effort that makes it valuable for protection against legalized plunder via legalized counterfeiting. So it acts like a lock on your door protecting your savings and allowing harmonious and voluntary division of labor in a complex economy of a Free Market.

If you believe in an abundance of correct thinking, with just about everybody always going right, by being connected to the Holy Ghost, as part the eternal company of self-governance, of everybody doing their part in society, working together by Jesus' plan for bottom-up self-control based upon the ideology of abundance. Zion's board of trade and other elected officials working on behalf of and by the consent of the self-governed, with bottom-up commitment (oaths, contracts) and stewardship engaging in the market place, to enrich and provide abundance as part of His work and glory, in all of our lives.

So you described heaven, but it is stupid in the extreme to assume that the world we live in is heaven.

Locks and hard money are wise and just inventions approved of God and his prophets whom you reject, in a world where not all men are angels.

It is STUPID and unwise to do without them in such a world. Hence the Church uses locks on the Temples, despite of your stupidity.

Maybe in heaven you do not need locks, but it is STUPID to reject them in this world. In fact it is wicked not to be a wise steward, the wickedness and stupidity that you are pushing for, against the words of Scripture and the prophets (whom you call politicized), because they are not dumb enough to listen to your lunacy.

A growing number of people hate gold and silver coins for the System of Scarcity that they represent.

Yes, and a growing number of people are dumb and stupid.

I believe in Jesus as a Standard, not in a Gold Standard.

There is zero contradiction between the two. It's like saying I believe in addition, not in multiplication, forgetting that one is derived from the other. It's just dumb!

[Darren]

Fiat money, and physical money, are based on the scarcity of "Correct Thinking" or the principle that government knows better than you. That way they get to make that fiat money scarce unto you.

It is not hard for government to utilize any substance in the earth to create the fiction of scarcity whether it be of paper or coin. You admit you cannot print government money in your garage. Do you have a gold mine in your garage? You remember what they did to my friend Bernard von NotHaus. Looks like you are out of luck in playing the scarcity game in competition with government, whether it be of paper or coin.

In the environment of Good Faith, meaning we have our minds fixated upon goodness, the contractual basis of the economy rests upon the abundance of the individual and his company, not money.

God Bless,
Darren

[LoveIsTruth]

Fiat money, and physical money, are based on the scarcity of "Correct Thinking" or the principle that government knows better than you.

Hard, 100% commodity money is independent of government, just like iPods or shoes. So you are wrong again by lumping unbacked fiat and commodity money together. It is like lumping together right and wrong, darkness and light, good and evil, and asserting that they are the same. You are a very confused man.

That way they get to make that fiat money scarce unto you.

If "money" can be conjured at a whim, they cannot serve as a stable medium of exchange, which medium is essential for separation of labor in a Free Market. And since THEY counterfeit it, they make it scarce to you, but not to themselves. To produce trillions, they just type 12 zeroes on a computer, and plunder the people via legalized counterfeiting. You are truly blind that you do not see the difference between honest and dishonest money.

The prophets of God see the difference and support honest commodity based money, but you are dumb enough to call them "politicized" for it. But truth speaks for itself.

It is not hard for government to utilize any substance in the earth to create the fiction of scarcity whether it be of paper or coin. You admit you cannot print government money in your garage. Do you have a gold mine in your garage? You remember what they did to my friend Bernard von NotHaus. Looks like you are out of luck in playing the scarcity game in competition with government, whether it be of paper or coin.

I play liberty "game," not scarcity. People must be free to transact in their own property as they please, be it gold, silver, grain, milk, or anything else. Justice demands this freedom, and you are dumb enough to be against Justice. When people are free, they will find a medium of exchange that is both honest and stable, because no one likes being plundered; and 100% commodity based money is always the free preference of a free market because it is the most stable and the most honest monetary system known to man.

In the environment of Good Faith, meaning we have our minds fixated upon goodness, the contractual basis of the economy rests upon the abundance of the individual and his company, not money.

And in heaven pigs can fly. What's your point?

Locks and hard money are the wisdom of God for the world where pigs do not fly, and not all men are angels. Get it?

In fact to deny the right of the people to transact in hard, honest money is WICKED and UNJUST. And you seem to want to forbid this freedom. That is wicked. Do you get that?

We've been over this. Do you understand English, friend?

[Darren]

What you seem to not understand is that Satan has power over all of the treasures of the earth except one, the intelligences of mankind, and with all of the rest of those treasures he thinks that he can buy up that last remaining treasure that he does not have control of.

I will take the treasures of the Earth, and with gold and silver I will buy up armies and navies, false priests who oppress, and tyrants who destroy, and rain with blood and horror on the Earth!

You do not have control over the gold and silver resources of the earth, but you do have control over your intelligence, and so does everybody else once they see the Lord in their purpose. Satan's job is to re-purpose the intelligences, to seek his work and his glory.

This independent resource, the will or the intelligence being, that Satan hopes to have control over, is the only resource that we have that can regain control of the world economy for the Lord's sake. And that is exactly what they had in the Scriptures of the lost tribes of Israel, an independent economy, exclusive from the power of Satan. Gold and silver coins cannot provide that service.

God Bless,
Darren

[LoveIsTruth]

You do not have control over the gold and silver resources of the earth, but you do have control over your intelligence, and so does everybody else once they see the Lord in their purpose.

You are missing the point. I should have control over MY property, and you should have control over yours, and so is everyone else, be that property gold, aluminium, silver, grain, milk or anything else.

Once this freedom exist the Free Market will find a medium of exchange to its liking. So even if gold were cornered and bought up by the banksters, once this freedom for the people exists, they will transact in silver or anything else they choose. And then gradually, even the gold will end up in the hands of the people who produce goods and services.

But it is the freedom that's the point here; the freedom that is currently denied by a plundering state (and by you ironically!). Denying this freedom is UNJUST, and therefore abominable before God. This freedom must exist according to the justice of God, which freedom you fight against.

This independent resource, the will or the intelligence being, that Satan hopes to have control over, is the only resource that we have that can regain control of the world economy for the Lord's sake.

Exactly. That resource is the freedom of intelligences to transact in their own property, including gold, silver, milk or anything else. It is called agency, or in other words Private Property (in its broadest definition). And you like Satan rebel against this agency. It is not good on you, friend.

Gold and silver coins cannot provide that service.

Gold and silver and milk are not the issue here. Freedom is. Get it?

JUSTICE and God demand this freedom, which you deny. Do you see my point?

[Darren]

The Germanic word "Free" comes to us as a concept of what we get when we join the family of the mother of the Son of God, through a commitment unto her Son.

The Germanic lost tribes of Israel had a Godhead, unlike the culture to their south, and when that teaching was reintroduced at the Council of Nicaea, they called it the Arian Heresy, Arianism. These White Arians who had destroyed the Roman Empire were no friends to the ancient Aristotle's Katholic Assembly, because when they destroyed the Roman Empire the emperor Diocletian had to come up with a plan to absorb Christianity into the Religion of Babylon, that they called the Catholic Assembly, with the concept of Orthodoxy - the system of top-down control by the "Correct Thinkers."

We say the names of the Germanic Godhead every time we count to three, Odin, Tue, and Thor, and when we say the days of the week, Odin's Dag, Tue's Dag, Thor's Dag. The other days of the week are Monden Dag (Authority Day), Zatter Dag (Laws Day), Son Dag and a day to remember the concept given to us by the Mother of the son of God, Frigg Dag.

Frigg or Free is the Mother of Odin, the Wife of Thor, and the Daughter of Tue, and she brings together all three Gods to give us the fullness of Godhood. All women after the order of Frigg are called to this day Frau, and all men who promise to focus their minds upon her Son, the requirement to become part of the Dominion of Frigg, Freedom, are called Freemen.

These are very old concepts that have recently been brought forward out of antiquity, having just survived the extermination and eradication order given by the head of the Catholic Assembly, the Apostate. Law and Freedom are the Religion of the lost tribes of Israel as found in the Scriptures of the lost tribes of Israel.

Gold and silver coins are of the Religion of Babylon's Katholic Assembly. A concept that gets cleaned up at the advent of The Cleansing, gateway to the Millennium.

If you don't know what true freedom is, it may be time to realize that you have been sold a bill of goods from Babylon's Katholic Assembly.

Time to think outside the Box.

God Bless,
Darren