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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby usaf916 » Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:16 pm

Mosby wrote:
Deaths from alcohol in the USA are easily in the tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands every year. Deaths from marijuana are...?


Only the Cheetos and twinkies are harmed :lol:


:lol: Hillarious :lol:
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Postby dconrad000 » Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:58 pm

dconrad000 wrote:Mosby has hit the nail squarely on the head, with respect to why hemp is illegal. It is all about power and money -- that both the government & Big Pharma stand to lose.

If you have not seen this, you really should.

Here is an honest & courageous man, that has put himself at risk to help thousands of people...and he doesn't charge them a dime. This is information that your government and Big Pharma does not want you to have.

Video: RUN FROM THE CURE - The Rick Simpson Story


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw


...and this...

Rick Simpson's CRUSH CANCER WITH HEMP AND TRUTH


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PwMmSxZANE


...this may be of interest, also...

How to Make Your Own Hemp Oil - Rick Simpson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcsHYl0QBkA


If you or a loved one has terminal cancer (or any number of other serious diseases), and you want to do this legally, you could fly out of the country -- say, as one of many possibilities -- to Dr Rima Laibow's retreat in Panama...stay for a few months...and do it there. But it is indeed a shame -- that in order to not break certain laws (that Big Pharma in collusion with the government (for their own dastardly reasons) have put firmly in place)...a shame indeed, that you should have to go to all that sort of trouble.



In addition to the above, hemp is probably one of the most valuable overall plants known to man. It grows like a weed -- almost anywhere. It makes better and stronger paper and building materials than that which comes from trees; it makes better and stronger fabric than that which comes from cotton; it could produce enough biodiesel to replace the entire petrochemical industry; it could replace a number of industries which pollute and are hard on the environment; it could do wonders for the economy...and the list goes on & on. It is a real shame, that a Secret Combination for their own evil designs, has taken this very valuable plant that George Washington used to grow -- away from the general population.

Here is a very interesting film on some of its many & varied uses:

The Hemp Revolution


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KYyYC5zaQI
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby Mosby » Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:44 pm

Dc- you are correct hemp is a very good crop- and very useful.


You know what medical marijuana is? It's marijuana regulated by the FDA. So . . . tell me how this makes one more free? If you're going to support legalization of any drug for "medical purposes", you need to go all the way and just let it be legal period. IMO


PJ, Dude - I don't support ANYTHING that the FDA has regulated or approved- period. IMO "FDA approval" means it is poison or will slowly kill me.

Outlawing pot IMO is like outlawing the tobacco plant...............it's all about $$$$$
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby AussieOi » Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:08 pm

pjbrownie wrote: I WOULD NEVER CALL FOR THE LEGALIZATION OF ANY VICE.



would you call for the criminalisation of Magnolia trees if people discovered that if they smoked the dried leaves it gave them a mellow experience?

Coffee beans likewise are known to give people a kick. heck. i know people who can't start the day without a coffee. as close to the meaning of "addiction" as i've ever seen

vice. interesting. so who makes the definition of the term "vice"?
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby Wiikwajio » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:55 am

AussieOi wrote:
pjbrownie wrote: I WOULD NEVER CALL FOR THE LEGALIZATION OF ANY VICE.



would you call for the criminalisation of Magnolia trees if people discovered that if they smoked the dried leaves it gave them a mellow experience?

Coffee beans likewise are known to give people a kick. heck. i know people who can't start the day without a coffee. as close to the meaning of "addiction" as i've ever seen

vice. interesting. so who makes the definition of the term "vice"?


Since no one else took it I will. I will declare what is and what is not a vice and I will start with Marijuana. I declare it is not a vice but a helpful herb that can help MS sufferers and mellow out people with too much stress. It is best used by smoking it.

I hereby declare that chocolate is a vice that changes the chemical make up in the brains of women and should be outlawed.http://whyfiles.org/033love/choco.html

It has become obvious that only the weak and foolish succumb to chocolate and should be punished by laws that make it a felon to eat it. 1 year per ounce sounds fair. I hereby decree it as Vice Czar.

If there are any other suggestion on what a vice is please submit your suggestions to Vice Czar Wiikwaji'o at this address.
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby dconrad000 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:29 pm

It should be noted that even in those few states where it is allowed for "medicinal purposes"...Big Pharma & the government have seen to it, that the way in which it is allowed to be used, does not work in any real significant way -- other than as a palliative measure: i.e. alleviating the nasuea that accompanies chemotherapy for the dying terminal cancer patient. On the other hand, if it is used in a manner as demonstrated below (which is not legal even in those states)...it can very often actually cure the terminal cancer and save the person's life. (It can also cure a variety of other very serious health problems, as evidenced below.)

If you or a loved one has cancer or some other serious condition, you really should watch the videos attached to the links below. You deserve to have this information that Big Pharma and your government does not want you to have.

As explained further down this page, there are ways of doing what is described legally -- but it would entail one leaving the country for a few months in order to keep the letter of the law of this country.

The man in the video has literally saved the lives of countless people that the medical establishment had given up on and sentenced to death...and he does not charge people a dime -- for showing them how to save themselves...in a manner for which there is no invlovement and no money, for Big Pharma.


dconrad000 wrote:
dconrad000 wrote:Mosby has hit the nail squarely on the head, with respect to why hemp is illegal. It is all about power and money -- that both the government & Big Pharma stand to lose.

If you have not seen this, you really should.

Here is an honest & courageous man, that has put himself at risk to help thousands of people...and he doesn't charge them a dime. This is information that your government and Big Pharma does not want you to have.

Video: RUN FROM THE CURE - The Rick Simpson Story


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw


...and this...

Rick Simpson's CRUSH CANCER WITH HEMP AND TRUTH


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PwMmSxZANE


...this may be of interest, also...

How to Make Your Own Hemp Oil - Rick Simpson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcsHYl0QBkA


If you or a loved one has terminal cancer (or any number of other serious diseases), and you want to do this legally, you could fly out of the country -- say, as one of many possibilities -- to Dr Rima Laibow's retreat in Panama...stay for a few months...and do it there. But it is indeed a shame -- that in order to not break certain laws (that Big Pharma in collusion with the government (for their own dastardly reasons) have put firmly in place)...a shame indeed, that you should have to go to all that sort of trouble.



In addition to the above, hemp is probably one of the most valuable overall plants known to man. It grows like a weed -- almost anywhere. It makes better and stronger paper and building materials than that which comes from trees; it makes better and stronger fabric than that which comes from cotton; it could produce enough biodiesel to replace the entire petrochemical industry; it could replace a number of industries which pollute and are hard on the environment; it could do wonders for the economy...and the list goes on & on. It is a real shame, that a Secret Combination for their own evil designs, has taken this very valuable plant that George Washington used to grow -- away from the general population.

Here is a very interesting film on some of its many & varied uses:

The Hemp Revolution


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KYyYC5zaQI
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby AussieOi » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:14 pm

dconrad000 wrote:It should be noted that even in those few states where it is allowed for "medicinal purposes"...Big Pharma & the government



I think many people would prefer to "obey the law" than seek to understand how gods creations might be of benefit to us

i mean heck, its even in the WofW, you know, I created these things for mans benefit.

Alas, we run with the criminal side of it instead, and deny ourselves of lifting ourselves to the higher place
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby leeuniverse » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:18 am

ALL drugs including Alcohol should only be for medical purposes (or clothing etc.).... Period, end of story.

That's what I think about legalizing pot. :(
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby AussieOi » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:12 pm

leeuniverse wrote:ALL drugs including Alcohol should only be for medical purposes (or clothing etc.).... Period, end of story.

That's what I think about legalizing pot. :(



Absolutely. I'm also all for expanding my moral calls as criminalisation on everyone else. Of course thats_after_I've chosen to love by our health code in the WofW.

Offf course, what about those who drank alcohol in the bible say. That first sacrament wasn't water you know. Come to think of it our D&C and Book of Mormon even references wine. hmm

And I recall reading what Joseph Smith and the others drank with their meal the night before they were Martyred.

But I'm sure they were all for medicinal purposes...right? But no one would claim their use of a "drug" as anything other than medicinal, or therapeutic

I see the humour in your non answer there brother. Now who makes the call on what is a drug and what constitutes medicinal. Exactly. So we're back to where we started.

Should we add caffeine to tha list of prescribed drugs as well?

What about Vitamins?

And wine, well, everyone knows it is full of anti-oxidants which are good for your health.
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby leeuniverse » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:25 pm

Actually, alcohol in those past days served just that, as medicinal in nature. Cleanliness wasn't what it needed to be in past times, thus alcohol served to help preserve life by killing organisms in the body.

Everything has a time and place guy.....

It's not about moral imperative, it's about what God has said we should do, and what is good for the body.
Plus, laws have always been based on moral imperitive..... And alcohol is a harsh chemical and drug, so trying to reduce my argument to simply "my" morals is a big stretch, especially trying to throw caffeine in there. :(
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby Wiikwajio » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:39 pm

leeuniverse wrote:Actually, alcohol in those past days served just that, as medicinal in nature. Cleanliness wasn't what it needed to be in past times, thus alcohol served to help preserve life by killing organisms in the body.

Everything has a time and place guy.....

It's not about moral imperative, it's about what God has said we should do, and what is good for the body.
Plus, laws have always been based on moral imperitive..... And alcohol is a harsh chemical and drug, so trying to reduce my argument to simply "my" morals is a big stretch, especially trying to throw caffeine in there. :(


And who is to make such choices as to what you can and cannot use? I choose not to consume alcohol but if anyone tried to take away my choice I would fight them. Same with caffeine that I use whenever I take my caffeine assisted aspirin (aspirin also being a drug by the way.

It is, indeed, all about moral imperatives. It is immoral to force your beliefs upon other unless their choice would harm you. If I smoke grass or take Excedrin or have a beer at home to relax, it does not harm you any more than your eating bacon, wearing perfume, or dressing immodestly, harms me.
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby Jason » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:42 pm

should legalize steroids too!!! You can overdose for years with minimal side effects (certainly not life or death) while overdosing on alcohol in one evening could kill you! ....or insulin for that matter which if you're off by just a few cc's could put you in hypoglycemic coma and kill you.
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby AussieOi » Sun May 02, 2010 6:56 am

leeuniverse wrote:Actually, alcohol in those past days served just that, as medicinal in nature. Cleanliness wasn't what it needed to be in past times, thus alcohol served to help preserve life by killing organisms in the body.

Everything has a time and place guy.....

It's not about moral imperative, it's about what God has said we should do, and what is good for the body.
Plus, laws have always been based on moral imperitive..... And alcohol is a harsh chemical and drug, so trying to reduce my argument to simply "my" morals is a big stretch, especially trying to throw caffeine in there. :(



Its about what god has said we should do
i just went and read D&C Word of Wisdom again

it says "not by way of commandment"

what am i to take of that?
could that explain why the early brethren were fine to drink wine

and truly, dont kid yourself. people didn't drink wine as a decontaminant. thats as pathetic as "we did polygamy cos there were 6 women to 1 man" sorry. try again
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby Wiikwajio » Sun May 02, 2010 2:48 pm

Jason wrote:should legalize steroids too!!! You can overdose for years with minimal side effects (certainly not life or death) while overdosing on alcohol in one evening could kill you! ....or insulin for that matter which if you're off by just a few cc's could put you in hypoglycemic coma and kill you.


The State of Deseret and Nevada and Utah were all established by white men stealing the land from the natives while ALL drugs were legal. They could make those choices all by themselves. Virginia City had a whole street dedicated to opium use.

But I guess that people these days are not intelligent enough to decide for themselves. Hummm People that need to have choices made for them. I think I rejected that plan before the world was.
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby Wiikwajio » Sun May 02, 2010 2:55 pm

AussieOi wrote:
leeuniverse wrote:Actually, alcohol in those past days served just that, as medicinal in nature. Cleanliness wasn't what it needed to be in past times, thus alcohol served to help preserve life by killing organisms in the body.

Everything has a time and place guy.....

It's not about moral imperative, it's about what God has said we should do, and what is good for the body.
Plus, laws have always been based on moral imperitive..... And alcohol is a harsh chemical and drug, so trying to reduce my argument to simply "my" morals is a big stretch, especially trying to throw caffeine in there. :(



Its about what god has said we should do
i just went and read D&C Word of Wisdom again

it says "not by way of commandment"

what am i to take of that?
could that explain why the early brethren were find to drink wine

and truly, dont kid yourself. people didn't drink wine as a decontaminant. thats as pathetic as "we did polygamy cos there were 6 women to 1 man" sorry. try again


Those men were not the NOW living Prophet. If you look at the history of the church leaders and follow their examples it could lead to apostasy. Please be careful. I highly recommend that you do not try to learn from history because if you do you may not repeat it and then you would screw up the whole "history repeats" maxim.

What is wrong with you Aussie? There are tender spirits here that could be led away into alcoholism and drug abuse or even worse, thinking for themselves if they were to research what you have stated and learned the truth.

Once again you are sowing the seeds of apostasy by telling the real history of the church leaders. Stop it now or I will have to come down there and put a shrimp on your barbee (or however you spell it.)

And then we could light us a joint and talk this over.

Come to think of it I will start saving up now if you are willing to supply the weed!
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby AussieOi » Mon May 03, 2010 8:51 pm

Wiikwajio wrote:
AussieOi wrote:
leeuniverse wrote:Actually, alcohol in those past days served just that, as medicinal in nature. Cleanliness wasn't what it needed to be in past times, thus alcohol served to help preserve life by killing organisms in the body.

Everything has a time and place guy.....

It's not about moral imperative, it's about what God has said we should do, and what is good for the body.
Plus, laws have always been based on moral imperitive..... And alcohol is a harsh chemical and drug, so trying to reduce my argument to simply "my" morals is a big stretch, especially trying to throw caffeine in there. :(



Its about what god has said we should do
i just went and read D&C Word of Wisdom again

it says "not by way of commandment"

what am i to take of that?
could that explain why the early brethren were find to drink wine

and truly, dont kid yourself. people didn't drink wine as a decontaminant. thats as pathetic as "we did polygamy cos there were 6 women to 1 man" sorry. try again


Those men were not the NOW living Prophet. If you look at the history of the church leaders and follow their examples it could lead to apostasy. Please be careful. I highly recommend that you do not try to learn from history because if you do you may not repeat it and then you would screw up the whole "history repeats" maxim.

What is wrong with you Aussie? There are tender spirits here that could be led away into alcoholism and drug abuse or even worse, thinking for themselves if they were to research what you have stated and learned the truth.

Once again you are sowing the seeds of apostasy by telling the real history of the church leaders. Stop it now or I will have to come down there and put a shrimp on your barbee (or however you spell it.)

And then we could light us a joint and talk this over.

Come to think of it I will start saving up now if you are willing to supply the weed!



your comment re when we started pushing the "prophet" thing was interesting, in the 50s.
i also love it how Americans love middle inittials. more dignified dont you think?
you should have a middle initial. oh, hang on, you DID (LOL) H

yes, i had to decide for myself on thebackground to 132. such is life. i tell my wife she probably doesnt have anything to worry about inheaven

oh, your not suggesting some of those women were_already_married now are you?
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby John Locke » Tue May 04, 2010 3:09 pm

John Locke thinks that the advice in this article http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/38531/Battling-drug-abuse.html has more weight than your justifications. John Locke will stand with the prophets...both modern and ancient who have condemed stupidity.
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby SmallFarm » Tue May 04, 2010 4:12 pm

John Locke wrote:John Locke thinks that the advice in this article http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/38531/Battling-drug-abuse.html has more weight than your justifications. John Locke will stand with the prophets...both modern and ancient who have condemed stupidity.


What does thisd have to do with hemp, a non-drug?
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby John Locke » Tue May 04, 2010 4:36 pm

SmallFarm wrote:
John Locke wrote:John Locke thinks that the advice in this article http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/38531/Battling-drug-abuse.html has more weight than your justifications. John Locke will stand with the prophets...both modern and ancient who have condemed stupidity.


What does thisd have to do with hemp, a non-drug?



John Locke wonders why you are asking this question in a forum titled "CA voter initiative on Pot (aka marijuana), what say ye?"
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby SmallFarm » Tue May 04, 2010 5:01 pm

Because in order to legalize the growing of hemp (without regulation), you would need to legalize all cannibus
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby Rensai » Wed May 05, 2010 6:26 pm

SmallFarm wrote:Because in order to legalize the growing of hemp (without regulation), you would need to legalize all cannibus

It's funny how a few decades changes everyone's perspectives so much. I don't know about legalizing pot, but I'd love to see hemp legalized again. These are not the same issue though. Hemp, does not contain enough THC to make marijuana and in the past we've had legalized hemp at the same time as illegal marijuana. http://www.naihc.org/hemp_information/c ... mp.mj.html

In any case, I'd like to be a patriot and grow some hemp :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCFR9MJJyOE
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby pritchet1 » Wed May 05, 2010 8:06 pm

Hemp yes, Pot no.
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby SmallFarm » Wed May 05, 2010 8:12 pm

pritchet1 wrote:Hemp yes, Pot no.

Okay but how do you enforce it?
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby dconrad000 » Wed May 05, 2010 9:28 pm

...actually the high THC variety of Hemp is the most useful. Big Pharma is so afraid of public knowledge of its several uses that displaces them (it works "too well" on a number of serious health conditions) -- that they have played a major role in seeing to it that all hemp has been outlawed...as is evidenced in the documention which follows, below:

dconrad000 wrote:It should be noted that even in those few states where it is allowed for "medicinal purposes"...Big Pharma & the government have seen to it, that the way in which it is allowed to be used, does not work in any real significant way -- other than as a palliative measure: i.e. alleviating the nasuea that accompanies chemotherapy for the dying terminal cancer patient. On the other hand, if it is used in a manner as demonstrated below (which is not legal even in those states)...it can very often actually cure the terminal cancer and save the person's life. (It can also cure a variety of other very serious health problems, as evidenced below.)

If you or a loved one has cancer or some other serious condition, you really should watch the videos attached to the links below. You deserve to have this information that Big Pharma and your government does not want you to have.

As explained further down this page, there are ways of doing what is described legally -- but it would entail one leaving the country for a few months in order to keep the letter of the law of this country.

The man in the video has literally saved the lives of countless people that the medical establishment had given up on and sentenced to death...and he does not charge people a dime -- for showing them how to save themselves...in a manner for which there is no involvement and no money, for Big Pharma.


dconrad000 wrote:
dconrad000 wrote:Mosby has hit the nail squarely on the head, with respect to why hemp is illegal. It is all about power and money -- that both the government & Big Pharma stand to lose.

If you have not seen this, you really should.

Here is an honest & courageous man, that has put himself at risk to help thousands of people...and he doesn't charge them a dime. This is information that your government and Big Pharma does not want you to have.

Video: RUN FROM THE CURE - The Rick Simpson Story


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw


...and this...

Rick Simpson's CRUSH CANCER WITH HEMP AND TRUTH


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PwMmSxZANE


...this may be of interest, also...

How to Make Your Own Hemp Oil - Rick Simpson

http://www.youtube.com/user/paulagloria ... csHYl0QBkA


If you or a loved one has terminal cancer (or any number of other serious diseases), and you want to do this legally, you could fly out of the country -- say, as one of many possibilities -- to Dr Rima Laibow's retreat in Panama...stay for a few months...and do it there. But it is indeed a shame -- that in order to not break certain laws (that Big Pharma in collusion with the government (for their own dastardly reasons) have put firmly in place)...a shame indeed, that you should have to go to all that sort of trouble.



In addition to the above, hemp is probably one of the most valuable overall plants known to man. It grows like a weed -- almost anywhere. It makes better and stronger paper and building materials than that which comes from trees; it makes better and stronger fabric than that which comes from cotton; it could produce enough biodiesel to replace the entire petrochemical industry; it could replace a number of industries which pollute and are hard on the environment; it could do wonders for the economy...and the list goes on & on. It is a real shame, that a Secret Combination for their own evil designs, has taken this very valuable plant that George Washington used to grow -- away from the general population.

Here is a very interesting film on some of its many & varied uses:

The Hemp Revolution


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KYyYC5zaQI


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...just found this today (1-23-11)...very interesting more recent (11-19-09) interview of Rick Simpson...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikjpNVehg30
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby Wiikwajio » Tue May 11, 2010 1:23 am

[quote="dconrad000"]...actually the high THC variety of Hemp is the most useful. Big Pharma is so afraid of public knowledge of its several uses that displaces them (it works "too well" on a number of serious health conditions) -- that they have played a major role in seeing to it that all hemp has been outlawed...as is evidenced in the documention which follows, below:

The #1 health problem today is Soda and they sell it in the temples.

Pot is the best drug for MS to relieve the pain without any harmful side effects.

Pot is legal in Nevada when used for MS and cancer and many other medical problems.

I am VERY thankful it is legal in Nevada even though I do not use it and have never tried it.

In Nevada we had legal opium dens in Virginia City and yet the mines got dug and people had farms and lived there lives.

Drug laws are a not just a joke. They are a means to steal property from people by a very corrupt government. I believe we should legalize all drugs and let the buyer beware.
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby dconrad000 » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:27 pm

...actually the high THC variety of Hemp is the most useful. Big Pharma is so afraid of public knowledge of its several uses that displaces them (it works "too well" on a number of serious health conditions) -- that they have played a major role in seeing to it that all hemp has been outlawed...as is evidenced in the documention which follows, below:

dconrad000 wrote:It should be noted that even in those few states where it is allowed for "medicinal purposes"...Big Pharma & the government have seen to it, that the way in which it is allowed to be used, does not work in any real significant way -- other than as a palliative measure: i.e. alleviating the nasuea that accompanies chemotherapy for the dying terminal cancer patient. On the other hand, if it is used in a manner as demonstrated below (which is not legal even in those states)...it can very often actually cure the terminal cancer and save the person's life. (It can also cure a variety of other very serious health problems, as evidenced below.)

If you or a loved one has cancer or some other serious condition, you really should watch the videos attached to the links below. You deserve to have this information that Big Pharma and your government does not want you to have.

As explained further down this page, there are ways of doing what is described legally -- but it would entail one leaving the country for a few months in order to keep the letter of the law of this country.

The man in the video has literally saved the lives of countless people that the medical establishment had given up on and sentenced to death...and he does not charge people a dime -- for showing them how to save themselves...in a manner for which there is no involvement and no money, for Big Pharma.


dconrad000 wrote:
dconrad000 wrote:Mosby has hit the nail squarely on the head, with respect to why hemp is illegal. It is all about power and money -- that both the government & Big Pharma stand to lose.

If you have not seen this, you really should.

Here is an honest & courageous man, that has put himself at risk to help thousands of people...and he doesn't charge them a dime. This is information that your government and Big Pharma does not want you to have.

Video: RUN FROM THE CURE - The Rick Simpson Story


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw


...and this...

Rick Simpson's CRUSH CANCER WITH HEMP AND TRUTH


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PwMmSxZANE


...this may be of interest, also...

How to Make Your Own Hemp Oil - Rick Simpson

http://www.youtube.com/user/paulagloria ... csHYl0QBkA


If you or a loved one has terminal cancer (or any number of other serious diseases), and you want to do this legally, you could fly out of the country -- say, as one of many possibilities -- to Dr Rima Laibow's retreat in Panama...stay for a few months...and do it there. But it is indeed a shame -- that in order to not break certain laws (that Big Pharma in collusion with the government (for their own dastardly reasons) have put firmly in place)...a shame indeed, that you should have to go to all that sort of trouble.



In addition to the above, hemp is probably one of the most valuable overall plants known to man. It grows like a weed -- almost anywhere. It makes better and stronger paper and building materials than that which comes from trees; it makes better and stronger fabric than that which comes from cotton; it could produce enough biodiesel to replace the entire petrochemical industry; it could replace a number of industries which pollute and are hard on the environment; it could do wonders for the economy...and the list goes on & on. It is a real shame, that a Secret Combination for their own evil designs, has taken this very valuable plant that George Washington used to grow -- away from the general population.

Here is a very interesting film on some of its many & varied uses:

The Hemp Revolution


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KYyYC5zaQI


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...just found this today (1-23-11)...very interesting more recent (11-19-09) interview of Rick Simpson...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikjpNVehg30
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby dconrad000 » Tue May 31, 2011 10:27 pm

...bump...
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby Galticus » Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:42 am

This is libertarian crusade I don't subscribe to. I'm all about deregulation and reduction in the amount of silly laws. I've been in Holland where various drugs are legal and seen first hand the unspoken and unreported crimes and sorrow it causes. The reality of all arguments is this - it hurts society when drugs are used. Legalization does not reduce the crime, it legalizes it so no one has to deal with it. Granted, when CA releases the 46,000 prisoners this coming year, I hope it is the dope heads and not the pediphiles or rapists. There are obviously different levels of violence with each crime.

I know the main argument here is for Hemp. If one can't be legalized without the abuse of the other, it's better to leave it alone.
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby SmallFarm » Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:51 am

The war on drugs is a racket (like all modern war).
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Re: CA voter initiative on Pot, What say ye?

Postby mes5464 » Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:57 am

After reading/watching Ezra T. Benson's talk, "The Proper Role of Government" I have had to conclude that the government has no authority to stop a person from USING drugs. I do believe that the government has the authority to FORBID someone from selling (making a prophet) from drugs. So, I have decided that I can support laws that prohibit the production of drugs for sell, but a person can freely produce and use drugs if they so choose.

I welcome opinions/analysis of my conclusions.
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