LoveIsTruth wrote:1) You think that if the law is wicked, it is my fault that I didn't learn it. Wicked means NULL and VOID. Here's some law for you.
Lawful wrote:Never said that and contract law is dependent on YOUR actions, not the actions of others, so, yes, son, it IS your fault. Or are we to held accountable for others transgressions?
I am not sure we are talking English here. I said if the law is WICKED and UNJUST, it is NULL and VOID, and no law at all. Learn that much.
Example: You can say, “We gonna have a new law tomorrow! Everyone must give me $1,000 dollars on demand. Is this law JUST? NO! Therefore it is NULL and VOID.
LoveIsTruth wrote:2) You think that by paying your property taxes once with "lawful money" they will not force you to pay again. Wrong. Think again.
Lawful wrote:Argument from ignorance, again. Just because YOU have not done it does not mean I have not.
So when they send you property tax bill you tell them to take a hike because you already paid them in “lawful money,” and they leave you alone? How many years in a row? Did they conceded your point. Did they agree with you? Or are they going to take your house if you don’t pay for a few more years?
Lawful wrote:They have never altered the "shall be redeemed on demand" part. Which is the actual action part of the Statute.
Yes they have. It used to say “shall be redeemed on demand IN GOLD.” They have taken that out. The next thing they are going to do is say, “You owe us income tax regardless ‘lawful money,’ and they will list your argument in the ‘frivolous’ section. They will do it if enough people escape taxation by this means. They will do it because you are right and they have no logical argument against you. They will, eventually say, “It is frivolous.” Of course the only thing that is truly “frivolous” is them and their lies!
Lawful wrote:I do not know the future, but neither do you, so again, argument from ignorance. FAIL.The fact remains, it is valid RIGHT NOW.
But for how long. I venture to say, until enough people use it. Then they will say “It is frivolous.” They rarely let the law stand in the way of their plunder. This will not be an exception, unless people change or nullify the wicked law.
LoveIsTruth wrote:Will you deny that the law they established is wicked, immoral, corrupt and unjust?
Lawful wrote:No, but that is EXACTLY why I, unlike YOU, do not ENDORSE IT.
What will you do when they CHANGE the law again, and close the loophole? Cry? Or are you going to change the WICKED and UNJUST law? Again, an UNJUST law, is no law at all. It is a FRAUD and a CRIME.
LoveIsTruth wrote:Will you deny that the wicked have broken their own rules numerous times?
Lawful wrote:Not my place to judge others, I leave that to the LORD.
Do you not then see the need to remove them from power by educating your neighbor about the fraud, and demanding a change at the ballot box, and via nullification?
LoveIsTruth wrote:Will you deny that 12-USC-411 is NOT a sound and fundamental definition of Liberty?
Lawful wrote:Actually, 12-USC 411 is a wonderfully written ACT, since it spells out the REMEDY to it in no uncertain terms.
But it does NOT define what Liberty is. How can you defend something that you cannot define?
Lawful wrote:Okay, since you cannot read, here it is again: YOUR PRINCIPLES OF LIBERTY FAIL TO EVEN POINT OUT LAWFUL MONEY REDEMPTION PER 12-USC 411, THEREFORE, THEY ARE INCOMPLETE AND WRONG. YOU CANNOT OWN PROPERTY WITHOUT LAWFUL MONEY REDEMPTION. YOU ARE CANNOT PAY ANY DEBT WITHOUT LAWFUL MONEY, THEREFORE, YOU CAN NOT HAVE LIBERTY, SINCE THERE IS NO FREEDOM IN DEBT. Is that clear enough for ya?
That is actually quite stupid. “Lawful Money Redemption” is an artificial and fraudulent construct of the banksters, and has little to do with definition of Liberty. Try again. It is not the job of FUNDAMENTAL principles to spell out an arbitrary law (i.e. 12-USC-411) created by criminals. I am talking of Fundamental logical principles, not a specific wicked law. “Clear enough for ya?”
Lawful wrote:Debt=slavery. No concept of liberty applies if you are in debt. There is no liberty
without lawful money, in any run, short or long.
True, but the debt is FRAUDULENT. Unknowing consent is no consent at all!
LoveIsTruth wrote:Will you deny that the bankster will change 12-USC-411 if it prevents their plunder?
Lawful wrote:Again, they have not done it since 1933, and you do not know the future, so stop going on about it. IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET, THE REMEDY IS STILL IN EFFECT, get over it already.
If it is in effect, then use it. But do not pretend that it is a substitute for establishing JUST laws and abolishing UNJUST laws, neither it is substitute for understanding of what Liberty is, because without these, that remedy WILL be removed.
LoveIsTruth wrote:What will you do then? Restore 12-USC-411 together with all the corrupt and deceptive tricks, or will you look at the foundation of the building and establish JUSTICE and righteousness their? What are the principles will you put into such foundation? More bankster tricks?
Lawful wrote:blah blah blah
This ‘blah blah blah’ is the very point you are missing and unwilling to see. And this is your mistake.
Lawful wrote:Provide your Proof I am wrong. The law is on their BOOKS RIGHT NOW in effect and being used by many daily. I am redeeming lawful money right now and have been for nearly 4 years.
The IRS has been stopped dead in its tracks by lawful money many times.
Good luck. I think they just give you enough rope to hang yourself, and then they will come after you with interest and penalties. That is their standard operating procedure. They WILL NOT obey their own laws. Just watch. The only real long terms solution is to ABOLISH the IRS and ALL taxation, because ALL taxation is THEFT.
Plain and simple.
Lawful wrote:You are preaching liberty but you are still a debt slave to them, but you expect me to ignore 200+ years of lawful money redemption history, contract law and even basic principles of ETERNAL LAW because YOU say the "bankers will change the law" (which you do not know and in fact, cannot know).
Good luck with your “lawful money redemption.” Enjoy it while it lasts. If it works, more power to you.
Your blind reliance on their WICKED law bring you dangerously close to turning “Lawful” into “Law fool.”