Liberty

[Ezra]

Prohibition was not about alcohol. It was a bill pushed into place by Rockefeller to gain a monopoly on gasoline. Look it up.

Once that object was gained prohibition went away. At the time many people and farmers made there own fuel out of the crops they produced. Once the vehicles were all tuned to gasoline and the alcohol stills were gone for the most part and the only easy fuel option was gasoline or deisel. Which the Rockefellers controlled.

Too this day it's you have to jump through government hoops to produce your own Alcohol.

[Teancum]

Prohibition was not about alcohol. It was a bill pushed into place by Rockefeller to gain a monopoly on gasoline. Look it up.

Once that object was gained prohibition went away. At the time many people and farmers made there own fuel out of the crops they produced. Once the vehicles were all tuned to gasoline and the alcohol stills were gone for the most part and the only easy fuel option was gasoline or deisel. Which the Rockefellers controlled.

Too this day it's you have to jump through government hoops to produce your own Alcohol.

If any are interested, here is an alternative to alcohol. It can use any hydrocarbon from waste motor oil to wood chips to recycled plastics - as long as it is a hydrocarbon.

Please see Energeticforum.com:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... eaply.html

[davedan]

It is the jurisdiction of government to prosecute and rehabilitate those who cause harm to others such as distributing recreational drugs. Distrubution causes harm to the buyer. The recreational intent is directly connected to the form in which the substance is being sold. Abusing ourselves with psychoactive chemicals (natural or synthetic) exploits our natural brain-reward systems. Chemical abuse and causal sexual immorality contributes to greater poverty via decreased productivity (idle poor) and illegitimacy (broken families). Yes, recreational drinking beverage alcohol should not be illegal, but distribution should be.

Religion has the jurisdiction to discipline those who cause harm to themselves. The jurisdiction of the Church is welfare and virtue (James 1:27). Government can tax and then write and distribute checks but they cannot inspire personal virtue at the root cause of poverty like religion can. Only religion can discipline, rehabilitate, and inspire personal virtue. Only religion can end poverty and realize greater social justice.

Greater private immorality leads to increasing public poverty and greater social injustice. In the setting of social inequality, corrupt and opportunistic individuals swoop in to seize government power promising greater social equality in exchange for our freedom. In reality, government welfare enables and exploits the poor until there is an absolute consolidation of power and all our freedoms and liberties have been wrested away.


Government: prosecutes those who cause harm to others
Religion: disciplines those who cause harm to themselves

Taking psychoactive chemicals exploits the natural brain-reward system that is ment to reward productive behavior. How productive are you going to be if you can simulate a "high" while sitting on the couch. Eating is productive, reproducing is productive, exercizing is productive, achieving a goal is productive. Taking psychoactive chemicals is cheating yourself. Masterbation, pornography, casual sex is cheating yourself. You didn't really earn the reward. If you say you are just rewarding yourself after a hard day work, because your job in and of itself is not rewarding, you need to get a new job that is rewarding.

Abusing yourself should not be illegal, but distributing products that are intented to be used for people to abuse themselves should be illegal (ie drugs, alcohol, prostitution, pornography, etc.)


Without rules, we would only know to do whatever our stomach said to do. There would be no choice, but only to react to appetites and fear. Rules, give us a choice. My stomach says to do this, but I choose to do the other. We would have no idea to act contrary to our appetities and fears if the commandments were not revealed to us by God. Since, not everyone can get whatever they want. Then the alpha human would control other the others through a system of fear, control, bribes, and manipulation (pyramid system). God's system operates out of love. Satan's system is fear-based.

[Ezra]

Prohibition was not about alcohol. It was a bill pushed into place by Rockefeller to gain a monopoly on gasoline. Look it up.

Once that object was gained prohibition went away. At the time many people and farmers made there own fuel out of the crops they produced. Once the vehicles were all tuned to gasoline and the alcohol stills were gone for the most part and the only easy fuel option was gasoline or deisel. Which the Rockefellers controlled.

Too this day it's you have to jump through government hoops to produce your own Alcohol.

If any are interested, here is an alternative to alcohol. It can use any hydrocarbon from waste motor oil to wood chips to recycled plastics - as long as it is a hydrocarbon.

Please see Energeticforum.com:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... eaply.html

Used motor oil works great for deisel by itself. Same with used transmission fluid

[Jason]

Prohibition was not about alcohol. It was a bill pushed into place by Rockefeller to gain a monopoly on gasoline. Look it up.

Once that object was gained prohibition went away. At the time many people and farmers made there own fuel out of the crops they produced. Once the vehicles were all tuned to gasoline and the alcohol stills were gone for the most part and the only easy fuel option was gasoline or deisel. Which the Rockefellers controlled.

Too this day it's you have to jump through government hoops to produce your own Alcohol.

You talk about the control by private money then blame government.

I'll stick with the prophets on prohibition.

[Separatist]

Abusing yourself should not be illegal, but distributing products that are intented to be used for people to abuse themselves should be illegal (ie drugs, alcohol, prostitution, pornography, etc.)

What about distributors of soda pop?

[davedan]

Ezra wrote:
Prohibition was not about alcohol. It was a bill pushed into place by Rockefeller to gain a monopoly on gasoline. Look it up.

FYI, Prohibition (18th Amendment) only prohibited the production, distribution and sale of "beverage alcohol". This is no way would affect fuel alcohol.

Although, using alcohol as fuel is a terrible idea. 1. Aalcohol destroys engines 2. wasteful and inefficient to turn corn into fuel ethanol. 3. Ethanol only has .667 the energy density of gasoline.

[davedan]

Abusing yourself should not be illegal, but distributing products that are intented to be used for people to abuse themselves should be illegal (ie drugs, alcohol, prostitution, pornography, etc.)

What about distributors of soda pop?

Eating is a productive behavior. (even sugar). Your body runs on sugar, BTW.

But if you can prove harm, then you have a case. I'd be more concerned with the ACEK and Sodium Benzoate additives.

[Separatist]

The man whose public spirit is prompted altogether by humanity and benevolence, will respect the established powers and privileges even of individuals, and still more those of the great orders and societies, into which the state is divided. Though he should consider some of them as in some measure abusive, he will content himself with moderating, what he often cannot annihilate without great violence. When he cannot conquer the rooted prejudices of the people by reason and persuasion, he will not attempt to subdue them by force; but will religiously observe what, by Cicero, is justly called the divine maxim of Plato, never to use violence to his country no more than to his parents. He will accommodate, as well as he can, his public arrangements to the confirmed habits and prejudices of the people; and will remedy as well as he can, the inconveniencies which may flow from the want of those regulations which the people are averse to submit to. When he cannot establish the right, he will not disdain to ameliorate the wrong; but like Solon, when he cannot establish the best system of laws, he will endeavour to establish the best that the people can bear.

The man of system, on the contrary, is apt to be very wise in his own conceit; and is often so enamoured with the supposed beauty of his own ideal plan of government, that he cannot suffer the smallest deviation from any part of it. He goes on to establish it completely and in all its parts, without any regard either to the great interests, or to the strong prejudices which may oppose it. He seems to imagine that he can arrange the different members of a great society with as much ease as the hand arranges the different pieces upon a chess-board. He does not consider that the pieces upon the chess-board have no other principle of motion besides that which the hand impresses upon them; but that, in the great chess-board of human society, every single piece has a principle of motion of its own, altogether different from that which the legislature might chuse to impress upon it. If those two principles coincide and act in the same direction, the game of human society will go on easily and harmoniously, and is very likely to be happy and successful. If they are opposite or different, the game will go on miserably, and the society must be at all times in the highest degree of disorder. - Adam Smith, Theory of Moral Sentiments

[Ezra]

Prohibition was not about alcohol. It was a bill pushed into place by Rockefeller to gain a monopoly on gasoline. Look it up.

Once that object was gained prohibition went away. At the time many people and farmers made there own fuel out of the crops they produced. Once the vehicles were all tuned to gasoline and the alcohol stills were gone for the most part and the only easy fuel option was gasoline or deisel. Which the Rockefellers controlled.

Too this day it's you have to jump through government hoops to produce your own Alcohol.

You talk about the control by private money then blame government.

I'll stick with the prophets on prohibition.

Funny you can't put 1 and 1 together to make 2.

Not a difficult thing.


Rockefellers work hand in hand with there "private money" as you call it. Which was created by corruption of government. Or there own. Continued to be held by more corruption of both.
Through more bribes and corruption creates more money to corrupt with. They are part of the secret combinations. They are not separate. They are the same.
Government can be good if the people in it are. We have a corrupt government controlled by the secret combinations. So it's one and the same tell its purged as we have been commanded to do in the parable in d&c 101.

You seem to keep placing blame on private money as a evil thing. Money is money. Evil is evil. Money like government is a tool for either.
The evil side as you should know. Around 3000 some odd people own 97% of the worlds capital. It's why they have control over almost everything and why they have molded their tool "government and money" to be as large as it is.
It's why they needed the federal reserve. To have the power to make their money without checks and balances. To then control the governments of the world.

Still like the size of the tool they have?

Gold and silver as a standard in the constitution was God inspired for a major reason.

[Ezra]

Ezra wrote:
Prohibition was not about alcohol. It was a bill pushed into place by Rockefeller to gain a monopoly on gasoline. Look it up.

FYI, Prohibition (18th Amendment) only prohibited the production, distribution and sale of "beverage alcohol". This is no way would affect fuel alcohol.

Although, using alcohol as fuel is a terrible idea. 1. Aalcohol destroys engines 2. wasteful and inefficient to turn corn into fuel ethanol. 3. Ethanol only has .667 the energy density of gasoline.

Dig a little deeper.
And I agree that ancho is not the best. Neither is gasoline

[Jason]

Prohibition was not about alcohol. It was a bill pushed into place by Rockefeller to gain a monopoly on gasoline. Look it up.

Once that object was gained prohibition went away. At the time many people and farmers made there own fuel out of the crops they produced. Once the vehicles were all tuned to gasoline and the alcohol stills were gone for the most part and the only easy fuel option was gasoline or deisel. Which the Rockefellers controlled.

Too this day it's you have to jump through government hoops to produce your own Alcohol.

You talk about the control by private money then blame government.

I'll stick with the prophets on prohibition.

Funny you can't put 1 and 1 together to make 2.

Not a difficult thing.


Rockefellers work hand in hand with there "private money" as you call it. Which was created by corruption of government. Or there own. Continued to be held by more corruption of both.
Through more bribes and corruption creates more money to corrupt with. They are part of the secret combinations. They are not separate. They are the same.
Government can be good if the people in it are. We have a corrupt government controlled by the secret combinations. So it's one and the same tell its purged as we have been commanded to do in the parable in d&c 101.

You seem to keep placing blame on private money as a evil thing. Money is money. Evil is evil. Money like government is a tool for either.
The evil side as you should know. Around 3000 some odd people own 97% of the worlds capital. It's why they have control over almost everything and why they have molded their tool "government and money" to be as large as it is.
It's why they needed the federal reserve. To have the power to make their money without checks and balances. To then control the governments of the world.

Still like the size of the tool they have?

Gold and silver as a standard in the constitution was God inspired for a major reason.

Agree to disagree. I do agree money is just a tool...the same as government. Where we disagree (through my lens) is the cause. My belief is that the cause of problems begins with wicked individuals who use money to co-opt government. As the adversary said...use gold and silver to buy up armies, navies, false priests, tyrants who reign with blood and horror. Is the gold and silver bad? Nope...just a tool. The source guy is the problem. The institution of government (small, medium, or big) is nor more the source of the problem then gold and silver.

[Ezra]

Prohibition was not about alcohol. It was a bill pushed into place by Rockefeller to gain a monopoly on gasoline. Look it up.

Once that object was gained prohibition went away. At the time many people and farmers made there own fuel out of the crops they produced. Once the vehicles were all tuned to gasoline and the alcohol stills were gone for the most part and the only easy fuel option was gasoline or deisel. Which the Rockefellers controlled.

Too this day it's you have to jump through government hoops to produce your own Alcohol.

You talk about the control by private money then blame government.

I'll stick with the prophets on prohibition.

Funny you can't put 1 and 1 together to make 2.

Not a difficult thing.


Rockefellers work hand in hand with there "private money" as you call it. Which was created by corruption of government. Or there own. Continued to be held by more corruption of both.
Through more bribes and corruption creates more money to corrupt with. They are part of the secret combinations. They are not separate. They are the same.
Government can be good if the people in it are. We have a corrupt government controlled by the secret combinations. So it's one and the same tell its purged as we have been commanded to do in the parable in d&c 101.

You seem to keep placing blame on private money as a evil thing. Money is money. Evil is evil. Money like government is a tool for either.
The evil side as you should know. Around 3000 some odd people own 97% of the worlds capital. It's why they have control over almost everything and why they have molded their tool "government and money" to be as large as it is.
It's why they needed the federal reserve. To have the power to make their money without checks and balances. To then control the governments of the world.

Still like the size of the tool they have?

Gold and silver as a standard in the constitution was God inspired for a major reason.

Agree to disagree. I do agree money is just a tool...the same as government. Where we disagree (through my lens) is the cause. My belief is that the cause of problems begins with wicked individuals who use money to co-opt government. As the adversary said...use gold and silver to buy up armies, navies, false priests, tyrants who reign with blood and horror. Is the gold and silver bad? Nope...just a tool. The source guy is the problem. The institution of government (small, medium, or big) is nor more the source of the problem then gold and silver.

What's the difference and duty of a small vs large government??

I feel the difference was explained well when the lord said he that has to be commanded in all things has no reward and that we must be antioustly Engadged in a good cause.

Large government = more control more laws more rules more commandments and more power to force its will on others. Which = less reward for doing things on your own without the prompting by government or force.

Force is Satans way. And so is big government. To force its will on as many as it can.

Gods way is patients and long suffering. Meekness and humility. All are attributes of a small or almost no government. One that is there to serve not force.

Do you see what I'm saying?

[Jason]

Not really.

Fewer people = smaller government
More people = more government

Use size of church organization for an example.

Don't see difference in duty via size of government.

Then there is the wicked people aspect (every man a law unto himself) which requires more government and force...until it breaks (majority choose wickedness and lose ability to work together for the common good) which causes destruction of government or installation of harsh taskmasters in order to hold it all together (rule by fear).

Insert Ben Franklin quote - wicked people require more masters.

So can we fix things simply by shrinking the size of government? I don't believe so.

Can we fix things by removing government? That would be disaster.

I wholeheartedly agree with your concern over present government! That said I can see how it got to be what it is.

My analysis of the government though is it is a people problem and not organization structure problem.

The only real solution I know of is massive repentance! Then the needed changes to government will take place.

[Ezra]

Not really.

Fewer people = smaller government
More people = more government

Use size of church organization for an example.

Don't see difference in duty via size of government.

Then there is the wicked people aspect (every man a law unto himself) which requires more government and force...until it breaks (majority choose wickedness and lose ability to work together for the common good) which causes destruction of government or installation of harsh taskmasters in order to hold it all together (rule by fear).

Insert Ben Franklin quote - wicked people require more masters.

So can we fix things simply by shrinking the size of government? I don't believe so.

Can we fix things by removing government? That would be disaster.

I wholeheartedly agree with your concern over present government! That said I can see how it got to be what it is.

My analysis of the government though is it is a people problem and not organization structure problem.

The only real solution I know of is massive repentance! Then the needed changes to government will take place.

I agree with my great grandpa. Yet you miss understand him. "Wicked people " require more masters. In other words the more wicked the people more masters they will create for themselfs.

More masters is a sign of disfunction not function.

I require no masters .

In the church in each ward the number of leadership stays the same Over each ward the same number to govern the bishops and the same number to govern the stake presidents and so on.
I can take 3 steps to get to the quorum of the 12. Bishop ,stake pres,70,12

And none of them are masters.

With whip and chains and punishment the government is though. Taxation and prisons. So many laws that every person every day breaks enough laws to be put in jail.

You can keep your masters.

I will continue to seperate myself from them.

The only government I want is the smallest possible to ensure that others who trample on my god given rights are required to make amends for those transgressions. <------( does not happen with our government)Or that I'm not punished for protecting those rights myself.

Evil people tend to want more control over others and less over themselfs. As in less responsible for there own actions. Where righteous people want less control over others more over themselfs. As in being responsible for themselfs.

I'm the latter.

[Jason]

I wholeheartedly agree with you with regard to disfunction which is result of wickedness. I don't think for the most part people voluntarily create it...but it's a natural response in attempting to maintain law and order in a society that's degenerating into unwillingness to maintain law and order. Also have apathy, secret combinations for power and money, etc etc etc in the mix. At all levels from local to global.

I mostly agree with you on the church side (which is mostly righteous organization) but my intent with that as an example...is that body of leadership grows with the growth in people. Our ward split last spring thus causing a doubling of every leadership position in the original ward. So if you take into account the "government" of the people...increase in people...increase in government. The chain of command remains fairly flat...but the church today is substantially different than it was 60 to 80 years ago due to growth in membership and world wide diversity of members.

For example I tried to get a meeting with Elder Packer several years back at the encouragement of a couple stake presidents who were friends of mine. I never got past my stake president who did reach out to a member of the 70 on it but was told no over the phone and without having ever met with me. I never got past security for a direct visit on temple square. At the end of the day I was encouraged to basically stalk him at his church house (down the road from mine a short bit) which I decided I didn't want to pursue it that bad. I'm pretty positive (although not 100%) that had I attempted this visit 70 or 80 years ago...even 15-20 years ago...it would likely have been successful.

I understand your feelings and wants. The reality is unless you can get the majority of the people to repent...or move to area with smaller government...you are stuck. Sometimes we have to do as Alma and pray that we might be strengthened, pray for the Lord's intervention (escape), and pray for the patience to go the distance until that intervention.

[Ezra]

If our government was a direct representation of the number of people that would be one thing. By the population came the representation due to the numbers they represent. But that's not the case. As the government grows. The representation becomes less and the controlling body more. Fbi cia nsa navy army Air Force police. All under the direct control of the government not the people. Sheriff dep if educated are on our side. But most are not as they can receive there funding from the government and most willingly accept that money and control.
The controlling body out of our direct control continues to grow while the the channels of our control diminish. The contitutional and governmental checks and balances have been eroded or changed all together.

The only thing I can see that will change things are 1 war. Or 2 stop paying taxes.

[Jason]

If our government was a direct representation of the number of people that would be one thing. By the population came the representation due to the numbers they represent. But that's not the case. As the government grows. The representation becomes less and the controlling body more. Fbi cia nsa navy army Air Force police. All under the direct control of the government not the people. Sheriff dep if educated are on our side. But most are not as they can receive there funding from the government and most willingly accept that money and control.
The controlling body out of our direct control continues to grow while the the channels of our control diminish. The contitutional and governmental checks and balances have been eroded or changed all together.

The only thing I can see that will change things are 1 war. Or 2 stop paying taxes.

Wholeheartedly agree that the government has changed and that the vast majority of changes have not been good. That said a large proportion if not all of those changes are the result of increasing wickedness of the people. Both at home and abroad.

Agree to disagree on your perspective for change. War has always increased the power and control of government (and in the worst case you lose and come under control of another different government). Stopping paying taxes just puts you in the microscope with all that comes with that.

[Ezra]

I'm talking war like as in revolutionary. And if all stopped paying taxes the government would fail and we could again bring it back to the way it should be.

Not paying taxes is easy. Simply don't make enough on paper to be taxed. I've done that for the last 8 years. Realty is a good one to do that with. Trusts are your friend as well. Makes you exempt from Obamacare as well.
D&c 98 we are to obey the laws of the land that are constitutional. Anything more or less cometh evil. Income tax is evil. I don't support it. I won't pay into the corruption. And I believe all changes made to gods created constitution have brought evil as well.

[Jason]

I'm talking war like as in revolutionary. And if all stopped paying taxes the government would fail and we could again bring it back to the way it should be.

Not paying taxes is easy. Simply don't make enough on paper to be taxed. I've done that for the last 8 years. Realty is a good one to do that with. Trusts are your friend as well. Makes you exempt from Obamacare as well.
D&c 98 we are to obey the laws of the land that are constitutional. Anything more or less cometh evil. Income tax is evil. I don't support it. I won't pay into the corruption. And I believe all changes made to gods created constitution have brought evil as well.

Agree to disagree. It would be like going to tribes before Jesus arrived and destroyed half the continent. A non-starter although perhaps better being under a completely wicked off the deep end king. But no real meaningful solution.

As to taxes...yeah if all stopped at the exact same time...perhaps. I think the common response from a wicked (self interest driven people) will be - you go first! And then your neighbor will be the first one to call the IRS who is now armed with shotguns.

More power to you!

For verily I say unto you, my law shall be kept on this land.

Let no man think he is ruler; but let God rule him that judgeth, according to the counsel of his own will, or, in other words, him that counseleth or sitteth upon the judgment seat.

Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land.

Wherefore, be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet.

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But behold, this land, said God, shall be a land of thine inheritance, and the Gentiles shall be blessed upon the land.
And this land shall be a land of liberty unto the Gentiles, and there shall be no kings upon the land, who shall raise up unto the Gentiles.
And I will fortify this land against all other nations.
And he that fighteth against Zion shall perish, saith God.
For he that raiseth up a king against me shall perish, for I, the Lord, the king of heaven, will be their king, and I will be a light unto them forever, that hear my words.
Wherefore, for this cause, that my covenants may be fulfilled which I have made unto the children of men, that I will do unto them while they are in the flesh, I must needs destroy the secret works of darkness, and of murders, and of abominations.
Wherefore, he that fighteth against Zion, both Jew and Gentile, both bond and free, both male and female, shall perish; for they are they who are the whore of all the earth; for they who are not for me are against me, saith our God.

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"All that you know now can scarcely be called a preface to the sermon that will be preached with fire and sword, tempests, earthquakes, hail, rain and fearful destruction. What matters the destruction of a few railway cars? You will hear of magnificent cities, now idolized by the people, sinking in the earth entombing its inhabitants. The sea will heave itself beyond its bounds, engulfing many cities. Famine will spread over the nation, and nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom, states against states, in our own country and in foreign lands."

Brigham Young - Modin, D.: & Comstock, Tamara: Prophecy 1973-2000; 1972, Hermes House

[Ezra]

Agree to disagree on what??

And I am within the law to do exactly what I'm doing. So is everyone.

[Jason]

Agree to disagree on what??

And I am within the law to do exactly what I'm doing. So is everyone.

Revolutionary war solving anything...I don't agree that will resolve the main concerns we have with our present government today. I think would just exacerbate the situation and make it worse. That's my problem(s) with the solutions proposed by "modern" libertarianism...take away the last vestiges of government control over money...and it would just empower the private money interests to further abuse us (for just one example).

Didn't say you weren't...said "more power to you" on not making enough money to pay taxes on.

The only real solution I see is massive repentance and adhering to God's commandments....if we do that first...the government issues will quickly resolve themselves.

[Ezra]

I think either man made or natural disasters will cause a revolutionary or civil war. It will be a nearly exterminating war. It will be gods way of humbling the people to return to him and his ways. Many prophets have foretold this. I don't fear it. It will happen for scriptures to come true. It's what needs to happen to prepare this people to live in a Zion society with the law of
Consecration.

I'm trying to prepare myself and family to be ready to live that life now. And help as many as I can to make it through the hard times ahead.

9/10th of the population died prior to the lord coming the first time to the American inhabitants in the scriptures. You can bet it will happen again prior to our lords second coming in preparation for that. And to follow the pattern in the scriptures.

Joseph smith said that our government will be nothing more then a potshard. Broken and unable to hold water. And that if the constitution is to be saved it will be by the elders of isrial. Ezra Taft benson expounded on that saying it would be those already anxiously engadge in a good cause who would do this. Those not waiting to be commanded in all things.

He encouraged us to know study and understand the constitution and the founders intent in its creation.

[Jason]

I think either man made or natural disasters will cause a revolutionary or civil war. It will be a nearly exterminating war. It will be gods way of humbling the people to return to him and his ways. Many prophets have foretold this. I don't fear it. It will happen for scriptures to come true. It's what needs to happen to prepare this people to live in a Zion society with the law of
Consecration.

I'm trying to prepare myself and family to be ready to live that life now. And help as many as I can to make it through the hard times ahead.

9/10th of the population died prior to the lord coming the first time to the American inhabitants in the scriptures. You can bet it will happen again prior to our lords second coming in preparation for that. And to follow the pattern in the scriptures.

Joseph smith said that our government will be nothing more then a potshard. Broken and unable to hold water. And that if the constitution is to be saved it will be by the elders of isrial. Ezra Taft benson expounded on that saying it would be those already anxiously engadge in a good cause who would do this. Those not waiting to be commanded in all things.

He encouraged us to know study and understand the constitution and the founders intent in its creation.

Don't know that I've ever seen prophecy on that....well at least post Civil War.

China will invade at some point.

Where do you get the numbers for 9/10th of the population being wiped out?

[Ezra]

I think either man made or natural disasters will cause a revolutionary or civil war. It will be a nearly exterminating war. It will be gods way of humbling the people to return to him and his ways. Many prophets have foretold this. I don't fear it. It will happen for scriptures to come true. It's what needs to happen to prepare this people to live in a Zion society with the law of
Consecration.

I'm trying to prepare myself and family to be ready to live that life now. And help as many as I can to make it through the hard times ahead.

9/10th of the population died prior to the lord coming the first time to the American inhabitants in the scriptures. You can bet it will happen again prior to our lords second coming in preparation for that. And to follow the pattern in the scriptures.

Joseph smith said that our government will be nothing more then a potshard. Broken and unable to hold water. And that if the constitution is to be saved it will be by the elders of isrial. Ezra Taft benson expounded on that saying it would be those already anxiously engadge in a good cause who would do this. Those not waiting to be commanded in all things.

He encouraged us to know study and understand the constitution and the founders intent in its creation.

Don't know that I've ever seen prophecy on that....well at least post Civil War.

China will invade at some point.

Where do you get the numbers for 9/10th of the population being wiped out?

Look up John Taylor's vision. 9/10ths Book of Mormon gives a very specific number of the amount of dead.