We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29, 45,

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Mark and Steve, as far as I'm concerned, are among the real gospel scholars on this site! Mark accuses us of ignoring the types and shadows Isaiah has left for us to understand. I submit we're not ignoring Isaiah, we're simply adding and comparing the types and shadows of Isaiah with those in the rest of our scripture. Myself, I love Isaiah, my favorite book in the OT. However, there are other types available to us that just might, if we give them a chance, help give us a much clearer picture of last days events.

Concerning Isaiah, we have this from Jacob;

The Prophet Jacob 2 Nephi 4

4 And now, behold, I would speak unto you concerning things which are, and which are to come wherefore, I will read you the words of Isaiah. And they are the words which my brother has desired that I should speak unto you. And I speak unto you for your sakes, that ye may learn and glorify the name of your God.

And this commandment from our Lord;

Our Lord 3 Nephi 23: 1-3

1 And now, behold, I say unto you, that ye ought to search these things. Yea, a commandment I give unto you that ye search these things diligently; for great are the words of Isaiah.
2 For surely he spake as touching all things concerning my people which are of the house of Israel; therefore it must needs be that he must speak also to the Gentiles.
3 And all things that he spake have been and shall be, even according to the words which he spake. ;

things which are, and which are to come--- have been and shall be , That's why we study Isaiah, looking at those events Isaiah was inspired to put in his writings so the scripturally informed would understand whats coming. Isaiah is confusing to most people for a reason, let us not be among the confused!

Steve suggests the same people responsible for 9/11 could also be responsible for an emp attack, perhaps he's correct! But if they do something like that then they had better be able to blame the attack on someone so there can be retaliation, because the scripturally and spiritually uninformed among us will demand retaliation.

I suggest it'll happen as the types in Helaman suggest, the murder of our “chief judge” as recorded in Helaman 7-8.

However it happens, the results will be the same! Riots will destroy the country. My belief is based on the drought and plagues mentioned as types and shadows ie, For a desolating sickness shall cover the land--- It's my opinion that after the murder, the riots, after the devastating drought, after the plague, those who are left will repent! I do not believe there'll be an invasion from outside our shores because of the commotion in the seas. There's a very important reason why we are so separated from the rest of the world.

It's also my opinion that all these will be seen as naturally occurring events by the wicked, the penitent will see them as punishment from God. Any event such as an emp attack will not be seen as punishment form God, but simply as an attack from an enemy, and retaliation will be demanded, and innocents will die.

Mark is sure the Assyrian army type will invade from communist lands, I think not, I think the Assyrian army type will be commanded by the king figure set up by our ldg's " in country" he will marshal an army from among millions of survivors to come after us for our food. They who started the whole mess and will lose control of the situation and be destroyed as the Midionites were destroyed by Our Lord commanding Gideon and his very small army.

Elder Maxwell referred to the problems confronted during the cleansing as; Fixed Principles amid Commotion:

And concerning the people in general; “They are without principle, and past feeling” (Moroni 9:20).
They are without principle," Moroni wrote. Without fixed principles and a clear destination, Nephi's metaphor of pressing forward amid "all these things" would give way to plodding persistence or mindless survival. But with gospel certitude his metaphor denotes a determined, zestful stride, even in those moments when there may seem to be nothing to be zestful about. Furthermore, in our day the striding forward "with a steadfastness in Christ" is to be accomplished amid the various expressions of how all things shall be in "commotion"in the world (see D&C 88:91; 2 Nephi 28:20). Much of this "commotion" may be geophysical, with earthquakes, seas heaving themselves beyond their bounds, and other such cataclysmic events. Disciples are also told, "When ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified; for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by" (Luke 21:9; see also D&C 45:26; 88:91).

91 And all things shall be in commotion; and surely, men's hearts shall fail them; for fear shall come upon all people.

By understanding types and shadows, by understanding the “fixed principals” amid all the commotion about to descend upon us, by our continued repentance, we will be delivered unto our salvation, I care not if in mortality or the Spirit World, we simply must be a prepared people, a scripturally educated people, a humble penitent people and no matter where we find ourselves we'll be fine and without fear.

Bob

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Good questions, Shadow. And excellent insights, Bob. Although I do not think the "seas in commotion" will prevent an invasion on American soil -- noting that the Chinese are ALREADY permitted to have autonomous/sovereign "Free Trade Zones" in the US. (One of these is outside Chandler, AZ -- as reported by one who knows several of the Chinese there; reported by him on another forum.)

Mark, you wrote:

" If the Assyrians do attack our land with an EMP and people automatically blame the attack on our own govt officials like Alex Jones most definitely will this would play right into the hands of this Assyrian enemy. "

You start out with an "IF" but then proceed as though this will be the case. (that only the Assyrians are the ones who will attack us.) I'm not willing to take that hypothetical as a basis.

Unless you are saying that the latter-day Gadiantons, the "evil schemers" who "oppress us with burdensome taxes" -- are in fact beyond suspicion in case of an EMP attack on the US. That no way would they do this to their "own people" -- e.g., to rather selectively remove the poor and the sick from the medicaid and soc-security rolls?

Is this what you are saying, Mark?

[Markcaptain of 1,000]

This has always been a major concern for me Doc. If the Assyrians do attack our land with an EMP and people automatically blame the attack on our own govt officials like Alex Jones most definitely will this would play right into the hands of this Assyrian enemy. They want to foment a sense of anarchy and internal strife and chaos which allows them to proceed with their mission without a unified force against them. This has always been one of their battle plans. I don't want to be used as a useful idiot for the cause of the destruction of my country.

What's your opinion on false flag events. Do you not think that a group in our own government would not employ an EMP for their own agenda? I don't know how we would immediately know.
My decision has been made that when the country falls apart by whatever means I'll lay low and follow the prophet. I won't be a "tool" to either party, the red beast or the whore. I'm not playing in their "arena".

This is where things get very blurred Shadowman. I have already said here that I strongly suspect Mr Obama to be totally compromised and working for the opposite side of liberty. I also see many in our current govt. and corporate leaderships to be pushing the communist/ marxist agenda forward. I see very little difference between now and when FDR and Truman had the likes of Bella Dodd, Harry Hopkins, Harry Dexter White and Alger Hiss in their inner circles of influence. The communists infiltrated our govt many years ago and continue to push forward public policy to this day. The cleansing is coming. I'm with you in staying out of the war between the beast and the whore. I prefer to align myself with the Bridegroom and spend my energies building His Kingdom. All these other players can take a giant leap off a short pier to hell.

[Markcaptain of 1,000]

Good questions, Shadow.

Mark, you wrote:

" If the Assyrians do attack our land with an EMP and people automatically blame the attack on our own govt officials like Alex Jones most definitely will this would play right into the hands of this Assyrian enemy. "

You start out with an "IF" but then proceed as though this will be the case. (that only the Assyrians are the ones who will attack us.) I'm not willing to take that hypothetical as a basis.

Unless you are saying that the latter-day Gadiantons, the "evil schemers" who "oppress us with burdensome taxes" -- are in fact beyond suspicion in case of an EMP attack on the US. That no way would they do this to their "own people."
Is this what you are saying, Mark?

The red beast and the Babylonian whore are 2 separate and distinct entities Doc. I prefer to characterize them as such. I do not believe that the players of both these combinations are all working together for one united purpose. The Assyrians and the Egyptians are not both on the same page when it comes to global control. Both have very different end goals in mind. Putin and Jintao are not planning a post war BBQ with western power brokers. Unless these same powerbrokers are on the spitfire with the bloated pig. In the end I believe Isaiah was clear in stating the Assyrians will prevail until that time when the Lords army is marshaled together .

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Actually, I don't think you answered my question, Mark. Clearly, the red Beast/Assyrians will prevail ULTIMATELY in a great battle, but that was not my question.

I'm asking about near-term (an EMP on the US might be milder, as I said, if from the Gadiantons) and specifically this: Would you say that the "evil schemers" who "oppress us with burdensome taxes" -- are in fact beyond suspicion in case of an EMP attack on the US?

[Markcaptain of 1,000]

Actually, I don't think you answered my question, Mark. Clearly, the red Beast/Assyrians will prevail ULTIMATELY in a great battle, but that was not my question.

I'm asking about near-term (an EMP on the US might be milder, as I said, if from the Gadiantons) and specifically this: Would you say that the "evil schemers" who "oppress us with burdensome taxes" -- are in fact beyond suspicion in case of an EMP attack on the US?

Frankly I don't think anyone is beyond suspicion Doc. There is so much intrigue going on throughout the globe that nothing would surprise me anymore. Bear in mind that I still believe communist operatives will play a big part in this type of attack on our shores. Now whether these communists are living in our country or are living thousands of miles away in far distant lands is anyones guess. We shall find out soon enough..

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Actually, I don't think you answered my question, Mark. Clearly, the red Beast/Assyrians will prevail ULTIMATELY in a great battle, but that was not my question.

I'm asking about near-term (an EMP on the US might be milder, as I said, if from the Gadiantons) and specifically this: Would you say that the "evil schemers" who "oppress us with burdensome taxes" -- are in fact beyond suspicion in case of an EMP attack on the US?

Frankly I don't think anyone is beyond suspicion Doc. There is so much intrigue going on throughout the globe that nothing would surprise me anymore. Bear in mind that I still believe communist operatives will play a big part in this type of attack on our shores. Now whether these communists are living in our country or are living thousands of miles away in far distant lands is anyones guess. We shall find out soon enough..

Thank you for answering, Mark -- we seem to be in agreement on this as well.

The latest ominous development in the departure from the inspired Constitutional constraints on government -- is the setting up of an "uber Congress", a special kommittee above Congress which will presumably make the recommendations/decisions that Congress finds so hard to make in these days of little accountability. It's all (or much) just for show... See http://www.zerohedge.com/news/ron-pauls ... r-congress

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of this deal is the “Super Congress” provision. This is nothing more than a way to disenfranchise the majority of Congress by denying them the chance for meaningful participation in the crucial areas of entitlement and tax reform. It cedes power to draft legislation to a special commission, hand-picked by the House and Senate leadership. The legislation produced by this commission will be fast-tracked, and Members will not have the opportunity to offer amendments. Approval of the recommendations of the “Super Congress” is tied to yet another debt ceiling increase. This guarantees that Members will face tremendous pressure to vote for whatever comes out of this commission-- even if it includes tax increases. This provision is an excellent way to keep spending decisions out of the reach of members who are not on board with the leadership's agenda.

Not to get this thread off track....but THIS is just lovely....peachy keen....

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Big things are happening. Perhaps we should consider bringing the Constitution into individual states

3 Nephi 7 -- what happened then, just prior to the Coming of Christ:

1 Now behold, I will show unto you that they did not establish a king over the land; but in this same year, yea, the thirtieth year, they [Gadiantons] did destroy upon the judgment-seat, yea, did murder the chief judge of the land. [Let's hope this does not happen!!]

2 And the people were divided one against another; and they did separate one from another into tribes, every man according to his family and his kindred and friends; and thus they did destroy the government of the land.

3 And every tribe did appoint a chief or a leader over them; and thus they became tribes and leaders of tribes.

4 Now behold, there was no man among them save he had much family and many kindreds and friends; therefore their tribes became exceedingly great.

Perhaps individual STATES would be better than a "Gadianton empire"?

August 14, 2011
Decentralization and Secession as a Viable Alternative to the Tyrannical Status Quo
Scott Lazarowitz
Activist Post

Because of the continuing fiascos in Washington; activists on the left and on the right, libertarians and socialists, will have to begin to face the fact that looking to the central planning elites in Washington for answers is futile . . . even counter-productive.

The debt ceiling will be raised for the 75th time since 1962, no real spending cuts will happen, taxes will again be raised, and happy days are here again for the politicians, the life-long bureaucrats, the industrial lobbyists and lawyers, and, especially, the Wall Street fat cats.

“Well, the next time they will implement their promised reforms,” say those who are still faithful in the central planning bureaucrats. But our chosen representatives do not fulfill their promises, and they never will. Sooner or later, we are going to have to face the reality that central planning is a promise that can never be kept.

I have been trying to get that message across, especially in my March 2010 prediction that the 2010 elections would be just another rearranging of deck chairs (and I was right).



But it appears that too many people just have blind faith in central planning and the fantasy that “reforming” an inherently flawed system could ever work.

Faith in central planning, despite all the destruction the U.S. government has wrought, is something that needs to be overcome.

Food activists have begun to understand the benefits of decentralization, as have those promoting the decentralizing of money and banking.

Many people are sympathetic to the idea of decentralization/state secession, similar to the corrections made in Eastern Europe in the early 1990s with the breakup of the Soviet Union. However, many people are unnecessarily concerned about their Social Security future, and with national security. And it has been a mistake to rely on the U.S. Supreme Court to ensure justice.

But in the long run, freedom and independence are far preferable to our current tyrannical centralization. Compromise is impossible.

First, we must confront the truth about Social Security, and ask whether a government-controlled, government-mandated retirement scheme even has any moral legitimacy, let alone whether it makes any economic sense.

People need to understand how they and future generations have been cheated by a government that takes your earnings and savings, and forces you to forfeit your right to control your own retirement future. Yes, these are distressing truths to many people, but if we can never get back what was stolen from us in our first several decades of adulthood, the people need to demand – at the very least – the restoration of their children and grandchildren’s right to keep what they earn and save.

Second, Americans need to let go of their faith in our constantly bumbling national security central planners. For a century now, our national security central planners have been corrupt, incompetent, warmongers, and imbeciles – anything but adept at keeping us safe.

If people actually think about it, they might then realize the absurdity in giving professional bureaucrats and politicians a monopoly on protecting a territory of thousands of square miles with a population of 300 million people from foreign aggression. Instead, what has happened is that such central planning rulers have used that monopolistic government and military apparatus to act aggressively against foreign nations, which is what has provoked the foreign nations to act against us, thus making us less safe.

And third, giving such a centralized bureaucracy a monopoly in ultimate judicial decision-making has not protected the people from injustice. Decisions by the Supreme Court have increasingly exemplified those of a banana republic. Most recently, the Supreme Court, in an 8-1 decision, backed the power of the police to break into the homes of innocents without a warrant and with impunity.

Moreover, such a powerful compulsory centralized bureaucracy has tended to attract the worst amongst us; those who are lacking in moral scruples. Of course giving such an agency the power to seize wealth and property from the people is bound to attract those who have no problem with coveting others’ wealth and property. And of course giving some people the privilege of being above the law, and the power to initiate acts of aggression against others, will attract those of an anti-social bent.

The distasteful reality is, as with the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, centralizing power and especially consolidating more power to the executive is destructive and dangerous. The U.S. has become increasingly totalitarian, with more centralized government control over the people -- from FDR’s New Deal and his stealing gold from Americans, the Federal Reserve and Richard Nixon’s closing the gold window, to more recently George W. Bush’s police state DHS, TSA and the retaliation from Bush and Obama’s aggressions overseas.

People need to face the reality of central planning’s destruction of America, and do what the states of the Soviet Union did: Not “reform” but abolish that central power altogether.

Activists who are serious in their intention of freeing themselves and their families and their progeny from the tyranny of the Washington Leviathan, should advocate that states secede and regain their independence and sovereignty that is their right to have.

No central government has any moral authority to compel any individual or groups of people to belong to any association which they did not voluntarily join.

With independent states and no central power, the people’s right to control their own retirement

savings and their medical matters would not be infringed, and neither would their right to bear arms. In the case of any one state in which a government violates such rights of its population, the people have the freedom to move to a better, freer state. Currently, with all Americans under the compulsory authority of the federal government, it is difficult or impossible for people even to actually move to a different country to escape from the U.S. government’s further intrusions and tyranny.

And with independent states and no central power, the people’s right to self-defense would not be usurped by such a central power. The people of the states would have the right to arm themselves, have militias and whatever weaponry they believe is necessary to protect them from foreign aggression.

With independent states and no central power, there would be little to no ability (or desire) for any one American state to deliberately act aggressively against and provoke foreigners.

And, economically, what would happen if we got rid of all the compulsory, monopolistic federal bureaucracies – the Federal Reserve, IRS, HHS, FDA, EPA, TSA and DHS to name just a few – and required that all people live under the rule of law and that no one individual or business receive any extra privileges from the State?

The people of the states would have the freedom to discover and make use of natural resources that exist within their own territories, and not be compelled to be “dependent on foreign oil.”

There would be no federal raw milk raids, no drug raids, and no S.W.A.T. teams breaking into homes and murdering people for student loan defaults. And no Big Farms would get any special privileges at the expense of smaller family farms.

And the people would have the freedom to do business with whatever medium of exchange suits them -- The Bernank be damned.

Americans need to have faith in the kind of free-market capitalism that raised the standard of living of all people of all walks of life.

The ruling class is expressing the same kind of fear-mongering with the debt ceiling issue that they expressed during the Wall Street Bailout fiasco, with the mainstream media acting as their obedient stenographers. This should be seen as yet another example of how self-serving the elites in Washington really are – Republicans as well as Democrats. Because the truth is, they will never make things better, only worse.

Among the painful truths of the day is that central planning doesn’t work... and it’s destroying America. We need to get rid of it.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

A video has just come to my attention tonight...

http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/224


Please listen to the audio and watch the movie, which seem to me to be directly in line with the subject of this thread.

Please let me know what you think!

If one were to trace the event in which the Gadiantons truly seized "sole management of the government" (Helaman 6), it could be argued that that event was the assassination of President JFK in 1963.

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

I haven't watched the video yet Doc - nor do I intend to at 1:30 in the morning - but I have wondered i the murder of Pahoran, son of Pahoran, followed by the murder of his brother Pacumeni did not correspond to JFK and Robert Kennedy (even though Robert did not succeed his brother to the "judgement seat")...look forward to watching this video tomorrow.

Not that timelines need to match exactly, but Pahoran was killed around 52 B.C., and this coming November will be 48 years since the JFK assassination. If the timelines DID happen to match, that would point to a 2015 Second Coming, though which appearance it is hard to say.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Wow, very interesting parallels with the Book of Mormon, O_I -- and we recall that President Benson said that Book will have many parallels with our day, in the decades leading up to the coming of the Savior. So True!

Hope you guys will all have a chance to look at this vid -- it is short, a few minutes:
http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/224

[mes5464captain of 1,000]

Hope you guys will all have a chance to look at this vid -- it is short, a few minutes:
http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/224

Wow! If this video is genuine, then it is very typical of what the Gadianton's would do. You can't trust the people sitting next to you. Not even family.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Hope you guys will all have a chance to look at this vid -- it is short, a few minutes:
http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/224

Wow! If this video is genuine, then it is very typical of what the Gadianton's would do. You can't trust the people sitting next to you. Not even family.

"For I will cause a great division to come among the people--"

Don't let that division come into your family Mes, work with them as you are able, keep your family together! The scripture quote is talking about the people of the country.

Bob

[mes5464captain of 1,000]

Wow, very interesting parallels with the Book of Mormon, O_I -- and we recall that President Benson said that Book will have many parallels with our day, in the decades leading up to the coming of the Savior. So True!

Hope you guys will all have a chance to look at this vid -- it is short, a few minutes:
http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/224

Don't forget what Pres. Hinkley said, that the BoM is as current as our daily newspaper.

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

Wow, very interesting parallels with the Book of Mormon, O_I -- and we recall that President Benson said that Book will have many parallels with our day, in the decades leading up to the coming of the Savior. So True!

Hope you guys will all have a chance to look at this vid -- it is short, a few minutes:
http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/224

Hey Doctor Jones and everyone,

I had watched the video and was thoroughly convinced. Then I was watching the raw Zapruder footage on Youtube and saw that the gun shape is actually the sunlight hitting the head of the person who is sitting by the driver. Very convincing illusion though - it took me several viewings to catch that.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Where is the raw Zapruder tape? and does it differ from the video we're talking about (ie, was this one retouched)?

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

Where is the raw Zapruder tape? and does it differ from the video we're talking about (ie, was this one retouched)?

I just looked on YouTube, Steve. I looked at a few different copies and they all showed the same thing...and I thought I was still seeing the gun in the drivers hand. What caught my attention was during one viewing I thought I saw the driver point the gun, then pull the gun back, then point it again at the time of firing. I paused the video at the first time the gun was pointing - the gun shape was actually sunlight striking the head of the passenger making the highlighted gun shape - it looks like the sunlight must have been passing thru tree branches or something...then at the point the gun is being pointed again - it is light hitting the passengers head, not a gun. I went back to the video you had linked and I stand by that. I don't believe there is a gun.

Look at frame 315. That tells the tale.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Yeh, that film has been around for a long time!

[davedancaptain of 1,000]

I think that Russia and China will EMP and nuclear first strike the US and then invade allied with Mexico and the Native Americans. Google "map of the divided states of america" to see how the US will be divided up.

Russia and China will be allied at first in a common goal to destroy the US but then like the Lamanites will be almost at immediate war with one another.

Joel 1-3: invasion of heathen armies who do not break their ranks
Revelation 18: Merchants stand afar off (foreign countries) and mourn the burning of Bablyon
Daniel 8: Kingdom of the goat split into 4 immediately after it breaks the 2 horns of the ram representing Iraq and Iran.
2 Nephi 15: Tearing down of the hedge and the wall of the vinyard on the fruitful hill
3 Nephi 7: Nephites wake up to the extent of the infiltration of the gadiatons into their government, lose faith, abandon their goverment, and separate into tribes.
3 Nephi 20-21:Remant of Jacob living among the Gentiles teareth them into pieces.

Pres. George Albert Smith Vision: Nuclear First Strike and Invasion after the inaugaration but before the election of the POTUS. Makes WW2 look like training exercize and Great Depression look like Sunday picnic. Saints will die like flies.

Denver Airport Mural: distressed mayan girl with quetzal bird over head (2012) reading from codex in the shape of Russia standing over dead Jaguar (US) with image of burning city in background. 3 coffins show dead African woman and dead white judeo-Christian girl. However, the native american in the middle coffin is not dead but has open white eyes meaning she is not bead but being born again as the Illuminati and Skull and Bones come from a coffin in their counterfit baptism/recruitment ritual.

[davedancaptain of 1,000]

But before a Chinese invasion, they got to break up the LDS. America cannot be ripe for distruction until it tries to get rid of God's people from among them.

HAARP could help trigger the Wasatch Fault
FEMA NLE 2011 Branson MO, simulated New Madrid EQ with DMORT mass fatality assistance.
FEMA has body bags, coffiins, mass morgue and immunization processing center in downtown SLC.
FEMA has huge mass cemeteries in Houston, Phoenix, and SoCal
FEMA is purchasing millions of MRE's
FEMA is now staffiing its emergency residential centers (FEMA camps)

NorthCOM assigns 1st Brigade 3rd Infantry Division, out of Fort Stewart, domestic humanitarian relief duties.

So, its not difficult to imagine what a bad EQ anywhere could bring: house-to-house search, forced relocation, gun confiscation, civil unrest, etc.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Where is the raw Zapruder tape? and does it differ from the video we're talking about (ie, was this one retouched)?

I just looked on YouTube, Steve. I looked at a few different copies and they all showed the same thing...and I thought I was still seeing the gun in the drivers hand. What caught my attention was during one viewing I thought I saw the driver point the gun, then pull the gun back, then point it again at the time of firing. I paused the video at the first time the gun was pointing - the gun shape was actually sunlight striking the head of the passenger making the highlighted gun shape - it looks like the sunlight must have been passing thru tree branches or something...then at the point the gun is being pointed again - it is light hitting the passengers head, not a gun. I went back to the video you had linked and I stand by that. I don't believe there is a gun.

Look at frame 315. That tells the tale.

OK -- I've looked at it again, and I think you're right. Thanks.

This email from a friend who sent out the link to the vid:

OK, so I googled video footage of JFK's assassination, and the idea that the driver of the limousine, Bill Greer, shot Pres. Kennedy is old, and there is good footage showing that the thing that looked like the gun is instead the sun glint of the other secret agent's hair, and you can see Greer's hands still on the bottom of the steering wheel. Note in this first one that when the image is stopped to show you the hair glint in the horrible frame where JFK's head is blown open, you can see the path of the bullet coming from above and to the right. No one points this out, but it's there as plain as day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DguBcLpW ... re=related

And here's a great one -- you have to scroll down to see the better and better views of this -- this one isn't a youtube, but as you scroll down you'll see the deal:

http://www.jfklancer.com/greer.html

So the driver didn't shoot Pres. Kennedy, but he was obviously shot from different angles, one being from behind and the other more in front of him, which threw him backwards.

Thanks for your comments, Davedan.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

BYU has invited to speak to the students and be honored - a list of "interesting" globalists:

Dick Cheney (to whom BYU awarded an honorary Doctoral Degree for Public Service in 2007!)
Condi Rice (earlier this year)
Zbigniew Brzezinski (sp?)
General Petraeus -- now the new head of the CIA
Brent Scowcroft
Senator Harry Reid

Have they invited any on the "other side"? namely, supporters of the Constitution and defense-only warfare?
Or is it all one-sided?

The students have asked pointed questions -- to their credit! -- when permitted. Such as the question to Petraeus regarding why the US troops allow/defend the poppy/opium crops in Afghanistan after all these years of occupation...

So we may ask the pointed questions at BYU as they continue to invite and promote these types -- heads up:

*

Dr. John Nagl, President, Center for a New American Security
September 22, 2011 at 7:30 PM


General Amos A. Jordan, Wheatley Senior Fellow
October 20, 2011 at 7:00 PM

*

R. James Woolsey, Former Director, CIA
November 3, 2011 at 7:00 PM

And if BYU invites ANY pro-Constitution/defensive-war-only speakers, please let me know!

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Still on travel, but would call your attention to the "Occupy Wall Street" movement that has continued, growing evidently, for the past few weeks. NYTimes article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/nyreg ... ml?_r=1&hp

A video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6KorAAq ... r_embedded

Declaration of the protesters includes support for "alternate forms of energy", which I also strongly support as you know:

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.



http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration- ... -york-city

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

I also notice the news blackout on this. The prpaganda services are certainly not going to let people know that large numbers of citizens are taking a stand against their government...

[durangoutcaptain of 1,000]

I also notice the news blackout on this. The prpaganda services are certainly not going to let people know that large numbers of citizens are taking a stand against their government...

No news blackout. Go to Drudge's site. This is his top story and he lists protests in Boston, LA, Chicago, Seattle and Denver too.

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

I also notice the news blackout on this. The prpaganda services are certainly not going to let people know that large numbers of citizens are taking a stand against their government...

No news blackout. Go to Drudge's site. This is his top story and he lists protests in Boston, LA, Chicago, Seattle and Denver too.

I am talking about the mainstream media.this stuff is not on ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, MSNBC...

Of COURSE the internet is the one source that is not completely under the gads control, that's why Net Neutrality is going into effect in the next few weeks. The gubmint can't have free speech on such a large scale, the internet is becoming to big of a threat to the propagandists.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Original Intent:

the internet is the one source that is not completely under the gads control, that's why Net Neutrality is going into effect in the next few weeks. The gubmint can't have free speech on such a large scale, the internet is becoming to big of a threat to the propagandists.

PLS explain how "Net Neutrality is going into effect in the next few weeks. " I've heard it discussed, don't know of any chess moves by the Gads in this arena...

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

I've been watching Fox, the movement is on Fox all the time! What are you guys watching??

Bob

[farfromhomecaptain of 50]

Thanks, Bob -- I watch very little TV, get most of my news via internet, some from the newspaper.
Jason's blipits are great!

Interesting article in the Independent (UK) today
states:

The number of people who believe conspiracy theories is staggering. According to various recent surveys, a third of Brits believe Princess Diana was murdered (a Daily Mail survey)... nearly half of all Americans do not believe global warming is man-made (a Yale University survey) and 84 per cent of them believe 9/11 was an inside job (a New York Times/CBS poll).

Can you imagine - 84% of Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job, and "nearly half of all Americans do not believe global warming is man-made"?

And note this cogent comment:

9/11 was the justification for the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan amongst other things. A rule of thumb that I follow is that if people in positions of authority make significant decisions that appear to be in conflict with obvious logic, then they are either grossly incompetent or have a hidden agenda. The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan have so far lasted ten years, cost hundreds of billions of dollars and have caused hundreds of thousands of predictable deaths. All of this is purportedly to prevent terrorist attacks from a group that supposedly consists of a few dozen people who could plan attacks from almost any location in the world. Judge for yourselves - gross incompetence or hidden agenda.