Ultimately, yes!
That is the whole point. This is why God who sees the end from the beginning was willing and did pay the full price for you,-- the price of a God, which is your true value.
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Ultimately, yes!
Nobody is saying that Jesus Christ isn’t equal with God, I’m saying YOU aren’t equal with God. You may hope that in the future you may become equal, but today you aren’t!6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
10 And it came to pass that it was for the space of many hours before Moses did again receive his natural strength like unto man; and he said unto himself: Now, for this cause I know that man is nothing, which thing I never had supposed.
9 And now, when Moses had said these words, Satan cried with a loud voice, and ranted upon the earth, and commanded, saying: I am the Only Begotten, worship me.
How do I translate it to math? Going back to set (group?) theory: when A is included or equal B, and B is included or equal A, then A = B. And this is coming from Lord Jesus Himself!! What it results in? "Father and I are one."
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Did you miss the instruction:
So Paul wanted all to have the same mind. Very good idea, and in perfect accord with the commandment:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
So Jesus seems to agree with Paul.Therefore, what manner of men ought ye to be? Verily I say unto you, even as I am.
(3 Nephi 27:27)
Yes. This only reaffirms what we are saying: Man is nothing without God. It is absolutely true.gclayjr wrote: ↑March 28th, 2017, 7:14 am Moses truly understood where he was in progression
Moses 1:10
10 And it came to pass that it was for the space of many hours before Moses did again receive his natural strength like unto man; and he said unto himself: Now, for this cause I know that man is nothing, which thing I never had supposed.
The problem with Lucifer was not that he wanted to be like God, (in fact we are commanded to be like God), the problem was he contradicted that commandment by his actions, because to be like God is to love all as self (because it is yourself).gclayjr wrote: ↑March 28th, 2017, 7:14 am There is however one who does believe he is God and the Saviour, or at least says he is
Moses 1:199 And now, when Moses had said these words, Satan cried with a loud voice, and ranted upon the earth, and commanded, saying: I am the Only Begotten, worship me.
Worshiping him involves following his instruction: "be perfect even as I, or your Father who is in heaven is perfect." (3 Nephi 12:48) That is the whole point. So He wants those circles overlapping. That is the purpose of the whole program. And being a God, a perfect being, he sees the end from the beginning, therefore he values and treats you as himself, and does unto you precisely the same as He would do to himself if he was in your shoes, because he IS in your shoes. This is the very reason for the commandment "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." (D&C 59:6) Because it IS yourself.gclayjr wrote: ↑March 28th, 2017, 7:14 am Mathematical
You keep referring to set theory as if you actually had a clue what it is:
How do I translate it to math? Going back to set (group?) theory: when A is included or equal B, and B is included or equal A, then A = B. And this is coming from Lord Jesus Himself!! What it results in? "Father and I are one."
When you repeatedly show your ignorance of set theory. Is this just a phrase you looked up?
Being included does NOT mean being equal. There are bazillions of Venn diagrams out there showing overlapping circles. The part that overlaps is the included part. The only way a set is equal to another is if the circles overlap in such a way that you cannot tell that there is more than one circle.
I would hope that a Venn diagram of God an me would have some overlap. But if I thought that a Venn Diagram of God and me would look like one circle, I would have my head so far up my… well you know ... that I couldn’t see the need for humbling myself and worshiping that great being out there who created me and the universe.
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We are all one, friend.
we without them cannot be made perfect; neither can they without us be made perfect. Neither can they nor we be made perfect without those who have died in the gospel also
(D&C 128:18)
I'm not sure whether you did not read or cannot understand my explanation of how completely you do not understand set theory. I do not think that explaining it again will clarify anything. I hope you have no plans on pursuing any mathematically related career!Worshiping him involves following his instruction: "be perfect even as I, or your Father who is in heaven is perfect." (3 Nephi 12:48) That is the whole point. So He wants those circles overlapping.
It would be hard for my my mom to be my mom without me...
All things are inseparably and most fundamentally connected. We are all a part of one great and indivisible whole. This one great whole is the ONE consciousness, the one self-awareness, the ONE Great I Am, and we all share it. One consciousness, but many minds; it moves the planets and shines the stars, and it gives life and existence to them all.
And because we all share one consciousness, we are all most profoundly and most fundamentally connected, and therefore whatsoever we do to anyone, we are actually and inescapably, and ultimately doing it to ourselves!
LoveIsTruth wrote: ↑March 28th, 2017, 9:16 amWe are all one, friend.
So Yes, you are nothing without anyone, especially without God.
we without them cannot be made perfect; neither can they without us be made perfect. Neither can they nor we be made perfect without those who have died in the gospel also
(D&C 128:18)
san_sani4 wrote: ↑March 28th, 2017, 10:50 amIt would be hard for my my mom to be my mom without me...
Jokes aside:
The main idea of this post is to show we wholeness, the oneness of all. The Earth, the Test, the "separation" of one from another - all of it is a grand illusion that many fall for. I do like it the way it is put in what LoveIsTruth is referring.
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Ultimately we are.
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Ha ha ha! =))
Wow! Brilliant, and exactly right! That is the "test" to see through the illusion!
Do you wear Birkenstocks? Do you burn Incense? Do you regularly consult with a Guru? Do you hug trees?gclayjr wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:43 amUltimately we are.Paul may want us to obtain the goal of having the same mind as God. That doesn't mean we have it now. Therefore, We are not equal to God
This is why God is doing all that he does. So ultimately the theorem is perfectly correct.
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It surely does. Math is the truth.
LDS has no monopoly on the truth, only on the keys of the priesthood.
14 And it came to pass that he did teach and minister unto the children of the multitude of whom hath been spoken, and he did loose their tongues, and they did speak unto their fathers great and marvelous things, even greater than he had revealed unto the people; and he loosed their tongues that they could utter.
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16 Behold, it came to pass on the morrow that the multitude gathered themselves together, and they both saw and heard these children; yea, even babes did open their mouths and utter marvelous things; and the things which they did utter were forbidden that there should not any man write them.
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18 And many of them saw and heard unspeakable things, which are not lawful to be written.
(3 Nephi 26:14,16, 18)
You do not know Christian doctrine. I can prove what it says from the scripture. Can you?gclayjr wrote: ↑March 28th, 2017, 11:33 amAll things are inseparably and most fundamentally connected. We are all a part of one great and indivisible whole. This one great whole is the ONE consciousness, the one self-awareness, the ONE Great I Am, and we all share it. One consciousness, but many minds; it moves the planets and shines the stars, and it gives life and existence to them all.
And because we all share one consciousness, we are all most profoundly and most fundamentally connected, and therefore whatsoever we do to anyone, we are actually and inescapably, and ultimately doing it to ourselves!
http://www.eternalliberty.info/the-law-of-justice/
It is cute. Goes well with San Francisco and flowers in the hair, but is quite contrary to either Christian or LDS doctrine.
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Agreed. However this is not what I am talking about. A child may not be able to tie his shoes, but in the eyes of a loving parent he has no less value than the parent. So is God. He sees the truth, the end from the beginning, the way things relay are. And he gave his life for you (and everyone), because in his correct view, you have the same value as himself. And He is right.
Thanks for your post."if ye are not one [or if ye do not understand that ye are one] ye are not mine." (D&C 38:27)
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Did you ever think why the law of Justice even exists?ason123 wrote: ↑March 28th, 2017, 12:11 pmIn regard to this article, I agree that we come from the same intelligence (God), and in harming others we do harm ourselves and will probably be made to feel how we made others feel at some point in the next life. This is because we have our agency and reap the consequences of our actions.
make sense only because of, and are directly derived from, the truth's I am talking about.I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one (D&C 93:3)
That is perfectly fine, but it is only a part of a truth. The whole truth is one level deeper.
God said:
The purpose of life is ONE, and it is joy.men are, that they might have joy. (2 Nephi 2:25)
Fair enough. Think about it. This is the purpose of this Forum after all.
He-he... good point, given we are all ONE, without regard if humans or not!
Is neither Christian nor LDS. It certainly explains why you lead off with some stupid equation that states that man is equal to God the father; a most satanic concept.All things are inseparably and most fundamentally connected. We are all a part of one great and indivisible whole. This one great whole is the ONE consciousness, the one self-awareness, the ONE Great I Am, and we all share it. One consciousness, but many minds; it moves the planets and shines the stars, and it gives life and existence to them all.
And because we all share one consciousness, we are all most profoundly and most fundamentally connected, and therefore whatsoever we do to anyone, we are actually and inescapably, and ultimately doing it to ourselves!
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I have no idea who that is. But I have a feeling that you would call Jesus himself a "fringe Mormon!"
Ha ha ha! Nice! When they call you Satan for promoting the doctrines of Christ, then you know you are on the right track!gclayjr wrote: ↑March 28th, 2017, 4:16 pmCertainly on this site, underneath the candy coating, are promoted ideas that are neither Christian, nor LDS doctrine.
for example again
Is neither Christian nor LDS. It certainly explains why you lead off with some stupid equation that states that man is equal to God the father; a most satanic concept.All things are inseparably and most fundamentally connected. We are all a part of one great and indivisible whole. This one great whole is the ONE consciousness, the one self-awareness, the ONE Great I Am, and we all share it. One consciousness, but many minds; it moves the planets and shines the stars, and it gives life and existence to them all.
And because we all share one consciousness, we are all most profoundly and most fundamentally connected, and therefore whatsoever we do to anyone, we are actually and inescapably, and ultimately doing it to ourselves!
It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
(Matthew 10:25)
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