1882 Oracle received by John Taylor about Celestial Marriage

[gclayjr]

jwharton,

mock
[mäk]
VERB

tease or laugh at in a scornful or contemptuous manner:
"he mocks them as Washington insiders"
synonyms: ridicule · jeer at · sneer at · deride · scorn · make fun of · [more]

ADJECTIVE

not authentic or real, but without the intention to deceive:
"a mock-Georgian red brick house" · [more]
synonyms: imitation · artificial · man-made · simulated · synthetic · [more]

NOUN

dated
an object of derision:
"he has become the mock of all his contemporaries"

Verb Adjective or noun?

For me, not verb. While I think you are a complete heretic. I only respond, because you seem to be artful enough with your BS to seduce some into believing it. I only hope that in pointing out the inconsistencies and failings of your arguments, that maybe I will shine a bit of light on the cesspool of what you believe that maybe someone who might have been tempted to buy into your dangerous heresy might have enough of an aha moment not to fall for it.

And I certainly am not laughing.. too serious and horrible for that

Adjective. Probably true, but that is what you create of yourself, not what we do to you.

Noun. This is obsolete. If it were true, I would not waste my time refuting your BS. So while I am not responsible, I guess I would be relieved if it were true.

So I guess Mock or not Mock comes from you... not us!


Regards,

George Clay

[jwharton]

Polygamy was turned off in the early 1900's. Saying it wasn't is apostate doctrine. Saying we need to hold our leaders accountable for that is apostate doctrine.

It was turned off for the Church. Nobody contests that.
The question is what was the "wise purpose" the Lord had in doing so?

Our leaders should be held accountable to the oracles of God and be removed according to "the programme" if they turn away from them or their duties. The President of the Church is subject to REMOVAL if they do not have integrity to the oracles. We get this doctrine on OD-1. READ IT please.

You are who keeps spouting the false doctrine that more or less implies our Church President if infallible and should be treated accordingly.

The ORACLES of GOD back me up on this.
The only backup you have is the precepts of men.

You know what I have faith in today...? That IF the president of this church goes off base that the LORD himself will remove him from office. That I have faith in!

He doesn't operate alone and has a quorum of men. This prevents one man from exercising dominion and becoming off base and also serves to uplift and support. I believe that if the prophet receives a revelation, that those in his quorum will equally be inspired of the revealtion and it's truthfulness.

We need not worry so much, the Lord is in control...not man.

Ok I'm gonna go off the rails for a second here and just toss out a thought I had the last time I read through the D&C while finishing Rough Stone Rolling....

Has anyone wondered if maybe Woodruff's statement about leading the church astray and removal from office was retroactively effective as well? If you read the histories published even by the church, it wasn't until polygamy was taught by Joseph Smith that he got in over his head. The circumstances that led to his death can be tied in nearly a straight line back to his preaching (in secret) the practice of polygamy. Even "Rough Stone Rolling" alludes to it, heavily. He even denied practicing it to his wife, and went out of his way to hide a lot of it from her. This whole "The Lord commanded me to do it.... but don't tell Emma" thing stinketh to me.

So there it is: what if preaching polygamy led to the Lord removing Joseph Smith from his position as President? What if polygamy was "not in the programme"?

I guess there's the other argument that he never preached it at all, nor practiced it, but I don't believe that. Too many witnesses. And please don't get me wrong - I love the prophet, have a strong testimony of the B of M, but simply can't wrap my head around his supposed desire to preach something in private that he couldn't even fully explain to his wife and went to great lengths to hide. I don't see The Lord wanting to drive His church into a ditch over something as confused, messy, and fatal as multiple wives (some of which were already married to other men). Joseph didn't raise any seed, like unto Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, nor did he re-establish a sustainable and essential principle for salvation by marrying other men's wives and hiding it from Emma. I can't imagine this being a principle of a "house of order".

Anyway, flame away now I guess. It's been sitting there for a few months, just thought I'd get that out there. :ymsick:

True oracles do not conflict so the problem you have with this theory is you would have to claim Joseph Smith Jr. was a fallen and false Prophet prior to when he received the oracle calling for the doctrine of plural marriage as an essential part of the Celestial Patriarchal Order.

You have to carefully delineate between the doctrines and policies the first-person oracles call for vs. the other stuff that is just Holy Ghost, at best, inspiration.

[jwharton]

I demand all mockery cease because if it doesn't what I am threatening is that I will place a seal upon your soul that will demand that this behavior be counted as a testimony against you in your day of judgment. While I am not in an office of authority above you, my priesthood is fully intact and you are not to mock anyone who has such authority. Think of this seal I will put on you as a lien against your eternal salvation that will have to be rectified or released before you are cleared for entrance into the Celestial Kingdom. You may scoff, but I have had the Spirit give me the authority to seal people to Babylon. I have done it before and I will do it again if I am moved upon by the Holy Ghost to do so. I'm patient, but that's because I do carry a big stick.

#:-s
Sure, the mockery is lame but so is an appeal to ones own priesthood authority being used to seal people to Babylon. Let people seal their own fate. No need to carry or threaten with your supposed big stick. Persuade some other way.

That is how a seal works Jeremy. My seal would act as a lien, which the Judge would have to validate.
And, it would only be their own foul actions that would give any authority for a judgment to be rendered.
Doing this just guarantees that this grievance I have will be drawn up and paid specific attention to.
Normally I'm happy to roll with things, but a point comes when I either stand up for myself or totally withdraw.
I'm just making sure they know that I'm not going to continue pissing around and putting up with their deliberate mockery.
I have every right to hold them accountable to conduct themselves with a certain level of basic human decency and respect.
So, if after a 3rd warning takes place and the deliberate mockery continues, I will see to it that they are accountable.
Of course there is the risk they will mock me all the more because demons would love to have any destroyed and they will prod them to continue.
Just know, I'm fully prepared to defend myself if it seems that this forum isn't going to apply sufficient moderation to curb it.

There's also the chance I will be banned for threatening to stand up for myself as well.
If this does in fact happen, the others who provoked it should be banned as well.
So, you all decide. I have drawn a line to say I've had it and I won't tolerate it any more.

[gclayjr]

IWriteStuff,

So there it is: what if preaching polygamy led to the Lord removing Joseph Smith from his position as President? What if polygamy was "not in the programme"?

Then why did he replace Joseph Smith with Brigham Young?

Doesn't look very consistent or logical!

Regards,


George Clay

[gclayjr]

IWriteStuff,

So there it is: what if preaching polygamy led to the Lord removing Joseph Smith from his position as President? What if polygamy was "not in the programme"?

Then why did he replace Joseph Smith with Brigham Young?

Doesn't look very consistent or logical!


Regards,

George Clay

[AI2.0]

My responses in red:

So you believe in that council of guys, and our leaders should be getting us back to polygamy or we should throw them out?

That's not doctrine. Those are practices, policies and procedures. The practice of polygamy, as a Celestial Law whenever required or mandated by God, is true doctrine. It's up to the Lord to decide when polygamy will be practiced again, and it's His decision on what to do with anyone, leader or not, who fights against the principle.

Lizzy, if you haven't read any false doctrine in jwharton's posts, you aren't reading them, so I'll spell out some of his teachings for you.

Jwharton preaches the false doctrine that the Prophet of the LDS church may be the president of the church but may not be the Lord's 'anointed' prophet--that these two things do not go hand in hand. Jwharton believes that Wilford Woodruff, Joseph F. Smith, down to Thomas S. Monson are not 'anointed' prophets and so the manifestos were not binding on the members of the church. He believes that Lorin Woolley was one of the Lord's 'anointed' prophets and so was able to pass the sealing power to other men and keep polygamy alive.

Jwharton believes the false doctrine that Pres. John Taylor set up a shadow priesthood organization, calling and setting apart men to work outside the LDS priesthood hierarchy to continue the practice of polygamy.

Jwharton preaches the false doctrine that the practice of polygamy cannot be ended by the prophet, but must always be practiced or the church is under condemnation.

He preaches the notion that the LDS church is under condemnation because we no longer practice polygamy and we excommunicate those who do. He preaches the false doctrine that polygamy is required and necessary for exaltation in the Celestial Kingdom and those of us who reject this belief are headed for perdition. He also preaches that church leaders who excommunicate polygamists are headed to perdition.

He also preaches the false doctrine that polygamy being ended and the end of living the united order put the church under condemnation. These may be practices involving doctrine, but he has made how they are practiced part of his doctrine.

So, Lizzy and Delight (who claims to be a lifelong member of the church)--do you think you can identify some false doctrine in his teachings?

If you responded because you feel he's being ganged up on or treated unkindly, then say so, but please don't ignore the fact that he IS preaching false doctrine.

You are butchering what I am attempting to communicate.No, I am simply explaining exactly what you teach.
When I have time, I'll attempt to help you get what I am saying for what I am trying to say.
Injecting in subtle shifts to what I am saying, whether intentional or not, is quite unhelpful.
This makes edification impossible and drives away the Spirit of Truth.I have the spirit of truth, when pondering on things, I often receive inspiration before I post and even feel it flowing as I type at times. I know what the spirit feels like and I know when I am receiving inspiration.
I want to be judged for what I am actually trying to say, not a contorted version of it.Then face up to what you are actually preaching. Yes, it sounds ugly in the cold light of reality, but I'm not misrepresenting you.
Please, give me the respect to at least be understood correctly.
Then, I'm sure you will yet have plenty to complain about.
But, where it goes from there is the question of whose position is supported by the written oracles and whose isn't.I'm sorry, but your position is supported by 'oracles' which are not in the LDS canon. We don't even know if they are real. We also know that they contradict the written canonized revelations which came later--the Manifestos, the scriptures which say that only one man on earth can hold the sealing power at a time(D&C 132) and the scriptures which make it clear that polygamy could be commanded or rescinded, by God (Jacob 2) and when it's not commanded IT IS AN ABOMINATION!

The difference here is who is holding fast to the Iron Rod, which is the Word of God, and who is in that large and spacious building that can only be seen to be without a foundation from holding fast to the Iron Rod, which is where I believe I am standing and am fully prepared to go the distance with all those who seem to be out of ammo, except for rude mocking.I am not mocking you. I am giving you the respect of actually challenging you rather than simply ignoring you or ridiculing you. It should also be evident to those reading these threads that the mockery and taunting and jeering is pretty much a one-way effort from youI have NEVER mocked, taunted or jeered you. I don't appreciate you claiming that I have. and your other alleged LDS exemplary Saints, but who in my eyes are a disgrace.I have no problem with my responses standing as a testimony at the judgment day and I certainly feel no disgrace in the defense of the prophets and the church these last 100 years.

I demand all mockery cease because if it doesn't what I am threatening is that I will place a seal upon your soul that will demand that this behavior be counted as a testimony against you in your day of judgment. Please, go ahead an do that. Frankly, I don't recognize your 'power' to do such a thing, but I am fully prepared to stand at the judgment seat of God and own every word I have written to you. And if you forget, I'll remind you on that day in the next life. I fully expect that the things I've written on the forum will be recalled to me when I stand before God and while some things I've said may cause me embarrassment or regret, my declarations in defense of the church and the prophets in ending the practice of polygamy--I stand by completely. My Great grandfather, Joseph F. Smith was responsible for the 2nd manifesto, and I defend his actions in this matter. He was the Lord's anointed prophet and was inspired to completely end this practice and was fully authorized as the Lord's prophet to excommunicate those who defied his priesthood authority. He held the sealing power and could revoke this practice, which he did. And when he revoked it, polygamy became an 'abomination', as it was in the days of the Prophet Jacob. While I am not in an office of authority above you, my priesthood is fully intact and you are not to mock anyone who has such authority.Just one thing you've obviously forgotten; D&C 121:36-37 Think of this seal I will put on you as a lien against your eternal salvation that will have to be rectified or released before you are cleared for entrance into the Celestial Kingdom.You have no authority over me. I am already qualified to enter the Celestial Kingdom because I was baptized by one who had the priesthood authority to do so and you have no authority to deny this to me. You may scoff, but I have had the Spirit give me the authority to seal people to Babylon.Sorry, but in my faith, I don't believe the spirit can give you authority to seal anyone to Babylon, so this doesn't work on me. It might work on those like Delight who apparently hang on your every word (now THAT was mocking, but I couldn't resist). I have done it before and I will do it again if I am moved upon by the Holy Ghost to do so. You have no authority over me, I don't recognize your priesthood or your right to pass judgment against me. I'm patient, but that's because I do carry a big stick.

Do you know why you've lost it, railing against me, condemning me to 'babylon' etc.--why you've reacted so harshly to me? Because I've exposed you and your duplicitous nature.

Your anger is a perfect example of 1 Nephi 16:2 '..the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center.'

[Mark]

So you believe in that council of guys, and our leaders should be getting us back to polygamy or we should throw them out?

That's not doctrine. Those are practices, policies and procedures. The practice of polygamy, as a Celestial Law whenever required or mandated by God, is true doctrine. It's up to the Lord to decide when polygamy will be practiced again, and it's His decision on what to do with anyone, leader or not, who fights against the principle.

Lizzy, if you haven't read any false doctrine in jwharton's posts, you aren't reading them, so I'll spell out some of his teachings for you.

Jwharton preaches the false doctrine that the Prophet of the LDS church may be the president of the church but may not be the Lord's 'anointed' prophet--that these two things do not go hand in hand. Jwharton believes that Wilford Woodruff, Joseph F. Smith, down to Thomas S. Monson are not 'anointed' prophets and so the manifestos were not binding on the members of the church. He believes that Lorin Woolley was one of the Lord's 'anointed' prophets and so was able to pass the sealing power to other men and keep polygamy alive.

Jwharton believes the false doctrine that Pres. John Taylor set up a shadow priesthood organization, calling and setting apart men to work outside the LDS priesthood hierarchy to continue the practice of polygamy.

Jwharton preaches the false doctrine that the practice of polygamy cannot be ended by the prophet, but must always be practiced or the church is under condemnation.

He preaches the notion that the LDS church is under condemnation because we no longer practice polygamy and we excommunicate those who do. He preaches the false doctrine that polygamy is required and necessary for exaltation in the Celestial Kingdom and those of us who reject this belief are headed for perdition. He also preaches that church leaders who excommunicate polygamists are headed to perdition.

He also preaches the false doctrine that polygamy being ended and the end of living the united order put the church under condemnation. These may be practices involving doctrine, but he has made how they are practiced part of his doctrine.

So, Lizzy and Delight (who claims to be a lifelong member of the church)--do you think you can identify some false doctrine in his teachings?

If you responded because you feel he's being ganged up on or treated unkindly, then say so, but please don't ignore the fact that he IS preaching false doctrine.

You are butchering what I am attempting to communicate.
When I have time, I'll attempt to help you get what I am saying for what I am trying to say.
Injecting in subtle shifts to what I am saying, whether intentional or not, is quite unhelpful.
This makes edification impossible and drives away the Spirit of Truth.
I want to be judged for what I am actually trying to say, not a contorted version of it.
Please, give me the respect to at least be understood correctly.
Then, I'm sure you will yet have plenty to complain about.
But, where it goes from there is the question of whose position is supported by the written oracles and whose isn't.

The difference here is who is holding fast to the Iron Rod, which is the Word of God, and who is in that large and spacious building that can only be seen to be without a foundation from holding fast to the Iron Rod, which is where I believe I am standing and am fully prepared to go the distance with all those who seem to be out of ammo, except for rude mocking. It should also be evident to those reading these threads that the mockery and taunting and jeering is pretty much a one-way effort from you and your other alleged LDS exemplary Saints, but who in my eyes are a disgrace.

I demand all mockery cease because if it doesn't what I am threatening is that I will place a seal upon your soul that will demand that this behavior be counted as a testimony against you in your day of judgment. While I am not in an office of authority above you, my priesthood is fully intact and you are not to mock anyone who has such authority. Think of this seal I will put on you as a lien against your eternal salvation that will have to be rectified or released before you are cleared for entrance into the Celestial Kingdom. You may scoff, but I have had the Spirit give me the authority to seal people to Babylon. I have done it before and I will do it again if I am moved upon by the Holy Ghost to do so. I'm patient, but that's because I do carry a big stick.

Seal away brother. While you are at it you can also make a voodoo doll with my name on it and throw darts at it every night before you retire. Maybe that will relax you a bit. You are wound tighter than a 2 dollar watch. Take a deep breath and go do something fun rather than continuing to post threatening damnation to souls on a loonie internet forum. :ymcowboy:

[gclayjr]

jwharton,

You can either continue with me in the Spirit of Truth and actually try to achieve mutual understanding or be quiet.

Apparently AI2.0, in fact , has more than 2 choices.

OK, I do think that things my be descending into mocking, but are you so clueless as to not see how you are now encouraging it?

To unbelievers, like AI2.0, Mark, Rewcox, and me, you look like a child pouting and looking between his thumb and forefinger as he wiggles them to squeeze our heads.

When you first started whining about people mocking you, you were just unable to take true rebuttals to your ridiculous arguments. Now you have descended into a childish tantrum. It is hard not to goad you when you make such ridiculous claims.

If I claimed to be a wizard, and people didn't believe me, then It would be natural for them to challenge me to "prove it"

Don't make any such claims unless you are prepared to "walk your talk:, instead of just whining!

or... expect the mocking to continue.

Regards,

George Clay

[Melissa]

My extreme desire with regard to plural marriage is to get the sword of vengeance to no longer be hanging over us for neglecting widows.
This is talked about by Moroni in Mormon chapter 8. He saw our day and the awful spiritual and temporal plight of widows.
When the Lord talks about a sword of vengeance hanging over our heads because we are giving widows the shaft, I do get very unsettled.

The interesting thing about widows is that many of them already remarry. Some to widowers and some to divorced men and some to men who've never been married. There's no shortage of single men.
Plus there are those widows who have no desire whatsoever to remarry.

Very true, there are men everywhere. We have no shortage from what I can see. People like to use the poor widow as a righteous reason to marry more than one woman. It's distasteful and a bit offensive the way some use this idea. Like women are somehow to be dictated what to do with their life or something like helpless children. Women are not stupid and can find someone if they want to.

[creator]

I demand all mockery cease because if it doesn't what I am threatening is that I will place a seal upon your soul that will demand that this behavior be counted as a testimony against you in your day of judgment. While I am not in an office of authority above you, my priesthood is fully intact and you are not to mock anyone who has such authority. Think of this seal I will put on you as a lien against your eternal salvation that will have to be rectified or released before you are cleared for entrance into the Celestial Kingdom. You may scoff, but I have had the Spirit give me the authority to seal people to Babylon. I have done it before and I will do it again if I am moved upon by the Holy Ghost to do so. I'm patient, but that's because I do carry a big stick.

This is NOT an appropriate way to communicate with others, especially if you expect anyone to take your message seriously.

[jwharton]

I demand all mockery cease because if it doesn't what I am threatening is that I will place a seal upon your soul that will demand that this behavior be counted as a testimony against you in your day of judgment. While I am not in an office of authority above you, my priesthood is fully intact and you are not to mock anyone who has such authority. Think of this seal I will put on you as a lien against your eternal salvation that will have to be rectified or released before you are cleared for entrance into the Celestial Kingdom. You may scoff, but I have had the Spirit give me the authority to seal people to Babylon. I have done it before and I will do it again if I am moved upon by the Holy Ghost to do so. I'm patient, but that's because I do carry a big stick.

This is NOT an appropriate way to communicate with others, especially if you expect anyone to take your message seriously.

Will you please take into consideration there has been a significant amount of provocation here?

[jwharton]

Seal away brother. While you are at it you can also make a voodoo doll with my name on it and throw darts at it every night before you retire. Maybe that will relax you a bit. You are wound tighter than a 2 dollar watch. Take a deep breath and go do something fun rather than continuing to post threatening damnation to souls on a loonie internet forum. :ymcowboy:

As I said, I demand to be treated with simple basic due respect as a son of God. Is that really too much to ask?

If Brian is willing to be involved and provide some discipline and guidance to the scoffers and mockers, I will happily withdraw any and all of my efforts to stand up for myself. He posted in this tread so I am going to assume, for the time being, he is going to make some efforts.

Think it through Mark.... my actions here are pretty logical, at least for someone who doesn't put up with disrespect.

If I feel like it is hopeless and I am just willing to give up anyway, what do I have to lose to attempt to sober things up some?

If you would like me to chill out a bit, STOP TREATING ME WITH SUCH CONTEMPT AND DISRESPECT.

If you believe my views are wrong, then lets talk about how they are right or wrong.

[jwharton]

jwharton,

You can either continue with me in the Spirit of Truth and actually try to achieve mutual understanding or be quiet.

Apparently AI2.0, in fact , has more than 2 choices.

Of course he has many things he can do.
Those are the two options that would also satisfy me.
If he could care less about my interests, then of course he can choose to continue to twist my words and mock me.

OK, I do think that things my be descending into mocking, but are you so clueless as to not see how you are now encouraging it?

Only in the same manner that Samuel the Lamanite encouraged Nephites to shoot arrows at him.

To unbelievers, like AI2.0, Mark, Rewcox, and me, you look like a child pouting and looking between his thumb and forefinger as he wiggles them to squeeze our heads.
When you first started whining about people mocking you, you were just unable to take true rebuttals to your ridiculous arguments. Now you have descended into a childish tantrum. It is hard not to goad you when you make such ridiculous claims.

I disagree. I want to get into the substance of things.

If I claimed to be a wizard, and people didn't believe me, then It would be natural for them to challenge me to "prove it"

Don't make any such claims unless you are prepared to "walk your talk:, instead of just whining!

or... expect the mocking to continue.

Regards,

George Clay

I wish to continue having dialog that is on-point.
I desire this because I know I can support the things you are mocking me about.
The reason the mocking of me starts is because it is your side that has no substantive response.

[jwharton]

People like to use the poor widow as a righteous reason to marry more than one woman. It's distasteful and a bit offensive the way some use this idea.

Please keep in mind, God's Law gives such women the OPTION to be received by a man as a plural wife.
It is the precepts of men that are dictating to those women who do wish to receive the benefit of God's Law that they CAN'T receive this benefit.

How do you think God feels about people making a provision of His law illegal?

The arrogance here is on the part of the world who forced the Manifesto or else they would destroy the Church.
And, the arrogance is now also on the part of those in the church who make no effort and hope no effort is made to open up this lawful provision to those who would like to opt for it.

I totally agree widows shouldn't be forced to do it, but it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to prevent those who wish to be a plural wife from doing so.

[jwharton]

I demand all mockery cease because if it doesn't what I am threatening is that I will place a seal upon your soul that will demand that this behavior be counted as a testimony against you in your day of judgment. While I am not in an office of authority above you, my priesthood is fully intact and you are not to mock anyone who has such authority. Think of this seal I will put on you as a lien against your eternal salvation that will have to be rectified or released before you are cleared for entrance into the Celestial Kingdom. You may scoff, but I have had the Spirit give me the authority to seal people to Babylon. I have done it before and I will do it again if I am moved upon by the Holy Ghost to do so. I'm patient, but that's because I do carry a big stick.

#:-s
Sure, the mockery is lame but so is an appeal to ones own priesthood authority being used to seal people to Babylon. Let people seal their own fate. No need to carry or threaten with your supposed big stick. Persuade some other way.

The case where some people were sealed up to Babylon is when an LDS couple gave verbal assurances of something to me but then turned around and took a legal advantage because some of our agreement was not written down on black and white. They hired a lawyer who didn't care about their verbal assurances to me and they just said I have no legal claim, but I certainly had a moral claim. I went to the bishop, whose wife is a dear friend to the wife I was having trouble with, and he said to just go get a lawyer and that he wanted no part of it.

The loss I incurred due to them breaking their assurance to me was at least $500,000. I was left entirely with no help at all. So, one day when I was praying and seeking revelation on what to do about it the Lord revealed to me that it was within my right to seal them up to the Babylon system they were using to defraud me. I was instructed to warn them and let them know what was happening. The scoffed at my warning but the Spirit instructed me to go ahead and do as I had been told to do. I sealed them up to Babylon and they won't be free of it until I am restored 100-fold for the loss they inflicted upon me.

So, I have been instructed to do such things before and if people revile me and I warn them enough and the continue to do so, I will do what the Spirit instructs me to do. It is the inhabitants of Zion that shall judge all things in Zion. Anybody here can think I'm nuts and insult me and think somehow you have derailed this conversation to your benefit. In the end it won't be seen that way. It will be seen that I was as patient as anyone should ever be expected to be and that those who preferred to mock and twist my words instead of just respectfully hear me out are the ones deserving of eternal contempt and shame. I know there is valid substance that backs up what I say and I'm willing to go to whatever level of depth someone wishes to go into order to search the matter out. That is holding onto the iron rod and that is what I have done and in having done this I have tasted of exceedingly good fruit, for the which I am the least bit ashamed.

So, you all can continue mocking me if that is what you feel the need to do, but I assure you, those who have exhibited a susceptibility to let these demons operate through you to do this, you are who shall indeed find the great and spacious building you are standing in, from my point of view, has no foundation. All of you have rejected the oracles and you mock and ridicule those who are determined to hold true to the Father's Plan. It hasn't changed and it won't ever change. If we think such then we are indeed under strong delusion and are believing a lie.

Thankfully there are still some people out there, like Delight, who are the original Mormon who just loves and wants the truth.